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Re: Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello Greg,

 

now, bare in mind I am not a web developer wiz myself.

 

However, the first thing that came to mind, have you tested the link with other browsers?

 

I see the descriptions reliably with Firefox 60.3 ESR and Google Chrome 72.0.3, the system is a Win 10 64 Bit.  

 

You might want to look into your website building tool of choice to find the answer to this issue.

 

Thanks and kind regards,

 

Bianka

 

 

 

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von greg@...
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2019 15:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

 

I am a photographer / content creator that specializes in panoramic imagery like you would find on Google Street View.  I use NVDA to test the accessibility of my projects.  Generally, these projects are based on a straight line array of thumbnails which each contain a tooltip giving a basic name for the corresponding panorama.  Sometimes, there is a combobox that lists categories or areas each, in turn, have there own array of panoramas....and thumbnails associated with them.  I am using Chrome 72.0 and Firefox 65.0 on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine....and, Microsoft Edge 44.177 on a 64 Bit Windows 10 Machine to test this link:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/degraynew/tour.html.  This is a virtual tour of DeGray Lake in Arkansas.
To be honest, there appears to be virtually no accessibility in this project most of the time.  But for some reason, sometimes the page will load and NVDA will first read the Combobox List, and then proceed to name all of the 150 or so thumbnail titles. It seems like that could be a good start to achieving some standard of accessibility, but I don't understand why it only does it every once in awhile.

I would be grateful for any feedback that anyone could give on how to improve the accessibility of this project and I would be even more grateful for information on how to tweak NVDA to get the best results.  For example, if I alternate between using the tab key and doing 1 mouse click in the screen, I can move one by one through the thumbnails which are all selectable.  Then, If I could get NVDA to read the tooltip associated with each thumbnail....I feel that I will have made some progress.  Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers, Reggie
--
Greg Hosler

www.photographyoptions.com

Greg@...

865-774-9755


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Devin Prater
 

With Jaws, it works great, but not with NVDA.

On Feb 13, 2019, at 9:09 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 07:36 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
threaded view in Outlook seems to be impossible to navigate with a screenreader.
In what way?   I teach my clients to use the threaded view in any e-mail client, including Outlook.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 
 


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 07:36 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
threaded view in Outlook seems to be impossible to navigate with a screenreader.
In what way?   I teach my clients to use the threaded view in any e-mail client, including Outlook.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

Cearbhall,

          It's not clear from what you've said whether you know this or not, but if, when you're actually reading a message, you can delete it from within the reading window with CTRL+D and you will still then be thrown back out to your message list on to the message or conversation which immediately followed it.

          This could save you a step.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Sorry Greg, but I have to ask, are you totally blind?
If so, how do you work in photography?
I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm genuinely curious.
NVDA will probably be the first one to have accessibility in this area, mostly because I'd bet good money no one ever thought to make photography websites or programs accessible.


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Gene
 

You can do such things with a Windows program, you would set them up in a different way.  I want to hear who a message is from and the subject so I've never tried to only hear the subject alone.  You can set the order of fields in the program.  If I had the subject line first, I could down arrow from message to message and hear the subject.  Then, I could down arrow again to hear the next subject.  If I had the person sending the message set as the next header, I could let the reading continue to hear the name and then down arrow to the next message.  I don't read mail by conversation but I'm confident someone can explain how to do the same thing as you do.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Molly, my favorite is Apple Mail on the Mac. I can “interact” with the table of coloumns of mail headers, from, to, subject, date ETC. In there, I can move right to “subject”, and move down the messages only hearing subject, which is what I do. I can select in this way, and hear only subject as I’m selecting.

Aditionally, when in conversations, all I have to do to get to the next message in the conversation is stop interacting, and press VOICEOVER+Right arrow to move to the next messages after the one I’m on. It makes reading mail a joy, and something I’ve never found in Windows mail clients.

On Feb 12, 2019, at 3:56 PM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

What’s your favorite email app 😊
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list
 

I wish I could love Outlook, I really do, but I've not found an efficient way of handling threaded emails yet at all. I mean, going from one email in a thread to another without having to go back into the inbox and choose the next message..  


On Feb 12, 2019, at 3:43 PM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

I totally use outlook. I love it 😀
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list
 
Dear all,
 
I was reading a discussion here in this forum where a jaws user complained that in NVDA you cannot filter columns in Outlook’s message list. Well, this is actually not true. This is not a screen reader setting, it is an outlook setting. If you go to view ribbon and then to advanced view settings and then to columns, you can add, remove and reorder columns as you like. You can remove the column which reports attachment, you can remove the cathegory column, the subject column etc.
 
Actually I can work with NVDA in a very efficient way just by using outlook’s settings efficiently. And this is the most important thing. A screen reader can be very efficient if you know the program you are working with and if you know all the settings that makes your live easier.
 
Best
Adriani
 
 



Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Devin Prater
 

Molly, my favorite is Apple Mail on the Mac. I can “interact” with the table of coloumns of mail headers, from, to, subject, date ETC. In there, I can move right to “subject”, and move down the messages only hearing subject, which is what I do. I can select in this way, and hear only subject as I’m selecting.

Aditionally, when in conversations, all I have to do to get to the next message in the conversation is stop interacting, and press VOICEOVER+Right arrow to move to the next messages after the one I’m on. It makes reading mail a joy, and something I’ve never found in Windows mail clients.

On Feb 12, 2019, at 3:56 PM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

What’s your favorite email app 😊
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list
 

I wish I could love Outlook, I really do, but I've not found an efficient way of handling threaded emails yet at all. I mean, going from one email in a thread to another without having to go back into the inbox and choose the next message..  


On Feb 12, 2019, at 3:43 PM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

I totally use outlook. I love it 😀
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list
 
Dear all,
 
I was reading a discussion here in this forum where a jaws user complained that in NVDA you cannot filter columns in Outlook’s message list. Well, this is actually not true. This is not a screen reader setting, it is an outlook setting. If you go to view ribbon and then to advanced view settings and then to columns, you can add, remove and reorder columns as you like. You can remove the column which reports attachment, you can remove the cathegory column, the subject column etc.
 
Actually I can work with NVDA in a very efficient way just by using outlook’s settings efficiently. And this is the most important thing. A screen reader can be very efficient if you know the program you are working with and if you know all the settings that makes your live easier.
 
Best
Adriani
 
 



row and column titles

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

NVDA+shift+r or c works fine if I only need a single column title. It does not work if I choose multiple columns. When I press that key command after selecting two or more columns it types the letter  r or c.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

greg@...
 

I am a photographer / content creator that specializes in panoramic imagery like you would find on Google Street View.  I use NVDA to test the accessibility of my projects.  Generally, these projects are based on a straight line array of thumbnails which each contain a tooltip giving a basic name for the corresponding panorama.  Sometimes, there is a combobox that lists categories or areas each, in turn, have there own array of panoramas....and thumbnails associated with them.  I am using Chrome 72.0 and Firefox 65.0 on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine....and, Microsoft Edge 44.177 on a 64 Bit Windows 10 Machine to test this link:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/degraynew/tour.html.  This is a virtual tour of DeGray Lake in Arkansas.
To be honest, there appears to be virtually no accessibility in this project most of the time.  But for some reason, sometimes the page will load and NVDA will first read the Combobox List, and then proceed to name all of the 150 or so thumbnail titles. It seems like that could be a good start to achieving some standard of accessibility, but I don't understand why it only does it every once in awhile.

I would be grateful for any feedback that anyone could give on how to improve the accessibility of this project and I would be even more grateful for information on how to tweak NVDA to get the best results.  For example, if I alternate between using the tab key and doing 1 mouse click in the screen, I can move one by one through the thumbnails which are all selectable.  Then, If I could get NVDA to read the tooltip associated with each thumbnail....I feel that I will have made some progress.  Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers, Reggie
--
Greg Hosler

www.photographyoptions.com

Greg@...

865-774-9755


Re: Hey dear NVDA users Quary about NVDA with excel.

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

This needs to be a little more clear. If you are speaking of a table in Word you go to the last cell and hit tab and it will create a new row. In Excel your last row is based on where you decide to stop. Since you have over a million rows this is up to you.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bianka Brankovic
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 2:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Hey dear NVDA users Quary about NVDA with excel.

 

Hello,

 

for me, this sounds like an Excel and not a screen reader issue.

 

How do you want to add the row at the end oft the document? What keys do you press/what do you do?

 

 

Thanks and kind regards,

 

Bianka

 

 

 

 


Re: ie unsafe dolphin users

molly the blind tech lover
 

I've never heard of dolphin before lol.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ie unsafe dolphin users

Dolpin is a screen reader. If your ranking screen readers it is usually
ranked as third.
I don't know mch about it besides it's supposedly not as good as job and
that it is commercial so you have to buy it.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Devin Prater
 

Office? I have personal.

On Feb 13, 2019, at 8:41 AM, Richard Wells <richwels@gmx.com> wrote:

I use the yearly plan. Also, there are two subscriptions: home and personal. We prefer home here, because we need several licenses for Office. Personal is less expensive, but you only get one license.

On 2/13/2019 8:33 AM, Chris Shook wrote:
Which plan would you recommend, monthly or Annually?



locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Richard Wells
 

I use the yearly plan. Also, there are two subscriptions: home and personal. We prefer home here, because we need several licenses for Office. Personal is less expensive, but you only get one license.

On 2/13/2019 8:33 AM, Chris Shook wrote:
Which plan would you recommend, monthly or Annually?


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Which plan would you recommend, monthly or Annually?


Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Steve Nutt
 

You can also purchase the CodeFactory voices from us at
http://www.comproom.co.uk, including the NVDA add-on.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 11 February 2019 03:37
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Just to make you all aware, you can purchase Vocalizer expressive oices from
CodeFactory and KobaSpeech.
The version from CodeFactory has the newer voices, but KobaSpeech is another
option of you don't want to purchase from CodeFactory.


Re: NVDA and office 365

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, they do. A subscription is no different to owning Office 2016.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 11 February 2019 03:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and office 365

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone had subscribed to Microsoft's office 365. If so, I
do the applications work with NVDA?
Thanks
Chris


Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

They are less in terms of quality.  Alex for example, is better quality in terms of not compressed than any MS voice.

 

MS voices are also more robotic.

 

Alex has a different problem, that of “mumbling”, so some words become less distinct.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 11 February 2019 03:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 09:25 PM, Devin Prater wrote:

Yes, you can get a few of the Windows 10 voices, but only on Windows Vista and above.

And this is problematic why, exactly?   I am endlessly amazed at the attitude that Microsoft is constantly supposed to be reaching back into the operating systems they have not been supporting for ages to give them features of the operating systems that didn't even exist at the time.

Anything before Windows 7 is, and should be from development and support perspectives, dead.  Windows 7 will be too, in just a bit over 10 months.

I also don't think that many of the OneCore voices are "lesser" than Apple's voices, either.  
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Molly, You for got a magnet.
While that won't kill it, it'll really mess up the monitor.
Well, I don't think it'll kill it.
I need to borrow someone's computer for a second. Any takers?


Re: ie unsafe dolphin users

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Dolpin is a screen reader. If your ranking screen readers it is usually ranked as third.
I don't know mch about it besides it's supposedly not as good as job and that it is commercial so you have to buy it.


Re: NVDA Chat Subgroup - It may now have a purpose!

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 03:48 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
As has been said here before efficient use of the software allows one to be picky on what they see so to speak without making others have to change their habits too much or in having to have sub groups which merely complicate the situation for the normal user.
This is true, and I have been one of the major proponents of same, having posted the following many times:

               Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io

 


That being said, other than the occasional side loops which are characteristic of any group, this is not a chat group.  Individuals treating it as if it's a private text messaging venue is not acceptable even if other members can mute topics, because the behavior is untenable to begin with.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back