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Re: how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I don't love pdf, but when my professors ship powerpoint, I'm usually in a hurry for the information.  So, I open the powerpoint and thump it to pdf using powerpoint's save as feature.  Then I get a heading structure and access to tables.

Best,

Erik

On February 13, 2019 3:34:32 PM "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again 😀

I need to access somepowerpoints  for school. How do I get NVDA to read them?

Thanks. And sorry if I’m asking a question that has already been answered.


Re: NVDA and power point

Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
 

Hi Chris, I normally press f5, try that and let us know how you get on.

Claire Potter
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On 13 Feb 2019, at 20:31, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:

Hi,
Can someone remind me how to switch to slide show view on power point using NVDA?




Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Kwork
 

In other words, as some could think I'm disagreeing with Nimer here, I'm not, and fully support what he just said.

On 2/13/2019 10:18 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
there is absolutely no difference in using the mouse with either screen reader running. In any case, this comparison between JAWS and NVDA is sort of pointless. If you have an NVDA question, please ask, otherwise let's try to refrain from bashing other products.

thanks.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11 AM Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
In my experience, NVDA is a lot better at using the mouse when the
screen reader is active.
With JAWS, the mouse can be trouble. According to some sighted people
I've asked for help, the mouse doesn't go where you want it to. At
least, that's the way it was about two years ago.





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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Kwork
 

If someone wants to ask something about the way NVDA does something compared to JAWS, and even give an example of how/why they feel JAWS did something better, I don't mind that at all as it's still informative. When people start bashing one screenreader to promote another, and I don't care which one, that's where I start to see a loss of respect. To me, that's part of flaming. Let's all keep it civil.

Travis

On 2/13/2019 10:18 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
there is absolutely no difference in using the mouse with either screen reader running. In any case, this comparison between JAWS and NVDA is sort of pointless. If you have an NVDA question, please ask, otherwise let's try to refrain from bashing other products.

thanks.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11 AM Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
In my experience, NVDA is a lot better at using the mouse when the
screen reader is active.
With JAWS, the mouse can be trouble. According to some sighted people
I've asked for help, the mouse doesn't go where you want it to. At
least, that's the way it was about two years ago.





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how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys, Molly here again 😀

I need to access somepowerpoints  for school. How do I get NVDA to read them?

Thanks. And sorry if I’m asking a question that has already been answered.


NVDA and power point

Chris Shook
 

Hi,
Can someone remind me how to switch to slide show view on power point using NVDA?


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Tony Malykh
 

Sorry for a typo, I meant:

In threaded view when you press up arrow and then down arrow, the cursor often times would not go back to the original position.

--Tony



On 2/13/2019 12:14 PM, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io wrote:

Here is the list of my complaints about threaded view in Outlook. I would be glad if you could teach me how to use it properly.


1. Biggest complaint. In threaded view when you press up arrow and then down arrow, the cursor often times would go back to the original position. After some sighted assistance I figured out that it seems to be intentionally skipping over some emails, that are visually displayed in different tone (I think lighter) and Outlook probably thinks they are not ads important when you arrow down through them, but not if you arrow up. Which makes this view ridiculously confusing to me. Because I alwayss assume that up and down arrows are the opposites of each other. But Outlook is trying to be smarter here, I would call it too smart. So, is there a way to make up and down arrows to work as expected, e.g. cancel out each other?

2. Is there a way to know what level in the tree view you're currently at? So far I have to guess based on the title and the author of the email.


I think if I could have these two questions answered, I would take my words back about threaded view in outlook being unusable.

Best

Tony


On 2/13/2019 7:15 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
With Jaws, it works great, but not with NVDA.
Again, in what way?   It's impossible to make suggestions of any kind when assertions are not specific as to what you can do with one that you cannot do with the other.
 
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Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Tony Malykh
 

Here is the list of my complaints about threaded view in Outlook. I would be glad if you could teach me how to use it properly.


1. Biggest complaint. In threaded view when you press up arrow and then down arrow, the cursor often times would go back to the original position. After some sighted assistance I figured out that it seems to be intentionally skipping over some emails, that are visually displayed in different tone (I think lighter) and Outlook probably thinks they are not ads important when you arrow down through them, but not if you arrow up. Which makes this view ridiculously confusing to me. Because I alwayss assume that up and down arrows are the opposites of each other. But Outlook is trying to be smarter here, I would call it too smart. So, is there a way to make up and down arrows to work as expected, e.g. cancel out each other?

2. Is there a way to know what level in the tree view you're currently at? So far I have to guess based on the title and the author of the email.


I think if I could have these two questions answered, I would take my words back about threaded view in outlook being unusable.

Best

Tony


On 2/13/2019 7:15 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
With Jaws, it works great, but not with NVDA.
Again, in what way?   It's impossible to make suggestions of any kind when assertions are not specific as to what you can do with one that you cannot do with the other.
 
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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 02:27 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
JAWS did not have capability to use the mouse
On this I just wish to be crystal clear:  JAWS did not, at one time, have mouse tracking where whatever happened to be under the mouse pointer as it was moved about the screen was announced.

A sighted assistant could still use the mouse as usual, and a blind or visually impaired user of JAWS still had access to the mouse emulation commands (or at least they have for a number of years now - I can't remember all the way back to JAWS 10 or earlier and I long ago ditched my documentation for the really old versions).
 
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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Chris Shook
 

I apologize for any offense.
All I'm saying was that Brian cleared things up when he said that years ago, JAWS did not have capability to use the mouse, but that the issue has since been fixed.
Also, it was good to have the point of view of someone not involved in the discussion. You and I both had different experiences.
Brian did not and offered a third perspective in the conversation.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 02:07 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
unbiased point of view
I wouldn't call it unbiased (though it probably is) but simply based on the fact that even when I'm tutoring individuals I still use the mouse extensively for efficiency's sake when I need to get something done to continue with my lesson.  Thus, I have tons of observational experience, and wanted to share it.

Nimer's report was correct, and I was not questioning it (not that I believe he thinks I was), but this is a case where who I am and what I do involves a lot of direct experience with both products and their behaviors.
 
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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Nimer Jaber
 

What the hell does that mean? An unbiased point of view? Does me answering your question twice up to now not answer your question? Man, I am irritated, maybe I'd better crawl back under my rock.


On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:07 PM Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
Thanks Brian.
It was good to have updated information from an unbiased point of view.





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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Chris Shook
 

Thanks Brian.
It was good to have updated information from an unbiased point of view.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 01:47 PM, Gene wrote:
But this is with a physical mouse and JAWS is being discussed with the JAWS cursor being used.  It may be that JAWS gives a better representation with the JAWS cursor and NVDA with the physical mouse.
Being the only (that I know of) sighted person here who routinely works with both JAWS and NVDA, I can safely assert that neither has any advantage/disadvantage with regard to how the actual mouse or mouse pad behaves when used by a sighted assistant.

At one time NVDA had what I considered to be a huge advantage with regard to the mouse tracking feature, which would announce what was under the mouse pointer if anyone moved it around the screen.  JAWS also supports that now.

Both are wonky, as far as a sighted user is concerned (and my clients, too), in how they implement mouse actions, particularly drag and drop.  Sometimes it seems to work precisely as expected, others not.  I generally discourage the use of mouse click simulation commands except where necessary, and simulated drag and drop unless it is the only way to accomplish something.  But that's just my way, others may differ.

I'd rather teach someone how to cover the mousepad, while preserving the left and right click hard buttons for actual use, or to prepare a regular mouse such that it cannot move the pointer, but that the click buttons and scroll wheel, if present, work.
 
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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Chris Shook
 

That feature is difficult to use when using the mouse pad on a laptop.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Gene
 

I think the subject needs to be clarified.  NVDA has a feature where a blind user can move a mouse and hear what is under the mouse.  JAWS didn't used to have such a feature.  Has it been added?  Whatever the case, it is of value for blind NVDA users to know that the announce while moving the physical mouse feature exists and it is for that reason that I sent a follow-up message.
 
I haven't used the feature but every now and then, I suspect I might be able to find something I can't otherwise.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

But this is with a physical mouse and JAWS is being discussed with the JAWS cursor being used.  It may be that JAWS gives a better representation with the JAWS cursor and NVDA with the physical mouse.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

I also find that NVDA works better with the mouse as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

In my experience, NVDA is a lot better at using the mouse when the screen
reader is active.
With JAWS, the mouse can be trouble. According to some sighted people I've
asked for help, the mouse doesn't go where you want it to. At least, that's
the way it was about two years ago.







Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Chris Shook
 

I was referring to the physical mouse in my previous statement.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Gene
 

But this is with a physical mouse and JAWS is being discussed with the JAWS cursor being used.  It may be that JAWS gives a better representation with the JAWS cursor and NVDA with the physical mouse.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

I also find that NVDA works better with the mouse as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

In my experience, NVDA is a lot better at using the mouse when the screen
reader is active.
With JAWS, the mouse can be trouble. According to some sighted people I've
asked for help, the mouse doesn't go where you want it to. At least, that's
the way it was about two years ago.







Re: Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

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Re: Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

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OK, I just used my arrow keys....and it worked for navigating through the combobox.  Each of those places in that list has about 10 or so panoramas associated with it....so if you click on one of the locations....like "Arlie Moore Campground." the focus then moves from that list to the first of a series of thumbnails which each have their own description.  Has anybody been able to select an item from the combobox....and then select each of the 10 or so thumbnails associated with the selected area....where NVDA speaks the description of the graphic in the thumbnail?"  Ideally, I would then want to have a key stroke to take NVDA back to the combobox so that the end user on NVDA could go back and forth between each area, hearing all of the stuff that is in the area.  Right now, my descriptions in the thumbs are basic....in most cases just repeating the name of the campground.  But if there is a way to hear the descriptions, I would program them to say stuff like: "arlie moore accessible shower house east,"  "arlie moore playground," "arlie moore B loop accessible campsite 1."
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