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Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

 

I've never downloaded anything from there. Actually I don't know how to deal with these apps and never found something/someone that could teach me it, so..
Hey, would you mind it if I write you off-list?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 14/02/2019 13:47, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

It would be awesome 😀

The app is called delight games. I downloaded it from  the windows app store.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

 

I'm not aware of such a feature in NVDA.
It would be pretty good, though. Someone may have already done the request regarding it, so let's hope this is an option coming soon ;)

Just out of curiosity, what's the program/app name?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 14/02/2019 13:21, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, molly here again.

Is there a way to label unlabeled buttons with NVDA? I downloaded an app and when I swipe using the touchscreen or navigate with the keyboard NVDA just says button, button.the app is a collection of text adventure games.  and while the game’s are accessible, the titles of the games in the games library  aren’t labeled.

Any help will be greatly appreciated 😊

Thanks.

 

Molly

 



Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

molly the blind tech lover
 

It would be awesome 😀

The app is called delight games. I downloaded it from  the windows app store.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

 

I'm not aware of such a feature in NVDA.
It would be pretty good, though. Someone may have already done the request regarding it, so let's hope this is an option coming soon ;)

Just out of curiosity, what's the program/app name?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 14/02/2019 13:21, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, molly here again.

Is there a way to label unlabeled buttons with NVDA? I downloaded an app and when I swipe using the touchscreen or navigate with the keyboard NVDA just says button, button.the app is a collection of text adventure games.  and while the game’s are accessible, the titles of the games in the games library  aren’t labeled.

Any help will be greatly appreciated 😊

Thanks.

 

Molly

 


Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

 

I'm not aware of such a feature in NVDA.
It would be pretty good, though. Someone may have already done the request regarding it, so let's hope this is an option coming soon ;)
Just out of curiosity, what's the program/app name?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 14/02/2019 13:21, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hey guys, molly here again.

Is there a way to label unlabeled buttons with NVDA? I downloaded an app and when I swipe using the touchscreen or navigate with the keyboard NVDA just says button, button.the app is a collection of text adventure games.  and while the game’s are accessible, the titles of the games in the games library  aren’t labeled.

Any help will be greatly appreciated 😊

Thanks.

 

Molly



Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 09:28 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
I am saying that JAWS gives a better verbal representation of the screen as
laid out visually.
I shall simply have to say that I disagree, and vehemently, with this.   As a sighted tutor for JAWS the way that JAWS interacts with the actual screen (and does not track where it is on the screen by default as it traverses the virtual buffer) makes it maddening for a sighted person trying to assist live.  You can be in a position that one would have to be visually scrolled way below what JAWS actually allows to stay on the screen and the sighted assistant has no idea whatsoever what it's working with.

Mind you, NVDA without using Focus Assist is not much better.   And, of course, for an actual screen reader user who cannot see the screen what is visually presented is completely irrelevant.

That being said, in the real world a blind user, particularly in an office/business setting, is frequently going to be collaborating with sighted people.  I have never understood why screen reader developers did/do not take that into account and make any screen reader software track on-screen what it's interacting with in the virtual buffer.  It doesn't matter whether that's of benefit to the blind user 99% of the time, it really needs to be there for practical reasons for interacting with those of us with sight who collaborate with screen reader users.

I can also say that the Focus Assist add-on is by far and away the best thing I've encountered not only for allowing a sighted person to know where the screen reader has focus, but also the kind of focus it has at the moment (which many won't understand, at least at first, but we can figure it out).
 
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is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys, molly here again.

Is there a way to label unlabeled buttons with NVDA? I downloaded an app and when I swipe using the touchscreen or navigate with the keyboard NVDA just says button, button.the app is a collection of text adventure games.  and while the game’s are accessible, the titles of the games in the games library  aren’t labeled.

Any help will be greatly appreciated 😊

Thanks.

 

Molly


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA. Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true. Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

Thanks so much for this.  It still doesn’t work too elegantly for a screen reader user to be honest.  It just says Unread for all of the messages, even though one may be read for example.

 

I would stick to no convo view to be honest for a blind screen reader user.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 13 February 2019 22:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

Tony,

            In regard to your biggest complaint, I may have an answer, or something that can help.  Outlook 2016, in default mode, has a 2-step expand for a conversation when it's collapsed, and it's meant to be a convenience but I can see how it might not be.  If you're on a collapsed conversation and right arrow once to expand it, the first level expansion will only show messages in the conversation that originated from a sender or senders other than you.  Your own responses are not included in level one expansion.  If you hit right arrow twice, the conversation is fully expanded with your own responses (which are actually in the Sent folder) shown embedded in their correct place(s) in the conversation.  In level two (full) expansion up and down arrows behave as you think they should.

             You may also find that tweaking the Conversation Settings may get you the results you wish, but I'm not sure what combination would suit you best.  That's for you to play with.  To change conversation view:

  1. ALT+V,CS   (View Ribbon, Conversation Settings)
  2. There are 4 options under here, each of which is a toggle, and I'll give the letter you'd hit to change the state (and the default state):

                    S Show messages from other folders [and see my note above about level 2 expansion]   Default:  ON
                    A Show senders above the subject     Default:  ON
                    X Always expand selected conversation    Default OFF    Note well - it's a selected conversation, not one you happen to be arrowing up or down over
                    I  Use classic indented view



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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Monte Single
 

No, I do not think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it;
Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true. Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Me too, I don’t disagree with Nimer.  So long as we stick to comparing features, or asking how to achieve Feature X on NVDA, I don’t have a problem with that.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: 13 February 2019 20:36
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

In other words, as some could think I'm disagreeing with Nimer here, I'm not, and fully support what he just said.

On 2/13/2019 10:18 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:

there is absolutely no difference in using the mouse with either screen reader running. In any case, this comparison between JAWS and NVDA is sort of pointless. If you have an NVDA question, please ask, otherwise let's try to refrain from bashing other products.

 

thanks.

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11 AM Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:

In my experience, NVDA is a lot better at using the mouse when the
screen reader is active.
With JAWS, the mouse can be trouble. According to some sighted people
I've asked for help, the mouse doesn't go where you want it to. At
least, that's the way it was about two years ago.




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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jean,

 

Yes, this is what I am saying.  If you are interacting with sighted people, then JAWS certainly gives a better verbal representation of the screen layout.  Object nav is not screen layout, and flat review is simply inaccurate in some apps.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 13 February 2019 18:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

But this is with a physical mouse and JAWS is being discussed with the JAWS cursor being used.  It may be that JAWS gives a better representation with the JAWS cursor and NVDA with the physical mouse.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:17 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I also find that NVDA works better with the mouse as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

In my experience, NVDA is a lot better at using the mouse when the screen
reader is active.
With JAWS, the mouse can be trouble. According to some sighted people I've
asked for help, the mouse doesn't go where you want it to. At least, that's
the way it was about two years ago.






Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

No, this is not true. Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

I don’t think comparing is bashing as you put it to be fair.  It is just learning from each other.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

there is absolutely no difference in using the mouse with either screen reader running. In any case, this comparison between JAWS and NVDA is sort of pointless. If you have an NVDA question, please ask, otherwise let's try to refrain from bashing other products.

 

thanks.

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11 AM Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:

In my experience, NVDA is a lot better at using the mouse when the
screen reader is active.
With JAWS, the mouse can be trouble. According to some sighted people
I've asked for help, the mouse doesn't go where you want it to. At
least, that's the way it was about two years ago.




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The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
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please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
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by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

This is nothing to do with what I am saying.

I am saying that JAWS gives a better verbal representation of the screen as
laid out visually.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

In my experience, NVDA is a lot better at using the mouse when the screen
reader is active.
With JAWS, the mouse can be trouble. According to some sighted people I've
asked for help, the mouse doesn't go where you want it to. At least, that's
the way it was about two years ago.


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Can you explain that?  I can’t get conversation view to work well in either screen reader.  I expand a thread, and then see all of the messages in that thread.  I can’t then close the thread.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: 13 February 2019 15:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

With Jaws, it works great, but not with NVDA.



On Feb 13, 2019, at 9:09 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 07:36 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

threaded view in Outlook seems to be impossible to navigate with a screenreader.

In what way?   I teach my clients to use the threaded view in any e-mail client, including Outlook.
 
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Alexa skills blueprints. My thoughts.

 

Because I'm getting older, I don't have time to code everything by hand. I tried the free, Alexa skills blueprint site, where non-coders can create skills and now publish them to the skill store, but sadly, it was not an accessible experience. I'm gonna try to get ahold of Peter korn to let him know that the development back end is not accessible, but Anyway... I tried to create my own queer disabled short story. My blog is also now available as a flash briefing skill, and that, at least, was very accessible.

If you just want to create a simple text story, with no sounds or expressions or pauses or interactive elements, then creating a story based on the fairy tale skill blueprint is very accessible. All the bells and whistles are housed in sometimes clickable links at the top of the edit window. When I tried to create a story about a horse, having the player input their name  and adding sounds, the pop out menus that were supposed to gain focus did not gain focus or even show up all the time, using NVDA. When a miracle happens, and these menus do show up in chrome and or FF, the choices are a giant list of clickable text, that plays when a user hits enter on it. Your selection will be the last sound you played. When you hear a sound, or an expression you want, hit the add button at the bottom of the 128 or 200 item list. Reviewing what you have written works sometime, and you can move sounds and stuff around by cutting and pasting as you would in a regular document, but it's pot luck if any of the menus open. You can monitize these skill blueprints, which is a nice touch.
I get that Peter is a busy guy, but I just wish Amazon would treat accessibility like Microsoft does. I'll be emailing Amazon today because this could be great for indie authors who have a patreon or similar.

By the way, my Patreon podcast will not be going on the Alexa Skill store, but if anybody wants my podcast on their Alexa, and you are a supporter, I can share a private link with you that will allow you to listen to the skill on your own Alexa.


Re: Starting a braillenote APEX WITH NDVA

Robert Geoffroy
 

Is there a definite connection with what I wrote and previously asked for?

Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de ( NAJAF . Naqvi )
Envoyé : jeudi 14 février 2019 12:45
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Starting a braillenote APEX WITH NDVA

hi nvda users im najaf

plase download link latest ver of nvda


On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 4:22 PM Robert Geoffroy <robert.geoffroy77@free.fr> wrote:


Thank you, Joseph, it works now, quite well!

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Joseph Lee
Envoyé : mardi 12 février 2019 16:41
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Starting a braillenote APEX WITH NDVA

Hi,
Depends on which connection you are using. If using USB, you need to install the USB serial driver from HumanWare, not the JAWS driver. If using Bluetooth, you need to pair and connect with the Apex while NVDA is running.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Starting a braillenote APEX WITH NDVA

Hi, everyone,

I can use my Apex with NVDA only if I have launched it with Jaws before I disable that one. How can I start my APEX directly when using NVDA? Does anyone know a way?

Thanks,

Robert

PS: I do enjoy Tyler Spivey’s add-on (reading of partial lines), hope you read my message!


Re: row and column titles

Adriani Botez
 

I understand the request for defining headers for a cell range at once. I agree that in simple tables you Need only one cell for Header but in complex tables this is not usual. See issue #5401 on Github for use cases.


Best
Adriani



Am Do., 14. Feb. 2019 um 00:56 Uhr schrieb Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>:

Normally you place the focus in the leftmost column you want row titles and press NVDA+control+c to set column headers (or topmost row with headers and press NVDA+control+r).

NVDA automatically treats any column to the right of that as having headers.  Doing it this way makes it a little tricker to understand but more flexible - if you have a table with several sets of column headers in different places in different rows for instance. (Or row headers in different columns etc).

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 1:59 AM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

NVDA+shift+r or c works fine if I only need a single column title. It does not work if I choose multiple columns. When I press that key command after selecting two or more columns it types the letter  r or c.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



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Re: Need help learning Braille

Robert Geoffroy
 

About contracted Braille, I just want to add my interest for NVDA started with the possibilité to read French, English, and German texts in contracted Braille, to very easily jump from one to another. Jaws doesn't alow that! Yes, NVDA is awesome!

Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Brian K. Lingard
Envoyé : jeudi 14 février 2019 12:38
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Need help learning Braille

Dear Gene, Sociohack & List:
Contracted Braille is what most books & magazines are published in. Has about 150 short form words, two—cell signs and single-cell signs.
For example in grade II the word braille is written as brl; knowledge is “k, the quote mark representing a dot-5 followed by the letter K. Just is the letter j by itself.
Braille Shorthand used by Stenographers IS WRITTEN on paper tape, one inch wide with the model J shorthand machine made by RNIB of England. It is rated at 140 words per minute. A friend has one who is a Chartered Shorthand Reporter. She tried to use her machine at 200 WPM, the speed at which a judge delivers a Jury Charge the court reporter must transcribe. Her poor machine rapidly had cogs and springs start flying from it as it was not built to handle this speed.

There is also Grade III Braille, with around 500 signs, , including short form words, two-cell signs and signs the writer can create on the fly to represent words they need to note with no existing sign.

It was originally used by University students to keep up with professors writing on blackboards, now is a curiosity. Some people learn it, love it, use it extensively amongst their blind friends who also know it.

Sort of like the Esperanto Language in this respect. Once you learn grade III, you appreciate how it packs your page full of text, with no composition signs such as capitals, italic indicators, just the number sign preceding a number.

It even contracts numbers! Very versatile code.
Alas, I know of no books or magazines published in this code.

There are contracted Braille codes for other languages, French & German are two.
Some languages have no contracted Braille, such as Traditional Chinese & Japanese.
I trust this explains what contracted Braille is.
Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: February 8, 2019 10:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help learning Braille

Paper Braille takes a lot of room so for that reason and also, I suspect, to speed up reading, there are lots of contractions for words and letters. There is a sign for the word "the," a sign for the word "and," the contraction for the word but is the letter b, as examples. There is an e r sign an a r sign, and an I n g sign, for examples of contractions of letter combinations.

Once you learn the alphabet, you can write all words in Braille just as you can write all words in print. I am discussing English that doesn't have accented letters. But depending on how you want to use Braille, you may well want to learn the contractions.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sociohack AC <mailto:acsociopath@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 7:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help learning Braille

Thank you guys for your encouragement! I would definitely initiate learning Braille as soon as possible. As many of you have suggested, even if I don't become proficient enough to read books, I would definitely be able to read notes and make presentations more efficiently. Also, I would like to clarify, many of you talked about contracted Braille. Is that similar to learning short hand for the sighted people?
Once again, thank you all for your feedback and support.
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I created my first slides in powerpoint with NVDA. It was quite fun. It seems creating them is a lot easier than trying to read one from my school’s website lol

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

 

Thank you so much. This is really excellent and very helpful.

 

Kind regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2019/02/13 10:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

A few years back i put together a tutorial on making a basic power point slide show  and what keys etc to use.

 

it will also depend how they have it set up automatic changing of slides or manual.

 

the tutorial is below and can also be found off my nvda tutorials for other programs page.

 

How to create a PowerPoint presentation with NVDA
When you open up PowerPoint it will automatically go to the first slide. This will open in slide view and this will be spoken out by NVDA. In the first slide, if you tab, you will hear the following: Subtitle placeholder and Centre Title placeholder.
If you press the Enter key on either of these options, an editable box will come up. Here, type in your text. When finished, press the Escape key, then tab to the next item and repeat the process (as in the first option given). Make sure after you have typed in your text to press the Escape key. Next, if you use the Tab key you will hear what is written in each section. You may also wish to add other items such as links, pictures or sounds etcetera to your presentation.
Adding extra slides
When you have finished creating your first slide, in most cases you will want to add extra slides to the presentation. To add another slide as you go use the New Slide (Ctrl + M) shortcut. When a new slide is added you will hear NVDA say slide 2 slide view.
This time when you use the Tab key you will hear NVDA say Title placeholder and Object placeholder. Repeat the steps as were done in slide one.
You will notice as you add extra slides NVDA will say the number of the slide.
To go between slides you have created
As you create your presentation the more slides you add you will hear the number of the slides go from number one to the number where you have finished your last slide (for example slide 20).
You can use the page up key to take you back through your presentation until you arrive back at slide one. If you use the page down key, you can go forwards through the presentation back to your last slide (for example slide 20). You might hear NVDA also say slide show complete.
To get quickly to the start of your PowerPoint presentation or to the end of it
To quickly get back to your first slide you can use the Home key. This will take you to the very first slide you created and you should hear the contents of the slide read out.  
To quickly get to the very last slide of your presentation you can use the End key. You should hear the name of the very last slide read out and its contents.
Using the F6 key to go between Windows
If you go back to your very first slide, then start pushing the F6 key, you will hear NVDA say the following: slide one slide view. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say status bar, ribbon tab home. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say slide one notes page multiline. Press the F6 key again and you will hear NVDA say thumbnail one of however many slides you have created. Press the F6 key again and you will be back to where you started.
Adding notes to your slides
If you would like to add a note to your presentation (on the slide that you are on), when you hear NVDA say slide notes page - type your note in here.
When you hear NVDA say thumb nails number one of whatever is your last slide, you can use your down and up arrow keys to go between each slide.
Watching the PowerPoint presentation you have created
To start your slide show, press the F5 key. This will start your PowerPoint presentation at the beginning of the PowerPoint you have created.
You can then either use the Enter key or the Spacebar to go to the next slide (from start to finish) of your PowerPoint. NVDA will read the slides from top to bottom. You will hear when your slide show is finished with NVDA saying PowerPoint complete at the end of the slide show.
The PowerPoint presentation can also be automated, so it changes slides at set intervals between slides. You may have to play around with the timing so the slide is not quicker than NVDA reading out the slide. To have a set interval between each slide that is the same use Alt + the letter K, then the letter I. When you hear the following read out this is the time between each slide 00:00.00. You can use the up and down arrow keys to adjust the time between each slide.  These will all be set to the same length of time you specified (for example 10 seconds) before it goes to the next slide.
Inserting a picture into your PowerPoint presentation
Whenever you insert pictures, graphs, etcetera into your PowerPoint presentation, please also add Alt text to the graphics in the slide at the same time. This way, when the screen reader comes to the picture, it will read out the Alt text in the graphic. This helps a blind or visually impaired student know what that picture/graphic is about. Alt text refers to alternate text.
To insert a picture into your slide show (on the current slide), press the Alt key + the letter N. Next, press the letter P, then the Enter key. A dialogue box will come up. You can tab and shift tab around it to locate your photo. In this area it will ask you what type of photo you want to insert (as in the format of the photo) and give you the option to find it on your computer or portable media. When you have located your picture, press the Enter key on it and that picture will be inserted into the slide show.
Next, use the application key and you will be given a selection of menus to arrow through. Arrow to the format picture menu, then press the Enter key. When the next screen comes up, you will be given quite a few options and might hear NVDA say Picture Corrections List. You will need to locate the Alt text menu. This might be a matter of arrowing right or left to get to the tab. You can also tab through the different sections there under the different menus.
Under the Alt text section, when you first tab, it will give you the option to give the picture a title. Enter in whatever you want to in this section (for example Dog playing in the snow). The next time you tab, it will let you put in a description about the photo (for example our house all covered in snow with the dog playing in the snow and children chucking snow balls at each other). Next, tab down to the close button then press the Enter key. Now, the Alt text is inserted into the photo you put into the PowerPoint presentation.
You will hear content placeholder when the alternative text in the picture is read out.
Switching between the slide and its accompanying notes
If you would like to switch between the slide and any accompanying notes (if any) you can use the following shortcut. Press Control + Shift + S to switch back and forth between the slide and its accompanying notes.
You must be watching your slide show to do this on each slide.
Adding notes to your presentation
When you are putting together your slide show presentation, there are a couple of ways you can get to the notes section. One is to use the F6 key until you hear NVDA say notes page. Here, enter in your notes, then use the F6 key to cycle you back to slide view.
The second way is to use a shortcut. The shortcut key to get to this section quickly is Alt + R, then C.  Now, type in your comment, and make sure the comment lines up with the slide.
Editing or reviewing each slide
When you are in slide view you can arrow down and up this section to each slide you have created. Locate the slide you want to edit then tab once until you hear NVDA say Centre Title placeholder. Next press the Enter key then an editable dialogue box will come up with whatever you had written in this section before. Make your changes, and press the Escape key. Now it will be updated with the new information you have edited or replaced.
Tab once more until you hear NVDA say Subtitle placeholder, then press the Enter key. Make your changes then press the Escape key and the new information will be updated.
Inserting a hyperlink into your Power Point presentation
From time to time you might want to put a hyperlink into your PowerPoint presentation (that might point to a resource on the internet).
To add a hyperlink into your presentation, work out where in the text you would like the hyperlink to be. For example, to visit the NVAccess website please go to and put your hyper link in here.
When you have found the right spot for the hyperlink to go on your slide, press the application key on your keyboard. When a context menu comes up, arrow until you hear NVDA say the menu that says hyperlink, then press the Enter key. It will ask you to put in the hyperlink address for example http://www.nvaccess.org Once done, tab to the ok button. Then press the Enter key. Now, your hyperlink will be in the slide where you put it.
The shortcut key to insert a hyperlink is Alt + N, then I. This will give you a whole heap of extra options such as (under the Hyperlink section)... Create a link to a Web page, a picture, an e-mail address, or a program.
It is a matter of tabbing through the sections given and adding the parts that you would like to put into your Power Point presentation.
Inserting a table into your slide
To insert a table into your slide, locate where you want it in your slide to be shown.
Next, press the Alt key + the letter N, then the letter T for table and press the Enter key. This is the shortcut key to insert a table into your slide.
You will now be given some options which you can tab through. There are plenty of options to choose from (going from 1x1 Table onwards). You can also use the Shift/Tab key to go back through the options given. If any of the other options suit you, press the Enter key on it.
Find the size of the table you want to put into the slide show then press the Enter key. Your table will now be inserted into your slide.
Turning on the reporting of tables when editing a table
Make sure you have the report tables check box checked under the document formatting section in NVDA; otherwise, you will have no idea of where you are in the table. To do this, use the NVDA key + the Ctrl key + the letter D to quickly get to the document formatting dialogue section within NVDA.
Putting in a customized sized table
There may be times when you want to put in a certain sized table (for example a 3 column by 2 row table).
To do a customized sized table (when you first go into the screen where it gives you a whole lot of options), you will hear NVDA say 1 times 1 table. Shift/tab a couple of times until you hear NVDA say insert table, then press the Enter key. Here you will be able to enter a custom number for your column and a custom number for your rows. Next, tab down to the ok button then press the Enter key, and your new table will be inserted into the PowerPoint slide.
If for any reason you are unsure where NVDA is focused, you can use the NVDA key + the Tab key so NVDA speaks the focused position.
Entering information into your table
You can now tab through the table you have inserted and enter your information into it.
The applications key can be used while in the table to give you other options. These include options such as: insert rows both above and below or insert columns both to the left or right; delete rows and delete columns; merge cells; split cells and select table.
After you have finished inserting information into your table, press the Escape key. You will need to go back to slide view and then play your PowerPoint presentation. You will now hear stuff read out to you from your table. Make sure you note (when entering information into your table) where each tab will take you.
Creating accessible PowerPoint presentations - Office Support
If you would like to know more about how to create an accessible PowerPoint presentation, you may find the following link from Microsoft useful https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Creating-accessible-PowerPoint-presentations-6f7772b2-2f33-4bd2-8ca7-dae3b2b3ef25
Shortcuts you may find useful
Please go to the following link to get shortcuts for PowerPoint 2010/2013, Office etcetera. https://www.dropbox.com/s/r0hc0ejv9whgsgs/Useful%20shortcuts.zip?dl=0



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On 14/02/2019 9:33 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again 😀

I need to access somepowerpoints  for school. How do I get NVDA to read them?

Thanks. And sorry if I’m asking a question that has already been answered.

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


 


Re: how do i get my NVDA to read powerpoints

molly the blind tech lover
 

It's just frustrating sometimes. I couldn't access the powerpoints in my last class either.

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Well surely that is their fault not yours, Over here in the UK reasonable adjustments would cover making stuff at least readable in the equality act.
Its not a lot to ask these days.
Brian

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Thanks.

Most of the pdf files are okay. Though I did have to tell NVDA to stop
saying clickable. But the textbook on blackboard are scanned and well… not
fun.



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Pdf is not to bad unless its a scanned image most of pdfs are ok.

If its not there are ways to get it, if you can email that pdf to yourself
in gmail, you can click the view as html and it will do so and you can save
that I think.

It won't be tabled just a single column of text but it can be done.





On 14/02/2019 9:53 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

I don't love pdf, but when my professors ship powerpoint, I'm usually in a
hurry for the information. So, I open the powerpoint and thump it to pdf
using powerpoint's save as feature. Then I get a heading structure and
access to tables.

Best,

Erik

On February 13, 2019 3:34:32 PM "molly the blind tech lover"
<mailto:brainardmolly@gmail.com> <brainardmolly@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here again 😀

I need to access somepowerpoints for school. How do I get NVDA to read
them?

Thanks. And sorry if I’m asking a question that has already been answered.