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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

I’m sorry I have to disagree with one thing you said, whether you’re sighted or not.  You said:-

 

Mind you, NVDA without using Focus Assist is not much better.   And, of course, for an actual screen reader user who cannot see the screen what is visually presented is completely irrelevant.

 

This is of course, complete nonsense.  When you interact with support staff on a piece of software which is not access related, you often need visual cues if you can’t see the screen.  I am totally blind.

 

All the best


Steve

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 14 February 2019 15:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 09:28 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:

I am saying that JAWS gives a better verbal representation of the screen as
laid out visually.

I shall simply have to say that I disagree, and vehemently, with this.   As a sighted tutor for JAWS the way that JAWS interacts with the actual screen (and does not track where it is on the screen by default as it traverses the virtual buffer) makes it maddening for a sighted person trying to assist live.  You can be in a position that one would have to be visually scrolled way below what JAWS actually allows to stay on the screen and the sighted assistant has no idea whatsoever what it's working with.

Mind you, NVDA without using Focus Assist is not much better.   And, of course, for an actual screen reader user who cannot see the screen what is visually presented is completely irrelevant.

That being said, in the real world a blind user, particularly in an office/business setting, is frequently going to be collaborating with sighted people.  I have never understood why screen reader developers did/do not take that into account and make any screen reader software track on-screen what it's interacting with in the virtual buffer.  It doesn't matter whether that's of benefit to the blind user 99% of the time, it really needs to be there for practical reasons for interacting with those of us with sight who collaborate with screen reader users.

I can also say that the Focus Assist add-on is by far and away the best thing I've encountered not only for allowing a sighted person to know where the screen reader has focus, but also the kind of focus it has at the moment (which many won't understand, at least at first, but we can figure it out).
 
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ITunes and NVDA

Ján Kulik
 

Hi all, does anyone use your iTunes on a computer with an NVDA reader? NVDA just does not announce any offers after the ALTm slider or iTunes version information. Unfortunately, I recently installed it.
 
Thank you for your answers.
Greetings from Slovakia


NVDA with office 2019

特種兵
 

hi all

  I know office 365 and office 2016 with NVDA is accessible.
  Microsoft update office to 2019 on 2018/10
  How about office 2019 with NVDA is still accessible?
  My os is win10 and NVDA 2018.4.1 and NVDA
  thanks for any advis.



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Instances of redundancy

Felix G.
 

Hi!
I am noticing that, when typing into the Youtube search field, for
every character I type, NVDA will repeat the name of the search field
followed by its current contents.
Also, in Chrome's address bar, when an automatic suggestion is
detected, that same auto suggestion is repeated every time I type an
additional character still matching the same suggestion.
Over time I find my concentration suffers when my audio input is
overloaded with all that stuttering. Is there a constellation of
settings which would minimize that kind of redundancy while still
keeping track of changes? I've experimented with the document and
browse mode settings but haven't come up with anything useful thus
far.
In addition, I am noticing that in colsole windows, the same text is
often spoken multiple times, even if both character and word echo are
turned off. It sounds a bit like this:
Peter, Paul and. Peter, Paul and Mary were sitting. Sitting in the.
Sitting in the kitchen.
As a programmer I need to be sure what my console is doing or not
doing. Is there a way to make this behave reliably in this most basic
of scenarios? I wouldn't be complaining if this were a complex gui,
but we're talking about simple text-mode console here.
All the best, looking forward to everyone's friendly advice,
Felix


Re: NVDA and sounds

 

Actually with the power of the cpus we have, thats probably not such a bad issue.

Of course, the cost would be in the hardware.

Fringerprint scanners in all the keyboards, mice, buttons, etc that would cost.

But we have face recognition, eventually we will have dna id so yeah its probably more than likely with a conventional os even.



On 15/02/2019 4:50 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

These days, it would be trivial to make such a secure os.

Simply put fingerprint scanners into all of the keycaps, and into the mouse buttons.  That way, as long as your fingers are the ones on the keyboard, it's a pretty good bet that it's you doing the typing.  Obviously, since you're checking eight fingers instead of one, you could easily speed up the fingerprint identification time, because you wouldn't have to have a 100 percent match on every single finger, just a 80 percent match (or so) on all eight fingers.  If they all match, then it's unlikely it's someone else using your keyboard.  Of course, the mouse is a different story, that one would have to be either a three button mouse, with all three buttons needing to be covered, or perhaps a 100 percent match with the button you're clicking.  Either way, the secure os is definitely a possibility, even if it does need a as of yet nonexistent keyboard/mouse combo. 

Now, who knows how to patent an idea?


On 2/14/2019 7:47 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Wow, I got curious about this "secure system". What's the name of it, can you tell me so I can look for more info on this matter? Just for fun, curiosity, you know.
Getting back to sounds, I'll just say that I tried everything that I could to get back my Firefox sounds while you seem to don't like yours. Ironic, isn't it? LOL
By the way, is there a way to  really get back the old sounds from the classic versions of Firefox?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 14/02/2019 18:27, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
You know this brings me right back to university in my os class.

We were talking about security and all the hacking of late and someone asked if there was such a thing as a secure os.

Surprisingly, there was, but every action, needed a password, when you hit enter on anything you needed to varify it was you doing it.

The users didn't like it, it didn't go anywhere.

Back to sounds, I don't think you would like it if everything had a sound.

I had something like this on google chrome once.

In waterfox, nav sounds happen whenever pages move, complete, you type, or do things.

I don't need all those annoying noises download complete, nav start, popups, a few notifications.

Now I guess nav complete and a few others if you were on dialup would be nice but really.

I think you would get really annoyed if every action you pushed resulted in a beep from the pc.

Especially with how some soundcards process stuff.

For example, on my entertainment workstation due to its really mega power, the sound drivers filter the amp.

On headphones you get full power but on speakers its filtered.

Thats fine to play music, or speech, but you start putting more than 1-2 sounds at once you start having issues.

Now I do have some cards without that restriction.

And the reason they have such a restriction on the internals crappy that it may get at times is if you play it raw without some adjustments to the sound or volume, it really doesn't sound good and could damage your ears or the hardware.

Now it can be done, you may be able to run speech like that, but may not other things.

Sounds may have different volumes, some stuff can be louder than speech, I have seen my music be overwealmed by the speech and vice versa.

In fact its more the other way round.

Now if you had different things going through different cards and better still different speakers that would be fine but still.

Point is I wouldn't unnecesarily have sounds playing that could conflict with other sounds.

So for example while I am doing serious work I don't play music, if I do, I turn it down so it doesn't interfier with my sound.

That means I don't usually hear it and with the powerfull box I have now the sound cutouts trip so I need to plug it to a speaker anyway.

If I listen to a podcast or something, the idea is to focus solely on that audio without interuption at least I have always found it better.

Now for a while before sound cards got chipped to boards you were able to get away with a few of these things but I have had users blow their cards, and or speakers as a result of running to many things, I have friends blow their ears etc just by running to many things even though volume wasn't particularly loud.

On the later chipped systems till 2013 when they started tieing it to display cards you could still get away with it.

In fact on win7, you probably could get away with most of this sort of thing.

Win10 isn't going to get you like that.

There are some things it simply won't let you do out of design or safety or something.

Certain things that go against bits of its security or quality rules.

There are vary few things that it outright refuses without a lot of doodling about but well its just not a good idea.

Now in the case of sound if you want to risk it, you can probably get away with well not using your linked drivers and just a ms driver, but as long as you never need headphones or need to use anything bar internal speakers and even then, you may or may not be ok, you take the risk.

Now if you happen to be on a standard non powerfull entertainment workstation that needs enhancements due to crappy sound output you may be fine, you may even get away with it but I wouldn't.


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: In-Process 8th February

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

You can also discuss this problem with me as well. I might have some ideas on solutions.

On 2/14/2019 11:45 AM, zahra wrote:
hi brian.
thanks for your understanding.
yes, iran is under sanctions of usa and some other countries, but not
because of nucler weapon, but because of its peaceful activity!
sanctions made many problems for me in using technology.
for example: i wish to donate to nvda, but cant, wish certification
degree but cant,
wish that can use libreoffice like microsoft office, but i cant pay
the money and cant use office program and most websites dont accept my
articles, because i write them in notepad plus plus!
going to another country is not possible for me.
is it possible for you emailing off list and discoss this subject more?
thanks again, God bless you!

On 2/14/19, Brian K. Lingard <bkl@...> wrote:
Dear Zahra & List:
You may use the NVDA manual and other documents as study guides before
writing the certification test. If you pass, this is great news. If you do
not, note the answers you got right and research the ones you did not get
correct. Then when you may rewrite the certification test, do so. Your score
will likely improve a lot.

I believe Iran is under USA and United Nations sanctions to do with the
Government's alleged nuclear weapons program, not permitting other
currencies to be traded for Iranian banknotes.
If you pass the certification test, and are able to travel to another land
not subject to financial sanctions, then I expect you could pay for your
certificate of proficiency at that time.

In the meanwhile, you are still qualified, so may train others in English &
Farcie and perhaps Arabic, in the use of NVDA. NVDA will be able to attest
to you having passed their certification, although at present, you are
unable to pay for the certificate.

You can also transliterate the NVDA documentation, together with your own
notes to augment it, into Farce and perhaps Arabic.
At least I trust this is how you can proceed.

Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zahra
Sent: February 7, 2019 11:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process 8th February

hi again.
I wish to be in the list of certificate people.
but what can I do when we can't pay in Iran?
On 2/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi Zahra,

You can complete the test for free, but if you pass and wish to be
listed on the certification page, you need to purchase the certificate.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 2:39 PM Zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi Quentin.
I really wished to participate in your certification test.
but it's not free and also, you have some commercial books which we
should have for test for test which is not possible buying them from
Iran!
what should I do in this case?
4
On 2/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process features an interview with the NVDA
Certified
Expert
who received our 100th certification, as well as some handy
keystrokes to find where the focus is. Thanks to the conversation
on here which
prompted
that piece.

You can find In-Process here:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-8th-february-2019/

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
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Twitter: @NVAccess



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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
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www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


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where I give all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali







my regular bullets disappeared after updateing word 2010

 

I have Windows 10 1803 and it just updated the other day. I went to
use Word 2010 and when creating a list I went and wrote my first line
and hit enter and then went to hit tab to start a nested list. The
default for me is to go a, b, and c ... well I went to change it to
bulleted and did my normal keystrokes to change the bullet. I hit
application key, hit b to get to bullet option, and then I arrow to
the right once. When I did that NVDA reported nothing. I tried
changing the bullet to some other one (they're some amount of letters
plus a font name) and the only one that NVDA reported was the O one
that says "circle" and I don't like that one.
I went to have my mom look at it and it showed up.
I changed to JAWDS and it showed up.
I tried to change the bullet using JAWS (I love how it is an actual
bullet name instead of that jibberish) and NVDA wouldn't report any of
those different bullets either.
I didn't remember seeing this as an issue when 1803 first came out and
I'm sure I missed it, but the volume for this list and others had
gotten out of hand for me so I cut down on the amount I checked them
so I might've missed it.

I have a key for 2007 and for 2016, but I've put off updating MS
Office because of the issues I happened to see others having and 2010
worked fine for me and I didn't want to downgrade either.

Is there something I missed or is there something I can do?

Thanks


Re: NVDA and sounds

 

Man, just brilliant!
I don't know how to patent an idea, though. But you should definitely look for ways to do it, seriously!

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 15/02/2019 01:50, Travis Siegel escreveu:

These days, it would be trivial to make such a secure os.

Simply put fingerprint scanners into all of the keycaps, and into the mouse buttons.  That way, as long as your fingers are the ones on the keyboard, it's a pretty good bet that it's you doing the typing.  Obviously, since you're checking eight fingers instead of one, you could easily speed up the fingerprint identification time, because you wouldn't have to have a 100 percent match on every single finger, just a 80 percent match (or so) on all eight fingers.  If they all match, then it's unlikely it's someone else using your keyboard.  Of course, the mouse is a different story, that one would have to be either a three button mouse, with all three buttons needing to be covered, or perhaps a 100 percent match with the button you're clicking.  Either way, the secure os is definitely a possibility, even if it does need a as of yet nonexistent keyboard/mouse combo. 

Now, who knows how to patent an idea?


On 2/14/2019 7:47 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Wow, I got curious about this "secure system". What's the name of it, can you tell me so I can look for more info on this matter? Just for fun, curiosity, you know.
Getting back to sounds, I'll just say that I tried everything that I could to get back my Firefox sounds while you seem to don't like yours. Ironic, isn't it? LOL
By the way, is there a way to  really get back the old sounds from the classic versions of Firefox?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 14/02/2019 18:27, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
You know this brings me right back to university in my os class.

We were talking about security and all the hacking of late and someone asked if there was such a thing as a secure os.

Surprisingly, there was, but every action, needed a password, when you hit enter on anything you needed to varify it was you doing it.

The users didn't like it, it didn't go anywhere.

Back to sounds, I don't think you would like it if everything had a sound.

I had something like this on google chrome once.

In waterfox, nav sounds happen whenever pages move, complete, you type, or do things.

I don't need all those annoying noises download complete, nav start, popups, a few notifications.

Now I guess nav complete and a few others if you were on dialup would be nice but really.

I think you would get really annoyed if every action you pushed resulted in a beep from the pc.

Especially with how some soundcards process stuff.

For example, on my entertainment workstation due to its really mega power, the sound drivers filter the amp.

On headphones you get full power but on speakers its filtered.

Thats fine to play music, or speech, but you start putting more than 1-2 sounds at once you start having issues.

Now I do have some cards without that restriction.

And the reason they have such a restriction on the internals crappy that it may get at times is if you play it raw without some adjustments to the sound or volume, it really doesn't sound good and could damage your ears or the hardware.

Now it can be done, you may be able to run speech like that, but may not other things.

Sounds may have different volumes, some stuff can be louder than speech, I have seen my music be overwealmed by the speech and vice versa.

In fact its more the other way round.

Now if you had different things going through different cards and better still different speakers that would be fine but still.

Point is I wouldn't unnecesarily have sounds playing that could conflict with other sounds.

So for example while I am doing serious work I don't play music, if I do, I turn it down so it doesn't interfier with my sound.

That means I don't usually hear it and with the powerfull box I have now the sound cutouts trip so I need to plug it to a speaker anyway.

If I listen to a podcast or something, the idea is to focus solely on that audio without interuption at least I have always found it better.

Now for a while before sound cards got chipped to boards you were able to get away with a few of these things but I have had users blow their cards, and or speakers as a result of running to many things, I have friends blow their ears etc just by running to many things even though volume wasn't particularly loud.

On the later chipped systems till 2013 when they started tieing it to display cards you could still get away with it.

In fact on win7, you probably could get away with most of this sort of thing.

Win10 isn't going to get you like that.

There are some things it simply won't let you do out of design or safety or something.

Certain things that go against bits of its security or quality rules.

There are vary few things that it outright refuses without a lot of doodling about but well its just not a good idea.

Now in the case of sound if you want to risk it, you can probably get away with well not using your linked drivers and just a ms driver, but as long as you never need headphones or need to use anything bar internal speakers and even then, you may or may not be ok, you take the risk.

Now if you happen to be on a standard non powerfull entertainment workstation that needs enhancements due to crappy sound output you may be fine, you may even get away with it but I wouldn't.


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: NVDA and sounds

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

These days, it would be trivial to make such a secure os.

Simply put fingerprint scanners into all of the keycaps, and into the mouse buttons.  That way, as long as your fingers are the ones on the keyboard, it's a pretty good bet that it's you doing the typing.  Obviously, since you're checking eight fingers instead of one, you could easily speed up the fingerprint identification time, because you wouldn't have to have a 100 percent match on every single finger, just a 80 percent match (or so) on all eight fingers.  If they all match, then it's unlikely it's someone else using your keyboard.  Of course, the mouse is a different story, that one would have to be either a three button mouse, with all three buttons needing to be covered, or perhaps a 100 percent match with the button you're clicking.  Either way, the secure os is definitely a possibility, even if it does need a as of yet nonexistent keyboard/mouse combo. 

Now, who knows how to patent an idea?


On 2/14/2019 7:47 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Wow, I got curious about this "secure system". What's the name of it, can you tell me so I can look for more info on this matter? Just for fun, curiosity, you know.
Getting back to sounds, I'll just say that I tried everything that I could to get back my Firefox sounds while you seem to don't like yours. Ironic, isn't it? LOL
By the way, is there a way to  really get back the old sounds from the classic versions of Firefox?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 14/02/2019 18:27, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
You know this brings me right back to university in my os class.

We were talking about security and all the hacking of late and someone asked if there was such a thing as a secure os.

Surprisingly, there was, but every action, needed a password, when you hit enter on anything you needed to varify it was you doing it.

The users didn't like it, it didn't go anywhere.

Back to sounds, I don't think you would like it if everything had a sound.

I had something like this on google chrome once.

In waterfox, nav sounds happen whenever pages move, complete, you type, or do things.

I don't need all those annoying noises download complete, nav start, popups, a few notifications.

Now I guess nav complete and a few others if you were on dialup would be nice but really.

I think you would get really annoyed if every action you pushed resulted in a beep from the pc.

Especially with how some soundcards process stuff.

For example, on my entertainment workstation due to its really mega power, the sound drivers filter the amp.

On headphones you get full power but on speakers its filtered.

Thats fine to play music, or speech, but you start putting more than 1-2 sounds at once you start having issues.

Now I do have some cards without that restriction.

And the reason they have such a restriction on the internals crappy that it may get at times is if you play it raw without some adjustments to the sound or volume, it really doesn't sound good and could damage your ears or the hardware.

Now it can be done, you may be able to run speech like that, but may not other things.

Sounds may have different volumes, some stuff can be louder than speech, I have seen my music be overwealmed by the speech and vice versa.

In fact its more the other way round.

Now if you had different things going through different cards and better still different speakers that would be fine but still.

Point is I wouldn't unnecesarily have sounds playing that could conflict with other sounds.

So for example while I am doing serious work I don't play music, if I do, I turn it down so it doesn't interfier with my sound.

That means I don't usually hear it and with the powerfull box I have now the sound cutouts trip so I need to plug it to a speaker anyway.

If I listen to a podcast or something, the idea is to focus solely on that audio without interuption at least I have always found it better.

Now for a while before sound cards got chipped to boards you were able to get away with a few of these things but I have had users blow their cards, and or speakers as a result of running to many things, I have friends blow their ears etc just by running to many things even though volume wasn't particularly loud.

On the later chipped systems till 2013 when they started tieing it to display cards you could still get away with it.

In fact on win7, you probably could get away with most of this sort of thing.

Win10 isn't going to get you like that.

There are some things it simply won't let you do out of design or safety or something.

Certain things that go against bits of its security or quality rules.

There are vary few things that it outright refuses without a lot of doodling about but well its just not a good idea.

Now in the case of sound if you want to risk it, you can probably get away with well not using your linked drivers and just a ms driver, but as long as you never need headphones or need to use anything bar internal speakers and even then, you may or may not be ok, you take the risk.

Now if you happen to be on a standard non powerfull entertainment workstation that needs enhancements due to crappy sound output you may be fine, you may even get away with it but I wouldn't.


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: NVDA and sounds

 

Never got a name for it.

It was never mentioned.



On 15/02/2019 1:47 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Wow, I got curious about this "secure system". What's the name of it, can you tell me so I can look for more info on this matter? Just for fun, curiosity, you know.
Getting back to sounds, I'll just say that I tried everything that I could to get back my Firefox sounds while you seem to don't like yours. Ironic, isn't it? LOL
By the way, is there a way to  really get back the old sounds from the classic versions of Firefox?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 14/02/2019 18:27, Shaun Everiss escreveu:
You know this brings me right back to university in my os class.

We were talking about security and all the hacking of late and someone asked if there was such a thing as a secure os.

Surprisingly, there was, but every action, needed a password, when you hit enter on anything you needed to varify it was you doing it.

The users didn't like it, it didn't go anywhere.

Back to sounds, I don't think you would like it if everything had a sound.

I had something like this on google chrome once.

In waterfox, nav sounds happen whenever pages move, complete, you type, or do things.

I don't need all those annoying noises download complete, nav start, popups, a few notifications.

Now I guess nav complete and a few others if you were on dialup would be nice but really.

I think you would get really annoyed if every action you pushed resulted in a beep from the pc.

Especially with how some soundcards process stuff.

For example, on my entertainment workstation due to its really mega power, the sound drivers filter the amp.

On headphones you get full power but on speakers its filtered.

Thats fine to play music, or speech, but you start putting more than 1-2 sounds at once you start having issues.

Now I do have some cards without that restriction.

And the reason they have such a restriction on the internals crappy that it may get at times is if you play it raw without some adjustments to the sound or volume, it really doesn't sound good and could damage your ears or the hardware.

Now it can be done, you may be able to run speech like that, but may not other things.

Sounds may have different volumes, some stuff can be louder than speech, I have seen my music be overwealmed by the speech and vice versa.

In fact its more the other way round.

Now if you had different things going through different cards and better still different speakers that would be fine but still.

Point is I wouldn't unnecesarily have sounds playing that could conflict with other sounds.

So for example while I am doing serious work I don't play music, if I do, I turn it down so it doesn't interfier with my sound.

That means I don't usually hear it and with the powerfull box I have now the sound cutouts trip so I need to plug it to a speaker anyway.

If I listen to a podcast or something, the idea is to focus solely on that audio without interuption at least I have always found it better.

Now for a while before sound cards got chipped to boards you were able to get away with a few of these things but I have had users blow their cards, and or speakers as a result of running to many things, I have friends blow their ears etc just by running to many things even though volume wasn't particularly loud.

On the later chipped systems till 2013 when they started tieing it to display cards you could still get away with it.

In fact on win7, you probably could get away with most of this sort of thing.

Win10 isn't going to get you like that.

There are some things it simply won't let you do out of design or safety or something.

Certain things that go against bits of its security or quality rules.

There are vary few things that it outright refuses without a lot of doodling about but well its just not a good idea.

Now in the case of sound if you want to risk it, you can probably get away with well not using your linked drivers and just a ms driver, but as long as you never need headphones or need to use anything bar internal speakers and even then, you may or may not be ok, you take the risk.

Now if you happen to be on a standard non powerfull entertainment workstation that needs enhancements due to crappy sound output you may be fine, you may even get away with it but I wouldn't.




On 14/02/2019 10:15 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
At the risk of being too frivolous, the old Victor Borge comedy skit where he proposes that every punctuation mark should have a sound when being read is worth a listen. It will be on Youtube if you have not encountered it before. Its very old, he has been dead for years. Ahead of his time.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sounds


LOL it really would be sooo funny to have something like that in NVDA!

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Em 13/02/2019 22:34, Chris Shook escreveu:
Here's how it works with JAWS.
1. Go to dictionary manager.
2. Press Shit control D. THis will open the default dictionary manager.
3. CLick on the add button.

4. Go to the actual world field.
5. Type the word in the actual word field.
6. Tab to the select sound button.
7. Go to the list of sounds that come up.
8 When you find the sound you want, click enter.
9. If you want to test the sound press the play button.
10. If you like the sound, press control S to save the changes.
11. Exit the dictionary.

The sounds are various. My personal favorite one was starter pistol.




















Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 09:27 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
I expand a thread, and then see all of the messages in that thread.  I can’t then close the thread.
Left arrow should collapse a conversation/thread no matter what message you may be viewing in that conversation.

By the way, if I do a level one expansion (one right arrow) on a conversation it's consistently taking me to the newest read message (since all of mine are read right now) but that strongly suggests to me that my memory that it will go to the first unread message when there is one or more is correct.
 
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Re: NVDA and off topic chats

Chris Shook
 

THanks for waiting, I'll finish signing up and send something.


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

Tony,

          Use CTRL+DOWN/UP arrow to traverse through the message/conversation list if you do not wish to have conversations auto-expand as you're breezing through the message list.   

           If you're using conversation view, the read/unread for a conversation is in regard to the conversation taken as a whole.  If all messages within a conversation are read then the conversation is read.  If any single one or more messages within a conversation are unread, the conversation is considered unread.  As I don't have an unread conversation available at this moment, I can't play with one, but I seem to recall that focus will go to the first unread message in the conversation automatically when it expands, but I could be mistaken about that.  I believe there's a keyboard shortcut for moving to the next/previous read/unread messages, but I'll be darned if I can find it at the moment.

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Re: NVDA and off topic chats

 

Not at the moment, Chris.
I was waiting for you. But I ended up without internet for a time and when I got back I don't get anything from there.
Wondering how many people are there.
Guys from the chat list, go there, say hello!
Oh and sorry for the offtopic.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/02/2019 00:06, Chris Shook escreveu:

Martio, have you suggested that messenger thing to keep down the off topic chats yet?






Re: is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

 

I heard about this add-on a time ago but don't paid attention on it.
Does it do the intended job? What it's like?

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Marcio
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Em 14/02/2019 16:53, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:

I wonder if the placeholder add on might be able to help with that one?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?


Yes, it is, but I suppose it will not work because the buttons don't have a Control ID unique...
all have 0 as ControlID...

Rui Fontes


Às 16:15 de 14/02/2019, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:
Is it available in Jaws?

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Peter Beasley
*Sent:* Thursday, February 14, 2019 10:52 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] is there a way to label unlabeled buttons using NVDA?

We used to have that feature in windoeyes.

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I'm not aware of such a feature in NVDA.
It would be pretty good, though. Someone may have already done the request regarding it, so let's hope this is an option coming soon ;)

Just out of curiosity, what's the program/app name?

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Em 14/02/2019 13:21, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

    Hey guys, molly here again.

    Is there a way to label unlabeled buttons with NVDA? I downloaded an
    app and when I swipe using the touchscreen or navigate with the
    keyboard NVDA just says button, button.the app is a collection of
    text adventure games. and while the game’s are accessible, the
    titles of the games in the games library aren’t labeled.

    Any help will be greatly appreciated 😊

    Thanks.

    Molly












NVDA and off topic chats

Chris Shook
 

Martio, have you suggested that messenger thing to keep down the off topic chats yet?


Re: NVDA and sounds

 

Agreed.
However, I saw some interesting points about it. Don't remember who wrote them, but well, my conclusion about it is it may well be something someone consider pretty useful and others consider just for fun.

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Em 14/02/2019 16:40, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:

I think here we are talking more about entertainment rather than productivity and utility, so if somebody wants this its better suited to an add on I'd suggest rather than wasting time of the core programmers. Brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 12:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and sounds


Yeah, the addon would probably have to pull the sounds from some sort of website or service.
May be something to suggest to the developers.










Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

 

Try WordWeb. It's the best dictionary I've ever used.
Though it has "online" in its name, I'm 99,9% sure it works offline except by 1 or 2 features which I don't use at all, so..
Anyway, give it a try and see what you get.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 14/02/2019 15:07, Robert Geoffroy escreveu:

Hi, everyone,

Do any of you know which language dictionaries are accessible with NVDA, maybe with add-ons? I don’t speak of on-line dictionaries! I’m looking for French-English, English-French dictionaries, English-German and German-English ones too.

I use “Le Robert & Collins” (2.2.0.5) but it isn’t fully accessible.

Well, have you any ideas about that? Thanks!

Robert







Re: Problems With NVDA

molly the blind tech lover
 

Agreed.

I’m only going to reply if I can actually help someone. I deeply regret all the times I have gone off topic. I’m sorry everyone.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

 

Well now,

 

That is an excellent question.

 

This subject has nothing to do with the topic being discussed, and the issues being discussed for sometime now have nothing to do with NVDA that I can tell. There have been a number of posts from Travis stating what is and isn't RAM, so I would think that we might be able to move on now. Thoughts anyone?

 

Thanks.

 

On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 5:57 PM Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:

Does anyone remember what this thread was originally about?




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Well now,

That is an excellent question.

This subject has nothing to do with the topic being discussed, and the issues being discussed for sometime now have nothing to do with NVDA that I can tell. There have been a number of posts from Travis stating what is and isn't RAM, so I would think that we might be able to move on now. Thoughts anyone?

Thanks.


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