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Re: ITunes and NVDA

Brad Snyder
 

You can use iTunes with a screen reader, it just takes some getting use to.  Once you get the hang of it, it is very workable.

- Brad -




On Feb 15, 2019, at 15:10, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Maybe I won’t use iTunes after all. Lol.
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ITunes and NVDA
 
iTunes is confusing no matter what screen reader you are using.
I use iTunes on a Mac with VoiceOver, and it is just as big a mess there as on Windows with either NVDA or JAWS.
That’s just how it is.


- Brad -


 
On Feb 15, 2019, at 09:28, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:
 
I tried using iTunes  with NVDA and I had trouble navigating it. I found it confusing.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 9:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ITunes and NVDA

I don't know what you mean by offers, but I do use itunes occasionally, though I really don't like it much, so it's generally reserved for those times I need to backup my iPhone, otherwise, I use amazon, spotify, serius xm, or my own version of an mp3 player I wrote depending on what I'm doing.  backing up the Iphone is about the only thing I use Itunes for these days, even though it insists on importing all my music, which irks me to no end, I just can't find the music I want to listen to when using Itunes, because it's interface has changed too much from when I used it on the mac, and had no issues with it.  I don't like the latest versions of Itunes for that reason, it's impossible to find anything.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, Ján Kulik wrote:


Hi all, does anyone use your iTunes on a computer with an NVDA reader? 
NVDA just does not announce any offers after the ALTm slider or iTunes 
version information. Unfortunately, I recently installed it.

Thank you for your answers.
Greetings from Slovakia







 



Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 04:06 PM, Lisa-Maree wrote:
Just to let you all know, rumola is still there. 
It is if you already happen to have it installed.   I challenge you to find a way to get it on a machine that does not already have it (and I don't count using Chrome's sync function if you log in to Chrome).
 
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Re: ITunes and NVDA

molly the blind tech lover
 

Maybe I won’t use iTunes after all. Lol.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 10:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ITunes and NVDA

 

iTunes is confusing no matter what screen reader you are using.

I use iTunes on a Mac with VoiceOver, and it is just as big a mess there as on Windows with either NVDA or JAWS.

That’s just how it is.


- Brad -


 

On Feb 15, 2019, at 09:28, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

 

I tried using iTunes  with NVDA and I had trouble navigating it. I found it confusing.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 9:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ITunes and NVDA

I don't know what you mean by offers, but I do use itunes occasionally, though I really don't like it much, so it's generally reserved for those times I need to backup my iPhone, otherwise, I use amazon, spotify, serius xm, or my own version of an mp3 player I wrote depending on what I'm doing.  backing up the Iphone is about the only thing I use Itunes for these days, even though it insists on importing all my music, which irks me to no end, I just can't find the music I want to listen to when using Itunes, because it's interface has changed too much from when I used it on the mac, and had no issues with it.  I don't like the latest versions of Itunes for that reason, it's impossible to find anything.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, Ján Kulik wrote:


Hi all, does anyone use your iTunes on a computer with an NVDA reader?
NVDA just does not announce any offers after the ALTm slider or iTunes
version information. Unfortunately, I recently installed it.

Thank you for your answers.
Greetings from Slovakia







 


Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

Lisa-Maree
 

Hi,

Just to let you all know, rumola is still there.  I used it only yesterday in chrome to help solve a captcha.

 

Lisa-Maree

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, 16 February 2019 5:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Captcha solving services and NVDA

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:43 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I thought that service went away?

Rumola has gone away.  If you try to click through to the Google Web Store from the website given, which is their primary site, you get a "not found."

Since this "not found" is already reported as being persistent, I wouldn't hold out any hope for Rumola.  I actually still have the extension in my Chrome browser, but haven't had it turned on in ages.
 
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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


The golden cursor can do that and more. It can also do i think you call them hot points etc



I think there is also a restricted mode where you can only use the mouse with in a certain area or make it un restricted so it is not.

I am sure i read a reference to that.


It can be found on the nvda add ons page.


Gene nz


On 15/02/2019 10:09 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.














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Re: Now availible: essential lessons from NVDA Development basics

James AUSTIN
 

Thanks for this Joseph


This will be invaluable. I am currently learning Python 3 and hope to contribute in some way to NVDA. I am a member of the development sub group, but am too busy with family commitments and work to take an active part.


Best wishes

James

On 15/02/2019 17:20, Joseph Lee wrote:

Dear NVDA community,

 

In 2017 I created a subgroup in NVDA users list designed to teach NVDA development basics to potential developers. Due to restrictions placed at that time, the lessons archive was only visible to subgroup members.

 

After feedback from members, I’d like to announce community-wide release of these lessons on my website (a text file but formatted in Markdown format), which can be found at:

https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdadocs/nvdadevlearning.txt

 

Important things to note:

 

  1. Some unit 1 and 2 lessons are not included. Unit 1 talks about how to fetch NVDA source code, compile it, and run it NVDA from source for the first time, all of which can be found in NVDA’s source code readme (or on GitHub).
  2. The development subgroup is currently learning unit 5 (code contributions).
  3. Some of what I say in these lessons might be out of date. I’ll eventually put up a repo on my personal GitHub account that folks can clone and make changes to (and submit as a pull request).
  4. The content in there should cover majority of development scenarios. As of now, browse mode, display model, and character processing are major lessons missing from unit 4.

 

P.S. If you are looking for a sample material as to how one would do technical writing, or incorporate this lessons archive somewhere in teaching people about screen reader history and what not, I hereby give you permission to do so (attribution is what I ask, and if you can, donation to NV Access is highly appreciated).

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Gene
 

Often, it isn't more complicated than using screen review and routing and clicking the mouse to where you are.  There are times when you have to use object navigation and that is different than screen review.  Joseph Lee has done a tutorial on object review and others may have as well.  Depending on how you use your computer, you may or may not want to learn and use it.  It may or may not be useful.  I believe for the general user, its more important to use with Windows 10 apps but if you use old style programs, you may not benefit much from learning it. 
 
I'll let those who know about them discuss tutorials that deal with screen review.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: AKH AKH
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Is there a tutorial about how to get the best out of mouse control using NVDA?  It all sounds complicated.


Andrew


On 15/02/2019 15:20, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

I couldn’t agree more, NVDA is absolutely fine for the majority, I only point out differences in my workflow, there are some programs that are very difficult with NVDA, like Sage Accounting for Windows, which JAWS handles much better.  Mostly because you need to do a lot of mousing, and you’re dealing with a lot of custom controls.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 February 2019 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

You will see this discussed in terms of the Golden Cursor add-on in messages by others.  I haven't used it. 

 

What you are demonstrating, by implication, is that NVDA isn't as good in some ways for highly technical and some employment uses.  But, it should be pointed out, that for the majority of users, NVDA will meet their needs as well.  I don't know if NVDA will develop these abilities in future. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.














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Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:43 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I thought that service went away?
Rumola has gone away.  If you try to click through to the Google Web Store from the website given, which is their primary site, you get a "not found."

Since this "not found" is already reported as being persistent, I wouldn't hold out any hope for Rumola.  I actually still have the extension in my Chrome browser, but haven't had it turned on in ages.
 
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Re: Graphics that contain links

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 12:57 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:
That doesn’t work for me.
And until or unless you can provide an example site for everyone to noodle with, you'll get no definitive answer.
 
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Re: Graphics that contain links

Peter Beasley
 

                That doesn’t work for me.

 

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From: Travis Siegel
Sent: 15 February 2019 16:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

When I encounter one of these links, I've generally had no trouble activating them in the usual way.  Either use the enter key (if moving via arrows), or use the NVDA-numpad enter key to activate them.  Depending on how they're coded, the normal enter key works, if they're javascript, then NVDA-NUMPAD enter usually does the trick.  There are a few cases where this doesn't work either, and in those cases, I just move on to something else, because it's more effort than it's worth to fuss with it to make it work.  I'm very much a least effort type person, if it's too much work, I'll ignore it and get the information elsewhere.

On 2/15/2019 6:00 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

A number of sites are now using graphics that  contain links. How do you activate these links using NVDA               ?

 

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Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I thought that service went away? I baught some credits but could never ge the add on to work again after last year. Is it back now? I miss that service.

On 15 Feb 2019, at 2:27, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

Hi. The one I personally use with great success is Rumola, they're very reasonably priced.

http://skipinput.com/

Very best wishes,

Mo.


Now availible: essential lessons from NVDA Development basics

 

Dear NVDA community,

 

In 2017 I created a subgroup in NVDA users list designed to teach NVDA development basics to potential developers. Due to restrictions placed at that time, the lessons archive was only visible to subgroup members.

 

After feedback from members, I’d like to announce community-wide release of these lessons on my website (a text file but formatted in Markdown format), which can be found at:

https://www.josephsl.net/files/nvdadocs/nvdadevlearning.txt

 

Important things to note:

 

  1. Some unit 1 and 2 lessons are not included. Unit 1 talks about how to fetch NVDA source code, compile it, and run it NVDA from source for the first time, all of which can be found in NVDA’s source code readme (or on GitHub).
  2. The development subgroup is currently learning unit 5 (code contributions).
  3. Some of what I say in these lessons might be out of date. I’ll eventually put up a repo on my personal GitHub account that folks can clone and make changes to (and submit as a pull request).
  4. The content in there should cover majority of development scenarios. As of now, browse mode, display model, and character processing are major lessons missing from unit 4.

 

P.S. If you are looking for a sample material as to how one would do technical writing, or incorporate this lessons archive somewhere in teaching people about screen reader history and what not, I hereby give you permission to do so (attribution is what I ask, and if you can, donation to NV Access is highly appreciated).

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Graphics that contain links

 

Speaking for myself, I'm going to echo Gene's earlier sentiments.  It really helps if you can give the URL to a page that exhibits the object in question and direct someone to said object.

I have been, how shall I put it nicely, complaining bitterly for a while now that it's becoming commonplace to mask links visually as if they were buttons.  They still activate the same way, but if you're a sighted person trying to direct someone who's blind to something on a page, and it looks like a button, you'll probably have them use button quick navigation to get there if you don't have them use screen reader search.  It's maddening when "a button (visually) is not a button (actually)."

These seem to activate just like any other link, though, in the vast majority of cases.  Once you've got focus, activate 'em by your method of choice.

As with all things accessibility, I'm sure there are exceptions, and those are the interesting cases to dig in to.
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Re: Instances of redundancy

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Ivan and Ivan2 are selections under settings, espeak-ng, english (us), then ivan (it turns out I'm using ivan, though I'm fairly certain that at one time I was using Ivan2.

I like them because they're a bit louder than some of the other voices, and a bit deeper, though only by degrees.

On 2/15/2019 9:35 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
I also use Espeak. I have never heard of Ivan or Ivan2 though. What are those?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 15. Feb. 2019 um 15:23 Uhr schrieb Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com>:


Re: Graphics that contain links

Aravind R
 

apart from enter and insert+enter, we can try control+enter and left
click by routing mouse cursor to PC then pressing numberpad minus. Our
bank's e learning module wont allow me to succeed with any off these
technique. then we switch off brouse mode by using insert+space then
activate links using tab. even after these, some pages inside our bank
wont work in such cases, i have to ask sited colligues help.

On 2/15/19, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
When I encounter one of these links, I've generally had no trouble
activating them in the usual way.  Either use the enter key (if moving
via arrows), or use the NVDA-numpad enter key to activate them.
Depending on how they're coded, the normal enter key works, if they're
javascript, then NVDA-NUMPAD enter usually does the trick.  There are a
few cases where this doesn't work either, and in those cases, I just
move on to something else, because it's more effort than it's worth to
fuss with it to make it work.  I'm very much a least effort type person,
if it's too much work, I'll ignore it and get the information elsewhere.

On 2/15/2019 6:00 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

A number of sites are now using graphics that  contain links. How do
you activate these links using NVDA               ?

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Re: Graphics that contain links

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

When I encounter one of these links, I've generally had no trouble activating them in the usual way.  Either use the enter key (if moving via arrows), or use the NVDA-numpad enter key to activate them.  Depending on how they're coded, the normal enter key works, if they're javascript, then NVDA-NUMPAD enter usually does the trick.  There are a few cases where this doesn't work either, and in those cases, I just move on to something else, because it's more effort than it's worth to fuss with it to make it work.  I'm very much a least effort type person, if it's too much work, I'll ignore it and get the information elsewhere.

On 2/15/2019 6:00 AM, Peter Beasley wrote:

A number of sites are now using graphics that  contain links. How do you activate these links using NVDA               ?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

 

Something's definitely gone south in the world of Rumola.

Do a Chrome Store search on extensions for Buster.   It has some very good, and very recent, reviews and appears to deal with the new multi-panel image captchas by using AI to solve their audio option instead.   I can't say anything about it personally as I don't use it.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

AKH AKH
 

Is there a tutorial about how to get the best out of mouse control using NVDA?  It all sounds complicated.


Andrew


On 15/02/2019 15:20, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

I couldn’t agree more, NVDA is absolutely fine for the majority, I only point out differences in my workflow, there are some programs that are very difficult with NVDA, like Sage Accounting for Windows, which JAWS handles much better.  Mostly because you need to do a lot of mousing, and you’re dealing with a lot of custom controls.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 February 2019 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

You will see this discussed in terms of the Golden Cursor add-on in messages by others.  I haven't used it. 

 

What you are demonstrating, by implication, is that NVDA isn't as good in some ways for highly technical and some employment uses.  But, it should be pointed out, that for the majority of users, NVDA will meet their needs as well.  I don't know if NVDA will develop these abilities in future. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.














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Re: ITunes and NVDA

Brad Snyder
 

iTunes is confusing no matter what screen reader you are using.
I use iTunes on a Mac with VoiceOver, and it is just as big a mess there as on Windows with either NVDA or JAWS.
That’s just how it is.

- Brad -




On Feb 15, 2019, at 09:28, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

I tried using iTunes  with NVDA and I had trouble navigating it. I found it confusing.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 9:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ITunes and NVDA

I don't know what you mean by offers, but I do use itunes occasionally, though I really don't like it much, so it's generally reserved for those times I need to backup my iPhone, otherwise, I use amazon, spotify, serius xm, or my own version of an mp3 player I wrote depending on what I'm doing.  backing up the Iphone is about the only thing I use Itunes for these days, even though it insists on importing all my music, which irks me to no end, I just can't find the music I want to listen to when using Itunes, because it's interface has changed too much from when I used it on the mac, and had no issues with it.  I don't like the latest versions of Itunes for that reason, it's impossible to find anything.

On Fri, 15 Feb 2019, Ján Kulik wrote:

Hi all, does anyone use your iTunes on a computer with an NVDA reader?
NVDA just does not announce any offers after the ALTm slider or iTunes
version information. Unfortunately, I recently installed it.

Thank you for your answers.
Greetings from Slovakia









Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

Steve,

           I do not know of a shortcut to expand or collapse all conversations/threads.  The default in Outlook 2016 is to expand only a single conversation that has focus, and when you exit that conversation it automatically collapses again.  Or at least that's how it's working on my Outlook 2016 that's part of Office 2016 Pro Plus, and I know I haven't tweaked any default behaviors with regard to conversation handling.

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