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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,

No, these are categories, not commands themselves. It is possible to add touchscreen gestures to a keyboard command and vice versa, and some add-ons (including at least two of mine) come with touchscreen gestures for some keyboard commands.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 5:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi

 

this might be a dum question or maybe not.

 

I was looking through the input gestures for nvda and most are for the keyboard for desk top and lap top but there is also a section small as it is for touch gestures.

 

if some one had a device where they can do touch gestures is it this section also where they asign them?

 

When you go to the input gesture help section in the user manual it mentions more for keyboard and braile displays is the touch gestures the etc part?

 

Gene nz

 

On 16/02/2019 12:21 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Sarah k Alawami
 

And that'show I picture gesture. I think in pictures when I either speak or read A command is just that, an order, a key stroke, Ok, close enough.

On 15 Feb 2019, at 17:46, Mary Otten wrote:

Hi Joseph,
As a former translator of both Russian and Arabic, I would like to point out that the word gesture in English would never be translated as command or anything like that in either of those languages. A gesture is something you do, say with your hands or maybe your head,  as in a nod. It’s a visual signal. It has absolutely nothing in the general sense to do with inputting stuff to a computer except on a touchscreen. So I don’t know how they’re translating that in other languages. But if I were translating it into Russian, I would not use the equivalent word for gesture, as it would make no sense


On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Hmmm, Quentin, any thoughts? I think part of the problem may have to do with attempts at carrying old assumptions forward. I’m interested in your comments, as renaming a menu item will have vast consequences for not just users and English speakers, but speakers of other languages, tutorial writers, and NVDA promoters.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

How about just "commands" YOu know, K I S S?

Take care

On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:44, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:38 PM, Gene wrote:

Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.

We're all getting very meta, and quickly, aren't we?

Gene, you and I are clearly on the same page.  I'd even pare off "input."  In the computing world (and even regular one, really) commands are generally thought of as input to a system/person, issued from outside.

There are definitely output commands too, but in the context of programming, which the non-programmer generally has no interest in.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,

A few years ago the Korean translations team (me included) had a small debate as to how to translate the notion of “gestures” into Korean. In the end, we settled on translating “input gestures” as “hotkey settings”.

As for technical writing: having delved into that for more than a decade (starting out as a high school senior in 2008), I do know how complex the process and business of tech writing and transcoding is (transcoding refers to coding something from one form of presentation to another) and describing complex things in the process. My most recent exercise in this arena has been writing expository essays on internals of some of the most complex NVDA add-ons out there, particularly for an add-on I myself didn’t write (Systray List). Folks who’ve been in this business (professionally or as a hobby) may have a common ground in talking about the process of solidifying a concept – that is, describing an abstract thing or a process in a way that many people can understand, or make it understandable to some in hopes that they can make it easier for others to follow. Also, we see different people as role models or indirect teachers of this craft – my role model is David Pogue, a former New York Times columnist who wrote books under The Missing Manual series (I don’t think he has updated his book on Windows 10 in quite a while).

Perhaps I should request a lightning talk slot in this year’s NVDACon to talk about technical writing profession…

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 5:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi Joseph,
As a former translator of both Russian and Arabic, I would like to point out that the word gesture in English would never be translated as command or anything like that in either of those languages. A gesture is something you do, say with your hands or maybe your head,  as in a nod. It’s a visual signal. It has absolutely nothing in the general sense to do with inputting stuff to a computer except on a touchscreen. So I don’t know how they’re translating that in other languages. But if I were translating it into Russian, I would not use the equivalent word for gesture, as it would make no sense

 


On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Hmmm, Quentin, any thoughts? I think part of the problem may have to do with attempts at carrying old assumptions forward. I’m interested in your comments, as renaming a menu item will have vast consequences for not just users and English speakers, but speakers of other languages, tutorial writers, and NVDA promoters.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

How about just "commands" YOu know, K I S S?

Take care

On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:44, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:38 PM, Gene wrote:

Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.

We're all getting very meta, and quickly, aren't we?

Gene, you and I are clearly on the same page.  I'd even pare off "input."  In the computing world (and even regular one, really) commands are generally thought of as input to a system/person, issued from outside.

There are definitely output commands too, but in the context of programming, which the non-programmer generally has no interest in.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

In the portuguese comunity, for Portugal and Brasil, we use only "Commands" instead of "Input gestures".

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Portuguese NVDA team


Às 01:36 de 16/02/2019, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Hmmm, Quentin, any thoughts? I think part of the problem may have to do with attempts at carrying old assumptions forward. I’m interested in your comments, as renaming a menu item will have vast consequences for not just users and English speakers, but speakers of other languages, tutorial writers, and NVDA promoters.
Cheers,
Joseph
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2019 4:54 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions
How about just "commands" YOu know, K I S S?
Take care
On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:44, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:38 PM, Gene wrote:
Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.
We're all getting very meta, and quickly, aren't we?
Gene, you and I are clearly on the same page.  I'd even pare off
"input."  In the computing world (and even regular one, really)
commands are generally thought of as input to a system/person,
issued from outside.
There are definitely output commands too, but in the context of
programming, which the non-programmer generally has no interest in.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
/*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*/
          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


this might be a dum question or maybe not.


I was looking through the input gestures for nvda and most are for the keyboard for desk top and lap top but there is also a section small as it is for touch gestures.


if some one had a device where they can do touch gestures is it this section also where they asign them?


When you go to the input gesture help section in the user manual it mentions more for keyboard and braile displays is the touch gestures the etc part?


Gene nz


On 16/02/2019 12:21 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Mary Otten
 

Hi Joseph,
As a former translator of both Russian and Arabic, I would like to point out that the word gesture in English would never be translated as command or anything like that in either of those languages. A gesture is something you do, say with your hands or maybe your head,  as in a nod. It’s a visual signal. It has absolutely nothing in the general sense to do with inputting stuff to a computer except on a touchscreen. So I don’t know how they’re translating that in other languages. But if I were translating it into Russian, I would not use the equivalent word for gesture, as it would make no sense


On Feb 15, 2019, at 5:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Hmmm, Quentin, any thoughts? I think part of the problem may have to do with attempts at carrying old assumptions forward. I’m interested in your comments, as renaming a menu item will have vast consequences for not just users and English speakers, but speakers of other languages, tutorial writers, and NVDA promoters.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

How about just "commands" YOu know, K I S S?

Take care

On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:44, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:38 PM, Gene wrote:

Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.

We're all getting very meta, and quickly, aren't we?

Gene, you and I are clearly on the same page.  I'd even pare off "input."  In the computing world (and even regular one, really) commands are generally thought of as input to a system/person, issued from outside.

There are definitely output commands too, but in the context of programming, which the non-programmer generally has no interest in.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,

Hmmm, Quentin, any thoughts? I think part of the problem may have to do with attempts at carrying old assumptions forward. I’m interested in your comments, as renaming a menu item will have vast consequences for not just users and English speakers, but speakers of other languages, tutorial writers, and NVDA promoters.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 4:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

How about just "commands" YOu know, K I S S?

Take care

On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:44, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:38 PM, Gene wrote:

Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.

We're all getting very meta, and quickly, aren't we?

Gene, you and I are clearly on the same page.  I'd even pare off "input."  In the computing world (and even regular one, really) commands are generally thought of as input to a system/person, issued from outside.

There are definitely output commands too, but in the context of programming, which the non-programmer generally has no interest in.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Sarah k Alawami
 

How about just "commands" YOu know, K I S S?

Take care

On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:44, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:38 PM, Gene wrote:
Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.
We're all getting very meta, and quickly, aren't we?

Gene, you and I are clearly on the same page.  I'd even pare off "input."  In the computing world (and even regular one, really) commands are generally thought of as input to a system/person, issued from outside.

There are definitely output commands too, but in the context of programming, which the non-programmer generally has no interest in.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:38 PM, Gene wrote:
Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.
We're all getting very meta, and quickly, aren't we?

Gene, you and I are clearly on the same page.  I'd even pare off "input."  In the computing world (and even regular one, really) commands are generally thought of as input to a system/person, issued from outside.

There are definitely output commands too, but in the context of programming, which the non-programmer generally has no interest in.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Gene
 

The problem is, what should this array of ways of input be called?  Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.  This is just one more example of the decline of English.  Apps and applications, two different things, are used increasingly interchangeably.  the language in general is becoming less precise and accurate and this is just one area.
 
Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Input gestures are more abstract
Which is precisely the problem.  Callin something that is intimately familiar to the typical end user, and when it's currently the only method (regardless of keyboard being used), something "more abstract" is not the way to go. 

The folks at NV Access are far from the only software developers to go this route.   Almost every time it's the route taken it makes things more opaque to the target demographic, which is why it should be avoided in the first place.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Sarah k Alawami
 

I agree with Brian. I see input gestures and think touch, not keyboard or mouse etc. I don't think there has ever ben a change in terms and to me they are Not synonymous.

On 15 Feb 2019, at 16:20, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
(and perhaps one day, voice).
          And were one to hide the incredibly direct term, "voice commands," under the rubric "input gestures" then all the opprobrium heaped upon you would be deserved.  Taking the direct "voice" and abstracting it to "input" should be a hanging offense.

          Say what you mean and mean what you say, using terminology "the typical user" can instantly recognize, is the foundation of good design.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

Mary,

         Not that I don't blame technical writers for a multitude of sins in the world of documentation, but terminology used by an application is seldom determined by them.

         I'm not attempting to bash any individual or group, either, but share my hard-won insights after decades in many facets of IT.   I mean, in what earthly way would anyone who thought about it think that the abstraction "input gestures" superior to the far more conventional "commands," which covers any input method to issue them.

         As I have grown older I have become far more intolerant of practices, particularly related to writing, that seem to have as their main purpose making what is written less comprehensible by a broad audience.  Nowhere is this worse than in academic writing.  The idea that saying in one or two opaque terms what is immediately obvious using 5 common words should also be a shooting offense.

          All pursuits lead to some jargon for the sake of efficiency, and that's OK.  That's not what I'm talking about in any way.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Mary Otten
 

Brian,


I couldn't agree with you more! I guess "me too" messages aren't all that useful. But hiding what should be plainly obvious behind unnecessarily opaque jargon defeats the purpose of the documentation in the first place. I guess that's why good technical writers are so hard to find.


Mary

On 2/15/2019 4:20 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
(and perhaps one day, voice).
          And were one to hide the incredibly direct term, "voice commands," under the rubric "input gestures" then all the opprobrium heaped upon you would be deserved.  Taking the direct "voice" and abstracting it to "input" should be a hanging offense.

          Say what you mean and mean what you say, using terminology "the typical user" can instantly recognize, is the foundation of good design.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


NVDA Tutorial Material in the Russian Language

Albert Ruel
 

Hi all.  Can anyone point me to an email discussion list like this one for Russian NVDA users, as well as to any tutorial/training material that might be available in Russian. 

 

Thx, Albert

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
(and perhaps one day, voice).
          And were one to hide the incredibly direct term, "voice commands," under the rubric "input gestures" then all the opprobrium heaped upon you would be deserved.  Taking the direct "voice" and abstracting it to "input" should be a hanging offense.

          Say what you mean and mean what you say, using terminology "the typical user" can instantly recognize, is the foundation of good design.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Input gestures are more abstract
Which is precisely the problem.  Callin something that is intimately familiar to the typical end user, and when it's currently the only method (regardless of keyboard being used), something "more abstract" is not the way to go. 

The folks at NV Access are far from the only software developers to go this route.   Almost every time it's the route taken it makes things more opaque to the target demographic, which is why it should be avoided in the first place.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,

Input gestures are more abstract – in that it includes not only keyboard commands, but also represents other input possibilities such as braille display buttons and touchscreen gestures (and perhaps one day, voice).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Richard Bartholomew
 

Yes, I must admit to not bothering to look into this as I, too, assumed the gestures were to do with touch screens!  I should have learned by now not to assume anything!



Regards
Richard Bartholomew


On 15 Feb 2019, at 23:21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

 

Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Richard Wells
 

Brian: This is extremely helpful. For some reason, I have never thought of looking at the gestures preferences. they sounded more like touch commands to me. Maybe because other access technology refers to this is keyboard preferences. Anyway, thanks for the pointers. It just didn't click with me until you explained it the way you did. The human brain is a strange organism.


On 2/15/2019 4:55 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 05:37 PM, Richard Wells wrote:
I need Clip Contents Designer to work as well and Golden Cursor has key conflicts
With regard to Clip Contents Designer, its own add-on page clearly states:   Note: The above commands can be changed from NVDA menu, Preferences submenu, Input gestures dialog, Text review category.

With regard to Golden Cursor, its add-on page clearly states:  Note: these gestures can be reassigned via NVDA's Input Gestures dialog under Golden Cursor category.

On quick reading it appears that there's a single key conflict.  It's a simple matter to reassign that command, NVDA+Windows+C, for one of the two add-ons.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back