Hi!

I use Golden cursor all the time to access software that I could not any other way!

After you install the add-on, you can choose the number of pixels you want to move by in any direction.

When you press:

Windows+NVDA+P, you hear, in pixels, where the mouse pointer is on the screen.

The x coordinate is first, and Y is second.

You can save pixel positions of where you want to go.

Golden cursor allows you to do much more with the mouse than JAWS.

That add-on is the key to what you want.

Golden cursor is my favorite add-on that I use the most!

David Moore

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Hi

The golden cursor can do that and more. It can also do i think you call them hot points etc

I think there is also a restricted mode where you can only use the mouse with in a certain area or make it un restricted so it is not.

I am sure i read a reference to that.

It can be found on the nvda add ons page.

Gene nz

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.

Is there a tutorial about how to get the best out of mouse control using NVDA?  It all sounds complicated.

Andrew

Hi Jean,

 

I couldn’t agree more, NVDA is absolutely fine for the majority, I only point out differences in my workflow, there are some programs that are very difficult with NVDA, like Sage Accounting for Windows, which JAWS handles much better.  Mostly because you need to do a lot of mousing, and you’re dealing with a lot of custom controls.

 

All the best

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 February 2019 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

You will see this discussed in terms of the Golden Cursor add-on in messages by others.  I haven't used it. 

 

What you are demonstrating, by implication, is that NVDA isn't as good in some ways for highly technical and some employment uses.  But, it should be pointed out, that for the majority of users, NVDA will meet their needs as well.  I don't know if NVDA will develop these abilities in future. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:09 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 15 February 2019 15:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Steve,

           I do not know of a shortcut to expand or collapse all conversations/threads.  The default in Outlook 2016 is to expand only a single conversation that has focus, and when you exit that conversation it automatically collapses again.  Or at least that's how it's working on my Outlook 2016 that's part of Office 2016 Pro Plus, and I know I haven't tweaked any default behaviors with regard to conversation handling.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

Hi,
You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may
encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer
features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for
turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident
screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes,
it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain
productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a
ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning
off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under
XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer
you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can do now).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message---


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
windows
7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t
be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs
and regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com
<mailto:kingettr@gmail.com> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word,
and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't
this be on by default after1901?

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

I think the issue though is when you see the word Gesture, you may not understand it as anything but a physical motion, ie making a rude sign or whatever, Its not universally known by this name for interaction with anything but touch sscreens based on my unscientific  study of half a dozen blind computer users!

A headinglike  keyboard, mouse and touch gestures for NVDA might explain it better.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION




Another way around the issue might be to define what the word means in
context so "gesture" could be used within the contextual definition.
Just a thought.


Ian Westerland





On 2/16/2019 10:51 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Yes we need a whole new word or phrase.
How about user input schemes or something like that?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bartholomew" <rlbart53@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:16 AM
Subject: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Hi,

The underlying explanation of what input gestures are is excellent and
understandable; however, for me, the issue isn't semantics per se but if the
top-level description isn't immediately obvious to the end-user, it has
failed in some way. In this case, the word gesture implies touch screens
and, so, discouraged me from finding the time to delve into an area which I
thought wasn't relevant to me. A personal failing I admit but we all have
demands upon our time so if we can weed out what we think are unnecessary
diversions, it's often the pragmatic way to go!

I accept that this whole area is a minefield as you can please some of the
people, some of the time, etc, etc, etc!

Good luck!

Richard Bartholomew

Bianka and others,
While I haven't used these yet, as I've only been made aware of them today, I'll pass on two captcha solvers to you.
One of them is called Buster. <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/buster-captcha-solver-for/mpbjkejclgfgadiemmefgebjfooflfhl?hl=en>
The other is called anti-Captcha Solver. <https://antcpt.com/eng/home.html>
Again, I haven't had a chance to try them out but I hope to do so shortly. I'm also planning to add a page to my Web site listening current as well as discontinued captcha solvers as I think such a service is needed.
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 2/15/2019 4:58 AM, Bianka Brankovic wrote:

Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am wondering if there are affordable captcha solving services which are accessible with NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

Can you give an example of a site?  How does NVdA read these links.  What should people look for when looking at the page?

A number of sites are now using graphics that  contain links. How do you activate these links using NVDA               ?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Hi Chris, I'm contacting you because I've read that you are the IT
contact for the Medium site. If you are not the right person I should be
emailing, let me know who the correct person is.

I'm a totally blind user who is also making some money through the
Medium partner program. As it stands, there are a lot of easily fixable
accessibility issues that are preventing me from publishing on the site
fully. I've been consistently bringing desktop accessibility issues to
your attention but have heard no progress or updates about it after one
accessibility improvement made to the IOS application some months ago.
I’d like to point out the various issues I have on the desktop. If you
fix these, your site will be far more accessible for everyone.

1. Forms are not labeled. This happens all across the site. Edit fields
are not labeled and don't have their title attribute associated with
the field name. This is a consistent problem, especially when trying
to create a publication. Because of this, your electronic W9 form is
completely inaccessible. I had to get sighted assistance to fill it
out, per your requirements to keep earning money through the program.
2. Keyboard focus isn't consistent. For a screen reader user, editing
and writing stories is extremely challenging because keyboard focus
and keyboard controls aren't always persistent. Many controls on
your site can't be accessed via the keyboard, such as the genre
selection when creating a publication. There's too many to list, but
very few buttons and controls can be accessed via the keyboard.
3. Dialog boxes are not accessible to screen readers. Focus isn't drawn
to the dialog boxes and leaves screen readers stuck, unable to even
opt into the medium partner program when editing a story. This
happens all across the site.
4. The main editor isn't keyboard accessible. To a screen reader user,
the compose a story window has two multiline edit fields that are
not labeled. The second edit field, however, is a dud, and does not
even show up visually on the site, so a screen reader user could be
typing in a phantom edit field and publish a blank story.
5. No alt text option. Give writers the option to add alt text to their
images. At the moment, this function doesn't exist on your site.

I look forward to hearing how and when you will address these
accessibility issues that have been persistent for more than a year. I’d
be more than happy to do a zoom session with you so we can talk about
these in more depth and give you a live demonstration.

Another way around the issue might be to define what the word means in
context so "gesture" could be used within the contextual definition. Just
a thought.

Yes we need a whole new word or phrase.
How about user input schemes or something like that?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bartholomew" <rlbart53@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:16 AM
Subject: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Hi,

The underlying explanation of what input gestures are is excellent and
understandable; however, for me, the issue isn't semantics per se but if the
top-level description isn't immediately obvious to the end-user, it has
failed in some way. In this case, the word gesture implies touch screens
and, so, discouraged me from finding the time to delve into an area which I
thought wasn't relevant to me. A personal failing I admit but we all have
demands upon our time so if we can weed out what we think are unnecessary
diversions, it's often the pragmatic way to go!

I accept that this whole area is a minefield as you can please some of the
people, some of the time, etc, etc, etc!

Good luck!

Richard Bartholomew

Hi,
You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I can't
guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may encounter as a
result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer features may become
more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to Windows
XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for turning off an
accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident screen reader trainers
(Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes, it would be wise to move on
from XP if trying to perform certain productivity and web browsing tasks (XP
was a massive target of a ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request
to consider turning off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of
stability under XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not
the answer you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA
developers can do now).
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message---


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i decided
to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on windows
7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t be
enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs and
regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <kingettr@gmail.com
<mailto:kingettr@gmail.com> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word, and
since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't this be
on by default after1901?

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali