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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hey, here’s a thought.  If your device doesn’t have any way of using touch, could that not be detected and thus, the options hidden?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: 16 February 2019 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi

 

this might be a dum question or maybe not.

 

I was looking through the input gestures for nvda and most are for the keyboard for desk top and lap top but there is also a section small as it is for touch gestures.

 

if some one had a device where they can do touch gestures is it this section also where they asign them?

 

When you go to the input gesture help section in the user manual it mentions more for keyboard and braile displays is the touch gestures the etc part?

 

Gene nz

 

On 16/02/2019 12:21 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi jean,

 

I think maybe they should be separated.  Keyboard Commands, Touch Gestures, not all lumped into one.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 February 2019 00:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

The problem is, what should this array of ways of input be called?  Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.  This is just one more example of the decline of English.  Apps and applications, two different things, are used increasingly interchangeably.  the language in general is becoming less precise and accurate and this is just one area.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 6:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Input gestures are more abstract

Which is precisely the problem.  Callin something that is intimately familiar to the typical end user, and when it's currently the only method (regardless of keyboard being used), something "more abstract" is not the way to go. 

The folks at NV Access are far from the only software developers to go this route.   Almost every time it's the route taken it makes things more opaque to the target demographic, which is why it should be avoided in the first place.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Why not separate them?  Or is that too black and white?  Keyboard Shortcuts, Input Gestures, etc.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 16 February 2019 00:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,

Input gestures are more abstract – in that it includes not only keyboard commands, but also represents other input possibilities such as braille display buttons and touchscreen gestures (and perhaps one day, voice).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I think for me that some of the problems with NVDA is that its terminology like this instance, deviates from that of other screen readers.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Bartholomew
Sent: 15 February 2019 23:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Yes, I must admit to not bothering to look into this as I, too, assumed the gestures were to do with touch screens!  I should have learned by now not to assume anything!

 

 

Regards

Richard Bartholomew

 


On 15 Feb 2019, at 23:21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I’ll check it out.  Last I checked some time ago, it didn’t do as much as JAWS, but it could be that it’s been updated.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 15 February 2019 22:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi!

I use Golden cursor all the time to access software that I could not any other way!

After you install the add-on, you can choose the number of pixels you want to move by in any direction.

When you press:

Windows+NVDA+P, you hear, in pixels, where the mouse pointer is on the screen.

The x coordinate is first, and Y is second.

You can save pixel positions of where you want to go.

Golden cursor allows you to do much more with the mouse than JAWS.

That add-on is the key to what you want.

Golden cursor is my favorite add-on that I use the most!

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi

 

The golden cursor can do that and more. It can also do i think you call them hot points etc

 

 

I think there is also a restricted mode where you can only use the mouse with in a certain area or make it un restricted so it is not.

I am sure i read a reference to that.

 

It can be found on the nvda add ons page.

 

Gene nz

 

On 15/02/2019 10:09 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.














--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

It’s certainly more complicated than it needs to be and different to other screen readers.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of AKH AKH
Sent: 15 February 2019 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Is there a tutorial about how to get the best out of mouse control using NVDA?  It all sounds complicated.

 

Andrew

 

On 15/02/2019 15:20, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

I couldn’t agree more, NVDA is absolutely fine for the majority, I only point out differences in my workflow, there are some programs that are very difficult with NVDA, like Sage Accounting for Windows, which JAWS handles much better.  Mostly because you need to do a lot of mousing, and you’re dealing with a lot of custom controls.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 February 2019 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

You will see this discussed in terms of the Golden Cursor add-on in messages by others.  I haven't used it. 

 

What you are demonstrating, by implication, is that NVDA isn't as good in some ways for highly technical and some employment uses.  But, it should be pointed out, that for the majority of users, NVDA will meet their needs as well.  I don't know if NVDA will develop these abilities in future. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.














 

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Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Steve Nutt
 

Thanks Brian.  I have unticked conversation view now, it’s too clumsy with screen readers in my view.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 15 February 2019 15:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

Steve,

           I do not know of a shortcut to expand or collapse all conversations/threads.  The default in Outlook 2016 is to expand only a single conversation that has focus, and when you exit that conversation it automatically collapses again.  Or at least that's how it's working on my Outlook 2016 that's part of Office 2016 Pro Plus, and I know I haven't tweaked any default behaviors with regard to conversation handling.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Robert Geoffroy
 

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways. How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using. What is your program?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


Re: Using PCloud with NVDA

john s
 

Trix, I should have said, navigate to your PCloud drive.

At 04:57 AM 2/17/2019, john s, wrote:
Trix, you should be able to do it from Windows Explorer. Just navigate to your PCloud directory.

At 12:28 PM 2/16/2019, Rich DeSteno, wrote:
Is anyone using PCloud with NVDA? I want to know the best way to save and delete files in PCloud with NVDA.

--
Rich De Steno

John


John


Re: Graphics that contain links

greg@...
 

OK, www.photographyoptions.com is a better example.  I have learned that after the page has loaded, you can use the down / up arrow alternating with a single mouse click anywhere on the page to move up and down a series of thumbnail graphics, with the tooltip for each one being announced.  First one is "The Cal Ripken Experience - which is a baseball complex in Pigeon Forge, TN - so my tooltip here is inadequate," 2nd, 3rd, and 4th are "Wear Farm Park."  Each of these four panoramas has buttons inside that provide an alternate way to navigate to the previous or next panorama.  The buttons have the exact same tooltip as the corresponding thumbnail graphic.  What confuses me is that in odd instances, when I first land on the page the focus goes fairly quickly to a combobox and NVDA starts announcing that list which is selectable. Then, once you select an item to get to the thumbnail graphics, you can use the down/up arrow in combination with one or sometimes two mouse clicks to move from graphic to graphic.  Would alternating mouse clicks with down/up arrow be off-putting to most NVDA end users?  What Travis Siegel has said about "moving on" if the process becomes too difficult comes to mind here.
--
Greg Hosler

www.photographyoptions.com

Greg@...

865-774-9755


Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Gene
 

There are ways.  How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using.  What is your program?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

 
  











Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Robert Geoffroy
 

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


Re: Graphics that contain links

Gene
 

I may have seen this discussed on a list, I don't remember which one, before.  But are you discussing a link in an e-mail message you are trying to follow or a link on a page?  It is important to be precise in such matters.  If this is the same site I saw discussed before, the site is accessible, but the e-mail links aren't, or may not be.  I don't think any solution was given to work with such images.
 
I may have an idea of how you can find the page, so if you send us the text describing the petition you want to get to, I can see if the idea works.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

                                It is a petition site called 38 degrees. It used to be ok but for the last cuple of months or so, when you go to the link to sign the petitiom it says graphic wrecked angle contains links.,

 

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From: Gene
Sent: 15 February 2019 12:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

Can you give an example of a site?  How does NVdA read these links.  What should people look for when looking at the page?

 

It is important to give a page, if possible, when asking about an accessibility problem where a page doesn't work as expected.

 

Gene

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Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

A number of sites are now using graphics that  contain links. How do you activate these links using NVDA               ?

 

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Re: Using Office Products with UIA

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As an aside with this.
1. if one puts this into the console in a portable version, does this only apply to that version
2. Should one be able to see any difference in a portable version, given that it has no access to the resources being installed gives it?
3. Why when one types the whole thing in can one only see the first part, ie the first line up to the end of import config?

4. Given that one cannot see the rest, then does the command really work, or is there something wrong with the console.
IE I've tried this on a couple of snaps of recent versions and although only slight I'd suggest that it has a beneficial effect on two issues in windows 7. IE the opened folder announcement works reliable and
More reliable page reading in Firefox when it has to load in a big page.

These may well be just the way things go, but I thought I'd ask as if it does speed some things up, there might be some kind of speed up in disabling it for some actions via an app module of some kind if windows 7 is in use.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 6:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA


Hi,
Before I show you how to do it, I'm going to warn you that, once UIA is turned off, you may experience oddities. If you feel that NVDA is acting odd for some reason, and if it turns out turning off UIA is to blame, then you MUST turn UIA on and NEVER, EVER turn off UIA again (and if you do then ask for instructions on how to turn off UIA, then I will definitely say, "sorry, I gave you warnings, but perhaps your heart didn't see it coming").
To toggle UIA support:
1. Press Control+NVDA+Z to open Python Console.
2. Type the following as exactly as I show you:

import config
config.conf["UIA"]["enabled"] = False

3. Press Enter, then press Escape to close, then restart NVDA.
4. To enable UIA, repeat the above steps, but replace "False" with "True".

The above procedure may produce side effects, such as oddities, NVDA announcing extra things or not announcing things as it should and so on. The above procedure should NEVER be attempted on Windows 8 and later because NVDA relies on UIA for crucial tasks such as announcing Start search suggestions, reading toast notifications, and for Windows 10, making your lives easier when using various Windows 10 apps (including current iteration of Microsoft Edge). You are warned.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 9:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi.
thanks for replying me.
how can i modify configuration file?
i wish to turn off uia in windows 7 if one day i can access a system with windows 7 and just use msaa on windows 7 like windows xp!
i someday tried windows 7 and i was unsatisfied of uia and wish to have msaa forever.

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
You can sort of do this (modifying the configuration file), though I
can't guarantee if that will resolve all sorts of problems you may
encounter as a result. For instance, although certain Windows Explorer
features may become more "usable", it may not solve some problems you might be having.
Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't really count on going back to
Windows XP days, or for that matter, use that as a justification for
turning off an accessibility API. As noted by at least two resident
screen reader trainers (Gene and Brian), for all practical purposes,
it would be wise to move on from XP if trying to perform certain
productivity and web browsing tasks (XP was a massive target of a
ransomware in 2017). Thus, personally, the request to consider turning
off UIA in favor of MSAA just because of appearance of stability under
XP is hereby denied (sorry; I do know it will come as not the answer
you are looking for, but there's nothing I and other NVDA developers can do now).
Cheers,
Joseph


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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA

hi joseph.
i have a question about uia.
can you please teach me how to disable uia in windows 7 if one day i
decided to use windows 7 or use a computer of someone who uses windows 7?
i wish to disable uia in windows 7 and configure nvda to use msaa on
windows
7 as nvda uses msaa on windows xp.
i really need this change and i am waiting for your help, God bless you!

On 2/16/19, Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,

At least to answer Robert’s question through this one: no, it won’t
be enabled by default, as NVDA developers and some testers found bugs
and regressions with UIA on.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 5:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using Office Products with UIA



I agree, this makes reading even complex word documents as quick as
reading a mere Notepad window, making Word actually enjoyable to use.
I hope that all other Office programs start using this too.


Devin Pratersent from Gmail.





On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 6:17 AM Robert Kingett <@blindjourno
<mailto:@blindjourno> > wrote:

If this will become a much wanted method of interacting with word,
and since Microsoft will continue making better support, shouldn't
this be on by default after1901?







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Re: Graphics that contain links

greg@...
 

Brian,

Here's an example:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/degray/tour.html.  When you land on the page, the up and down arrows should enable you to navigate up and down a combobox menu.  If you select the "Visitor Center" option you will be at the first of a series of 10 or so panoramic images of the Visitor Center.  There is a youtube link in the first "Visitor Center" panorama. Is there a way to find it with NVDA? I have a tooltip associated with each of the 10 panoramas, but forgetting the youtube link inside the first one, I can't figure out if it there is a keystroke scheme to move through the 10 panoramas, and then, back to the combobox menu.
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Greg Hosler

www.photographyoptions.com

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Re: CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

 

Actually, I always found it too strange that this option was called "gestures", simply because, for me,  it means what it would mean out of the computer/programming world.
That is, a gesture is a gesture, isn't it? So I'm thinking, well here we should have the touch commands, why are the keyboard ones here as well?
And I'm into geeky stuff, sometimes dare myself programming some small things. I hope I'm not the only one geek with this understanding of things!

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/02/2019 06:37, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:

I think the issue though is when you see the word Gesture, you may not understand it as anything but a physical motion, ie making a rude sign or whatever, Its not universally known by this name for interaction with anything but touch sscreens based on my unscientific  study of half a dozen blind computer users!

A headinglike  keyboard, mouse and touch gestures for NVDA might explain it better.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION




Another way around the issue might be to define what the word means in
context so "gesture" could be used within the contextual definition.
Just a thought.


Ian Westerland





On 2/16/2019 10:51 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Yes we need a whole new word or phrase.
How about user input schemes or something like that?
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 10:16 AM
Subject: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION


Hi,

The underlying explanation of what input gestures are is excellent and
understandable; however, for me, the issue isn't semantics per se but if the
top-level description isn't immediately obvious to the end-user, it has
failed in some way. In this case, the word gesture implies touch screens
and, so, discouraged me from finding the time to delve into an area which I
thought wasn't relevant to me. A personal failing I admit but we all have
demands upon our time so if we can weed out what we think are unnecessary
diversions, it's often the pragmatic way to go!

I accept that this whole area is a minefield as you can please some of the
people, some of the time, etc, etc, etc!

Good luck!

Richard Bartholomew




















Re: Captcha solving services and NVDA

Simone Dal Maso
 

hello,
anticaptcha have a little problem, that the installation is not user friendly.
Google Chrome removed the extensions from its store, so the unique way is installing manually, as described in the website.
Anyway, it is a good idea and thanks for having reported it.

Buster instead is an extension that works only if captcha has some accessibility methods provided by the captcha system. It works only for example if there is the audio challenge.
So, at 90% of the time it is an unuseful extension...

Il 16/02/2019 04:16, David Goldfield ha scritto:
Bianka and others,
While I haven't used these yet, as I've only been made aware of them today, I'll pass on two captcha solvers to you.
One of them is called Buster. <https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/buster-captcha-solver-for/mpbjkejclgfgadiemmefgebjfooflfhl?hl=en>
The other is called anti-Captcha Solver. <https://antcpt.com/eng/home.html>
Again, I haven't had a chance to try them out but I hope to do so shortly. I'm also planning to add a page to my Web site listening current as well as discontinued captcha solvers as I think such a service is needed.
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 2/15/2019 4:58 AM, Bianka Brankovic wrote:
Hello all,

as Webvisum, at least to my knowledge, has been discontinued, I am wondering if there are affordable captcha solving services which are accessible with NVDA?

Anny input on this is highly appreciated.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka




Re: Graphics that contain links

Peter Beasley
 

                                It is a petition site called 38 degrees. It used to be ok but for the last cuple of months or so, when you go to the link to sign the petitiom it says graphic wrecked angle contains links.,

 

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From: Gene
Sent: 15 February 2019 12:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

Can you give an example of a site?  How does NVdA read these links.  What should people look for when looking at the page?

 

It is important to give a page, if possible, when asking about an accessibility problem where a page doesn't work as expected.

 

Gene

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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 5:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

A number of sites are now using graphics that  contain links. How do you activate these links using NVDA               ?

 

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Re: Using PCloud with NVDA

john s
 

Trix, you should be able to do it from Windows Explorer. Just navigate to your PCloud directory.

At 12:28 PM 2/16/2019, Rich DeSteno, wrote:
Is anyone using PCloud with NVDA? I want to know the best way to save and delete files in PCloud with NVDA.

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Re: Accessibility problems with Medium.

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I take it this is the text of a personal email you sent to the site?
Unfortunately so many sights simply do not get it, shall we say, it will be interesting to see if they do. My guess is that somebody in control at the site sees this as niche and not the discrimination others see it ass.

Brian

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From: "Robert Kingett" <@blindjourno>
To: <chris@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2019 2:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] Accessibility problems with Medium.


Hi Chris, I'm contacting you because I've read that you are the IT
contact for the Medium site. If you are not the right person I should be
emailing, let me know who the correct person is.

I'm a totally blind user who is also making some money through the
Medium partner program. As it stands, there are a lot of easily fixable
accessibility issues that are preventing me from publishing on the site
fully. I've been consistently bringing desktop accessibility issues to
your attention but have heard no progress or updates about it after one
accessibility improvement made to the IOS application some months ago.
I’d like to point out the various issues I have on the desktop. If you
fix these, your site will be far more accessible for everyone.

1. Forms are not labeled. This happens all across the site. Edit fields
are not labeled and don't have their title attribute associated with
the field name. This is a consistent problem, especially when trying
to create a publication. Because of this, your electronic W9 form is
completely inaccessible. I had to get sighted assistance to fill it
out, per your requirements to keep earning money through the program.
2. Keyboard focus isn't consistent. For a screen reader user, editing
and writing stories is extremely challenging because keyboard focus
and keyboard controls aren't always persistent. Many controls on
your site can't be accessed via the keyboard, such as the genre
selection when creating a publication. There's too many to list, but
very few buttons and controls can be accessed via the keyboard.
3. Dialog boxes are not accessible to screen readers. Focus isn't drawn
to the dialog boxes and leaves screen readers stuck, unable to even
opt into the medium partner program when editing a story. This
happens all across the site.
4. The main editor isn't keyboard accessible. To a screen reader user,
the compose a story window has two multiline edit fields that are
not labeled. The second edit field, however, is a dud, and does not
even show up visually on the site, so a screen reader user could be
typing in a phantom edit field and publish a blank story.
5. No alt text option. Give writers the option to add alt text to their
images. At the moment, this function doesn't exist on your site.

I look forward to hearing how and when you will address these
accessibility issues that have been persistent for more than a year. I’d
be more than happy to do a zoom session with you so we can talk about
these in more depth and give you a live demonstration.