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Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Gene
 

Not necessarily.  As I understand it, it may depend on how the e-mail list is configured.  it also depends on what the e-mail program shows. 
Using Windows Live Mail, I only see the name in the reply from line.  On this list, I can get the sender's address in other ways, but those ways depend on the program itself.  If you see the address as you describe, what program are you using?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 7:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

To find the email address of a sender to the group:
1) Create a forwarded message by typing CTRL + F, or however you choose to do so.
2) Navigate to the message body, and arrow down to the header information of the original message and find the line that begins with “From”.
3) This line contains the senders email address.

This should work in all email clients, including all versions of Outlook.

HTH

- Brad -




On Feb 17, 2019, at 06:11, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't use Outlook but someone who does will likely provide information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways.  How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using.  What is your program?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

 
  

















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Peter Beasley
 

 

 

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Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Brad Snyder
 

To find the email address of a sender to the group:
1) Create a forwarded message by typing CTRL + F, or however you choose to do so.
2) Navigate to the message body, and arrow down to the header information of the original message and find the line that begins with “From”.
3) This line contains the senders email address.

This should work in all email clients, including all versions of Outlook.

HTH

- Brad -




On Feb 17, 2019, at 06:11, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't use Outlook but someone who does will likely provide information.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways.  How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using.  What is your program?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

 
  

















Quick reminder on MS Word

luke scholey
 

Hi all

I know this was mentioned quite a bit last year on the list, but could someone just remind me how to stop NVDA from being so sluggish when reading large documents with Word? I’m using latest NVDA and word 2016 and it takes NVDA a few seconds to respond when typing and reading.

Thanks
Luke

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Re: Accessibility problems with Medium.

 

Yes, I just wanted the NVDA community to see what I've been up to. :) And, I'm still working on Patreon's accessibility too. I should have told TB to send a read receipt when sending these out, but this was my second time writing this because gmail, or TB, gave a, server busy! Error so had to do this all over again. If they don't reply within a week, I'll start making phone calls.


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

AKH AKH
 

Hi David


Do you think this Golden Cursor might give me access to a video editing app, where accessing the time line is impossible with NVDA?


Andrew


On 17/02/2019 11:59, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi,

 

I’ll check it out.  Last I checked some time ago, it didn’t do as much as JAWS, but it could be that it’s been updated.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 15 February 2019 22:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi!

I use Golden cursor all the time to access software that I could not any other way!

After you install the add-on, you can choose the number of pixels you want to move by in any direction.

When you press:

Windows+NVDA+P, you hear, in pixels, where the mouse pointer is on the screen.

The x coordinate is first, and Y is second.

You can save pixel positions of where you want to go.

Golden cursor allows you to do much more with the mouse than JAWS.

That add-on is the key to what you want.

Golden cursor is my favorite add-on that I use the most!

David Moore

 

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From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi

 

The golden cursor can do that and more. It can also do i think you call them hot points etc

 

 

I think there is also a restricted mode where you can only use the mouse with in a certain area or make it un restricted so it is not.

I am sure i read a reference to that.

 

It can be found on the nvda add ons page.

 

Gene nz

 

On 15/02/2019 10:09 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.














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Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Gene
 

I don't use Outlook but someone who does will likely provide information.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways.  How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using.  What is your program?
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

 
  
















Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hey, here’s a thought.  If your device doesn’t have any way of using touch, could that not be detected and thus, the options hidden?

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: 16 February 2019 01:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi

 

this might be a dum question or maybe not.

 

I was looking through the input gestures for nvda and most are for the keyboard for desk top and lap top but there is also a section small as it is for touch gestures.

 

if some one had a device where they can do touch gestures is it this section also where they asign them?

 

When you go to the input gesture help section in the user manual it mentions more for keyboard and braile displays is the touch gestures the etc part?

 

Gene nz

 

On 16/02/2019 12:21 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi jean,

 

I think maybe they should be separated.  Keyboard Commands, Touch Gestures, not all lumped into one.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 16 February 2019 00:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

The problem is, what should this array of ways of input be called?  Maybe input commands, which would cover everything.  This is just one more example of the decline of English.  Apps and applications, two different things, are used increasingly interchangeably.  the language in general is becoming less precise and accurate and this is just one area.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 6:15 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 07:06 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Input gestures are more abstract

Which is precisely the problem.  Callin something that is intimately familiar to the typical end user, and when it's currently the only method (regardless of keyboard being used), something "more abstract" is not the way to go. 

The folks at NV Access are far from the only software developers to go this route.   Almost every time it's the route taken it makes things more opaque to the target demographic, which is why it should be avoided in the first place.
 
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Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Why not separate them?  Or is that too black and white?  Keyboard Shortcuts, Input Gestures, etc.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 16 February 2019 00:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi,

Input gestures are more abstract – in that it includes not only keyboard commands, but also represents other input possibilities such as braille display buttons and touchscreen gestures (and perhaps one day, voice).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I think for me that some of the problems with NVDA is that its terminology like this instance, deviates from that of other screen readers.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Bartholomew
Sent: 15 February 2019 23:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Yes, I must admit to not bothering to look into this as I, too, assumed the gestures were to do with touch screens!  I should have learned by now not to assume anything!

 

 

Regards

Richard Bartholomew

 


On 15 Feb 2019, at 23:21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Richard,

            I will admit that I, too, find the adoption of the terminology "input gestures" for what are almost universally dubbed "keyboard shortcuts" just plain weird.  But I also know that most developers of things that have keyboard shortcuts that are add-ons know that what they have chosen as a keyboard shortcut might conflict with something else that a user has on their system and include the ability to reassign shortcuts due to this.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

I’ll check it out.  Last I checked some time ago, it didn’t do as much as JAWS, but it could be that it’s been updated.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 15 February 2019 22:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi!

I use Golden cursor all the time to access software that I could not any other way!

After you install the add-on, you can choose the number of pixels you want to move by in any direction.

When you press:

Windows+NVDA+P, you hear, in pixels, where the mouse pointer is on the screen.

The x coordinate is first, and Y is second.

You can save pixel positions of where you want to go.

Golden cursor allows you to do much more with the mouse than JAWS.

That add-on is the key to what you want.

Golden cursor is my favorite add-on that I use the most!

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 2:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hi

 

The golden cursor can do that and more. It can also do i think you call them hot points etc

 

 

I think there is also a restricted mode where you can only use the mouse with in a certain area or make it un restricted so it is not.

I am sure i read a reference to that.

 

It can be found on the nvda add ons page.

 

Gene nz

 

On 15/02/2019 10:09 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.














--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 


Re: Some mouse navigation questions

Steve Nutt
 

It’s certainly more complicated than it needs to be and different to other screen readers.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of AKH AKH
Sent: 15 February 2019 15:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Is there a tutorial about how to get the best out of mouse control using NVDA?  It all sounds complicated.

 

Andrew

 

On 15/02/2019 15:20, Steve Nutt wrote:

Hi Jean,

 

I couldn’t agree more, NVDA is absolutely fine for the majority, I only point out differences in my workflow, there are some programs that are very difficult with NVDA, like Sage Accounting for Windows, which JAWS handles much better.  Mostly because you need to do a lot of mousing, and you’re dealing with a lot of custom controls.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 15 February 2019 09:30
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

You will see this discussed in terms of the Golden Cursor add-on in messages by others.  I haven't used it. 

 

What you are demonstrating, by implication, is that NVDA isn't as good in some ways for highly technical and some employment uses.  But, it should be pointed out, that for the majority of users, NVDA will meet their needs as well.  I don't know if NVDA will develop these abilities in future. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 3:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Hello Jean,

 

OK, those are precise movements, but you can’t physically move the mouse up down left or right a few pixels via the keyboard.  I’ve had to do this a few times.  JAWS has better mouse control from the keyboard.  For example, go into JAWS cursor and press Alt+Shift+up, down left or right, to move the mouse by a predefined number of pixels.

 

I’ve had to do this in custom software.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 14 February 2019 22:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

I haven't compared this to any extent and not for a long time.  It is my impression that JAWS is set by default, or can be set, to announce more graphics, at least in certain cases and that this may matter if you are trying to click on a clickable graphic.  But I'm not sure your distinction as to where things are on screen is correct. 

 

For example, in your example, you want to click on something on the left bottom of the screen.  There are screen review commands in NVDA to move you to the top line of the currewnt navigator object and to the bottom line of the navigator object.  There are commands to move you to the first character of the line you are on and the last character.  That is, the line you are on in the navigator object.

If I want to move to the bottom line, I would use shift 9 using the desktop layout.  If I want to move to the first character, I would then use shift 1. 

 

I can't be sure if this is the kind of thing you are describing you want NVDA to do, but it sounds as though that is part of it.  One thing NVDA doesn't have is a search the screen when in screen review feature.  This is an important feature that should be added. 

 

There are times you know a certain word or phrase is on a screen in a display with no cursor.  If you want to jump to it, you can't do so now.  If there were a find command, you could.

 

Gene

 

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

 

Again, you misunderstand what I am saying.

If you need to click on something at the bottom left hand side of the
screen, it is easier to do this with the JAWS cursor, than any feature of
NVDA.  Window-Eyes had it best of all, because it had live mouse keys all
the time.

You can move by graphic, or by clip, for example.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 14 February 2019 14:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, I do not  think there are any visual enhancements in nvda. The name
itself says it; Non visual display access.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-14-19 8:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

No, this is not true.  Either can be used well with the mouse, and you've
taken what I'm saying out of context.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: 13 February 2019 17:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some mouse navigation questions

Someone feel free to correct me if I am mistaken, but NVDA is designed so
that a low vision user can use the mouse.
JAWS, on the other hand, is strictly for someone that is totally blind.
Therefore, it would be less likely to be able to navigate by the mouse.














 

Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Steve Nutt
 

Thanks Brian.  I have unticked conversation view now, it’s too clumsy with screen readers in my view.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 15 February 2019 15:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

Steve,

           I do not know of a shortcut to expand or collapse all conversations/threads.  The default in Outlook 2016 is to expand only a single conversation that has focus, and when you exit that conversation it automatically collapses again.  Or at least that's how it's working on my Outlook 2016 that's part of Office 2016 Pro Plus, and I know I haven't tweaked any default behaviors with regard to conversation handling.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Robert Geoffroy
 

Hi, Gene,

Microsoft Outlook version 14.0.7229.5000

Thanks,

Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : dimanche 17 février 2019 12:37
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

There are ways. How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using. What is your program?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@...>
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


Re: Using PCloud with NVDA

john s
 

Trix, I should have said, navigate to your PCloud drive.

At 04:57 AM 2/17/2019, john s, wrote:
Trix, you should be able to do it from Windows Explorer. Just navigate to your PCloud directory.

At 12:28 PM 2/16/2019, Rich DeSteno, wrote:
Is anyone using PCloud with NVDA? I want to know the best way to save and delete files in PCloud with NVDA.

--
Rich De Steno

John


John


Re: Graphics that contain links

greg@...
 

OK, www.photographyoptions.com is a better example.  I have learned that after the page has loaded, you can use the down / up arrow alternating with a single mouse click anywhere on the page to move up and down a series of thumbnail graphics, with the tooltip for each one being announced.  First one is "The Cal Ripken Experience - which is a baseball complex in Pigeon Forge, TN - so my tooltip here is inadequate," 2nd, 3rd, and 4th are "Wear Farm Park."  Each of these four panoramas has buttons inside that provide an alternate way to navigate to the previous or next panorama.  The buttons have the exact same tooltip as the corresponding thumbnail graphic.  What confuses me is that in odd instances, when I first land on the page the focus goes fairly quickly to a combobox and NVDA starts announcing that list which is selectable. Then, once you select an item to get to the thumbnail graphics, you can use the down/up arrow in combination with one or sometimes two mouse clicks to move from graphic to graphic.  Would alternating mouse clicks with down/up arrow be off-putting to most NVDA end users?  What Travis Siegel has said about "moving on" if the process becomes too difficult comes to mind here.
--
Greg Hosler

www.photographyoptions.com

Greg@...

865-774-9755


Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Gene
 

There are ways.  How you do so may depend on the e-mail program you are using.  What is your program?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka

 
  











Re: Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Robert Geoffroy
 

Hi, Bianka and all,

Did you see my message, Bianka (replying tou yours)?

Is there a way to write directly to the sender instead of the group?

Have a nice Sunday, February 17, 2019
Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Robert Geoffroy
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 13:58
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hi, Bianka, and thank you!

You offer me to send you a private mail: am I supposed to find your email anywhere? I don't know the trick! Here is my addresse: Robert.geoffroy77@...

Best regards,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Bianka Brankovic
Envoyé : vendredi 15 février 2019 12:47
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Accessible dictionaries with NVDA

Hello Robert,

I have stopped using offline dictionaries alltogether as either dict.leo.org or lingue.com usually does the trick at least for English-German German-English.

I have heard of people being successful with the online versions oft the Pons dictionaries though.

Maybe, if you could elaborate a bit on your scenario there might be other ressources you could use to solve your current issue. Also, I might be able to support with other German ressources, please drop me a private message if this is of interest to you.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


Re: Graphics that contain links

Gene
 

I may have seen this discussed on a list, I don't remember which one, before.  But are you discussing a link in an e-mail message you are trying to follow or a link on a page?  It is important to be precise in such matters.  If this is the same site I saw discussed before, the site is accessible, but the e-mail links aren't, or may not be.  I don't think any solution was given to work with such images.
 
I may have an idea of how you can find the page, so if you send us the text describing the petition you want to get to, I can see if the idea works.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

                                It is a petition site called 38 degrees. It used to be ok but for the last cuple of months or so, when you go to the link to sign the petitiom it says graphic wrecked angle contains links.,

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: 15 February 2019 12:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

Can you give an example of a site?  How does NVdA read these links.  What should people look for when looking at the page?

 

It is important to give a page, if possible, when asking about an accessibility problem where a page doesn't work as expected.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 5:00 AM

Subject: [nvda] Graphics that contain links

 

A number of sites are now using graphics that  contain links. How do you activate these links using NVDA               ?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10