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Re: CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Jackie
 

Ryan, do you have any addons running w/NVDA? Because ctrl c does work
as expected. Also, do any of the apps at work hijack this keystroke?

On 2/20/19, Ryan Boudwin <ryanboudwin@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for me
for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind to
a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work again? It
works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin



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CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Ryan Boudwin
 

Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin


Trabnsklatiors, Interpreters & Revisers

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Anthony & List:

 

You would think the translator needs to know the language they translate into as their mother tongue, but a friend who is now a retired Translator, Interpreter & Reviser with the Debates Reporting Service tells me you want to translate from your “a” language into your B, C, and D etc. languages.’;

 

For example

 

A radio station had the slogan New York spells News.

 

What they really mean is New York means News or New York is always in the News.

 

My friend has had Spanish-speaking people say they want to translate for a law court. He said in many instances, they just do not know English well enough to translate Spanish-English. The person on trial may lose their case because they used a Spanish word with several meanings, the Judge hears the translation, but it does not reflect the subtleties of English.

 

I think this discussion of the subtleties of translation should be transferred to acb-chat@... or somewhere else, it is more appropriate than this NVDA list.

 

You do need to know both the original language and the one you are translating to flawlessly. My friend used to translate English-French, another interpreter did French-English.

 

He studied Spanish at one point and when he  wrote his exam one of the markers said if a speck of dust had landed on his answer book he would have become a qualified English-Spanish translator! He could likely interpret from French his “B” language into Spanish, but in the House of Commons, Parliament Hill, Ottawa, this is not recommended.

Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B.. A., C. T. M.

 


Re: CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Antony & List:

I am referring your query regarding whether a translator, interpreter & reviser need to know the language the document or dialogue is in better than the language they are translating it into, or vice versa.

Mr. Alan Conway is a retired Translator, Interpreter & Reviser, that is, an editor of translated work retired from The Debates Reporting Service, House of Commons, Parliament Hill, and Ottawa, Ontario. They are the equivalent of The House Of Representatives, Capitol Hill, and Washington DC USA. In Portugal, they may be called The Chamber of Deputies or whatever the lower chamber of Parliament in Lisbon is called.

He has done much interpreting, translating & revising, if anyone can explain how Professional Translators, Interpreters & Revisers work, Alan is your person!

As this discussion is about translation, revision etc. I think we should move it to either a list focusing on these subjects or afcb-chat@acblists.org where almost anything may be discussed.


Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B.. A., C. T. M.


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Antony Stone
Sent: February 19, 2019 5:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

I believe this to be completely the wrong way round.

A professional translator should be a native speaker of the language they are
Translating TO and a very competent speaker of the language/s they are
Translating FROM.

The reason is simple - they are creating their own work in the destination
Language, and that needs to be flawless to another native speaker of that
Language. Anyone writing in a second language is going to make more mistakes
Alternatively, come up with more curious constructions than a native speaker is.


Antony.

On Tuesday 19 February 2019 at 11:14:18, Brian K. Lingard wrote:

Dear Rui & List:
Professional translators or interpreters and revisers, editors of
translated work, need to speak, read & write the language they are
interpreting from, normally their "A" language their Mother Tongue as
Well as their "B" or "C" language, they are translating to.

For this reason, a person translating an English user manual needs to
speak, read & write English as their Mother tongue. They would not
Normally be Portuguese. They must recognize the idioms of the language.

For example, a radio station with the slogan:
New York Spells NEWS might translate this into {Portuguese as New York
Means NEWS, or New York is always newsworthy! As opposed to the literal
Translation, New York spells NEWS!

In Spanish, it would be Nuevo York espelle Noticia! However, saying Nuevo
York is always worthy of Noticia might get the meaning across more
Accurately.

Friend of mine, a professional Interpreter translator & reviser, Engl0ish
Into French, interpreted a meeting about the switch as being about le
Commutator, a light switch. Partway through the meeting, it dawned on him
They were discussing a telephone-switching machine, not a light switch!
True it switches, but it connects telephone calls, does not turn the
Lights on or off! He said man, did he feel dumb@!

If the meeting had been about railways, it might have talked about the
Switch, however a railway switch, which lets a train, go from one track to
Another is also called Points or Track Points! If you hand a railway
Locomotive engineer a LIGHTSWITCH when he says he needs a switch, he will
explain he needs Points to go to another track, not something to turn the
Lights on and off! Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Rui
Fontes Sent: February 16, 2019 11:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION

Yes, if I can find a professional translator specialized in assistive
Technology the result should be good, but at least in Portugal we do not
have that...

Rui

Às 15:57 de 16/02/2019, Brian Vogel escreveu:
Rui,

No criticism of you, but of the "professional" translators

You
used: Attempts to do "literal translation" are about as
Unprofessional as you can get.

The job of a professional translator, which you are showing

Yourself to be in this context, is to bring the concept, in as much
Fullness as possible, across languages. That often involved very
Intentional choices to dump literal, word by word or even phrase by
Phrase translation. The object is to convey shared understanding, and
You are trying to do that admirably.

Then again, to give professional translators who may be

having difficulty here some credit, they are not tech geeks, either.
How would someone who has no idea of what "input gestures" is supposed
To convey be able to accurately translate it conceptually? In
Order to translate well you have to have some idea of the meaning, not
Just the written structure, of what it is you are translating.

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Re: Unable to set column header in office13 in windows10

Bernd Dorer
 

Hi,

your log should contain more lines. Which addons do you have installed?

Thanks

Bernd

Am 20.02.2019 um 12:58 schrieb Aravind R:

yes sir thank you very much. its working after disabling addons with
shortcut key insert+shift+c.
i thought it is problem with windows10 as i tried excel only after
installing all basic NVDA addons. today, i tried with jaws
insert+ctrl+alt+c which worked perfectly then i determined problem is
with some setting in NVDA.
Then as you suggested i disabled addon and its working now but its
getting crashed or not working after i enter into addon manager and
come out even without enabling any addon which is a big wonder to me.
This line is getting generated in log sir.
INFO - __main__ (17:21:59.049):


On 2/20/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Are you using NVDA 2018.4.1 or an alpha build?

When did you notice it stopped working (or had you not tried before?)

When you are trying to set headers, do you definitely only have one cell
selected? It won't work if you have more than one cell (only select that
cell that will be the first header - the leftmost cell for column headers
or topmost cell for row headers).

Are you using any add-ons? I'm not aware of any that should conflict with
this, but it could be worth trying restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled
just to check - press NVDA+Q, then down arrow to "restart NVDA with add-ons
disabled" and press ENTER, then try your spreadsheet again. If it works,
check for updates to your addons, or try enabling one at a time.

Otherwise, a copy of your log may help (you can find out more here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps) - feel free to
email to me at info@nvaccess.org directly.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:47 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear friends,

upto the insert+shift+c for setting column header is not working in
windows10 latest NVDA version where the row header key insert+shift+r
is working.
Kindly provide us the step to rectify this.

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Re: having problems with re capture demo page

 

I'm having the same issue.
However it may well be my adblocker as on the one of the latest messages Sarah said that she had to turn off her adblocker. I've never tried to do it, will try by the way.

Cheers,
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Em 20/02/2019 12:39, Buddy Brannan escreveu:

This is not correct at all. 

I have only one Google account, and have been getting this same message, mind you only when selecting “Get an audio challenge”, on both Chrome and Safari. Google have clearly broken something here. 

On Feb 19, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...> wrote:

The browser you're using has multiple Google accounts cookied. You have to visit the Google.com page and logout/remove any extra Google accounts. Then make sure only your main Google account is cookied on that browser.



On 2/19/2019 4:48 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having problems with re capture in this case he sent me a demo page and nvda reports unavailable in all editable sections it reads out the section. also down where you check the check box to say you are not a bot or what ever it is as soon as you check it it takes you to another page where it wants you to try and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one but then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other websites with capture .

What happens is that I get a message that says we can't process your query because a computer on your network might be sending automated queries. I don't believe anything here is doing that. I've read that one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that we're not a robot is to look at your mouse movements. But of course I'm not using a mouse so it might look like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree but let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also tried some other browsers same sort of results with the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo





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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


      




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Re: having problems with re capture demo page

Buddy Brannan
 

I’ve had several reports of this when I mentioned it on Facebook yesterday, so it really isn’t isolated. I have no popup blockers enabled. Regardless, it shouldn’t be happening at all, especially as it only seems to be with the audio CAPTCHA.


Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy@brannan.name
Mobile: (814) 431-0962

On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:43 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

I just did this 2 days ago when signing up for wwv, (no that is not a mis type) and did not get the issue. using safari, or in this case, used safari. I have seen this before. I was urged to allow pop ups by the tech support guys when I last got this. i did that and it worked. I then turned on my blocker afterwords.

On 20 Feb 2019, at 7:39, Buddy Brannan wrote:

This is not correct at all.

I have only one Google account, and have been getting this same message, mind you only when selecting “Get an audio challenge”, on both Chrome and Safari. Google have clearly broken something here.

On Feb 19, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

The browser you're using has multiple Google accounts cookied. You have to visit the Google.com page and logout/remove any extra Google accounts. Then make sure only your main Google account is cookied on that browser.



On 2/19/2019 4:48 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having problems with re capture in this case he sent me a demo page and nvda reports unavailable in all editable sections it reads out the section. also down where you check the check box to say you are not a bot or what ever it is as soon as you check it it takes you to another page where it wants you to try and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one but then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other websites with capture .

What happens is that I get a message that says we can't process your query because a computer on your network might be sending automated queries. I don't believe anything here is doing that. I've read that one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that we're not a robot is to look at your mouse movements. But of course I'm not using a mouse so it might look like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree but let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also tried some other browsers same sort of results with the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo





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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884 How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy@brannan.name
Mobile: (814) 431-0962






Re: having problems with re capture demo page

Sarah k Alawami
 

I just did this 2 days ago when signing up for wwv, (no that is not a mis type) and did not get the issue. using safari, or in this case, used safari. I have seen this before. I was urged to allow pop ups by the tech support guys when I last got this. i did that and it worked. I then turned on my blocker afterwords.

On 20 Feb 2019, at 7:39, Buddy Brannan wrote:

This is not correct at all.

I have only one Google account, and have been getting this same message, mind you only when selecting “Get an audio challenge”, on both Chrome and Safari. Google have clearly broken something here.

On Feb 19, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...> wrote:

The browser you're using has multiple Google accounts cookied. You have to visit the Google.com page and logout/remove any extra Google accounts. Then make sure only your main Google account is cookied on that browser.



On 2/19/2019 4:48 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having problems with re capture in this case he sent me a demo page and nvda reports unavailable in all editable sections it reads out the section. also down where you check the check box to say you are not a bot or what ever it is as soon as you check it it takes you to another page where it wants you to try and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one but then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other websites with capture .

What happens is that I get a message that says we can't process your query because a computer on your network might be sending automated queries. I don't believe anything here is doing that. I've read that one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that we're not a robot is to look at your mouse movements. But of course I'm not using a mouse so it might look like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree but let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also tried some other browsers same sort of results with the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo





--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884 How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy@...
Mobile: (814) 431-0962





Re: About accessable book reading apps

Sarah k Alawami
 

It's the one here

On 20 Feb 2019, at 7:19, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Sarah,
What's the Blind Techie list you are talking about? I guess it's the same I'm on, but I'm not sure about it, really.
If it's the same then I can confirm folks there are always kind, indeed.
However it's been a while since I didn't get anything from there, wonder if I'm still a member. Lol

Cheers,
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Re: having problems with re capture demo page

Buddy Brannan
 

This is not correct at all.

I have only one Google account, and have been getting this same message, mind you only when selecting “Get an audio challenge”, on both Chrome and Safari. Google have clearly broken something here.

On Feb 19, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Kenny <kwashingtonbox@gmail.com> wrote:

The browser you're using has multiple Google accounts cookied. You have to visit the Google.com page and logout/remove any extra Google accounts. Then make sure only your main Google account is cookied on that browser.



On 2/19/2019 4:48 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi guys

I was asked on another list if people are having problems with re capture in this case he sent me a demo page and nvda reports unavailable in all editable sections it reads out the section. also down where you check the check box to say you are not a bot or what ever it is as soon as you check it it takes you to another page where it wants you to try and pass either a text bassed one or a audio one but then gives you a message saying

Part of the message below. He gets this on other websites with capture .

What happens is that I get a message that says we can't process your query because a computer on your network might be sending automated queries. I don't believe anything here is doing that. I've read that one of the ways reCAPTCHA uses to try to tell that we're not a robot is to look at your mouse movements. But of course I'm not using a mouse so it might look like I'm a robot. Maybe some people might agree but let's not go there right now.

Is it on there side and they have broken it? I also tried some other browsers same sort of results with the latest stable version of nvda.

There is a link in the email to the demo page.

https://www.google.com/recaptcha/api2/demo





--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884 How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.




Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
Email: buddy@brannan.name
Mobile: (814) 431-0962


Re: About accessable book reading apps

Monte Single
 

The list blindtech@groups.io is indeed active and friendly.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: February-20-19 9:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] About accessable book reading apps

 

Sarah,
What's the Blind Techie list you are talking about? I guess it's the same I'm on, but I'm not sure about it, really.
If it's the same then I can confirm folks there are always kind, indeed.
However it's been a while since I didn't get anything from there, wonder if I'm still a member. Lol


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 12:12, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

Depending on the nature yes the list is high traffic. I personally love those but yeah we discuss book share, bard, over drive and more on there.

There is also a blind techies list I'm a part of where I did get some help with something already. Everyone ther is wonderful.

Take care

On 20 Feb 2019, at 7:07, Gene wrote:

I suspect the media lounge list, if it is not a closed list, is a high traffic list.  I would think for technical questions about reading books, a list like Blindtech or TechTalk would be more suitable, being general blindness technology discussion lists.  If you want subscription information for either list, ask here.

 

Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] About accessable book reading apps

 

You might want to subscribe to the media lounge discussion list for this. It's on google but i"m not sure it is public or not.

Take care

On 20 Feb 2019, at 6:52, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu wrote:

Hello,
I know that the subject is off topic for this group, but I don't know any mailing group that it would be suitable for and I thought that discussing book reading won't hurt us. if I crowd your inbox I'm sorry. 
first of all, just to satisfy my curiosity, how do you read or listen your books usually (e.g, which platform, what programs or apps, what kind of format in) and why?
for myself:
I usually get my books from Bookshare.org and read them with apple books Because it is very easy to use and acsessible. 
Secondly, I like Apple books very much. it is pretty easy to use. However, it is very anoying not to be able to sencronize it with my computor or other divices. I would much prefer having a library that I can reach from everywhere. Adobe digital edditions seems promising at first but IOS app doesn't work with voiceover at all and it has some important accessibility issues in windows with NVDA wich I can tolerate if I could have used it in my phone effectively. do you have any recommendations for a free or cheap app that I can use in at least windows and IOS with singronisation? highlighting text and bookmarking is very important for me too.
I am really sorry about this long post but I think discussing this issue will be a stimulating discussion and is important.
Best regards
 

 


Re: About accessable book reading apps

 

Sarah,
What's the Blind Techie list you are talking about? I guess it's the same I'm on, but I'm not sure about it, really.
If it's the same then I can confirm folks there are always kind, indeed.
However it's been a while since I didn't get anything from there, wonder if I'm still a member. Lol

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 20/02/2019 12:12, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

Depending on the nature yes the list is high traffic. I personally love those but yeah we discuss book share, bard, over drive and more on there.

There is also a blind techies list I'm a part of where I did get some help with something already. Everyone ther is wonderful.

Take care

On 20 Feb 2019, at 7:07, Gene wrote:

I suspect the media lounge list, if it is not a closed list, is a high traffic list.  I would think for technical questions about reading books, a list like Blindtech or TechTalk would be more suitable, being general blindness technology discussion lists.  If you want subscription information for either list, ask here.
 
Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] About accessable book reading apps

You might want to subscribe to the media lounge discussion list for this. It's on google but i"m not sure it is public or not.

Take care

On 20 Feb 2019, at 6:52, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu wrote:

Hello,
I know that the subject is off topic for this group, but I don't know any mailing group that it would be suitable for and I thought that discussing book reading won't hurt us. if I crowd your inbox I'm sorry. 
first of all, just to satisfy my curiosity, how do you read or listen your books usually (e.g, which platform, what programs or apps, what kind of format in) and why?
for myself:
I usually get my books from Bookshare.org and read them with apple books Because it is very easy to use and acsessible. 
Secondly, I like Apple books very much. it is pretty easy to use. However, it is very anoying not to be able to sencronize it with my computor or other divices. I would much prefer having a library that I can reach from everywhere. Adobe digital edditions seems promising at first but IOS app doesn't work with voiceover at all and it has some important accessibility issues in windows with NVDA wich I can tolerate if I could have used it in my phone effectively. do you have any recommendations for a free or cheap app that I can use in at least windows and IOS with singronisation? highlighting text and bookmarking is very important for me too.
I am really sorry about this long post but I think discussing this issue will be a stimulating discussion and is important.
Best regards
 


Re: About accessable book reading apps

Sarah k Alawami
 

Depending on the nature yes the list is high traffic. I personally love those but yeah we discuss book share, bard, over drive and more on there.

There is also a blind techies list I'm a part of where I did get some help with something already. Everyone ther is wonderful.

Take care

On 20 Feb 2019, at 7:07, Gene wrote:

I suspect the media lounge list, if it is not a closed list, is a high traffic list.  I would think for technical questions about reading books, a list like Blindtech or TechTalk would be more suitable, being general blindness technology discussion lists.  If you want subscription information for either list, ask here.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] About accessable book reading apps

You might want to subscribe to the media lounge discussion list for this. It's on google but i"m not sure it is public or not.

Take care

On 20 Feb 2019, at 6:52, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu wrote:

Hello,
I know that the subject is off topic for this group, but I don't know any mailing group that it would be suitable for and I thought that discussing book reading won't hurt us. if I crowd your inbox I'm sorry. 
first of all, just to satisfy my curiosity, how do you read or listen your books usually (e.g, which platform, what programs or apps, what kind of format in) and why?
for myself:
I usually get my books from Bookshare.org and read them with apple books Because it is very easy to use and acsessible. 
Secondly, I like Apple books very much. it is pretty easy to use. However, it is very anoying not to be able to sencronize it with my computor or other divices. I would much prefer having a library that I can reach from everywhere. Adobe digital edditions seems promising at first but IOS app doesn't work with voiceover at all and it has some important accessibility issues in windows with NVDA wich I can tolerate if I could have used it in my phone effectively. do you have any recommendations for a free or cheap app that I can use in at least windows and IOS with singronisation? highlighting text and bookmarking is very important for me too.
I am really sorry about this long post but I think discussing this issue will be a stimulating discussion and is important.
Best regards
 


Re: About accessable book reading apps

Gene
 

I suspect the media lounge list, if it is not a closed list, is a high traffic list.  I would think for technical questions about reading books, a list like Blindtech or TechTalk would be more suitable, being general blindness technology discussion lists.  If you want subscription information for either list, ask here.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] About accessable book reading apps

You might want to subscribe to the media lounge discussion list for this. It's on google but i"m not sure it is public or not.

Take care

On 20 Feb 2019, at 6:52, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu wrote:

Hello,
I know that the subject is off topic for this group, but I don't know any mailing group that it would be suitable for and I thought that discussing book reading won't hurt us. if I crowd your inbox I'm sorry. 
first of all, just to satisfy my curiosity, how do you read or listen your books usually (e.g, which platform, what programs or apps, what kind of format in) and why?
for myself:
I usually get my books from Bookshare.org and read them with apple books Because it is very easy to use and acsessible. 
Secondly, I like Apple books very much. it is pretty easy to use. However, it is very anoying not to be able to sencronize it with my computor or other divices. I would much prefer having a library that I can reach from everywhere. Adobe digital edditions seems promising at first but IOS app doesn't work with voiceover at all and it has some important accessibility issues in windows with NVDA wich I can tolerate if I could have used it in my phone effectively. do you have any recommendations for a free or cheap app that I can use in at least windows and IOS with singronisation? highlighting text and bookmarking is very important for me too.
I am really sorry about this long post but I think discussing this issue will be a stimulating discussion and is important.
Best regards
 


Re: About accessable book reading apps

Sarah k Alawami
 

You might want to subscribe to the media lounge discussion list for this. It's on google but i"m not sure it is public or not.

Take care

On 20 Feb 2019, at 6:52, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu wrote:

Hello,
I know that the subject is off topic for this group, but I don't know any mailing group that it would be suitable for and I thought that discussing book reading won't hurt us. if I crowd your inbox I'm sorry. 
first of all, just to satisfy my curiosity, how do you read or listen your books usually (e.g, which platform, what programs or apps, what kind of format in) and why?
for myself:
I usually get my books from Bookshare.org and read them with apple books Because it is very easy to use and acsessible. 
Secondly, I like Apple books very much. it is pretty easy to use. However, it is very anoying not to be able to sencronize it with my computor or other divices. I would much prefer having a library that I can reach from everywhere. Adobe digital edditions seems promising at first but IOS app doesn't work with voiceover at all and it has some important accessibility issues in windows with NVDA wich I can tolerate if I could have used it in my phone effectively. do you have any recommendations for a free or cheap app that I can use in at least windows and IOS with singronisation? highlighting text and bookmarking is very important for me too.
I am really sorry about this long post but I think discussing this issue will be a stimulating discussion and is important.
Best regards
 


About accessable book reading apps

UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu
 

Hello,
I know that the subject is off topic for this group, but I don't know any mailing group that it would be suitable for and I thought that discussing book reading won't hurt us. if I crowd your inbox I'm sorry. 
first of all, just to satisfy my curiosity, how do you read or listen your books usually (e.g, which platform, what programs or apps, what kind of format in) and why?
for myself:
I usually get my books from Bookshare.org and read them with apple books Because it is very easy to use and acsessible. 
Secondly, I like Apple books very much. it is pretty easy to use. However, it is very anoying not to be able to sencronize it with my computor or other divices. I would much prefer having a library that I can reach from everywhere. Adobe digital edditions seems promising at first but IOS app doesn't work with voiceover at all and it has some important accessibility issues in windows with NVDA wich I can tolerate if I could have used it in my phone effectively. do you have any recommendations for a free or cheap app that I can use in at least windows and IOS with singronisation? highlighting text and bookmarking is very important for me too.
I am really sorry about this long post but I think discussing this issue will be a stimulating discussion and is important.
Best regards
 


Re: Golden Cursor question

Gene
 

That's two different questions.  changing the format may be a problem at times, when dealing with sighted people as you say.  but the solution isn't to have the screen-reader not do what it does.  the solution is to teach blind people to find what they are looking for on the page without being reliant on sighted people's instructions.  for example, if the sighted person tells the person that add to cart is in the middle of the page, a little up from the center, an efficient way for a blind person to find it is to disregard the description.  Go to the top of the page and use the screen-reader's find command to search for add to cart or for cart or whatever you want that is expected to find the thing efficiently if the search can be done efficiently.
 
I may find it interesting when a wwell-intentioned sighted person tells me where he/she sees something on the screen.  I don't use the description to find the item.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

I disagree.  Changing the layout is interpreting of course it is.  It’s saying well here’s the info, in the format we think is right, not in the visual format.

 

Whether you like it or not, that is interpreting and becomes sometimes, a problem when interacting with sighted people.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 20 February 2019 10:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Changing the layout isn't interpreting.  Interpreting is when you do something like describe something in the screen-reader's own words.  But this doesn't change what is read.  It is changing the layout to make reading logical for blind people.  There is nothing wrong with this.  it has been done with great success since MSAA was introduced in the late Nineties for reading web pages efficiently.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Of course they are interpreting.  It reads the screen, but UIA changes the perceived layout of the screen.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 February 2019 18:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

What you are complaining about isn't screen interpreting.  it is a decision about what information is included and how you can move through it.  You may disagree with such decisions, but they aren't screen interpreting. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

OK, incorrect in so much that you can move the mouse, but only by routing it.

 

Window-Eyes could not only move by clip, but by graphic as well, this is really powerful.

 

If you told me to click on the third graphic from the top left on the screen, only Window-Eyes would allow me to do this.

 

Whatever happened to screen reading, as opposed to screen interpreting?  Don’t even get me started.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 February 2019 16:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

I know that Window-eyes and JAWS have ways of moving the mouse such as by pixels and in the case of Window-eyes, in some other way that I don't recall now, sort of by structure.  I remembered the term while reviewing my message.  it is by clip, as Window-eyes called it.  But both also allow for moving the mouse around the screen as you do in NVDA.  The difference is that in NVDA, you move the review position, then route the mouse to where you stop the review navigator. 

 

In JAWS, you could move the mouse to the word click.  In NVDA, you would move the review navigator to the word click, then route the mouse.  the mouse ends up in the same place.  I'm simply saying that your statement that the mouse can't be moved from the keyboard in NVDA is factually, not a matter of opinion, not correct.  I am not disagreeing that JAWS and
Window-eyes allow for different, more precise movements.  I'm also not arguing that the Golden Cursor add-on is necessary in NVDA to move the mouse in finer and more varied ways.  But your statement is factually incorrect. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:56 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi Jean,

 

But again, although you answered my question, it just proves to me that I couldn’t find what I wanted, because it is not there, that is moving the mouse using the keyboard.  This is there, if you download Golden Cursor, but I’ve had this in Window-Eyes for years, so I couldn’t imagine managing without it now.  It even exists in JAWS.  Even mouse search doesn’t currently exist in NVDA, so to me, this isn’t screen reading at its best at the moment.  That’s only to me, remember, just one guy who is an advanced screen reader user, and in that respect, as I’ve always said, NVDA, isn’t there yet.  I wish it would be.

 

Another example of this problem is the Izotope plug in installer.  NVDA doesn’t see the screen at all, nothing is read, so you have to OCR it.  When I install with JAWS, it sees the screen, and I can move the mouse to the Next button, but I can’t click it by tabbing nor object naving to it, because NVDA simply doesn’t see the screen, unless I OCR it.  JAWS sees it out of the box.  This is why I still maintain that video hooking is a necessary evil.

 

I know now that many programs use UIA now, so it’s less important, but the ability to manipulate the mouse via the keyboard, is still much needed when using custom apps.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 17:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.

 

There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.

 

To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  

 

If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.

 

Gene  

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

I disagree.  Changing the layout is interpreting of course it is.  It’s saying well here’s the info, in the format we think is right, not in the visual format.

 

Whether you like it or not, that is interpreting and becomes sometimes, a problem when interacting with sighted people.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 20 February 2019 10:13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Changing the layout isn't interpreting.  Interpreting is when you do something like describe something in the screen-reader's own words.  But this doesn't change what is read.  It is changing the layout to make reading logical for blind people.  There is nothing wrong with this.  it has been done with great success since MSAA was introduced in the late Nineties for reading web pages efficiently.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 2:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Of course they are interpreting.  It reads the screen, but UIA changes the perceived layout of the screen.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 February 2019 18:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

What you are complaining about isn't screen interpreting.  it is a decision about what information is included and how you can move through it.  You may disagree with such decisions, but they aren't screen interpreting. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 12:30 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

OK, incorrect in so much that you can move the mouse, but only by routing it.

 

Window-Eyes could not only move by clip, but by graphic as well, this is really powerful.

 

If you told me to click on the third graphic from the top left on the screen, only Window-Eyes would allow me to do this.

 

Whatever happened to screen reading, as opposed to screen interpreting?  Don’t even get me started.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 February 2019 16:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

I know that Window-eyes and JAWS have ways of moving the mouse such as by pixels and in the case of Window-eyes, in some other way that I don't recall now, sort of by structure.  I remembered the term while reviewing my message.  it is by clip, as Window-eyes called it.  But both also allow for moving the mouse around the screen as you do in NVDA.  The difference is that in NVDA, you move the review position, then route the mouse to where you stop the review navigator. 

 

In JAWS, you could move the mouse to the word click.  In NVDA, you would move the review navigator to the word click, then route the mouse.  the mouse ends up in the same place.  I'm simply saying that your statement that the mouse can't be moved from the keyboard in NVDA is factually, not a matter of opinion, not correct.  I am not disagreeing that JAWS and
Window-eyes allow for different, more precise movements.  I'm also not arguing that the Golden Cursor add-on is necessary in NVDA to move the mouse in finer and more varied ways.  But your statement is factually incorrect. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2019 9:56 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi Jean,

 

But again, although you answered my question, it just proves to me that I couldn’t find what I wanted, because it is not there, that is moving the mouse using the keyboard.  This is there, if you download Golden Cursor, but I’ve had this in Window-Eyes for years, so I couldn’t imagine managing without it now.  It even exists in JAWS.  Even mouse search doesn’t currently exist in NVDA, so to me, this isn’t screen reading at its best at the moment.  That’s only to me, remember, just one guy who is an advanced screen reader user, and in that respect, as I’ve always said, NVDA, isn’t there yet.  I wish it would be.

 

Another example of this problem is the Izotope plug in installer.  NVDA doesn’t see the screen at all, nothing is read, so you have to OCR it.  When I install with JAWS, it sees the screen, and I can move the mouse to the Next button, but I can’t click it by tabbing nor object naving to it, because NVDA simply doesn’t see the screen, unless I OCR it.  JAWS sees it out of the box.  This is why I still maintain that video hooking is a necessary evil.

 

I know now that many programs use UIA now, so it’s less important, but the ability to manipulate the mouse via the keyboard, is still much needed when using custom apps.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 17:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.

 

There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.

 

To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  

 

If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.

 

Gene  

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Unable to set column header in office13 in windows10

Aravind R
 

yes sir thank you very much. its working after disabling addons with
shortcut key insert+shift+c.
i thought it is problem with windows10 as i tried excel only after
installing all basic NVDA addons. today, i tried with jaws
insert+ctrl+alt+c which worked perfectly then i determined problem is
with some setting in NVDA.
Then as you suggested i disabled addon and its working now but its
getting crashed or not working after i enter into addon manager and
come out even without enabling any addon which is a big wonder to me.
This line is getting generated in log sir.
INFO - __main__ (17:21:59.049):

On 2/20/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Are you using NVDA 2018.4.1 or an alpha build?

When did you notice it stopped working (or had you not tried before?)

When you are trying to set headers, do you definitely only have one cell
selected? It won't work if you have more than one cell (only select that
cell that will be the first header - the leftmost cell for column headers
or topmost cell for row headers).

Are you using any add-ons? I'm not aware of any that should conflict with
this, but it could be worth trying restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled
just to check - press NVDA+Q, then down arrow to "restart NVDA with add-ons
disabled" and press ENTER, then try your spreadsheet again. If it works,
check for updates to your addons, or try enabling one at a time.

Otherwise, a copy of your log may help (you can find out more here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps) - feel free to
email to me at info@nvaccess.org directly.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:47 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear friends,

upto the insert+shift+c for setting column header is not working in
windows10 latest NVDA version where the row header key insert+shift+r
is working.
Kindly provide us the step to rectify this.

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Re: Unable to set column header in office13 in windows10

Quentin Christensen
 

Are you using NVDA 2018.4.1 or an alpha build?

When did you notice it stopped working (or had you not tried before?)

When you are trying to set headers, do you definitely only have one cell selected?  It won't work if you have more than one cell (only select that cell that will be the first header - the leftmost cell for column headers or topmost cell for row headers).

Are you using any add-ons?  I'm not aware of any that should conflict with this, but it could be worth trying restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled just to check - press NVDA+Q, then down arrow to "restart NVDA with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER, then try your spreadsheet again.  If it works, check for updates to your addons, or try enabling one at a time.

Otherwise, a copy of your log may help (you can find out more here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps) - feel free to email to me at info@... directly.

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 8:47 PM Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:
Dear friends,

upto the insert+shift+c for setting column header is not working in
windows10 latest NVDA version where the row header key insert+shift+r
is working.
Kindly provide us the step to rectify this.

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Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....





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