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From: Ryan Boudwin

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:54 PM

Subject: [nvda] CTRL-C doesn't work for copying text when NVDA is on

Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer works for copying text to the clipboard

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin

I really like the way Clip Contents Designer handles this. http://addons.nvda-project.org/files/get.php?file=ccd

On 2/20/2019 1:33 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Precisely. Clipspeak is the name of the add-on I was talking about.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 16:12, Mohamed escreveu:

I think you're referring to Clipspeak?

On 2/20/2019 12:56 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:

But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie

Precisely. Clipspeak is the name of the add-on I was talking about.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 20/02/2019 16:12, Mohamed escreveu:

I think you're referring to Clipspeak?

On 2/20/2019 12:56 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:

But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie

I think you're referring to Clipspeak?

On 2/20/2019 12:56 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:

But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie

I think you're referring to Clipspeak?

On 2/20/2019 12:56 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:

But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie

Using fake clipboard announcement it does exactly what you described. That is, it speaks the command regardless it has worked or not.
However, there is an add-on which also does exactly what you described after the first, I just can't remember its name right now.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 20/02/2019 14:49, Kwork escreveu:

But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie

But do any of these add-ons speak the result of the action itself, or just the keyboard command when pressed?

When I tried one, I realized that it would say "copied to clipboard," whether the action had been completed successfully or not. When I used to use JAWS, if the program said "copied" after pressing ctrl+c, I knew I could believe it. With the NVDA add-on, it spoke the action, but didn't know for sure if it worked or not, which many times it did not. If this has been somehow fixed, that would be a great aid as NVDA's silence can be somewhat irritating until verifying what's on the clipboard with NVDA+c. I'd love it to not only echo the key action.

Another thing I'd like to see in NVDA is for the first part of a large block of text being read out when NVDA+c is pressed. As of now it tells you the number of characters, but that's all. If you are moving large portions of text at a time, it would be nice to have some confirmation of at least some of it, maybe the first 100 characters or so. Even the full text would be ok as anything past what you'd want to hear can be easily silenced by the user with the control key.

Travis

On 2/20/2019 10:30 AM, Mallard wrote:

Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie

Well, weirdly enough, it does do this in Firefox, but not in Word,
Notepad, etc. They really should make that consistent, & they should
make it suchvvv that announcement could be toggled on/off as desired.

On 2/20/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:

I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't
announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste etc.).
What did you do to have these announcements?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:

It does announce "copy to clipboard".

On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you might
not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
Roger











On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:

Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin

I believe this to be completely the wrong way round.

A professional translator should be a native speaker of the language they are translating TO, and a very competent speaker of the language/s they are translating FROM.

The reason is simple - they are creating their own work in the destination language, and that needs to be flawless to another native speaker of that language.  Anyone writing in a second language is going to make more mistakes or come up with more curious constructions than a native speaker is.


Antony.

On Tuesday 19 February 2019 at 11:14:18, Brian K. Lingard wrote:

> Dear Rui & List:
> Professional translators or interpreters and revisers, editors of
> translated work, need to speak, read & write the language they are
> interpreting from, normally their "A" language, their Mother Tongue as
> Well as their "B" or "C" language they are translating to.
> > For this reason, a person translating an English user manual needs to
> speak, read & write English as their Mother tongue. They would not
> Normally be Portuguese. They must recognize the idioms of the language.
> > For example, a radio station with the slogan:
> New York Spells NEWS might translate this into {Portuguese as New York
> Means NEWS, or New York is always newsworthy! As opposed to the literal
> Translation, New York spells NEWS!
> > In Spanish, it would be Nuevo York espelle Noticia! However, saying Nuevo
> York is always worthy of Noticia might get the meaning across more
> Accurately.
> > Friend of mine, a professional Interpreter translator & reviser, Engl0ish
> Into French, interpreted a meeting about the switch as being about le
> Commutator, a light switch. Partway through the meeting, it dawned on him
> They were discussing a telephone-switching machine, not a light switch!
> True it switches, but it connects telephone calls, does not turn the
> Lights on or off! He said man, did he feel dumb@!
> > If the meeting had been about railways, it might have talked about the
> Switch, however a railway switch, which lets a train, go from one track to
> Another, is also called Points or Track Points! If you hand a railway
> Locomotive engineer a LIGHTSWITCH when he says he needs a switch, he will
> explain he needs Points to go to another track, not something to turn the
> Lights on and off! Brian K. Lingard VE3YI, Ab2JI, B. A., C. T. M.
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Rui
> Fontes Sent: February 16, 2019 11:15 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] CLARITY OF TERMINOLOGY AND DOCUMENTATION
>
> Yes, if I can find a professional translator specialized in assistive
> Technology the result should be good, but at least in Portugal we do not
> have that...
>
> Rui
>
> Às 15:57 de 16/02/2019, Brian Vogel escreveu:
> > Rui,
> >
> >           No criticism of you, but of the "professional" translators
> >
> > You
> > used:  Attempts to do "literal translation" are about as
> > Unprofessional as you can get.
> >
> >           The job of a professional translator, which you are showing
> >
> > Yourself to be in this context, is to bring the concept, in as much
> > Fullness as possible, across languages.  That often involved very
> > Intentional choices to dump literal, word by word or even phrase by
> > Phrase translation.  The object is to convey shared understanding, and
> > You are trying to do that admirably.
> >
> >            Then again, to give professional translators who may be
> >
> > having difficulty here some credit, they are not tech geeks, either.
> > How someone who has no idea of what “input gestures” would is supposed
> > To convey be able to accurately translate it conceptually?   In
> > Order to translate well you have to have some idea of the meaning, not
> > Just the written structure, of what it is you are translating.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian

--
#define SIX 1+five
#define NINE 8+1

In main() {
    Print("%d\n", SIX * NINE);
}
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Hello there,


Is it tha the command doesn't work, or that its result isn't announced?


There are some add-ons to make NVDA announce when text is copied to clipboard or pasted.


The one I use is called


FakeClipboardannouncement.


hth, ciao,

Ollie

I can confirm that, at least without an add-on to do it, NVDA doesn't
announce anything when we perform such operations (cut, copy, paste etc.).
What did you do to have these announcements?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 20/02/2019 14:13, Jackie escreveu:

It does announce "copy to clipboard".

On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you might
not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
Roger











On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:

Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin

It does announce "copy to clipboard".

On 2/20/19, Roger Stewart <paganus2@...> wrote:

I've been using NVDA since 2012 and never had this problem. However,
NVDA will not announce anything like "copied to clipboard" so you might
not think anything has happened, but it does still work normally. When
you paste the text, you'll find it all worked.
Roger











On 2/20/2019 10:54 AM, Ryan Boudwin wrote:

Hey everyone,

I recently swapped from JAWS to NVDA because it seems to work better
for me for certain web applications that I use for work.

However, whenever NVDA is running I have noticed that CTRL-C no longer
works for copying text to the clipboard.

Has anyone else ever had this problem? Is there a command I need to
bind to a different keystroke to make the normal copy functionality
work again? It works normally whenever NVDA is not running.

Best regards,

Ryan Boudwin