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Re: Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

Michel Such
 

Hi all,


I get the problem on some machines and not on some others.

Here, it seems that it does not happen on machines that have drectly been setup with 1809, but happen on those which have got to 1809 by upgrading previous versions.

But 5 machines are not enough to make sure.


Michel Such
Le 27/02/2019 à 17:21, Sarah k Alawami a écrit :

I've ben using 1809 for about 3 months now and have ot yet seen this issue. I've heard of it on this list somewhare though.

Take care

On 27 Feb 2019, at 4:42, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I have just upgraded from Windows 1803 to 1809 and now when I use the ~Windows Settings app I hear the following :

 

CN=Microsoft Windows, O=Microsoft Corporation, L=Redmond, S=Washington, C=US

 

It sounds like the type of thing a developer would put into a program when debugging to check variable contents at a particular point in execution.  Does anyone else get this?

 

Cheers

Chris


Re: Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

Sarah k Alawami
 

I've ben using 1809 for about 3 months now and have ot yet seen this issue. I've heard of it on this list somewhare though.

Take care

On 27 Feb 2019, at 4:42, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I have just upgraded from Windows 1803 to 1809 and now when I use the ~Windows Settings app I hear the following :

 

CN=Microsoft Windows, O=Microsoft Corporation, L=Redmond, S=Washington, C=US

 

It sounds like the type of thing a developer would put into a program when debugging to check variable contents at a particular point in execution.  Does anyone else get this?

 

Cheers

Chris


Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

 

It's also important here to make a distinction, and it's not a trivial one, between a combo box and a dropdown box.

A dropdown box allows you to make a selection from the dropdown list - that's it.  You may, in some implementations, get away with using the first letter of a choice to get to it quickly, but that's the equivalent of arrowing down to it.  You can't change it in any way, only select it.

A true combo box, hence its name, is a merger of an edit box and a dropdown list.  You can type in a combo box and it will accept the input.  Some do edit checks afterward to ensure that what's there matches one of the items in the dropdown list (most common), while others intentionally don't, so that the end user can essentially give an input that is not one of those things.

I've actually never paid close attention to whether dropdowns and combos are announced differently, but I have to believe they are since their behaviors are, while related, distinctly different.

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Re: How to Select a Link While n Browse Mode

 

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 04:32 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I'd be interested in what the page is and if the link is actually in focus
This is one of the things I keep begging people to include when questions like this come up.  They are almost impossible to answer in the abstract because there are so many potential scenarios that can cause misbehavior.

Unless this is occurring somewhere like an online banking page, where one must be logged in to get to it, and involves private information, please, please, please include the URL of the page in question, and the identification for the problematic link on that page.  That's the way any of us here can examine things to get an answer that's both fast, and accurate.
 
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Re: Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

Felix G.
 

Makes me wonder why that live region would be present on some systems
but not others. Windows can be interesting.
Best,
Felix

Am Mi., 27. Feb. 2019 um 16:59 Uhr schrieb Joseph Lee
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:


Hi,
A few weeks ago someone sent me a debug log of this problem, and it appears it is a live region text that is being read by NvDA. I can't reproduce this on my systems running 1809 and later, but that doesn't mean I have forgotten about this problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

Same here. Seems to be system-specific, though, as it does not happen for all installations of 1809. Most curious.
Best,
Felix

Am Mi., 27. Feb. 2019 um 15:56 Uhr schrieb molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@gmail.com>:

Hi.

I get the same thing when I open the settings app on my laptop and my tablet. Not sure why this is happening lol.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Mullins
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade



Hi

I have just upgraded from Windows 1803 to 1809 and now when I use the ~Windows Settings app I hear the following :



CN=Microsoft Windows, O=Microsoft Corporation, L=Redmond,
S=Washington, C=US



It sounds like the type of thing a developer would put into a program when debugging to check variable contents at a particular point in execution. Does anyone else get this?



Cheers

Chris






Re: Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

 

Hi,
A few weeks ago someone sent me a debug log of this problem, and it appears it is a live region text that is being read by NvDA. I can't reproduce this on my systems running 1809 and later, but that doesn't mean I have forgotten about this problem.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

Same here. Seems to be system-specific, though, as it does not happen for all installations of 1809. Most curious.
Best,
Felix

Am Mi., 27. Feb. 2019 um 15:56 Uhr schrieb molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@gmail.com>:

Hi.

I get the same thing when I open the settings app on my laptop and my tablet. Not sure why this is happening lol.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Mullins
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade



Hi

I have just upgraded from Windows 1803 to 1809 and now when I use the ~Windows Settings app I hear the following :



CN=Microsoft Windows, O=Microsoft Corporation, L=Redmond,
S=Washington, C=US



It sounds like the type of thing a developer would put into a program when debugging to check variable contents at a particular point in execution. Does anyone else get this?



Cheers

Chris


Re: Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

Felix G.
 

Same here. Seems to be system-specific, though, as it does not happen
for all installations of 1809. Most curious.
Best,
Felix

Am Mi., 27. Feb. 2019 um 15:56 Uhr schrieb molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@gmail.com>:


Hi.

I get the same thing when I open the settings app on my laptop and my tablet. Not sure why this is happening lol.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade



Hi

I have just upgraded from Windows 1803 to 1809 and now when I use the ~Windows Settings app I hear the following :



CN=Microsoft Windows, O=Microsoft Corporation, L=Redmond, S=Washington, C=US



It sounds like the type of thing a developer would put into a program when debugging to check variable contents at a particular point in execution. Does anyone else get this?



Cheers

Chris


Re: NVDA podcast or representative

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

That is what I think he is talking about. He would prefer having someone to talk to in a type of interview so that blind persons in Jamaica can be informed about what is available. They get no support from their government at all.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 9:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA podcast or representative

 

Hmmph you could always try the coolblindtech guys not sure if they would exactly do a cast on nvda necessarily but its worth a shot.

The guy may even get a spotlight cast back, its been a long time since they actuall broadcast anything themselves though there are articles and stuff going up every week so they aren't down and out.

For our own materials we aren't to shabby.

We have audio tutorials, whatsnews and nvda con archive casts as well as promo videos and the like joseph lee has done.

Could it be possible for us to have enough material to set something up if not a cast for ourselves we have enough archived materials  to blow our own trumpet.

Now I do co admin a site that does casts on a few things, but I use nvda for myself and not for everything under the sun.

Saying this, if this guydoesn't mind interviews himself or even depending on things a cast on something, tech@... is the guy's address of the guy that makes the cast I co run.

Weather he wants to do whatever is his call though I am just a site admin with a few articles thrown in.

We are looking for things to cast though, as its mostly security breaches and some braille and app casts on various things.

I havn't really had anything audio related to contribute for a little though.

 

 

On 27/02/2019 3:24 PM, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:

Earlier I was speaking with the President of the Montego Bay Society for the Blind. He is looking to speak with someone on his internet station or get permission to play a podcast that gives information about NVDA. His name is Robert Blake. Who can I put him in contact with?


Points arising

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The invisible window in Dropbox.
1, see my new thread containing the dropbox ticket and the offer to send them other peoples experiences.
and, I just disabled dropbox own update routing by calling it dropboxold.exe in the program files x 86 sub folder for updates and thus far I've not seen the window. I wonder if it might be an alert to tell you its downloading an update to the software but is inaccessible so we do not see the message?
2:
Issues of nvda missing events. I would suggest everyone who has this as an issue fills out a ticket on the github issue tracker. Somebody may then see it and add it to existing issues of the same type. at the moment while catching up this morning it seems that this has many different faces, and could be all part of the same problem, but of course may not be, so unless folk report them nothing will get done.
I remember reporting the first of these some time ago now, and to be honest the problem has actually become worse in some cases like opening a folder or launching a browser but there are nearly always no smoking guns visible in the log, and disabling add ons is inconclusive as sometimes just restarting nvda will fix it for a while.
Brian

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Re: How to Select a Link While n Browse Mode

Jackie
 

& there are some times when neither enter or spacebar work to activate
a link. In cases like that, you either employ the elements list (NVDA
f7), choose the element/object you want, & activate it, or use object
navigation. Sometimes you find doing that that there are 2 objects
there, only 1 of which works for activation purposes.

On 2/27/19, Cohn, Jonathan <jcohn@air.org> wrote:
OK, when in browse mode, after NVDA has read a link, if you press enter then
to the best of my knowledge NVDA will move the mouse to the location of the
link and then perform a pseudo click.  If the link (or occasionally) parts
of the link are off screen this action can sometimes fail. Is this perhaps
what you are experiencing.



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Re: Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I get the same thing when I open the settings app on my laptop and my tablet. Not sure why this is happening lol.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

 

Hi

I have just upgraded from Windows 1803 to 1809 and now when I use the ~Windows Settings app I hear the following :

 

CN=Microsoft Windows, O=Microsoft Corporation, L=Redmond, S=Washington, C=US

 

It sounds like the type of thing a developer would put into a program when debugging to check variable contents at a particular point in execution.  Does anyone else get this?

 

Cheers

Chris


Re: How to Select a Link While n Browse Mode

Jonathan COHN
 

OK, when in browse mode, after NVDA has read a link, if you press enter then to the best of my knowledge NVDA will move the mouse to the location of the link and then perform a pseudo click.  If the link (or occasionally) parts of the link are off screen this action can sometimes fail. Is this perhaps what you are experiencing. 


Re: Hearing "Unknown" when Using a Mouse

Jonathan COHN
 

This is most likely NVDA telling you the name of the mouse cursor. Did you perchance use a custom cursor in a MouseOver? Generally, I just look for the mouse type to change when I pay attention to it. Also, if it is the mouse announcement, then when you move off the check box you should hear “pointer”, “hand” or other such descriptions.

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of bestuiexperience <bestuiexperience@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Monday, February 25, 2019 at 10:13 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Hearing "Unknown" when Using a Mouse

 

I am a software developer trying to develop accessible software. I am working with some checkboxes that always announce "unknown" before announcing the label. This occurs only in forms mode and only when using a mouse (which I understand some NVDA users do). Any clue as to what might be causing the issue?


Re: Brave Browser

 

Great! I remember asking on that thread if there would be this one for Windows, but I guess they didn't let me post because this wasn't about Android :(
Anyway, going to test it now!
Em 27/02/2019 09:24, Mallard escreveu:

Hello list,


Thanks to Jacob Kruger, who posted about this browser on  the eyes-free Android list, I discovered Brave Browser.


It's a Chrome-based browser with an ad-blocker already embedded.


It's very fast and, as far as I've been able to see up to now (I've only tried it for a day or so), it's very accessible with NVDA.


If someone with better testing abilities than I have would like to have a go at it, and then post their findings here, it can be found at:


https://brave.com


I've mainly used it in Android for now, but I have installed it in Windoes as well, and there's also a version for Linux, if anyone's interested.


I hope this can be another browser to choose from.


Ciao,

Ollie







Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I have just upgraded from Windows 1803 to 1809 and now when I use the ~Windows Settings app I hear the following :

 

CN=Microsoft Windows, O=Microsoft Corporation, L=Redmond, S=Washington, C=US

 

It sounds like the type of thing a developer would put into a program when debugging to check variable contents at a particular point in execution.  Does anyone else get this?

 

Cheers

Chris


Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Gene
 

Here is a thorough explanation of combo boxes in terms of opening them.  It is a little long but many people may find it useful.
 
The command to open a combo box is alt down arrow.  But you first have to be in forms mode.  You can manually go into forms mode, then issue the command alt down arrow.  If the combo box makes the screen-reader automatically go into forms mode, you still have to open the combo box.  The two actions are completely separate.
 
Some combo boxes don't have to be opened.  Some do.  If you are in a combo box that needs to be opened, trying to move in the combo box will cause it to take an action.  For example, if you are in a list of states, down arrowing will cause the combo box to do something, such as open a page or register the state you have moved to as the one you want and take you out of forms mode and put you back in browse mode again.  If you open such combo boxes, you can move up and down as much as you want and no action will be taken until you press enter or, I believe tab may cause the action to be taken as well.
 
In combo boxes that don't require opening, yu can move up and down as often as you want with no action being taken.  Some people go into forms mode at a combo box and then issue the open command.  That is so that no combo box will take an action they don't want taken.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Can you have it manually switch between browse and focus modes without it automatically opening a combo box when you come to one? having it do so in a combo box is why I don't have it manually switch between the two. System Access, the screen reader I previously used, would automatically allow you to start typing in an edit box, but when you got to a combo box or a drop-down menu, you had to hit alt+d I believe. I don't recall now if that keystroke opened combo boxes or just drop-down menus, but anyway, when I started using NVDA, I had it set to automatically switch, but then, one time, I was shopping and ran into a combo box. Not realizing the thing had opened automatically, I nearly ended up buying way, way more than I'd intended to by inadvertently selecting a high number of whatever item it was I was trying to purchase. I don't even remember now what the item was, but I remember thinking, OK, I don't want this thing automatically opening the combo box and confusing the heck out of me! So I'm just wondering: Can you have it switch between browse and focus modes, while not automatically opening combo boxes. I'd rather open those myself. If not, I'll just keep it the way it is. It's nothing, really, to hit alt space when I need to write something. Only takes a second to do.

Annette

On 2/26/2019 3:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 04:05 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
ChromeVox
This reply is not meant as a "jumping down your throat," but once you get to an ecosystem other than Windows we're talking about an entirely different world.

You are not alone, however, in liking the automatic switching between modes.   I prefer it except in very specific circumstances, and those occur so seldom that I'd never make the default be manual switching.

Some of this comes from when different people began using screen readers, too, as at one time manual switching was the default.  It's all pretty much in what you got used to and comfortable with.
 
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Brave Browser

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Hello list,


Thanks to Jacob Kruger, who posted about this browser on  the eyes-free Android list, I discovered Brave Browser.


It's a Chrome-based browser with an ad-blocker already embedded.


It's very fast and, as far as I've been able to see up to now (I've only tried it for a day or so), it's very accessible with NVDA.


If someone with better testing abilities than I have would like to have a go at it, and then post their findings here, it can be found at:


https://brave.com


I've mainly used it in Android for now, but I have installed it in Windoes as well, and there's also a version for Linux, if anyone's interested.


I hope this can be another browser to choose from.


Ciao,

Ollie


Re: Re invisible annoying dropbox windows

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Further to the invisible window in dropbox. Those that have this issue. read this email from Dropbox and send any allied reports to me so I can forward them to the team at Dropbox.
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk


Ticket #8941340: Invisible windows appearing generated by dropbox for blind users
Iliana, Feb 26, 9:17 AM PST:
Hello Brian,

Thanks for contacting Dropbox Support! My name is Iliana, and I am happy to assist you with your screenreader issue.

We aim to make our services accessible for all users, so in order to troubleshoot this accessibility issue, I'll need you to provide as much of the following information as you can with as much detail as you can.

We will use this information to help our specialist team investigate and establish the cause of the behaviour.

1.
Please provide the step by step process you follow to get the error in question. Provide as many steps as possible.
2.
What system are you using? (for example Mac OSX El Capitan version 10.11.5)
3.
What browser are you using if the issue is appearing on the website? (for example Google Chrome version 50.0.2661.102)
4.
What accessibility software are you using? (for example VoiceOver on Mac)
5.
Any other information you think might be relevant.

Once I have this information, I will escalate it to our specialist team. Thanks in advance for your response.

Regards,
Iliana


So I'm happy to forward your reports. Include a valid email address in any emails you send to me so I can cut and paste them into the email I send them.
Thanks.
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Subject: [nvda] Re invisible annoying dropbox windows


Ticket #8941340: Invisible windows appearing generated by dropbox for blind users
Hey there,
Your question is safely in our support team's inbox. We'll reach out for more details or with a solution.
The Dropbox Support team


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Re: Fw: [Nvda-devel] NV Access accepted as a mentor organization in Google Summer of Code 2019

 

Wow, it's indeed good news!
GO NVDA!

Em 27/02/2019 05:41, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:

As I saw this suggestion first on this  list, I thought I'd forwarded this message here as well for your delectation...
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2019 10:59 PM
Subject: [Nvda-devel] NV Access accepted as a mentor organization in Google Summer of Code 2019


Hi all,


NV Access can officially announce that it has been accepted as a mentor organization in this year's Google Summer of Code.

You can find us on the Google Summer of Code website at: https://summerofcode.withgoogle.com/organizations/5317267756154880/


We look forward to reviewing student proposals starting at the end of march.


If you do have any questions about creating a proposal etc, please contact info@....


Regards

Mick




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