Date   

Re: Brave Browser

 

Em 27/02/2019 17:28, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:
there must be 2 installers for the 64 bit i am guessing i downloaded a small file to download it then it had to be setup. I am wondering if the other was the full version? but that seemed accessible 2.
I came across these 2 files as well. In fact i downloaded both. However, I ended up keeping only one of them, which explicitlye stated to be the 64bit installer.
Guess the other one would be the full installer though as I also had to wait the download even after opening the file I just downloaded.

Cheers,


Re: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice

 

On Wed, Feb 27, 2019 at 05:30 PM, Cohn, Jonathan wrote:
I usually get at least 3 messages a week from this list that are quarantined from my inbox. (including the one I am replying to). I almost always press the ‘release” button, and I have never clicked “block”.
Even if you were to block, it is only if this action also carries with it the marking of a blocked message as spam that the problematic feedback loops come into play.

You might want to consider whitelisting anything that comes from an address that ends in groups.io in your own e-mail filters.  It can save you having to keep releasing things.  Notifying your e-mail service provider that things originating from groups.io are not spam or suspicious would be helpful, too.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice

Jonathan COHN
 

I usually get at least 3 messages a week from this list that are quarantined from my inbox. (including the one I am replying to). I almost always press the ‘release” button, and I have never clicked “block”.

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 5:25 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice

 

Hello All,

           You can consider this my first formal communication as group moderator, and I'm hoping that it will help not only the group as a whole but Groups.io as a whole, too.

           First, let me say, that I know that many of you who've experienced this have not done this marking yourself.   If, however, you did, and you did it intentionally:  Please STOP!!   There are all sorts of mechanisms in place these days behind the scenes that feed information about messages marked by users as spam up to their e-mail service providers, that then gets shared among e-mail service providers, to create spam filters.    This is absolutely marvelous when messages are marked correctly, but if non-spam gets marked, then non-spam starts to get identified as spam by the e-mail service providers, leading everyone to have things blocked that they'd rather be getting.

           If you are not intentionally marking anything as spam, but are getting a message from Groups.io saying that you have been unsubscribed for marking a message as spam, this means that your own e-mail service provider is doing that marking, which is not a good thing.  Thus, I'm asking you to please make the effort to contact your e-mail service provider and ask them to remove anything that comes from any groups.io address from their spam filters.   The only way anyone should be getting messages from groups.io is if they went to the effort to subscribe, and by definition subscription e-mail lists cannot be spam.  You may get messages you don't want, and if they're few and far between, then delete them, but don't mark them as spam.

            If you are on any Groups.io group where traffic is substantial, and you don't want to deal with individual messages, you can change your subscription to digest to cut down on your traffic or use a number of controls provided to really limit what you're going to see from Groups.io for a given group.  I will post the instructions on what exists, and how to use it, here again now:

         Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io

 


            There has been a lot of recent conversation on a couple of the administrators groups about people being unsubscribed for having marked messages as spam, even when they personally have not done so.   I wanted you all to know why this is happening when you have not done any marking and what you can do to at least try to educate your e-mail service provider about Groups.io messages not being spam.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

Kevin Cussick
 

I get this as well, I don't yet find it annoying enough to reformat yet but I did it on another machine and it did fix the problem.

On 27/02/2019 12:42, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi
I have just upgraded from Windows 1803 to 1809 and now when I use the
~Windows Settings app I hear the following :
CN=Microsoft Windows, O=Microsoft Corporation, L=Redmond, S=Washington, C=US
It sounds like the type of thing a developer would put into a program when
debugging to check variable contents at a particular point in execution.
Does anyone else get this?
Cheers
Chris


Re: Brave browser

Gene
 

If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

How do we know this is a safe browser?



-- 
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)


Re: Brave browser

Dan Beaver
 

How do we know this is a safe browser?



-- 
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)


Re: Brave Browser

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

It's great in Android, as far as I could see.

I can even do my shopping on the site of a supermarket that brings shopping home free of charge for disabled people here in Milan and otehr parts of Northern Italy.


I couldn't do that with any other browser. With Chrome I had to switch to Desktop Version, but it was terribly slow. This one flies!

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 27/02/2019 22:19, Kwork ha scritto:

Windows, Mac, Google Play and iOS. Mac link

https://laptop-updates.brave.com/latest/osx

General download page, where you can find all versions:

https://brave.com/download/

Main page, where you can find the links to all the other pages:

https://brave.com/features/

I'll probably try it out soon myself. It's apparently quite iOS accessible too. Haven't heard from droidians yet.

Travis

On 2/27/2019 11:55 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I'll have to see if this browser is for mac as well. I also might give it a play on windows and nvda as well to see if it is as good as people say it is. I know how to use chrome so the transition should not be rough.

For an android list in the making where android apps, accessibility, phones and development can be discussed  subscribe send a blank email to
androiddiscuss+subscribe@android-discuss.groups.io
and follow the prompts.
to visit the subgroups  and subscribe (note you must be subscribed to the main group as well) visit the following URL:
about-android.tffppodcast.com

On 27 Feb 2019, at 10:41, Devin Prater wrote:

Yeah, I unsubscribed from that list after the high and mighty
Google guy
said people couldn't discuss the new Samsung phones on what has
become
an Android list for blind people.
--
Devin Prater
r.d.t.prater@gmail.com

"molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@gmail.com> writes:

I'm done with that list lol.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave Browser

Hello Marcio,


Gosh, I'm so fed up with that "it isn't about Android"!!!

It's a stupid attitude, especially because that list has been
going
strong for years without any Joe Blow telling us what to say
and what
not to say...


Anyway, it's a great browser. Go for it!

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/02/2019 15:13, marcio via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Great! I remember asking on that thread if there would be
this one for
Windows, but I guess they didn't let me post because this
wasn't about
Android :( Anyway, going to test it now!

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook
<https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 27/02/2019 09:24, Mallard escreveu:

Hello list,


Thanks to Jacob Kruger, who posted about this browser
on the
eyes-free Android list, I discovered Brave Browser.


It's a Chrome-based browser with an ad-blocker
already embedded.


It's very fast and, as far as I've been able to see
up to now (I've
only tried it for a day or so), it's very accessible
with NVDA.


If someone with better testing abilities than I have
would like to
have a go at it, and then post their findings here,
it can be found at:


https://brave.com


I've mainly used it in Android for now, but I have
installed it in
windows as well, and there's also a version for
Linux, if anyone's
interested.


I hope this can be another browser to choose from.


Ciao,

Ollie




Re: Brave Browser

Kwork
 

Windows, Mac, Google Play and iOS. Mac link

https://laptop-updates.brave.com/latest/osx

General download page, where you can find all versions:

https://brave.com/download/

Main page, where you can find the links to all the other pages:

https://brave.com/features/

I'll probably try it out soon myself. It's apparently quite iOS accessible too. Haven't heard from droidians yet.

Travis

On 2/27/2019 11:55 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I'll have to see if this browser is for mac as well. I also might give it a play on windows and nvda as well to see if it is as good as people say it is. I know how to use chrome so the transition should not be rough.

For an android list in the making where android apps, accessibility, phones and development can be discussed  subscribe send a blank email to
androiddiscuss+subscribe@android-discuss.groups.io
and follow the prompts.
to visit the subgroups  and subscribe (note you must be subscribed to the main group as well) visit the following URL:
about-android.tffppodcast.com

On 27 Feb 2019, at 10:41, Devin Prater wrote:

Yeah, I unsubscribed from that list after the high and mighty Google guy
said people couldn't discuss the new Samsung phones on what has become
an Android list for blind people.
--
Devin Prater
r.d.t.prater@...

"molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...> writes:

I'm done with that list lol.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave Browser

Hello Marcio,


Gosh, I'm so fed up with that "it isn't about Android"!!!

It's a stupid attitude, especially because that list has been going
strong for years without any Joe Blow telling us what to say and what
not to say...


Anyway, it's a great browser. Go for it!

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 27/02/2019 15:13, marcio via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Great! I remember asking on that thread if there would be this one for
Windows, but I guess they didn't let me post because this wasn't about
Android :( Anyway, going to test it now!

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 27/02/2019 09:24, Mallard escreveu:

Hello list,


Thanks to Jacob Kruger, who posted about this browser on the
eyes-free Android list, I discovered Brave Browser.


It's a Chrome-based browser with an ad-blocker already embedded.


It's very fast and, as far as I've been able to see up to now (I've
only tried it for a day or so), it's very accessible with NVDA.


If someone with better testing abilities than I have would like to
have a go at it, and then post their findings here, it can be found at:


https://brave.com


I've mainly used it in Android for now, but I have installed it in
windows as well, and there's also a version for Linux, if anyone's
interested.


I hope this can be another browser to choose from.


Ciao,

Ollie





windows 10 mail tutorial

anthony borg
 

Hi gene

Many thanks for the info you have sent me. I really appreciated your help.

Regards

anthony

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Extraneous text in Windows Settings after 1809 upgrade

Jonathan COHN
 

These are part of a directory service or such. Both Active Directory and LDAP use these types of fields, and in Outlook/Exchange you can find something similar in the list of alternative addresses for a e-mail.
Quoting below from: Stack Overflow 
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/18756688/what-are-cn-ou-dc-in-an-ldap-search



  • CN = Common Name
  • OU = Organizational Unit
  • DC = Domain Component

These are all parts of the X.500 Directory Specification, which defines nodes in a LDAP directory.


Re: windows 10 mail app tutorial

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


have a look on the page from the following link at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

You can jump down by headings until you get to the windows mail tutorial by david moore it is just under the one for edge.



Gene nz


On 28/02/2019 8:55 AM, anthony borg wrote:

Hi folks

I need to learn how to use fully the windows 10 mail app. Could anyone suggested me where I can get a tutorial please?

With thanks in advance

Anthony

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Brave Browser

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


the quick tests i have done so far it seems very accessible with nvda. Just been looking through the menus settings etc and trying out the quick navigation keys with nvda and am going to use it for the rest of the day and see how it goes. So far so good.


there must be 2 installers for the 64 bit i am guessing i downloaded a small file to download it then it had to be setup. I am wondering if the other was the full version? but that seemed accessible 2.


Gene nz


On 28/02/2019 1:24 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello list,


Thanks to Jacob Kruger, who posted about this browser on  the eyes-free Android list, I discovered Brave Browser.


It's a Chrome-based browser with an ad-blocker already embedded.


It's very fast and, as far as I've been able to see up to now (I've only tried it for a day or so), it's very accessible with NVDA.


If someone with better testing abilities than I have would like to have a go at it, and then post their findings here, it can be found at:


https://brave.com


I've mainly used it in Android for now, but I have installed it in Windoes as well, and there's also a version for Linux, if anyone's interested.


I hope this can be another browser to choose from.


Ciao,

Ollie




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Visual Studio Code and NVDA, NVDA Where is it going?

Pawel Urbanski
 

I submitted some pull requests with changes to the Visual Studio Code,
but they seem to be stuck... Will poke the people reviewing them...
They fix:
Stupid announcement what word / function / variable name was inserted
- it was done using an HTML alert
Too much information with code completion.

I also created a simple NVDA add-on - not public yet, which fixes the following:
Losing focus from the code editor textarea after accepting completion item,
Reading the entire line from the beginning after accepting code completion item.

On 27/02/2019, ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) <najafnaqvi471@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks bro

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:57 AM ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) via Groups.Io
<najafnaqvi471=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

next version of nvda relayse date ?

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:49 AM Shasa <shasa@writeme.com> wrote:

Hello there,

Friends, I'm going to talk about something that I think is important
now.
Visual Studio Code (VSCODE)

This IDE is sure to be a nice tool for the software.
But we can't really use it. The same words are repeated over and over
again while navigating my codes with the arrow keys.
NVDA is actually offering nice and fast support for everything that is
on the Chromium infrastructure. I think we can overcome these problems
by contacting Microsoft.
There seems to be support for the screen reader for VSCode. But in
practice, I can't say it works.

Another problem is that NVDA cannot focus on content when I switch from
VSCode to another window.
I click the mouse, open the "application menu", I can't focus on NVDA.

Clearly write code with Notepad, you don't want to be deprived of
advanced tools. We have people who have never used an IDE, I respect
them. But it is also very nice to support advanced features.

In the meantime, I don't want a philosophical discussion, but I can't
see NVDA's future bright in Py2. Does the core team have any idea about
this?
It is not good for us to follow technology one step behind, take shelter
in a version that will end support and not try.
Obviously I haven't written any code for NVDA. I'm a Python encoder.
That's why I can't support him.
What are we going to do?
Do we have an idea to speed up the transition to py3 by editing a tool
like Nuitka for our own projects?

I'm definitely not writing it up. I just want to know where we're going.
I'm sure there's someone who thinks I'm thinking. I would like to know
what problems and solutions are.

Happy Days.







Re: Visual Studio Code and NVDA, NVDA Where is it going?

 

thanks bro 

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:57 AM ( NAJAF . Naqvi ) via Groups.Io <najafnaqvi471=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
next version of nvda  relayse date ?

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:49 AM Shasa <shasa@...> wrote:
Hello there,

Friends, I'm going to talk about something that I think is important now.
Visual Studio Code (VSCODE)

This IDE is sure to be a nice tool for the software.
But we can't really use it. The same words are repeated over and over
again while navigating my codes with the arrow keys.
NVDA is actually offering nice and fast support for everything that is
on the Chromium infrastructure. I think we can overcome these problems
by contacting Microsoft.
There seems to be support for the screen reader for VSCode. But in
practice, I can't say it works.

Another problem is that NVDA cannot focus on content when I switch from
VSCode to another window.
I click the mouse, open the "application menu", I can't focus on NVDA.

Clearly write code with Notepad, you don't want to be deprived of
advanced tools. We have people who have never used an IDE, I respect
them. But it is also very nice to support advanced features.

In the meantime, I don't want a philosophical discussion, but I can't
see NVDA's future bright in Py2. Does the core team have any idea about
this?
It is not good for us to follow technology one step behind, take shelter
in a version that will end support and not try.
Obviously I haven't written any code for NVDA. I'm a Python encoder.
That's why I can't support him.
What are we going to do?
Do we have an idea to speed up the transition to py3 by editing a tool
like Nuitka for our own projects?

I'm definitely not writing it up. I just want to know where we're going.
I'm sure there's someone who thinks I'm thinking. I would like to know
what problems and solutions are.

Happy Days.





Re: Visual Studio Code and NVDA, NVDA Where is it going?

 

please reply me ?

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:56 AM NAJAF . Naqvi <najafnaqvi471@...> wrote:
next version of nvda  relayse date ?

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:49 AM Shasa <shasa@...> wrote:
Hello there,

Friends, I'm going to talk about something that I think is important now.
Visual Studio Code (VSCODE)

This IDE is sure to be a nice tool for the software.
But we can't really use it. The same words are repeated over and over
again while navigating my codes with the arrow keys.
NVDA is actually offering nice and fast support for everything that is
on the Chromium infrastructure. I think we can overcome these problems
by contacting Microsoft.
There seems to be support for the screen reader for VSCode. But in
practice, I can't say it works.

Another problem is that NVDA cannot focus on content when I switch from
VSCode to another window.
I click the mouse, open the "application menu", I can't focus on NVDA.

Clearly write code with Notepad, you don't want to be deprived of
advanced tools. We have people who have never used an IDE, I respect
them. But it is also very nice to support advanced features.

In the meantime, I don't want a philosophical discussion, but I can't
see NVDA's future bright in Py2. Does the core team have any idea about
this?
It is not good for us to follow technology one step behind, take shelter
in a version that will end support and not try.
Obviously I haven't written any code for NVDA. I'm a Python encoder.
That's why I can't support him.
What are we going to do?
Do we have an idea to speed up the transition to py3 by editing a tool
like Nuitka for our own projects?

I'm definitely not writing it up. I just want to know where we're going.
I'm sure there's someone who thinks I'm thinking. I would like to know
what problems and solutions are.

Happy Days.





Re: Visual Studio Code and NVDA, NVDA Where is it going?

 

next version of nvda  relayse date ?

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:49 AM Shasa <shasa@...> wrote:
Hello there,

Friends, I'm going to talk about something that I think is important now.
Visual Studio Code (VSCODE)

This IDE is sure to be a nice tool for the software.
But we can't really use it. The same words are repeated over and over
again while navigating my codes with the arrow keys.
NVDA is actually offering nice and fast support for everything that is
on the Chromium infrastructure. I think we can overcome these problems
by contacting Microsoft.
There seems to be support for the screen reader for VSCode. But in
practice, I can't say it works.

Another problem is that NVDA cannot focus on content when I switch from
VSCode to another window.
I click the mouse, open the "application menu", I can't focus on NVDA.

Clearly write code with Notepad, you don't want to be deprived of
advanced tools. We have people who have never used an IDE, I respect
them. But it is also very nice to support advanced features.

In the meantime, I don't want a philosophical discussion, but I can't
see NVDA's future bright in Py2. Does the core team have any idea about
this?
It is not good for us to follow technology one step behind, take shelter
in a version that will end support and not try.
Obviously I haven't written any code for NVDA. I'm a Python encoder.
That's why I can't support him.
What are we going to do?
Do we have an idea to speed up the transition to py3 by editing a tool
like Nuitka for our own projects?

I'm definitely not writing it up. I just want to know where we're going.
I'm sure there's someone who thinks I'm thinking. I would like to know
what problems and solutions are.

Happy Days.





windows 10 mail app tutorial

anthony borg
 

Hi folks

I need to learn how to use fully the windows 10 mail app. Could anyone suggested me where I can get a tutorial please?

With thanks in advance

Anthony

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Visual Studio Code and NVDA, NVDA Where is it going?

Shasa
 

Hello there,

Friends, I'm going to talk about something that I think is important now.
Visual Studio Code (VSCODE)

This IDE is sure to be a nice tool for the software.
But we can't really use it. The same words are repeated over and over
again while navigating my codes with the arrow keys.
NVDA is actually offering nice and fast support for everything that is
on the Chromium infrastructure. I think we can overcome these problems
by contacting Microsoft.
There seems to be support for the screen reader for VSCode. But in
practice, I can't say it works.

Another problem is that NVDA cannot focus on content when I switch from
VSCode to another window.
I click the mouse, open the "application menu", I can't focus on NVDA.

Clearly write code with Notepad, you don't want to be deprived of
advanced tools. We have people who have never used an IDE, I respect
them. But it is also very nice to support advanced features.

In the meantime, I don't want a philosophical discussion, but I can't
see NVDA's future bright in Py2. Does the core team have any idea about
this?
It is not good for us to follow technology one step behind, take shelter
in a version that will end support and not try.
Obviously I haven't written any code for NVDA. I'm a Python encoder.
That's why I can't support him.
What are we going to do?
Do we have an idea to speed up the transition to py3 by editing a tool
like Nuitka for our own projects?

I'm definitely not writing it up. I just want to know where we're going.
I'm sure there's someone who thinks I'm thinking. I would like to know
what problems and solutions are.

Happy Days.


Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Sarah k Alawami
 

I don't think screen readers at least the ones I've used distinguish between the two either. They cll it a picker, a dropdown, a combo box, but they all to me do the same thing at least according to the screen reader. And c will get you to the next combo box.

Take care

On 27 Feb 2019, at 11:37, Gene wrote:

I don't recall screen-readers I've used making such a distinction.  and in quick navigation keys, there is the letter c for move to next combo box but I don't recall any screen-reader I've used having a letter d command for move to next drop down box, nor any other letter command for it.  In NVDA, the letter d moves you to the next landmark. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

It's also important here to make a distinction, and it's not a trivial one, between a combo box and a dropdown box.

A dropdown box allows you to make a selection from the dropdown list - that's it.  You may, in some implementations, get away with using the first letter of a choice to get to it quickly, but that's the equivalent of arrowing down to it.  You can't change it in any way, only select it.

A true combo box, hence its name, is a merger of an edit box and a dropdown list.  You can type in a combo box and it will accept the input.  Some do edit checks afterward to ensure that what's there matches one of the items in the dropdown list (most common), while others intentionally don't, so that the end user can essentially give an input that is not one of those things.

I've actually never paid close attention to whether dropdowns and combos are announced differently, but I have to believe they are since their behaviors are, while related, distinctly different.

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Re: Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Annette Moore
 

Thanks so much for this explanation, Gene. It's very helpful.

Annette

On 2/27/2019 6:43 AM, Gene wrote:
Here is a thorough explanation of combo boxes in terms of opening them.  It is a little long but many people may find it useful.
 
The command to open a combo box is alt down arrow.  But you first have to be in forms mode.  You can manually go into forms mode, then issue the command alt down arrow.  If the combo box makes the screen-reader automatically go into forms mode, you still have to open the combo box.  The two actions are completely separate.
 
Some combo boxes don't have to be opened.  Some do.  If you are in a combo box that needs to be opened, trying to move in the combo box will cause it to take an action.  For example, if you are in a list of states, down arrowing will cause the combo box to do something, such as open a page or register the state you have moved to as the one you want and take you out of forms mode and put you back in browse mode again.  If you open such combo boxes, you can move up and down as much as you want and no action will be taken until you press enter or, I believe tab may cause the action to be taken as well.
 
In combo boxes that don't require opening, yu can move up and down as often as you want with no action being taken.  Some people go into forms mode at a combo box and then issue the open command.  That is so that no combo box will take an action they don't want taken.
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Staying in Forms for Checkboxes

Can you have it manually switch between browse and focus modes without it automatically opening a combo box when you come to one? having it do so in a combo box is why I don't have it manually switch between the two. System Access, the screen reader I previously used, would automatically allow you to start typing in an edit box, but when you got to a combo box or a drop-down menu, you had to hit alt+d I believe. I don't recall now if that keystroke opened combo boxes or just drop-down menus, but anyway, when I started using NVDA, I had it set to automatically switch, but then, one time, I was shopping and ran into a combo box. Not realizing the thing had opened automatically, I nearly ended up buying way, way more than I'd intended to by inadvertently selecting a high number of whatever item it was I was trying to purchase. I don't even remember now what the item was, but I remember thinking, OK, I don't want this thing automatically opening the combo box and confusing the heck out of me! So I'm just wondering: Can you have it switch between browse and focus modes, while not automatically opening combo boxes. I'd rather open those myself. If not, I'll just keep it the way it is. It's nothing, really, to hit alt space when I need to write something. Only takes a second to do.

Annette

On 2/26/2019 3:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 04:05 PM, Steve Nutt wrote:
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This reply is not meant as a "jumping down your throat," but once you get to an ecosystem other than Windows we're talking about an entirely different world.

You are not alone, however, in liking the automatic switching between modes.   I prefer it except in very specific circumstances, and those occur so seldom that I'd never make the default be manual switching.

Some of this comes from when different people began using screen readers, too, as at one time manual switching was the default.  It's all pretty much in what you got used to and comfortable with.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back