Molly,
Three things:
1. Using Messenger, you need to type your message, quit the typing mode of NVDA (which I never remember the right name, guess it's focus mode) then search for the send button arrowing down from where you are.

2. Another way, (simpler and quicker) to send a message is just hit enter right after writing your message.
I'm not sure if it works but I have a feeling it does.
If it works, remember then that if you're wanting to write something with more than one line, pressing enter to jump to a new line will actually send your message. In this case, use shift+enter to create a new one.

3. Last but not least, you have what I use most of the time.
You could simply use the Messages' section from http://m.facebook.com, it has a very intuitive interface.
The only downside is you'll need to refresh the page from time to time to see new messages, as it doesn't refresh on its own.

Hopefully at least one single thing I've said here will be useful for you 😍

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Em 28/02/2019 00:01, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hi.

I have problems with facebook but with the messenging thing. It won’t tell you if the message was sent and I can’t find the send button.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 7:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Facebook, comments and suggestions

 

Hi all,
Does anyone here uses Facebook and is having problems when trying to mention someone on a comment?
I did notice it just now and tried everything that I could think of to see if I could fix it and nothing worked at all.
When commenting, NVDA won't read the suggestions when writing parts of a name, as it used to do before.
For what it matters, using Firefox.

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depending on your requirements there is nothing unwise about POP3.

Hi,
As the mod kindly asked to the old thread about POP to be closed I'm
starting this new one to ask it.

When I ask for a way to backup my messages, actually, I'm talking about
saving them.
Let me try to explain it better.
I use POP and I delete most of the messages right after
reading/answering themm. However, there are those that I want to keep
(and I do), some of them way behind from a month.
What I want, then, is to save these messages in a way that I could put
them back on my other profile that I'm thinking about creating with IMAP.

I also would like to know if there's any difference regarding how
Thunderbird deal with these messages using IMAP instead of POP. There'll
be some difference when I open a message to read, to see its attachments
and such?

Thanks in advance :)
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I'm thinking about changing to IMAP. Now if only I could ever find a way to save messages from this Thunderbird profile, I'm sure I'd do it.
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Em 28/02/2019 13:26, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question. But I'm sure
you can delete messages if you wish.  As I understand it, you can
keep a large number on the server if you wish.
Gene
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Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

unless you want a permanent collection of all your received
messages off site.

Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any message?

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Would be cool if Microsoft would add the ability to send an entire Image/file/PDF to the Windows OCR module in a single step. Believe JAWS already has a feature like that with its OCR facility. This way the entire file could be easily read after the OCR has been processed.

Hi. In my experience it only recognizes a single screen. I needed to use it to read a chapter of my textbook and it only recognized a few sentences. It also only recognized one slide at a time when I needed to use it to access a powerpoint.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2019 8:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problem with windows10 OCR and NVDA

 

Good question, I would ask the same.

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Em 25/02/2019 10:44, Gene escreveu:

does that mean that the NVDA OCR feature only can recognize a single screen or can it recognize an entire document?  I haven't played with this to any extent.  In Notepad. if you open a document, it is all one single object and can all be read with the screen review keys so you aren't limited to one screen when in object review.  What about a document you use the OCR feature on? 

 

Gene

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It seems the keys to perform such a command using the laptop layout are NVDA+Shift+up arrow.
I found it by going to the keystrokes reference.

By the way, Rui, thanks for the clarification :)
I'll play with it taking this advice into account and see what I can get.

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Em 25/02/2019 09:50, Nevzat Adil escreveu:

"If you want to perform the OCR to  all the window, you will need to

move the navegation object to the window itself, pressing

NVDA+NumPad8..."

How does this apply if using a laptop instead of desktop?

On 2/25/19, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:

Hello!

Please, remember one thing...

When you perform the OCR, using NVDA in Windows 10, pressing NVDA+R, the

OCR is applied only to the object focused by NVDA...

By instance, if you are in a dialog type, "save as" and focused in the

Save button, the OCR result will be only "Save", the text of the focused

object, the Save button.

If you want to perform the OCR to  all the window, you will need to move

the navegation object to the window itself, pressing NVDA+NumPad8...

Regards,

Rui Fontes

Às 11:54 de 25/02/2019, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:

Just adding

While with this message opened I tried to OCR just for fun, seeing what

I would get.

What a surprise, the OCR worked just like a charm.

Weird!

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Em 25/02/2019 08:48, marcio via Groups.Io escreveu:

Very same here!

And I'm also using the latest NVDA Alpha with Win 10 1803.

Well I'm not using the latest at all because I need to update to the

very latest so to speak which showed up just now. I'll do it sometime

later, I guess.

However, the message I get is absolutely the same and no, I don't

think just updating to the latest Alpha will fix it since aparently

the folks on the NVDA dev side weren't aware of it.

Let's wait...

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Em 25/02/2019 08:31, Mallard escreveu:

Yes, here too. Something must be broken, because I've opened a pdf

that is perfectly visible with any pdf reading apps, including Edge.

I tried opening with Sumatra pdf, which only shows the image and not

the text. Usually, when I do that, I can view the page with Inw10

OCR. Now it keeps saying

"Content not visible" (contenuto non visibile in Italian).

No idea what could have happened.

I'm using the latest Alpha of NVDA and Windows 10 1803.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 25/02/2019 11:57, marcio via Groups.Io ha scritto:

Same here. I don't have Jaws to test with, though, so don't know if

it would be different.

Anyone to help us? :)

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Em 25/02/2019 06:15, Aravind R escreveu:

Dear friends,

I am trying to do OCR with pdf using NVDA+r in windows10.

Wherever i try, it is saying "Recognising result document" but

nothing

is displayed and its working well with jaws's built-in ocr.

Kindly guide where changes to be made to make work with windows10 OCR

 

 

Yes, pressing enter sends the message.  As far as mentioning folks in a comment, just type their name, no issues occur that way, and the person is flagged.  I've never bothered with the facebook pulldowns to select a person, I just type their name in full, and it always tags them in the message.  Simple solution.  Of course, if you don't know the name you're trying to tag, that could be problematic, but that's a different issue.

Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your definition of what is useful is just plain silly.

If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away.  Hell, I wish microsoft would go away.

\See, it serves no purpose.

There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them.  There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just ignorance talking.

If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup, and others.

When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.

It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for you, and allow others to use what works for them.

On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm sure you can delete messages if you wish.  As I understand it, you can keep a large number on the server if you wish. 

 

Gene

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Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

unless you want a permanent collection of all your received messages off site. 

Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any message?

Cheers,

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Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm sure you can delete messages if you wish.  As I understand it, you can keep a large number on the server if you wish. 

 

Gene

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Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

unless you want a permanent collection of all your received messages off site. 

Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any message?

Cheers,

Marcio
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With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 09:35 AM, Antony Stone wrote:

What is unwise about using POP these days?

1. If you only access your e-mail from one, and only one, device, and wish
to be responsible for backing up all the messages that exist only on your
device after download, and you wish to be responsible for trying to port a
huge number of messages from one e-mail client to another should you
choose to change clients then there is nothing unwise about POP.

2. If you're like most users these days, and you have every intention of
accessing your e-mail messages on multiple devices while having what each
"sees" remain in sync, then POP as conventionally configured does a
horrible job of supporting that while IMAP is designed to support that
from the get-go.

3. IMAP messages and all folders associated with same are retained on the
e-mail server and, as a result, are part of the data center's daily (if
not more frequent) backup protocol. The probability of ever losing
something permanently is exceedingly small. By contrast, I have seen POP
users lose years worth of downloaded messages on several occasions when
they were not backing up their own computers and their hard drives failed
catastrophically.

The fact of the matter is that POP (Post Office Protocol) was the first
e-mail protocol and really is an anachronism that remains supported in the
name of backward compatibility. It's shortcomings are myriad, and
particularly when you want e-mail synchronization and portability from
device to device to device over time to be almost effortless (you only
have to set up the account again if you're using IMAP and - poof, like
magic - all of your messages and folders appear).

IMAP is also more space efficient on your own device, because only message
headers are downloaded for presentation in the message list in folders,
with the exception of the most recent messages, which will often have
message bodies downloaded in advance as well for some time period back
from today (say, 2 weeks - it's configurable) because the probability of
actual accessing of newer messages is far, far higher than old ones. You
can also specify specific messages to retain their local message bodies
permanently if you know you make very frequent reference to them so
they'll be available even if you're offline.

For the way most people use e-mail these days, including the bulk of folks
here, as many describe having computer(s) and smartphone(s) on which they
wish to get their e-mail, using the access method suited to it, and that
protects the actual message data the best, is what's wisest. If your
e-mail service provides IMAP access, well . . .

If you fit the profile I noted in #1 above then nothing that follows it is
relevant to you. I find it improbable that everything in #1 above applies
to practically anyone these days.

[And, before anyone jumps in with, "But you can configure POP to leave
messages on the server!," well, yes, you can, but you have to make the
effort to do that in the vast majority of cases, and many would have
absolutely no idea of how to do so. Why use an antiquated protocol that
must be rigged when a better alternative exists?]
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I haven't checked.  I'm not sure whether it is a good idea.  others may have comments.  Sometimes just moving the mouse may cause things to occur that you may not want.  But I haven't experimented with this enough to know if it would cause inconveniences or problems often enough to worry about. 

 

Gene

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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:06 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

So basically you use the Review cursor to navigate the screen. Then when you land on a spot which you want to click, you route the mouse pointer to that review cursor position [NVDA]+[Slash] and then hit [Slash] to left mouse click on it?

Is there an      option that will automatically tether the mouse pointer to the review cursor, so I only need press [Slash] to click on an element, without having to route to it first?

On 2/18/2019 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:

In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.

 

There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.

 

To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  

 

If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.

 

Gene  

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

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From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm sure you can delete messages if you wish.  As I understand it, you can keep a large number on the server if you wish. 

 

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

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Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

unless you want a permanent collection of all your received messages off site. 

Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any message?

Cheers,

Marcio
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