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Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello Sam and all,

 

the last time I tried, Google Meet looked quite good, it’s included in GSuite.

 

You might want to look into Zoom’s business solutions too.

 

I have worked with the Zoom client using Mac, Iphone and Windows and they really make an effort to make their app accessible. I just had a quick look at Zoom Cloud Meetings and it looks really good with NVDA.

 

Thanks and kind regards,

 

Bianka

 


Re: The NVDA Chat Subgroup

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

That would merely fragment a thread.
You have to allow some variance. Any topic about access to software here has the subtxt implied that it has to be usable with nvda, otherwise you would not post it on here in the first place. I do not want even more lists, this list was being moderated to my liking before. Nobody forced anyone to read all the mail.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] The NVDA Chat Subgroup


And, I would encourage those of us going off topic in the regular group
on a thread, pointing at myself at times, to send a message to the
effect that all future answers not related to NVDA will be made in the
chat group. That way those who don't want to read the off topic posts
don't have to, and those who do can switch groups and keep on chatting
and participating in the non-NVDA related discussions.

Travis

On 2/28/2019 5:26 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
This information needs the occasional bump and repetition, so I'm
giving it one:

For those who really wish to chat about any topic not directly
NVDA-related with people they know from the NVDA Group via a list, you
can subscribe to the chat subgroup. Here are the addresses:

* Post: chat@nvda.groups.io <mailto:chat@nvda.groups.io>
* Subscribe: chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io>
* Unsubscribe: chat+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:chat+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io>
* Group Owner: chat+owner@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:chat+owner@nvda.groups.io>
* Help: chat+help@nvda.groups.io <mailto:chat+help@nvda.groups.io>

Since the Chat Group is really just beginning to ramp up, I'd even
encourage you to make "See Chat" posts to the main group as the signal
flare that you're asking about something there, or sharing information
there. For example, "See Chat: Looking for Advice on TalkBack from
those who use it," after you've created a topic there to let people
know that the topic exists and to take a look. It then allows the
conversation to be as freewheeling as the participants wish in the
Chat subgroup.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/



Re: how to know when a thread is locked

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I disagree, but won't post why here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to know when a thread is locked


Adrian,

Quite literally, you don't, unless you've read through the topic and the person (moderator or group owner) has stated they are locking the topic. If you are talking about the POP topic, I locked it and stated that I was locking it in the message I added to it just before doing so.

That's one of the disadvantages of e-mail lists when it comes to locked topics. There's no lock icon as there is on the web interface that shows that a topic is locked and no other way to communicate that information other than to state it in a message immediately prior to locking.

As a general note to the readership at large, when the Group Owner of any group suggests a topic be closed, that should never be taken as an invitation to open a new topic on the same subject. It's a clear indicator that the subject itself is not felt to be suitable to the venue in question. Since the NVDA group does have a chat subgroup, and it seems to have picked up some new "regulars" recently, I would encourage those with topics that may be technical, but not tied in to using NVDA in any meaningful way, to start those topics on the chat subgroup.

--

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*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.*

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Re: how to know when a thread is locked

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I just basically sent an email to our new moderator moaning about this as if your email is like mine I never saw his post till after 10 minuets I had seen the thread. I have issues with locking threads but I'll not clutter this group with my opinions post those to the mod if you feel strongly as I do.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "ADRIAN POCOCK" <ampbeast@live.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 11:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] how to know when a thread is locked


I posted to a thread and had a bounce saying it had been locked by mod.


How do we know when a subject had been locked so we do not waist time posting.

Adrian Pocock



Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

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Can knfb reader import the file types needed if they are pictures and work with them. I see its now on pc if you get it for another platform.
One supposes it self voices, or does it work with nvda.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files


Abbyy FineReader, OmniPage and KNFB Reader are some of the best options...

Rui Fontes


Às 21:52 de 28/02/2019, Kwork escreveu:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis





Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

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Heck you could buy an Iphone and use that on things as well.
I guess the future of bespoke solutions is not good.
However nvda can seem to work with most reasonably priced ocrs, its merely finding one that can handle the file format and does have enough intelligence to attempt to make the output readable!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@sasktel.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 4:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files


Yes, k 1000 is about 1000 u s dollars.

You could buy 2 computers for that money;.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February-28-19 8:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files



I have abbyy fine reader, thats 300 australian, and I have the latest upgrades for that, I looked at omnipage though and thats 210 dollars nz just for that.

Is omnipage ultimate worth it, I don't use it much at 500 bucks, I wasn't really thinking of getting that, pluss my brother scanner has paperport with it to.

At any rate, I have spent a few weeks trying to get back my serial from abbyy for my scanner ocr product and I have spent about 600 on synths and and windows addition upgrades on this new laptop I got last year.

To be honest if I could afford it, I'd get the k1000 program, which has everything in it but its probably more than omnipage ultimate.





On 1/03/2019 11:13 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork



One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.



Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:

I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis


Re: Brave browser

Chris Mullins
 

Hi James
The folders Program Files X86 and Program Files relate to whether an
application is 32 or 64 bit. You get these 2 folders on machines that use a
64-bit operating system. A 64-bit machine can still process 32-bit
applications, such as NVDA for example, which is why you see the NVDA
application under the X86 version of the Program Files folder. If you were
to have a look at a machine that uses a 32-bit operating system, , you would
see only a Program Files folder because it is only capable of running 32-bit
applications.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of James
AUSTIN
Sent: 28 February 2019 22:06
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

Hi

I could be wrong about this so please correct me somebody if so, but I think
that the suffix X 86 for program files points to user installed
applications. The original program files points to applications installed
by Windows. However in most installation wizards I have used you can choose
where to install files.

Best wishes
James
On 28 Feb 2019, at 21:53, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io
<the.big.white.shepherd=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi, I installed the 64 bit butt yet it is in program files x86 and yes I
am sure I have the 64 bit version. at least when I went to the download
page it said 64 bit installer. any ideas anyone else had this?

On 28/02/2019 06:42, Mallard wrote:
Well, I haven't seen any ads at all in Brave, neither in Android nor in
Windows.
If there are, they are well hidden. And if they're hidden, I don't see
the purpose of having them at all
It's only fair that one should be wary.
Il 28/02/2019 04:45, Shaun Everiss ha scritto:

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser
-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan
for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its
own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they
say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee
that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another
echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser
and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome,
firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported
brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because
of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern
techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't
get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything
like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal
with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware
software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.


Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so
however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went
with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things,
trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to
modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access
wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google
spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later
it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid
of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any
software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not
requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google
trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add
makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google
and all sort of extras.



On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:
If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like
Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the
browser.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Dan Beaver <mailto:dbeaver888@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Brave browser

How do we know this is a safe browser?



--
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)


Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Sylvie Duchateau
 



Hello,
I use Slack for windows, the app, that works quite well with NVDA now.
the developers implemented short cuts for screen reader users: for example typing f6 pops up the list of messages in a chat. You just have to review them with down and up arrows.
Forms mode is automatically enabled when you want to write a message.
You can set Slack to send notifications when a message is coming, when you are directly mentioned etc...
Out of topic: slack also works well with VoiceOver on an iPhone.
At last, if you encounter an accessibility problem, you can contact the support and they respond rather quickly. They are really willing to improve the accessibility of their product.
There is a list of shortcuts that you can see in typing ctrl+/
I hope this helps.
Best
Sylvie

Le 28/02/2019 à 23:04, Sarah k Alawami a écrit :

II actually use slack for mac, dunno how it works in widnows but we ave 2 ios users, a mac and windows user who all use slack. What issues are you having?

On 28 Feb 2019, at 13:24, Sam Bushman wrote:

Hi All,

 

I have a huge need to be on a slack / Microsoft teams solution in the corporate world. In fact I am the IT Manager for the company and project.

I know slack doesn’t talk well and Microsoft teams is quite a huge pain to configure and administer.

 

Does anyone have a great alternative for a slack like system that we can use well with speech and that also works well for the sighted? Needs to support all the common platforms as well.

 

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

 

Thanks,

Sam Bushman

 


Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi..

My personal software of choice is DocuScan plus from www.serotek.com. It only costs $299 and supports scanning from cameras, scanners and various file types with output for MP3, BRF and various text formats.

cheers,

Mo.


On 01/03/2019 04:25, Monte Single wrote:

Yes, k 1000  is about 1000 u s dollars.

You could buy  2 computers for that money;.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February-28-19 8:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

 

I have abbyy fine reader, thats 300 australian, and I have the latest upgrades for that, I looked at omnipage though and thats 210 dollars nz just for that.

Is omnipage ultimate worth it, I don't use it much at 500 bucks, I wasn't really thinking of getting that, pluss my brother scanner has paperport with it to.

At any rate, I have spent a few weeks trying to get back my serial from abbyy for my scanner ocr product and I have spent about 600 on synths and and windows addition upgrades on this new laptop I got last year.

To be honest if I could afford it, I'd get the k1000 program, which has everything in it but its probably more than omnipage ultimate.

 

 

On 1/03/2019 11:13 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork

 

One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.

 

Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:

I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis




Re: backing up thunderbird

 

In addition you need to make sure on accounts.google.com that in security settings you allow third party programs.

Google says this is dangerous but we all know they just want you to use chrome to use email and  their own software, once thats all okk you will probably start the usual signin and will be asked to autnorise thunderbird to be a trusted app then it will work.

A reminder if you use 2step authentication you will have to set a app password for thunderbird but you probably know that allready its not like they don't tell you a million times.

On 1/03/2019 6:26 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Arlene,


You can use GMail with pop or imap.  First you must go onto the GMail site, log in and under settings, change your delivery method from web to either pop3 or imap.


Then you create a GMail account in Thunderbird using the following settings for ports and security.

for smpt the port is 465

Connection Security: ssl/tls

Authentication password: normal password

User name is full e-mail address as in joe.smith@gmail.com

incoming port for pop or imat 995


On 2/28/2019 11:27 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hey list! Arlene here; I'm writing to you on this new win ten laptop.
My win 7 box bit the dust! I lost all sound. A sighted person can
operate it.  But I could not. I just got this computer on Tuesday.
One question I want to ask. Can I put Gmail onto Thunderbird? If so,
How can I do it? Thanks! Have a good night!

On 2/28/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Annette,


As far as I can tell, everything is saved. I just updated a day ago and
when I opened the back up version of Thunderbird on my back up system,
the address book, the folder structure (I have 17 sub folders under
Inbox) the layout and even the order of message selection was saved.


On 2/28/2019 4:07 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your
messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually
keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get
everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI
have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard
Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to
go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a
future new computer, that would be great!

Annette

On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when
using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the
following.


1.  Close Thunderbird.

2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.

3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the
application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.

4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted,
press control + C to copy that folder.

5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or
some similar device and you have everything backed up.

6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird
or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply
install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described
in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird
folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.


I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird
backed up.


On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.

Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I
never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible.
Help me with this, please?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:
Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your
definition of what is useful is just plain silly.

If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish
jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away. Hell, I wish
microsoft would go away.

\See, it serves no purpose.

There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them.
There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than
imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better
alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just
ignorance talking.

If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that
others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to
use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several
reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup,
and others.

When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because
they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their
mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move
mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to
loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as
well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.

It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for
you, and allow others to use what works for them.


On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got
to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I
don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be
wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server
and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up
using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go
away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the
cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can
always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once
so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

     I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm
     sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
     you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.

     Gene

     ----- Original Message -----

     *From:*marcio via Groups.Io
<mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>

     *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM

     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed
     for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

     Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

         unless you want a permanent collection of all your
         received messages off site.

     Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
     message?

     Cheers,

     Marcio
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In-Process for 1st March 2019

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

I've got a bumper issue today!

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Re: backing up thunderbird

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Arlene,


You can use GMail with pop or imap.  First you must go onto the GMail site, log in and under settings, change your delivery method from web to either pop3 or imap.


Then you create a GMail account in Thunderbird using the following settings for ports and security.

for smpt the port is 465

Connection Security: ssl/tls

Authentication password: normal password

User name is full e-mail address as in joe.smith@gmail.com

incoming port for pop or imat 995

On 2/28/2019 11:27 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hey list! Arlene here; I'm writing to you on this new win ten laptop.
My win 7 box bit the dust! I lost all sound. A sighted person can
operate it. But I could not. I just got this computer on Tuesday.
One question I want to ask. Can I put Gmail onto Thunderbird? If so,
How can I do it? Thanks! Have a good night!

On 2/28/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Annette,


As far as I can tell, everything is saved. I just updated a day ago and
when I opened the back up version of Thunderbird on my back up system,
the address book, the folder structure (I have 17 sub folders under
Inbox) the layout and even the order of message selection was saved.


On 2/28/2019 4:07 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your
messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually
keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get
everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI
have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard
Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to
go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a
future new computer, that would be great!

Annette

On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when
using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the
following.


1. Close Thunderbird.

2. From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.

3. You are in the roaming folder. This folder contains all the
application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.

4. navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted,
press control + C to copy that folder.

5. Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or
some similar device and you have everything backed up.

6. Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird
or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply
install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described
in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird
folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.


I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird
backed up.


On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.

Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I
never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible.
Help me with this, please?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:
Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your
definition of what is useful is just plain silly.

If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish
jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away. Hell, I wish
microsoft would go away.

\See, it serves no purpose.

There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them.
There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than
imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better
alternative. Wishing one or the other would go away is just
ignorance talking.

If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that
others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to
use it shouldn't do so. I for one much prefer pop3, for several
reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup,
and others.

When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because
they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their
mail? I'm thinking no. Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move
mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to
loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as
well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.

It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for
you, and allow others to use what works for them.


On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got
to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I
don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be
wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server
and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up
using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go
away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the
cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can
always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once
so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question. But I'm
sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

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*Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed
for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

unless you want a permanent collection of all your
received messages off site.

Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
message?

Cheers,

Marcio
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Project Pylennium: Version 1903 posted, last source code only snapshot from Joseph Lee

 

Hi everyone,

 

Here it is, the latest installment of source code only snapshot of NVDA Python 3 edition. This version (1903) includes code from latest alpha snapshot, along with small changes here and there to make NVDA run on Python 3.

 

IMPORTANT: the next few weeks will be a busy time for me outside of NVDA community. Hence, today’s Project Pylennium (Python 3 edition of NVDA) snapshot will be the last source code snapshot from me. I do know that there are NVDA developers who can finish this job at some point (as I’ve been saying for a while now, the overall schedule is determined by NV Access people, so please listen to them as your guide).

 

This announcement does not mean I’m giving up on Python 3 transition work (I did retire from translation work, but am still ready to assist with some code contribution activities). I’m still keeping an eye on Python 3 development (these days, more towards Python 3.8 and what it means for the NVDA community). At this time, I’d like to take a more background role and provide guidance if people need them.

 

NVDA Python 3 Edition Version 1903:

https://www.josephsl.net/files/pylennium/nvdapy37-20190228.zip

 

Keep the following things in mind:

  • You should read and follow directions listed in readme.txt as exactly as shown.
  • This zip file contains everything you need to run NVDA from Python 3 (minus dependencies).
  • Only people who are serious about Python 3 transition and wishing to assist NV Access people and other developers should test this snapshot.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: backing up thunderbird

Arlene
 

Hey list! Arlene here; I'm writing to you on this new win ten laptop.
My win 7 box bit the dust! I lost all sound. A sighted person can
operate it. But I could not. I just got this computer on Tuesday.
One question I want to ask. Can I put Gmail onto Thunderbird? If so,
How can I do it? Thanks! Have a good night!

On 2/28/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Hi Annette,


As far as I can tell, everything is saved. I just updated a day ago and
when I opened the back up version of Thunderbird on my back up system,
the address book, the folder structure (I have 17 sub folders under
Inbox) the layout and even the order of message selection was saved.


On 2/28/2019 4:07 PM, Annette Moore wrote:

ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your
messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually
keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get
everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI
have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard
Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to
go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a
future new computer, that would be great!

Annette

On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when
using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the
following.


1. Close Thunderbird.

2. From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.

3. You are in the roaming folder. This folder contains all the
application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.

4. navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted,
press control + C to copy that folder.

5. Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or
some similar device and you have everything backed up.

6. Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird
or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply
install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described
in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird
folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.


I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird
backed up.


On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.

Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I
never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible.
Help me with this, please?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:

Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your
definition of what is useful is just plain silly.

If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish
jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away. Hell, I wish
microsoft would go away.

\See, it serves no purpose.

There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them.
There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than
imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better
alternative. Wishing one or the other would go away is just
ignorance talking.

If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that
others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to
use it shouldn't do so. I for one much prefer pop3, for several
reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup,
and others.

When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because
they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their
mail? I'm thinking no. Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move
mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to
loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as
well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.

It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for
you, and allow others to use what works for them.


On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got
to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I
don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be
wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
Of *Sarah k Alawami
*Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server
and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up
using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go
away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the
cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can
always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once
so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question. But I'm
sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

*From:*marcio via Groups.Io
<mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>

*Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM

*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

*Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed
for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

unless you want a permanent collection of all your
received messages off site.

Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
message?

Cheers,

Marcio
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Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Monte Single
 

Yes, k 1000  is about 1000 u s dollars.

You could buy  2 computers for that money;.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February-28-19 8:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

 

I have abbyy fine reader, thats 300 australian, and I have the latest upgrades for that, I looked at omnipage though and thats 210 dollars nz just for that.

Is omnipage ultimate worth it, I don't use it much at 500 bucks, I wasn't really thinking of getting that, pluss my brother scanner has paperport with it to.

At any rate, I have spent a few weeks trying to get back my serial from abbyy for my scanner ocr product and I have spent about 600 on synths and and windows addition upgrades on this new laptop I got last year.

To be honest if I could afford it, I'd get the k1000 program, which has everything in it but its probably more than omnipage ultimate.

 

 

On 1/03/2019 11:13 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork

 

One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.

 

Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:

I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis




Re: backing up thunderbird

Annette Moore
 

Oh, yay! thank you for letting me know that. glad everything was saved for you. :)

Annette

On 2/28/2019 8:48 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Annette,


As far as I can tell, everything is saved. I just updated a day ago and when I opened the back up version of Thunderbird on my back up system, the address book, the folder structure (I have 17 sub folders under Inbox) the layout and even the order of message selection was saved.


On 2/28/2019 4:07 PM, Annette Moore wrote:

ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a future new computer, that would be great!

Annette

On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the following.


1.  Close Thunderbird.

2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.

3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.

4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted, press control + C to copy that folder.

5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or some similar device and you have everything backed up.

6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.


I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird backed up.


On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.

Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible. Help me with this, please?

Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:

Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your definition of what is useful is just plain silly.

If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away.  Hell, I wish microsoft would go away.

\See, it serves no purpose.

There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them.  There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just ignorance talking.

If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup, and others.

When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.

It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for you, and allow others to use what works for them.


On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm sure you can delete messages if you wish.  As I understand it, you can keep a large number on the server if you wish. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

unless you want a permanent collection of all your received messages off site. 

Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any message?

Cheers,


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Re: Brave browser

Sue J. Ward
 

Hello. I have been reading about the browser and I did download it and I have it on both windows 10 machines. One of them is a windows 10 home 64 bit and the other one is a windows 10 pro 64 bit and the browsers work great on both PCS. What I did was I turned a lot of the stuff I wanted off and the stuff I wanted on just like how I have it set up in Chrome and opera and it works great. I do have the adds blocked on and the tracking protection on plus after I installed it I did a scan with addwcleaner and it did not find anything. Plus I downloaded the extensions just like in chrome the sound on click extensions and the download sound extention and it works great. You guys should really give it a try with NVDA cause it is similar to Chrome and opera. I am impressed and happy.
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Re: backing up thunderbird

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Annette,


As far as I can tell, everything is saved. I just updated a day ago and when I opened the back up version of Thunderbird on my back up system, the address book, the folder structure (I have 17 sub folders under Inbox) the layout and even the order of message selection was saved.


On 2/28/2019 4:07 PM, Annette Moore wrote:

ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a future new computer, that would be great!

Annette

On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the following.


1.  Close Thunderbird.

2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.

3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.

4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted, press control + C to copy that folder.

5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or some similar device and you have everything backed up.

6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.


I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird backed up.


On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.

Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible. Help me with this, please?

Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:

Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your definition of what is useful is just plain silly.

If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away.  Hell, I wish microsoft would go away.

\See, it serves no purpose.

There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them.  There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just ignorance talking.

If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup, and others.

When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.

It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for you, and allow others to use what works for them.


On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once so am not going back to pop3.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:

I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm sure you can delete messages if you wish.  As I understand it, you can keep a large number on the server if you wish. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:

unless you want a permanent collection of all your received messages off site. 

Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any message?

Cheers,


Virus-free. www.avast.com

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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: Brave browser

 

That is a problem what happened when you tried to uninstall that brouser out of interest.

That what eventually drove me away from a lot of bundled things, they always managed to screw somet6hing up after uninstall.

I once had a network wide security package which was really good till it did something I didn't want it to do and decided to change it.

On removing it completely, it blocked and dammaged so much of windows I had to reformat all my pcs to say the least I was happy I never payed money for it.



On 1/03/2019 11:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

When I tried it several months ago, it worked, though it didn't work well enough to make it a primary browser.  I did have one heck of a time getting it uninstalled though. 

This brave browser is based on chromium, which means it's opensource, so if you're concerned about security, go look at the source code, and set your mind to rest.

On 2/28/2019 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

Vivaldi!  What a neat name for a browser!
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

Indeed, there are many other Chromium browsers out there.

Which reminds me, has anybody else taken Vivaldi for a spin?

I love how customisable it is but so far my screen-reader experience is a bit cluttered, and not all controls behave as I think they should.

It should be tweakable though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February 27, 2019 10:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.

 

Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.

 

 

On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:

If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

How do we know this is a safe browser?

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

 

I have abbyy fine reader, thats 300 australian, and I have the latest upgrades for that, I looked at omnipage though and thats 210 dollars nz just for that.

Is omnipage ultimate worth it, I don't use it much at 500 bucks, I wasn't really thinking of getting that, pluss my brother scanner has paperport with it to.

At any rate, I have spent a few weeks trying to get back my serial from abbyy for my scanner ocr product and I have spent about 600 on synths and and windows addition upgrades on this new laptop I got last year.

To be honest if I could afford it, I'd get the k1000 program, which has everything in it but its probably more than omnipage ultimate.



On 1/03/2019 11:13 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork


One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.


Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis