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Re: Brave browser

Gene
 

All this is a perfect illustration of why I say people should have System Restore on.  All the work you did, including checking the registry, which you haven't done yet, could have been avoided by uninstalling the program, then running a System Restore point from before the installation.  Microsoft even says that a bad uninstallation is one use for System Restore. 
 
There is a minor risk when you run programs that move files around like system restore but its small and people use system restore and usually don't have unexpected problems if they use it correctly. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

Even after removing it, it left a program in the startup that was to update it.  I don't know why it didn't remove the update program after the uninstall.  I had to go into the directory where it had been installed, and remove the update program manually after killing it from task manager.  A reboot, and it went away, and hasn't come back, but I'm fairly sure there's still some mention of it in my registry, though I've not checked just yet, but I think that's something I'll have to do just to make sure it's truly gone.  I don't like programs that insert themselves into my boot sequence.  Wait until I run the silly thing, then ask me if I want to update it or not.  I don't believe I'll be using vivaldi anytime in the future, even if they do manage to make it completely accessible, just because of that little stunt.


On 2/28/2019 9:13 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

That is a problem what happened when you tried to uninstall that brouser out of interest.

That what eventually drove me away from a lot of bundled things, they always managed to screw somet6hing up after uninstall.

I once had a network wide security package which was really good till it did something I didn't want it to do and decided to change it.

On removing it completely, it blocked and dammaged so much of windows I had to reformat all my pcs to say the least I was happy I never payed money for it.



On 1/03/2019 11:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

When I tried it several months ago, it worked, though it didn't work well enough to make it a primary browser.  I did have one heck of a time getting it uninstalled though. 

This brave browser is based on chromium, which means it's opensource, so if you're concerned about security, go look at the source code, and set your mind to rest.

On 2/28/2019 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

Vivaldi!  What a neat name for a browser!
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

Indeed, there are many other Chromium browsers out there.

Which reminds me, has anybody else taken Vivaldi for a spin?

I love how customisable it is but so far my screen-reader experience is a bit cluttered, and not all controls behave as I think they should.

It should be tweakable though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February 27, 2019 10:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.

 

Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.

 

 

On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:

If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

How do we know this is a safe browser?

 

 

-- 
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Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Golden Cursor question

Gene
 

Yes, once you are in the JAWS cursor, you move it and then click it.  Why NVDA doesn't work that way in screen review mode is something that may be explained by someone who knows about NVDA technically.  Its only one extra command so I don't consider it important but its an interesting question.  I suspect there is something technically about the way screen review works that caused this not to be done.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

Jean,

 

Once you select JAWS cursor though, the mouse moves with the JAWS cursor, so you don’t need to route it.

 

In the same scenario, if you put NVDA into review mode, it moves the review cursor, but not the mouse, so for every click, you have two keystrokes instead of one.  You can make JAWS behave like NVDA by using the invisible cursor, but I don’t really see the point in that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 01 March 2019 14:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Does JAWS allow this?  I don't see the advantage.  In JAWS, you have to turn on the JAWS cursor and turning it on or routing it requires one command.  When you route it, that both routes it and turns on the JAWS cursor in one command so I see no advantage to automatic routing.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Yes, I believe NVDA is the only screen reader that doesn’t seem to allow this.  Tethering cursors is often a good idea.

 

I said I  believe, because I don’t know NVDA well enough to know the definitive answer.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 28 February 2019 16:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

I have it set up like that on mac. Where ever my pc curser is my mouse curser follows etc. Where ever my mouse curser is my pc curser follows. I love it and clicking is way easier when I have to. Hmm. If I could code I'd make an add on for that.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 8:11, Gene wrote:

I haven't checked.  I'm not sure whether it is a good idea.  others may have comments.  Sometimes just moving the mouse may cause things to occur that you may not want.  But I haven't experimented with this enough to know if it would cause inconveniences or problems often enough to worry about. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message

From: Kenny

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

So basically you use the Review cursor to navigate the screen. Then when you land on a spot which you want to click, you route the mouse pointer to that review cursor position [NVDA]+[Slash] and then hit [Slash] to left mouse click on it?

 

Is there an      option that will automatically tether the mouse pointer to the review cursor, so I only need press [Slash] to click on an element, without having to route to it first?

 

On 2/18/2019 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:

In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.

 

There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.

 

To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  

 

If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.

 

Gene  

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Even the business solution of Skype  named Skype for business in Office 365 plus is most accessible and easy to navigate

 

Cheers,

  Ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bianka Brankovic
Sent: Freitag, 1. März 2019 11:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chat Solutions for NVDA users

 

Hello Sam and all,

 

the last time I tried, Google Meet looked quite good, it’s included in GSuite.

 

You might want to look into Zoom’s business solutions too.

 

I have worked with the Zoom client using Mac, Iphone and Windows and they really make an effort to make their app accessible. I just had a quick look at Zoom Cloud Meetings and it looks really good with NVDA.

 

Thanks and kind regards,

 

Bianka

 

 


Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

I use it often at work and it is fully accessible for me. You got all events announced and you can jump through the different parts of the interface with shortcuts. It even lets you positioning the cursor on the running presentation and NVDA-r (OCR) reads it to you, amazing stuff.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Did zoom fix its accessibility issues for nvda?
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Chat Solutions for NVDA users


Hello Sam and all,

the last time I tried, Google Meet looked quite good, it’s included in
GSuite.

You might want to look into Zoom’s business solutions too.

I have worked with the Zoom client using Mac, Iphone and Windows and they
really make an effort to make their app accessible. I just had a quick
look at Zoom Cloud Meetings and it looks really good with NVDA.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka





Re: Brave browser

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Even after removing it, it left a program in the startup that was to update it.  I don't know why it didn't remove the update program after the uninstall.  I had to go into the directory where it had been installed, and remove the update program manually after killing it from task manager.  A reboot, and it went away, and hasn't come back, but I'm fairly sure there's still some mention of it in my registry, though I've not checked just yet, but I think that's something I'll have to do just to make sure it's truly gone.  I don't like programs that insert themselves into my boot sequence.  Wait until I run the silly thing, then ask me if I want to update it or not.  I don't believe I'll be using vivaldi anytime in the future, even if they do manage to make it completely accessible, just because of that little stunt.


On 2/28/2019 9:13 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

That is a problem what happened when you tried to uninstall that brouser out of interest.

That what eventually drove me away from a lot of bundled things, they always managed to screw somet6hing up after uninstall.

I once had a network wide security package which was really good till it did something I didn't want it to do and decided to change it.

On removing it completely, it blocked and dammaged so much of windows I had to reformat all my pcs to say the least I was happy I never payed money for it.



On 1/03/2019 11:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

When I tried it several months ago, it worked, though it didn't work well enough to make it a primary browser.  I did have one heck of a time getting it uninstalled though. 

This brave browser is based on chromium, which means it's opensource, so if you're concerned about security, go look at the source code, and set your mind to rest.

On 2/28/2019 4:28 PM, Andy wrote:

Vivaldi!  What a neat name for a browser!
 
Andy
 
----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

Indeed, there are many other Chromium browsers out there.

Which reminds me, has anybody else taken Vivaldi for a spin?

I love how customisable it is but so far my screen-reader experience is a bit cluttered, and not all controls behave as I think they should.

It should be tweakable though.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: February 27, 2019 10:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

Well its the latest chromium alternertive.

FFull add blocking and extra security.

review here.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3292619/web-browsers/the-brave-browser-basics-what-it-does-how-it-differs-from-rivals.html

I do caution users, in the article link I pasted above the eventual plan for brave is to replace all adds from other's websites and tracks with its own adds and trackers or at least thats what I read.

Some antimalware and security tools detect brave as malware though they say its false.

Reviews seem generally good now, but I am not sure.

If this brouser is replacing adds with its own, there is no garantee that eventually you trade a malware free environment with using another echosystem, with its own adds, trackers, and malware thrown in.

This is a really new project, its not the first chromium sourced brouser and it will not be the last.

One other thing to note, its not a main stay brouser like chrome, firefox, ie and edge, so interface wize while it may be good, a supported brouser that is supported is better than one which may have issues.

Now saying that with nvda that probably doesn't matter as such because of the fact nvda itself is basically a scripted program built using modern techniques and using commen os access commands and apis.

But Its probable that if you run something like dolphin stuff you won't get access and its unlikely that it would be supported by jaws or anything like that.

The thing I don't care for is trading all the malware I have to deal with now with eventually another person's adds.

If I am ready to do this, I may as well uninstall my antimalware software and turn off my firewall.

Users do have glowing reviews right now but its new.

 

Now if you want to try it you probably won't have any issues doing so however who knows.

Ports come and go.

It may have some big names developing it but look at piriform.

CCleaner is a good program, it used to be really good till piriform went with avast.

Now ccleaner is its own malware, and sadly it does do malwareish things, trying to have quickclean run, and a entire load of other things I have to modify my ini file every day or so.

Its interface or at least the main interface panel is total crap access wize.

And it comes with avast which is total crap access wize to.

I used to use programs with dvdvideosoftware they used to have google spyware in them and I don't care about google because I use that but later it had conduit then opencandy, then a lot of other junk and I had to get rid of it and reformat my system to get rid of all the extra junkware.

Sadly it seems to be the rage, any software that is bundled with any software is pritty much malware because most of the time the user has not requested that software so its malware.

THats another issue with brave, it does not block google adds or google trackers, so we know who is funding brave now.

Now if brave got cash from doubleclick, yahoo adds and all the other add makers to have their adds unblocked then we have a problem.

I know that with waterfox I have full control, and I have blocked google and all sort of extras.

 

 

On 28/02/2019 11:12 AM, Gene wrote:

If people do a Google or other search engine search for something like Brave browser review, they may find knowledgeable assessments of the browser. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2019 4:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Brave browser

 

How do we know this is a safe browser?

 

 

-- 
Dan Beaver (KC4DOY)

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Jean,

 

Once you select JAWS cursor though, the mouse moves with the JAWS cursor, so you don’t need to route it.

 

In the same scenario, if you put NVDA into review mode, it moves the review cursor, but not the mouse, so for every click, you have two keystrokes instead of one.  You can make JAWS behave like NVDA by using the invisible cursor, but I don’t really see the point in that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 01 March 2019 14:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Does JAWS allow this?  I don't see the advantage.  In JAWS, you have to turn on the JAWS cursor and turning it on or routing it requires one command.  When you route it, that both routes it and turns on the JAWS cursor in one command so I see no advantage to automatic routing.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 8:40 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Yes, I believe NVDA is the only screen reader that doesn’t seem to allow this.  Tethering cursors is often a good idea.

 

I said I  believe, because I don’t know NVDA well enough to know the definitive answer.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 28 February 2019 16:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

I have it set up like that on mac. Where ever my pc curser is my mouse curser follows etc. Where ever my mouse curser is my pc curser follows. I love it and clicking is way easier when I have to. Hmm. If I could code I'd make an add on for that.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 8:11, Gene wrote:

I haven't checked.  I'm not sure whether it is a good idea.  others may have comments.  Sometimes just moving the mouse may cause things to occur that you may not want.  But I haven't experimented with this enough to know if it would cause inconveniences or problems often enough to worry about. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message

From: Kenny

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

So basically you use the Review cursor to navigate the screen. Then when you land on a spot which you want to click, you route the mouse pointer to that review cursor position [NVDA]+[Slash] and then hit [Slash] to left mouse click on it?

 

Is there an      option that will automatically tether the mouse pointer to the review cursor, so I only need press [Slash] to click on an element, without having to route to it first?

 

On 2/18/2019 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:

In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.

 

There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.

 

To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  

 

If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.

 

Gene  

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Golden Cursor question

Gene
 

Does JAWS allow this?  I don't see the advantage.  In JAWS, you have to turn on the JAWS cursor and turning it on or routing it requires one command.  When you route it, that both routes it and turns on the JAWS cursor in one command so I see no advantage to automatic routing.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

Yes, I believe NVDA is the only screen reader that doesn’t seem to allow this.  Tethering cursors is often a good idea.

 

I said I  believe, because I don’t know NVDA well enough to know the definitive answer.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 28 February 2019 16:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

I have it set up like that on mac. Where ever my pc curser is my mouse curser follows etc. Where ever my mouse curser is my pc curser follows. I love it and clicking is way easier when I have to. Hmm. If I could code I'd make an add on for that.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 8:11, Gene wrote:

I haven't checked.  I'm not sure whether it is a good idea.  others may have comments.  Sometimes just moving the mouse may cause things to occur that you may not want.  But I haven't experimented with this enough to know if it would cause inconveniences or problems often enough to worry about. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message

From: Kenny

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

So basically you use the Review cursor to navigate the screen. Then when you land on a spot which you want to click, you route the mouse pointer to that review cursor position [NVDA]+[Slash] and then hit [Slash] to left mouse click on it?

 

Is there an      option that will automatically tether the mouse pointer to the review cursor, so I only need press [Slash] to click on an element, without having to route to it first?

 

On 2/18/2019 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:

In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.

 

There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.

 

To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  

 

If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.

 

Gene  

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Kwork
 

Yes, tremendously. Thank you.

On 3/1/2019 5:24 AM, Hendrik Steyn wrote:

I use ABBYY and it works well with NVDA. I use V14.0. Hope this helps.

Hendrik

On 01/03/2019 14:23, Gene wrote:
I believe they both have demos.  Omnipage had a bug for years, perhaps more than a decade.  I don't know if it has been corrected.  When decolumnizing two or more columns of print on a page or when decolumnizing two pages scanned as though it was one page, parts of sentences would be misplaced.  Fine Reader never had this bug.  I see no reason to assume that Omnipage is generally better.  It may be roughly equivalent in terms of quality but if that bug still remains, that is a serious detraction, especially since a lot of PDF documents have more than one column that is going to be decolumnized. 
 
But if both have demos and you try them, be sure you use some PDF documents you know have at least two columns that must be decolumnized.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Thank you adrian. I've heard of OmniPage, and remember it being the defacto for many before Finereader came along.

All suggestions are welcome.

Travis

On 2/28/2019 3:13 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork


One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.


Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis





Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Kwork
 

Good point Gene. I remember that bug now. Your message reminded me of it. Right now I'm leaning more towards Finereader if I do purchase something. Demos are good.

Travis

On 3/1/2019 5:23 AM, Gene wrote:
I believe they both have demos.  Omnipage had a bug for years, perhaps more than a decade.  I don't know if it has been corrected.  When decolumnizing two or more columns of print on a page or when decolumnizing two pages scanned as though it was one page, parts of sentences would be misplaced.  Fine Reader never had this bug.  I see no reason to assume that Omnipage is generally better.  It may be roughly equivalent in terms of quality but if that bug still remains, that is a serious detraction, especially since a lot of PDF documents have more than one column that is going to be decolumnized. 
 
But if both have demos and you try them, be sure you use some PDF documents you know have at least two columns that must be decolumnized.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Thank you adrian. I've heard of OmniPage, and remember it being the defacto for many before Finereader came along.

All suggestions are welcome.

Travis

On 2/28/2019 3:13 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork


One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.


Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis





Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

 

I'd also try writing Zoom's accessibility team as well. I haven't used the chat feature all that much, so can't comment, but below is zoom's accessibility team email.

access@...

below is their ticket system.

http://support.zoom.us/


Re: Golden Cursor question

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, I believe NVDA is the only screen reader that doesn’t seem to allow this.  Tethering cursors is often a good idea.

 

I said I  believe, because I don’t know NVDA well enough to know the definitive answer.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: 28 February 2019 16:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

I have it set up like that on mac. Where ever my pc curser is my mouse curser follows etc. Where ever my mouse curser is my pc curser follows. I love it and clicking is way easier when I have to. Hmm. If I could code I'd make an add on for that.

On 28 Feb 2019, at 8:11, Gene wrote:

I haven't checked.  I'm not sure whether it is a good idea.  others may have comments.  Sometimes just moving the mouse may cause things to occur that you may not want.  But I haven't experimented with this enough to know if it would cause inconveniences or problems often enough to worry about. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message

From: Kenny

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:06 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

So basically you use the Review cursor to navigate the screen. Then when you land on a spot which you want to click, you route the mouse pointer to that review cursor position [NVDA]+[Slash] and then hit [Slash] to left mouse click on it?

 

Is there an      option that will automatically tether the mouse pointer to the review cursor, so I only need press [Slash] to click on an element, without having to route to it first?

 

On 2/18/2019 12:00 PM, Gene wrote:

In the following response, I shall give desktop layout commands.  I don't use the laptop layout and don't know those commands for what we are discussing.

 

There aren't specifically mouse movement keys such as in JAWS.  Read the review section of the manual or the relevant parts.  5.5 is a relevant section.  I'm not sure if there are any others.  You will see such commands as num[pad 9, move to next line, numpad 8, read current line, numpad 7 move to and read previous line.  These are review keys and don't affect the application, they review the screen.  I'm talking about what they do in screen review mode.  They have similar functions when in object navigation but they apply to the object that has focus.

 

To move the mouse to the review position, use the command numpad insert numpad slash.  To left click the mouse, use numpad slash. To right click, use numpad Times, which I believe is also the asterisk.  It's immediately to the right of numpad slash.  

 

If you can't find how to do something in NVDA, it is not good methodology or procedure to assume that it can't be done.  Asking here may provide information about how to do it or of an add-on that does.

 

Gene  

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 4:47 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hello Jean,

 

So what are the mouse movement keys via the keyboard then?  I’m sorry I can’t find them.

 

Thanks.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 18 February 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

You can move the mouse with the keyboard now.  You can't move it as precisely.  I don't have an opinion about whether the Golden Cursor features should be incorporated into the source code.  But your implication that the mouse can't be moved without the Golden Cursor is not correct.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Monday, February 18, 2019 2:27 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Jean,

 

I think the whole Golden Cursor thing should be in NVDA to be honest.  The ability to move the mouse using the keyboard has been in screen readers, since the invention of Windows.

 

Supernova has it, System Access has it, JAWS has it, Window-Eyes was best at it, and so on.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 17 February 2019 20:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

The search feature should, I think, be in NVDA, not in the Golden Cursor. This is important funcionality and is too important to depend on a user downloading an add-on to have it available.

 

Gene 

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2019 1:58 PM

Subject: [nvda] Golden Cursor question

 

Hi,

 

In my efforts to find out if Golden Cursor is as good as the mouse with JAWS, I’d say not quite.  Let me explain.

 

I just downloaded it, and there seems to be no way to search for a string of text within GC and have the mouse land on that text, so you can just click it, without routing, saving positions, etc.

 

Could this possibly be added?  A Mouse Search in NVDA?  I use Search in JAWS cursor all the time, and it moves the mouse to where I want it.

 

Or am I really stupid and missing it?

 

Someone suggested that GC does more than the JAWS cursor, but I don’t really see that.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

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Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Hendrik Steyn <groothendrik.steyn@...>
 

I use ABBYY and it works well with NVDA. I use V14.0. Hope this helps.

Hendrik

On 01/03/2019 14:23, Gene wrote:
I believe they both have demos.  Omnipage had a bug for years, perhaps more than a decade.  I don't know if it has been corrected.  When decolumnizing two or more columns of print on a page or when decolumnizing two pages scanned as though it was one page, parts of sentences would be misplaced.  Fine Reader never had this bug.  I see no reason to assume that Omnipage is generally better.  It may be roughly equivalent in terms of quality but if that bug still remains, that is a serious detraction, especially since a lot of PDF documents have more than one column that is going to be decolumnized. 
 
But if both have demos and you try them, be sure you use some PDF documents you know have at least two columns that must be decolumnized.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Thank you adrian. I've heard of OmniPage, and remember it being the defacto for many before Finereader came along.

All suggestions are welcome.

Travis

On 2/28/2019 3:13 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork


One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.


Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis





Re: backing up thunderbird

Gene
 

I would suggest getting a cheap perhaps ten or fifteen U.S. dollar sound card and seeing if you can use the old computer with it.  its good to have another computer available and I always have at least two functioning computers available.  I recall you lost sound but that may mean your built-in sound card is no longer working.  All it may need is a USB sound card to get audio back.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: backing up thunderbirdRe: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

Hey list! Arlene here; I'm writing to you on this new win ten laptop.
My win 7 box bit the dust! I lost all sound. A sighted person can
operate it.  But I could not. I just got this computer on Tuesday.
One question I want to ask. Can I put Gmail onto Thunderbird? If so,
How can I do it? Thanks! Have a good night!

On 2/28/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
> Hi Annette,
>
>
> As far as I can tell, everything is saved. I just updated a day ago and
> when I opened the back up version of Thunderbird on my back up system,
> the address book, the folder structure (I have 17 sub folders under
> Inbox) the layout and even the order of message selection was saved.
>
>
> On 2/28/2019 4:07 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
>>
>> ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your
>> messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually
>> keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get
>> everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI
>> have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard
>> Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to
>> go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a
>> future new computer, that would be great!
>>
>> Annette
>>
>> On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>> This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when
>>> using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the
>>> following.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.  Close Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> 2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.
>>>
>>> 3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the
>>> application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> 4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted,
>>> press control + C to copy that folder.
>>>
>>> 5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or
>>> some similar device and you have everything backed up.
>>>
>>> 6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird
>>> or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply
>>> install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described
>>> in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird
>>> folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird
>>> backed up.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> 100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I
>>>> never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible.
>>>> Help me with this, please?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Marcio
>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
>>>>
>>>> Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your
>>>>> definition of what is useful is just plain silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish
>>>>> jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away.  Hell, I wish
>>>>> microsoft would go away.
>>>>>
>>>>> \See, it serves no purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them.
>>>>> There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than
>>>>> imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better
>>>>> alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just
>>>>> ignorance talking.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that
>>>>> others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to
>>>>> use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several
>>>>> reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup,
>>>>> and others.
>>>>>
>>>>> When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because
>>>>> they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their
>>>>> mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move
>>>>> mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to
>>>>> loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as
>>>>> well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for
>>>>> you, and allow others to use what works for them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got
>>>>>> to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I
>>>>>> don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be
>>>>>> wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>>>>>> Of *Sarah k Alawami
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
>>>>>> Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server
>>>>>> and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up
>>>>>> using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go
>>>>>> away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the
>>>>>> cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can
>>>>>> always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once
>>>>>> so am not going back to pop3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm
>>>>>>     sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
>>>>>>     you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *From:*marcio via Groups.Io
>>>>>>     <mailto:marcinhorj21@...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed
>>>>>>     for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         unless you want a permanent collection of all your
>>>>>>         received messages off site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
>>>>>>     message?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Marcio
>>>>>>     Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon>
>>>>>
>>>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com
>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>
>
> --
> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>
>
>
>
>



Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

It opens files jpg, jpeg, png and pdf

It can read automatically the documents or you can read with NVDA.

Rui Fontes




Às 10:13 de 01/03/2019, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:

Can knfb reader import the file types needed if they are pictures and work with them. I see its now on pc if you get it for another platform.
One supposes it self voices, or does it work with nvda.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Abbyy FineReader, OmniPage and KNFB Reader are some of the best options...

Rui Fontes


Às 21:52 de 28/02/2019, Kwork escreveu:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis





.


Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Gene
 

I believe they both have demos.  Omnipage had a bug for years, perhaps more than a decade.  I don't know if it has been corrected.  When decolumnizing two or more columns of print on a page or when decolumnizing two pages scanned as though it was one page, parts of sentences would be misplaced.  Fine Reader never had this bug.  I see no reason to assume that Omnipage is generally better.  It may be roughly equivalent in terms of quality but if that bug still remains, that is a serious detraction, especially since a lot of PDF documents have more than one column that is going to be decolumnized. 
 
But if both have demos and you try them, be sure you use some PDF documents you know have at least two columns that must be decolumnized.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 5:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

Thank you adrian. I've heard of OmniPage, and remember it being the defacto for many before Finereader came along.

All suggestions are welcome.

Travis

On 2/28/2019 3:13 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Hi Kwork


One outstanding piece of software is OmniPage Ultimate.

It also has the ability to convert a document into mp3.

Depends if you want to spend a lot or not, if you are going to use it a lot then maybe or use an android phone using adobe and acrobat apps together which does work well but a bit of a learning curve.


Hope this helps a bit.

Best Adrian Pocock.

On 28/02/2019 21:52, Kwork wrote:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis





Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello again,

I wrote:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7754

I have tested with the newest Zoom version.

There is one bug still remaining, namely you cannot review your written text in Zooms chat field
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/8804

The issues with Zoom messages not being announced and Mute/unmute not being announced apparently have been solved.

Tested with the newest Zoom version, Win 10 and Nvda-2018-4.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


Re: Windows OCR Programs for jpg and pdf files

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Brian,


Are you saing that KNFB Reader is now free on pc if you import it from other platforms?


I bought it for Android (never was there a greater waste of money!), and I was told by Support that, if I wanted to install it on Windows, i had to buy a new license. Has that changed now?


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 01/03/2019 11:13, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Can knfb reader import the file types needed if they are pictures and work with them. I see its now on pc if you get it for another platform.
One supposes it self voices, or does it work with nvda.
Brian

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Abbyy FineReader, OmniPage and KNFB Reader are some of the best options...

Rui Fontes


Às 21:52 de 28/02/2019, Kwork escreveu:
I'm looking for a good and NVDA accessible OCR program that will work on jpg and pdf files. I've heard that ABBYY FineReader has been recommended in the past, but wondered what would fill my needs now. I don't have a physical scanner, so that's not a consideration at this time. Thank you.

Travis








Re: Chat Solutions for NVDA users

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hi Brian,

I found the following but haven't tested it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7754


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Did zoom fix its accessibility issues for nvda?
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Hello Sam and all,

the last time I tried, Google Meet looked quite good, it’s included in
GSuite.

You might want to look into Zoom’s business solutions too.

I have worked with the Zoom client using Mac, Iphone and Windows and they
really make an effort to make their app accessible. I just had a quick
look at Zoom Cloud Meetings and it looks really good with NVDA.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka





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Did zoom fix its accessibility issues for nvda?
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Hello Sam and all,

the last time I tried, Google Meet looked quite good, it’s included in GSuite.

You might want to look into Zoom’s business solutions too.

I have worked with the Zoom client using Mac, Iphone and Windows and they really make an effort to make their app accessible. I just had a quick look at Zoom Cloud Meetings and it looks really good with NVDA.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka




Re: In-Process for 1st March 2019

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Hi thanks, very interesting. Yes you need somebody with an overall view to organise stuff, so hope he can cope!
Programmers can be a difficult bunch to work with as they tend to have their own views on a lot of stuff.
Believe me I know...

I agree about responsiveness but also some of the responsiveness elsewhere needs a look. recent threads in the user list on lack of reading infoo with alt/tab or when folders are first opened etc, as also in web browsers sometimes has been an intermittent problem for some time, so if somebody could look at that it might be nice. I suspect the answer is in an old bit of code from way back which just does not see events or pass them on or it gets overwritten by something else.



Do people really come to computers as a blind person not knowing the basic keystrokes of Windows though? It has not been my experience generally, but often those who have become blinder, over the years who were mouse people can be in this category, and I think it does need saying in documents that this is an nvda command but this is a windows native command and that can make it a lot easier to troubleshoot problems folk are having.

No shant be going to the states, sorry!

My brain hurts thinking of it. I used to exhibit at small computer shows here in the UK back in the 90s, but I found the throngs of bodies and noise far too distracting, and usually lost my voice by the end of the day.
Anyway thanks again and as I do not want to be grabbed by the talons of our new moderator, I'll add the phrase that this is not a conversation, merely a reaction to your article.
Brian

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Hi everyone,

I've got a bumper issue today!

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Read it here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-1st-march-2019/

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