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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zachary Morris
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hello,
That was my laptop as well. When it was on insider builds, NVDA would be super slow with UIAa and everywhere in general. NVDA also used to crash during updates, and going back to a stable version of windows helped it significantly.

On 3/2/2019 09:28, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
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I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left
the project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep
up with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in
late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right
now, and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to
help? This project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to
fight for it in any way I possibly can.

On 3/2/2019 09:28, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.
I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the
project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up
with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 11:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi Molly,
I am running version 1809 (OS build 17763.316.
I am experiencing a lot of silent moments, some sputtering and at times I have to restart NVDA. It is happenbing on both my laptops HP and Acer both have 8GB RAM and 1T hard drive.
Thanks.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
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Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the
project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up
with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cisco
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

hi again. so, regarding this topic: i have the latest stable version of windows, build 1809 win nvda 2018.4.1 running on a laptop with an octacore i 7 eighth gen, 12 gigs of ram and one tb of hard disk, with out ssd.

regarding insider previews, i had them installed on my previous pc and there was no problem.

On 3/2/2019 4:28 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
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Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left
the project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep
up with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in
late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right
now, and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to
help? This project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to
fight for it in any way I possibly can.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
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Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the
project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up
with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.

The easiest way I've found to edit or delete words in a dictionary with many entries is to go to AppDate/Roaming/NVDA/speechDicts and then open either the default.dic file or a dictionary in one of the voiceDicts folder in a text editor like Notepad where you can use the normal search methods to find the word, or part of a word, pattern or its replacement.

In the file the flag for whether it is case sensative is 1 for true and 0 for false. The second number is the flag for whether it is anywehre, whole word only or a regular expression ... anywehre is 0, regular expression is 1 and whole word is 2.

For example, a entry I added the other day was to get the word dynasty to be pronounced the UK way rather than the American way. This is the line of the default.dic file ... in case it doesn't show up here I'll indicate the tab character with [tab]
dynasty[tab]dinasty[tab]0[tab]0

If you make edits to a dictionary file then you have to re-start NVDA for the dictionary edits to take effect, but it is often far easier doing it that way than trying to find the word you want to edit in the NVDA dictionary manager.

Hope you find this useful :)

Giles

On 3/2/2019 4:28 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi ☺
What version of Windows are you running? I found the insider previews made my machine very unstable, which in turn caused NVDA not to work properly. Switching to the latest stable release fixed the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
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Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the
project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up
with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.

On 3/2/2019 10:28 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:

It has nothing to do with NVDA. It is the Windows OS that is unstable and that affects NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working fine and the next it is sputtering to the point you have to restart NVDA so frequently that it becomes useless. I am seriously considering switching to a Mac.
Blessings
Pascal
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 3:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,
it's plain and simple: NVDA will be around as long as people care enough to contribute. Such premature requiems may actually convince some people not to contribute or donate as they feel they'd be riding a dead horse. In other words, these rumors are directly damaging NVDA's health and should be loudly and publicly debunked lest they become self-fulfilling prophecies.
Best,
Felix

On 3/2/2019 4:14 PM, Mallard wrote:

Hello Cisco,


Welcome to this great group!


I'm from Italy too, and it's so good to know there are such talented young kids over here!


And you must be very talented indeed, if you can play all those instrument at such a young age.


I hope you will like our community, and find lots of good advice.


Ciao, take care,

Ollie




Il 02/03/2019 12:26, cisco ha scritto:

Hello all. my name is Cisco and I am from Italy.

I started using NVDA when i was 8 years old, now I am 14..

i am a musitian, who plays the violin, the guitar and the piano.

well, from me, for now, that's all! have a grate day!


Cisco Tissera.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Yes, the issue is the Windows environment which causes havoc with the NVDA each time it is updated. As a result, one day NVDA is working just fine and the next it is sputtering, stuttering, and you have to restart it so frequently. The situation is so frustrating that I am considering switching to a Mac computer.
Blessings
Pascal
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Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the
project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up
with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 3:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,
it's plain and simple: NVDA will be around as long as people care enough to contribute. Such premature requiems may actually convince some people not to contribute or donate as they feel they'd be riding a dead horse. In other words, these rumors are directly damaging NVDA's health and should be loudly and publicly debunked lest they become self-fulfilling prophecies.
Best,
Felix

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Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

I don't believe that is true at all. The issue you mention applies to all screenreaders, and is why there are fewer than their were.
My reading of the situation is this, but its my opinion and I do not want to start a war here, so if you want to discuss this use a more general group.
1 Windows is effectively putting out a new version of windows every 6 months. This gives problems to screenreaders as they do change a lot of the api.
2. They are really ramping up Narrator development and changing keys to agree more with NVDA by the looks of recent releases.
3 A lot of people are still clinging to Windows 7 as they did with XP, and of course this complicates things a lot.
Due to new changes in Windows for example the new ARM processor architecture is being implemented for windows and most people are going to then have to cater for.
32 bit X86, 32 bit and 64 bit new architecture and the current multi core I series of 64 bit chips as well.
Thus NVDA has to move to Python 3.x as I see Dropbox also has recently, and that is not a trivial issue considering the changes to the language and all the various add ons and bits of code written by contributors out there.
It might get a bit rough, but unless somebody else quits then I think things will get better. The more complex things get the more can and does go wrong.

I do think that NVDA is coping well with the changes up to now, and do not think that Jaws has got away Scot free, I saw many updates last year and although I have not signed up this year as any changes will only affect windows 10 which I am avoiding as long as possible for the reasons mentioned, then I do not know. It seems to me that Jaws are effectively inventing mini apps to cope with things that they cannot cope with. This started with virtual ribbon emulation of old menus etc. I actually like that idea as to me ribbons only make sense to the sighted with an overview, but that is debatable and not something I want to get into on here.
Look at it this way though, it does seem that if you really want to keep up you may need to learn Narrator and nvda and sometimes even Jaws who can of course afford to do more with their larger budget.
Oh, and talking about Jamie? I have seen several recent code changes from him in the last few days, and he is active on the github list as well, so he is still around.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 1:41 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.

Il 02/03/2019 12:26, cisco ha scritto:

Hello all. my name is Cisco and I am from Italy.

I started using NVDA when i was 8 years old, now I am 14..

i am a musitian, who plays the violin, the guitar and the piano.

well, from me, for now, that's all! have a grate day!


Cisco Tissera.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of cisco
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introducing myself

Hello all. my name is Cisco and I am from Italy.

I started using NVDA when i was 8 years old, now I am 14..

i am a musitian, who plays the violin, the guitar and the piano.

well, from me, for now, that's all! have a grate day!


Cisco Tissera.

On 3/2/19, cisco <audiogamer2004@...> wrote:

Hello all. my name is Cisco and I am from Italy.

I started using NVDA when i was 8 years old, now I am 14..

i am a musitian, who plays the violin, the guitar and the piano.

well, from me, for now, that's all! have a grate day!


Cisco Tissera.

I have set up a sizeable exception dictionary. If I wish to locate
and edit an entry I find it very tedious to arrow through the list.
Is there an easier method for locating a specific entry? Or, is there
a way to alphabetize the list to facilitate moving quickly through the list?
Thanks,
Jeff