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Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

Curtis Delzer
 

go to run dialog and type winver
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Curtis Delzer, HS.
WB6HEF
San Bernardino, CA


NVDA is much more responsive!

David Moore
 

Hi all!

I just installed the latest alpha-snapshot 16885, and NVDA is so responsive in File Explorer, like it never has been before.

Also, I am noticing much greater responsiveness in the Mail app, All browsers, especially Chrome, and Notepad Plus Plus.

It is so wonderful to fly through many files and folders in File Explorer.

That was a big problem I have experienced for years, is sluggishness when arrowing down through a large list.

I thank you all, developers, from the bottom of my heart for what you have done with NVDA in this department.

Keep up the great work!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

Quentin Christensen
 


NVDA 2019.1beta1 available for testing


March 4, 2019 10:10 am

Beta1 of NVDA 2019.1 is now available for download and testing. For anyone who is interested in trying out what NVDA 2019.1 has to offer before it is officially released, we welcome you to download the beta and provide feedback.

Highlights of this release include performance improvements when accessing both Microsoft word and Excel, stability and security improvements such as support for add-ons with version compatibility information, and many other bug fixes.

Although we recommend always reading the full list of changes (linked below), it is worth noting several important changes in regards to add-ons and other custom code:

NVDA will no longer automatically load custom appModules, globalPlugins and braille and synth drivers from the NVDA user configuration directory. This code should be instead packaged as an add-on with correct version information, ensuring that incompatible code is not run with current versions of NVDA. For developers who need to test code as it is being developed, enable NVDA’s developer scratchpad directory in the Advanced category of NVDA settings, and place your code in the ‘scratchpad’ directory found in the NVDA user configuration directory when this option is enabled.

Also, add-ons can now specify a minimum required NVDA version, and the last tested NVDA version, in their manifest. If this version of NVDA is outside of the specified range, NVDA will refuse to install or enable that particular add-on. This version of NVDA will however still allow installing and loading of add-ons that do not yet contain Minimum and Last Tested NVDA version information at all, but upgrading to future versions of NVDA (E.g. 2019.2) may automatically cause these older add-ons to be disabled.


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Re: In-Process for 1st March 2019

Quentin Christensen
 

Well, yes and no - it's easier to pick up a tablet, but it's harder to do complex tasks on one (sighted or not) - I use Excel all the time on the PC, but never on mobile if I can help it (and if I can't, I usually just try and read the information that I need rather than doing any complex editing).


On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:39 AM Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

And that is the advantage I guess if you are sighted then go blind if you are allready using a touch tablet.

There are touch devices all over the place, it wouldn't mean you would have to give up your touch tablet or tablet computer at all excluding windows sadly that is.



On 4/03/2019 12:08 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Brian,

Yes you are right - often people who lose vision later in life may well have used a computer before, but the majority of fully sighted computer users know very few keystrokes and largely rely on the mouse.  So, learning to use a computer without the mouse does pretty much require learning it from scratch.

Re what we're working on next to improve responsiveness, off the top of my head I'm not sure, but as we get feedback from those who have tried the changes we've made so far, we'll get a better picture of how effective what we've done so far has been, what it's fixed, what needs more work etc.  So, do please try the latest alpha version and let us know how it's going: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 8:13 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
hi,

You mention in the blog that there is still more planned to improve
responsiveness. What is planned for snapshots in this regard?

On 3/1/2019 10:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi thanks, very interesting. Yes you need somebody with an overall
> view to organise stuff, so hope he can cope!
> Programmers can be a difficult bunch to work with as they tend to have
> their own views on a lot of stuff.
> Believe me I know...
>
> I agree about responsiveness but also some of the responsiveness
> elsewhere needs a look. recent threads in the user list on lack of
> reading  infoo with alt/tab or when folders are first opened etc, as
> also in web browsers sometimes has been an intermittent problem for
> some time, so if somebody could look at that it might be nice. I
> suspect the answer  is in an old bit of code from way back which just
> does not see events or pass them on or it gets overwritten by
> something else.
>
>
>
> Do people really come to computers as a blind person not knowing the
> basic keystrokes of Windows though? It has not been my experience
> generally, but often those who have become blinder, over the years who
> were mouse people can be in this category, and I think it does need
> saying in documents that this is an nvda command but this is a windows
> native command and that can make it a lot easier to troubleshoot
> problems folk are having.
>
> No shant be going to the states, sorry!
>
> My brain hurts thinking of it. I used to exhibit at small computer
> shows here in the UK back in the 90s, but I  found the throngs of
> bodies and noise far too distracting, and usually lost my voice by the
> end of the day.
> Anyway thanks again and as I do not want to be grabbed by the talons
> of our new moderator, I'll add the phrase that this is not a
> conversation, merely a reaction to your article.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
> <quentin@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 5:29 AM
> Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 1st March 2019
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've got a bumper issue today!
>>
>> In this week's In-Process: NV Access responds to user feedback, we're a
>> Google Summer of Code mentor organisation, preparations for #csunatc19,
>> news on NVDA 2019.1, our new GM and more!  Plus, a novel to read, what a
>> huge issue of In-Process!
>>
>> Read it here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-1st-march-2019/
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: backing up thunderbird

Arlene
 

I could have done so. But here is the thing! If I did wait for a cheep usb sound card. I would have gotten it in the middle of March.  I’m taking a food safe class.  I got another extension until the end of March.  The guy at the source store said it would not be worth it.  When he was moving documents from my old computer He discovered that I had 3 or 4 ports burned out!  He tried putting speakers into all my usb ports and he found 3 or 4 of them burned out.  He and the people I live with My room mate and her family said just take the new computer and let the old one go.  I didn’t want to but it was time for it to go! I let the source store recycle the old win 7. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: March 1, 2019 4:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] backing up thunderbird

 

I would suggest getting a cheap perhaps ten or fifteen U.S. dollar sound card and seeing if you can use the old computer with it.  its good to have another computer available and I always have at least two functioning computers available.  I recall you lost sound but that may mean your built-in sound card is no longer working.  All it may need is a USB sound card to get audio back.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: Arlene

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 10:27 PM

Subject: Re: backing up thunderbirdRe: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]

 

Hey list! Arlene here; I'm writing to you on this new win ten laptop.
My win 7 box bit the dust! I lost all sound. A sighted person can
operate it.  But I could not. I just got this computer on Tuesday.
One question I want to ask. Can I put Gmail onto Thunderbird? If so,
How can I do it? Thanks! Have a good night!

On 2/28/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
> Hi Annette,
>
>
> As far as I can tell, everything is saved. I just updated a day ago and
> when I opened the back up version of Thunderbird on my back up system,
> the address book, the folder structure (I have 17 sub folders under
> Inbox) the layout and even the order of message selection was saved.
>
>
> On 2/28/2019 4:07 PM, Annette Moore wrote:
>>
>> ron, does this save all of your configuration, as well as your
>> messages? I care more about the configuration than about actually
>> keeping any of my messages because it took about an hour for me to get
>> everything I wanted/needed configured to the way I needed it sinceI
>> have three email accounts. I have the instructions saved that Richard
>> Wels gave me, but shoot, if I could back all that up and not have to
>> go through that again with any clean install of thunderbird on a
>> future new computer, that would be great!
>>
>> Annette
>>
>> On 2/28/2019 1:13 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>> This probably varies from mail program to mail program, but when
>>> using Thunderbird, you can back up almost everything by doing the
>>> following.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.  Close Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> 2.  From the run dialogue, type %appdata% and press enter.
>>>
>>> 3.  You are in the roaming folder.  This folder contains all the
>>> application data, settings, address book and e-mails from Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> 4.  navigate to the folder named Thunderbird and when highlighted,
>>> press control + C to copy that folder.
>>>
>>> 5.  Then paste this folder onto a thumb drive, external hard drive or
>>> some similar device and you have everything backed up.
>>>
>>> 6.  Now if for some reason, you need a fresh install of Thunderbird
>>> or if you get a new computer and use Thunderbird, you can simply
>>> install Thunderbird and navigate to the Roaming folder as described
>>> in steps 1 through 3 above and paste the contents of the Thunderbird
>>> folder that you have copied into the Roaming folder.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do this every few days to keep the mail and settings of Thunderbird
>>> backed up.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/28/2019 1:14 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> 100% agreed. Very, very well said, indeed.
>>>>
>>>> Now I definitely would like to know how I can backup my messages. I
>>>> never did it before just because I never knew it was even possible.
>>>> Help me with this, please?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Marcio
>>>> Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
>>>>
>>>> Em 28/02/2019 15:09, Travis Siegel escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>> Wishing something would go away because it doesn't fit your
>>>>> definition of what is useful is just plain silly.
>>>>>
>>>>> If that were the case, then I wish narrator would go away, I whish
>>>>> jaws wold go away, I wish windows would go away.  Hell, I wish
>>>>> microsoft would go away.
>>>>>
>>>>> \See, it serves no purpose.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are people who use pop3, and it works just fine for them.
>>>>> There are definitely use cases where pop3 is a better fit than
>>>>> imap, and there are use cases where imap is clearly the better
>>>>> alternative.  Wishing one or the other would go away is just
>>>>> ignorance talking.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't wish to use it, then don't, but that doesn't mean that
>>>>> others who are fully aware of what they're getting, and do wish to
>>>>> use it shouldn't do so.  I for one much prefer pop3, for several
>>>>> reasons, including disk usage, security, issues, ease of backup,
>>>>> and others.
>>>>>
>>>>> When folks talk about folks loosing years worth of emails because
>>>>> they used pop3, my question is did those folks ever backup their
>>>>> mail? I'm thinking no.  Sure, it's not the easiest thing to move
>>>>> mail from one email client to another, but you're just as likely to
>>>>> loose all your imap messages if your email provider goes bye-bye as
>>>>> well, and nobody here can tell me that's never happened.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's six of one, and half dozen of the other, use what works for
>>>>> you, and allow others to use what works for them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/28/2019 12:47 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> With my old internet provider, I had a pop 3 account. After I got
>>>>>> to a certain amount of messages, my email started bouncing. I
>>>>>> don't think people are using pop so much anymore but I could be
>>>>>> wrong. I wish pop 3 would go away too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf
>>>>>> Of *Sarah k Alawami
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2019 8:27 AM
>>>>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed for
>>>>>> Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes you can. I have about 200 thousand messages on gmail's server
>>>>>> and it doesn't really complain at me. You can also clean them up
>>>>>> using iMap as well. I use iMap and wish that pop 3 would just go
>>>>>> away and die. All the email and attachments are backed up in the
>>>>>> cloud and no matter what device as stated you are on you can
>>>>>> always get your mail. I lost over 3 years worth of messages once
>>>>>> so am not going back to pop3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 28 Feb 2019, at 7:49, Gene wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     I don't use IMAP so others can answer the question.  But I'm
>>>>>>     sure you can delete messages if you wish. As I understand it,
>>>>>>     you can keep a large number on the server if you wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Gene
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *From:*marcio via Groups.Io
>>>>>>     <mailto:marcinhorj21@...>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *Sent:*Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:37 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     *Subject:*Re: [nvda] POP is unwise [was: Being Unsubscribed
>>>>>>     for Marking Messages as Spam #adminnotice]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Em 28/02/2019 12:34, Gene escreveu:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         unless you want a permanent collection of all your
>>>>>>         received messages off site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Does it means that using IMAP I won't be able to delete any
>>>>>>     message?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Marcio
>>>>>>     Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon>
>>>>>
>>>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com
>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>>
>>> --
>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>
>
> --
> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>
>
>
>
>

 


Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

As an aside, you absolutely, positively should not have to touch Windows Firewall when it comes to Windows Updates, including Feature Updates.

If your system is being cranky about doing a Feature Update, there are multiple ways around that issue.  The same technique that is used to do an "install-over repair upgrade" should be used to do an actual Feature Update on a machine that gets stuck, for whatever reason.  The only difference is that it's not attempting to repair the same version of Windows 10, but to upgrade it to the next version.   Take your pick from the following three sets of instructions, all of which are telling you how to do exactly the same thing:

Doing an In-place "Upgrade" to Reinstall Windows 10 Keeping Apps/Programs and User Files

Non Destructive Repair of Windows 10 - Answers to commonly asked questions

How to: Perform a Repair Upgrade Using the Windows 10 ISO file



--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Settings question

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Greg


No there is not. I do not even think any one has made a addon either that might be able to do it either.


Gene nz


On 4/03/2019 12:31 PM, Greg Rhodes wrote:

Is there an NVDA setting I can turn on so that the number of landmarks, headings, and links are announced when I open a web page (or MS Word document)? I know I can get to that info through the NVDA/F7 elements list but would like for it to be announced when I open a new page. Thanks.

 

Greg

 

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

To check which version of windows you’re running, open settings, select system, then select about. You’ll find the version number there. For example, version 1809.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 6:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

Technically I wouldn't know how to answer your question.
However, fortunately for us NVDA users, there's an add-on that let us know not only the Windows version but another worth knowing information from the system and the machine in general.
You can download this add-on at this link.

Hth

Em 03/03/2019 20:37, Arlene escreveu:

Ow does one tell what version of windows you have on a new win ten?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: March 3, 2019 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

Howdy folks,

 

 

Using windows 10 version 1803 on my desktop system.  For some reason it

doesn't want version 1809. I have to create a couple of exceptions in

windows firewall so that two programs that I frequently use run

properly.  I haven't had to do this in years. Has anybody done this

successfully, and could share with me the steps for how to do it. Thanks

a bunch.

 

 

Tony

 

 

 

 

 


Re: What version of Windows in running on a system

Arlene
 

Thanks! I’m senile.  Glad I asked!

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: March 3, 2019 4:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] What version of Windows in running on a system

 

It's also simple to hit the Windows Key, immediately type winver, then hit enter.  Works like a charm if you do not wait to begin typing after hitting Windows Key.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Re: What version of Windows in running on a system

 

It's also simple to hit the Windows Key, immediately type winver, then hit enter.  Works like a charm if you do not wait to begin typing after hitting Windows Key.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


What version of Windows in running on a system

Marci Duty <marci.smiles@...>
 

Type Windows Key with the Letter R to open the Run dialogue. Then type winver and press enter. See the version of Windows 10 running on the system.

 

Success,

Marci Duty

Email: marci.smiles@...

Phone: (214) 732-5788

**Teamwork makes the dream work!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 5:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

Ow does one tell what version of windows you have on a new win ten?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: March 3, 2019 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

Howdy folks,

 

 

Using windows 10 version 1803 on my desktop system.  For some reason it

doesn't want version 1809. I have to create a couple of exceptions in

windows firewall so that two programs that I frequently use run

properly.  I haven't had to do this in years. Has anybody done this

successfully, and could share with me the steps for how to do it. Thanks

a bunch.

 

 

Tony

 

 

 

 


Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

Technically I wouldn't know how to answer your question.
However, fortunately for us NVDA users, there's an add-on that let us know not only the Windows version but another worth knowing information from the system and the machine in general.
You can download this add-on at this link.

Hth

Em 03/03/2019 20:37, Arlene escreveu:

Ow does one tell what version of windows you have on a new win ten?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: March 3, 2019 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

Howdy folks,

 

 

Using windows 10 version 1803 on my desktop system.  For some reason it

doesn't want version 1809. I have to create a couple of exceptions in

windows firewall so that two programs that I frequently use run

properly.  I haven't had to do this in years. Has anybody done this

successfully, and could share with me the steps for how to do it. Thanks

a bunch.

 

 

Tony

 

 

 

 



Re: backing up thunderbird

Arlene
 

Hi, I tried to latch Gmail onto Thunderbird.  Even though imap is enabled.  It was still no go.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Kingett
Sent: March 3, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] backing up thunderbird

 

If you have POP, rather than IMAP, turned on, you will have a much harder time transferring messages. You may want to check your gmail settings and disable pop, I really don't get why people download messages anyway, and make sure that IMAP is actually enabled. Both could be off, which is why gmail won't connect straight away if you've never poked about in the settings. If you use IMAP, all your messages go with you, no matter where you are, because TB is fetching them from the server directly. POP, you'd have to manually transfer all your messages from machine to machine because POP settings download the messages, and is not accessing the message info directly. I gotta run, so can't give keyboard instructions on how to change these settings in gmail, but if using the basic view, on the gmail website, go to the settings link, then go to the, forwarding/pop IMAP link inside settings. The settings are radio buttons that say enable or disable for either pop or IMAP.

 


Re: In-Process for 1st March 2019

 

And that is the advantage I guess if you are sighted then go blind if you are allready using a touch tablet.

There are touch devices all over the place, it wouldn't mean you would have to give up your touch tablet or tablet computer at all excluding windows sadly that is.



On 4/03/2019 12:08 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Brian,

Yes you are right - often people who lose vision later in life may well have used a computer before, but the majority of fully sighted computer users know very few keystrokes and largely rely on the mouse.  So, learning to use a computer without the mouse does pretty much require learning it from scratch.

Re what we're working on next to improve responsiveness, off the top of my head I'm not sure, but as we get feedback from those who have tried the changes we've made so far, we'll get a better picture of how effective what we've done so far has been, what it's fixed, what needs more work etc.  So, do please try the latest alpha version and let us know how it's going: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 8:13 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
hi,

You mention in the blog that there is still more planned to improve
responsiveness. What is planned for snapshots in this regard?

On 3/1/2019 10:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi thanks, very interesting. Yes you need somebody with an overall
> view to organise stuff, so hope he can cope!
> Programmers can be a difficult bunch to work with as they tend to have
> their own views on a lot of stuff.
> Believe me I know...
>
> I agree about responsiveness but also some of the responsiveness
> elsewhere needs a look. recent threads in the user list on lack of
> reading  infoo with alt/tab or when folders are first opened etc, as
> also in web browsers sometimes has been an intermittent problem for
> some time, so if somebody could look at that it might be nice. I
> suspect the answer  is in an old bit of code from way back which just
> does not see events or pass them on or it gets overwritten by
> something else.
>
>
>
> Do people really come to computers as a blind person not knowing the
> basic keystrokes of Windows though? It has not been my experience
> generally, but often those who have become blinder, over the years who
> were mouse people can be in this category, and I think it does need
> saying in documents that this is an nvda command but this is a windows
> native command and that can make it a lot easier to troubleshoot
> problems folk are having.
>
> No shant be going to the states, sorry!
>
> My brain hurts thinking of it. I used to exhibit at small computer
> shows here in the UK back in the 90s, but I  found the throngs of
> bodies and noise far too distracting, and usually lost my voice by the
> end of the day.
> Anyway thanks again and as I do not want to be grabbed by the talons
> of our new moderator, I'll add the phrase that this is not a
> conversation, merely a reaction to your article.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
> <quentin@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 5:29 AM
> Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 1st March 2019
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've got a bumper issue today!
>>
>> In this week's In-Process: NV Access responds to user feedback, we're a
>> Google Summer of Code mentor organisation, preparations for #csunatc19,
>> news on NVDA 2019.1, our new GM and more!  Plus, a novel to read, what a
>> huge issue of In-Process!
>>
>> Read it here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-1st-march-2019/
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>> --
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>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





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Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

Arlene
 

Ow does one tell what version of windows you have on a new win ten?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: March 3, 2019 1:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

 

Howdy folks,

 

 

Using windows 10 version 1803 on my desktop system.  For some reason it

doesn't want version 1809. I have to create a couple of exceptions in

windows firewall so that two programs that I frequently use run

properly.  I haven't had to do this in years. Has anybody done this

successfully, and could share with me the steps for how to do it. Thanks

a bunch.

 

 

Tony

 

 

 

 


Settings question

Greg Rhodes
 

Is there an NVDA setting I can turn on so that the number of landmarks, headings, and links are announced when I open a web page (or MS Word document)? I know I can get to that info through the NVDA/F7 elements list but would like for it to be announced when I open a new page. Thanks.

 

Greg

 


Re: In-Process for 1st March 2019

Quentin Christensen
 

Brian,

Yes you are right - often people who lose vision later in life may well have used a computer before, but the majority of fully sighted computer users know very few keystrokes and largely rely on the mouse.  So, learning to use a computer without the mouse does pretty much require learning it from scratch.

Re what we're working on next to improve responsiveness, off the top of my head I'm not sure, but as we get feedback from those who have tried the changes we've made so far, we'll get a better picture of how effective what we've done so far has been, what it's fixed, what needs more work etc.  So, do please try the latest alpha version and let us know how it's going: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 8:13 AM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
hi,

You mention in the blog that there is still more planned to improve
responsiveness. What is planned for snapshots in this regard?

On 3/1/2019 10:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
> Hi thanks, very interesting. Yes you need somebody with an overall
> view to organise stuff, so hope he can cope!
> Programmers can be a difficult bunch to work with as they tend to have
> their own views on a lot of stuff.
> Believe me I know...
>
> I agree about responsiveness but also some of the responsiveness
> elsewhere needs a look. recent threads in the user list on lack of
> reading  infoo with alt/tab or when folders are first opened etc, as
> also in web browsers sometimes has been an intermittent problem for
> some time, so if somebody could look at that it might be nice. I
> suspect the answer  is in an old bit of code from way back which just
> does not see events or pass them on or it gets overwritten by
> something else.
>
>
>
> Do people really come to computers as a blind person not knowing the
> basic keystrokes of Windows though? It has not been my experience
> generally, but often those who have become blinder, over the years who
> were mouse people can be in this category, and I think it does need
> saying in documents that this is an nvda command but this is a windows
> native command and that can make it a lot easier to troubleshoot
> problems folk are having.
>
> No shant be going to the states, sorry!
>
> My brain hurts thinking of it. I used to exhibit at small computer
> shows here in the UK back in the 90s, but I  found the throngs of
> bodies and noise far too distracting, and usually lost my voice by the
> end of the day.
> Anyway thanks again and as I do not want to be grabbed by the talons
> of our new moderator, I'll add the phrase that this is not a
> conversation, merely a reaction to your article.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Quentin Christensen"
> <quentin@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, March 01, 2019 5:29 AM
> Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 1st March 2019
>
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I've got a bumper issue today!
>>
>> In this week's In-Process: NV Access responds to user feedback, we're a
>> Google Summer of Code mentor organisation, preparations for #csunatc19,
>> news on NVDA 2019.1, our new GM and more!  Plus, a novel to read, what a
>> huge issue of In-Process!
>>
>> Read it here: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-1st-march-2019/
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: qualtrics

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

My experience has been that they use nonstandard select controls that can't be read by a screen reader. Often they can be acted on and it is possible to make an educated guess what's wanted but they aren't standard and don't report properly. Edit boxes work OK.

Best,

Erik

On March 3, 2019 4:20:51 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi,

Actually, I have completed many qualtrics surveys, and they are
generally accessible, unless they use matrix style or graphical questions.

On 3/3/2019 9:18 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I haven't created any surveys with qualtrix, but I've taken a lot of
them, and they are sketchy in the extreme.

I feel that even if you hacked one into being somehow, a lot of
assistive technology users would be barriered from completing it.
Qualtrix is simply a bad idea.

Survey monkey and google forms are both very accessible for creation
and distribution.  Formstack is another great tool.  If qualtrix
dowsn't want to comply, they can go bankrupt and the industry won't
miss them.

Best,

Erik


On March 3, 2019 1:27:44 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi all,

I need to conduct a survey as part of my masters project, and the things
I am doing, require me to use Qualtrics. However, the program doesn't
seem to be very accessible. For instance, I cannot change question type
to something which isn't multiple choice. Is there a way to use this
accessibly with NVDA? Have any other members used this software?








Re: Wreckless drivers

Brian Tew
 

Well can you envision an eventual solution to this problem?
You know windows won't do it. How could nvda fix this?
Is anybody addressing the problem?


Re: qualtrics

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Actually, I have completed many qualtrics surveys, and they are generally accessible, unless they use matrix style or graphical questions.

On 3/3/2019 9:18 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I haven't created any surveys with qualtrix, but I've taken a lot of them, and they are sketchy in the extreme.

I feel that even if you hacked one into being somehow, a lot of assistive technology users would be barriered from completing it. Qualtrix is simply a bad idea.

Survey monkey and google forms are both very accessible for creation and distribution.  Formstack is another great tool.  If qualtrix dowsn't want to comply, they can go bankrupt and the industry won't miss them.

Best,

Erik


On March 3, 2019 1:27:44 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@gmail.com> wrote:

hi all,

I need to conduct a survey as part of my masters project, and the things
I am doing, require me to use Qualtrics. However, the program doesn't
seem to be very accessible. For instance, I cannot change question type
to something which isn't multiple choice. Is there a way to use this
accessibly with NVDA? Have any other members used this software?