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Number pronunciation

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Is there a way to get NVDA to say individual numbers instead of announcing them as words?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Joseph Lee's add-ons and NVDA 2019.1: supported add-ons are compatible

 

Hi everyone,

 

As agreed to between add-on authors a few weeks ago (announcing compatibility statements between beta 1 and official release), I’d like to let folks know that supported add-ons coming from me are compatible with NVDA 2019.1. Supported add-ons include:

 

  • Add-on Updater
  • Easy Table Navigator
  • Enhanced Touch Gestures
  • Golden Cursor (maintenance only)
  • GoldWave
  • ObjPad
  • Object Location Tones
  • Resource Monitor
  • Screen Curtain (experimental)
  • StationPlaylist Studio
  • SystrayList
  • Virtual Review
  • Windows 10 App Essentials

 

Important notices regarding some of these:

 

  • Add-on Updater: 30 days after release of NVDA 2019.1, support for 2018.4 will be dropped from this add-on.
  • StationPlaylist Studio: for people using 18.09.x-LTS, after release of 18.09.8 in April, 18.09.x will enter bug fix only mode. Also, for those using stable releases, version 19.06 and later will require Studio 5.20 and later.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: 30 days after release of NVDA 2019.1, support for 2018.3 will be dropped from this add-on as for add-on maintenance policy (supporting current and immediate past releases).

 

For add-ons dropping support for older NVDA releases:

 

  1. Although I did say 30 days, the schedule is a bit flexible, and I’ll let you know when support for older NVDA releases ends.
  2. For people using Add-on Updater (or for that matter, NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 and later), ending support for old NVDA releases means add-on manifest will be edited to reflect this change.

 

Lastly, although not stated in the subject line, once Python 3 version of NVDA ships, most (if not all) add-ons maintained by me will require that version of NVDA at some point in the future. To help out with transitions, I’ll give you a grace period where you can evaluate that future version of NVDA. Once the grace period closes, there’s no going back.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Wreckless drivers

 

I've actually posed the questions raised here on the Windows 10 Support Forum on Bleeping Computer.

Someone there will almost certainly know if there's a technique that could be employed to allow an end user to easily switch out a driver at will.  I'll report back when I have some information.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Sarah k Alawami
 

Narrator will get there. I see some big changes coming in the next few months to maybe next year. That's all I can say on the matter.
Take care

On 4 Mar 2019, at 0:23, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm, maybe.

I wouldn't call narator a screen reader no matter what microsoft says.

Ok, from a total piece of shitty crap gimic its assended to a usefull assistive tool, certainly good enough to be accessible in microsoft programs and where that is concerned thats fine I guess.

Outside it its still a bit hit and miss.

So it could rise to become a screenreader, but I doubt it will, maybe upgrade that from never to be well maybe it will or it won't, I am giving a lot of leeway into what I would define a screenreader to actually be.

One thing I would define a screen reader as not that it can read the screen, but it can cope with a lot of challenges a user may access daily, icons, some graphics, and some nonstandard programs.

Nvda does read things reasonably well, and while it can read most interfaces its strength is the web that includes but is not limited to web based programs.

Fortunately for the end user web interfaces have taken off in the last 5 years.

Everyone has its limitations.

If nvda has any, in terms of limitations they are quite small, its all depending on the imagination of the user chucking out crazy ideas and then a really crazy programmer to make those become reality or it can be the other way round.

Some crazy programmer can chuck his dream at the unsuspecting user and make a real big splash without the comercial fanfare.

To be honest if I was microsoft, I would ditch the crap that was narator, and just buy gwmicro and make it its own.

I mean it had it once but its to late to get what it lost now.

It wouldn't have to do much to keep windoweyes running either and it would be established.

The biggest weakness with dolphin is their either unwillingness or really slo progress in upgrading their internet engine to work with more brousers than internet explorer which microsoft has deemed insecure and crap.

Even before that everyone caught up with well everything else.

Jaws, I don't know you need scripts to run everything, in nvda true you do have scripts nvda is one big script after all.

However in jaws you need to have scripts to even run jaws.

I also have reservations on its licencing system especially for some modules and extras.

I have never used screen access to properly say either or on the subject so I won't, the screen access to go app when it worked was good as far as it was.

To be honest, the only thing microsoft has is this piece of crap called narator which microsoft had a chance to kill completely but didn't.

Why they didn't just buy wineyes when they had a chance is anyone's guess, now they are trying to slowly get back the reputation for crappy narator instead of going with something else.

They are making it harder on themselves to be honest.

Even if narator does achieve status of a screen reader, I don't know.

Nvda is what narator should be right now and its not even close.



On 4/03/2019 5:20 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

You forgot narrator, it's an upcoming screen reader but it to me deserves a place in the standing tall category.

On 3 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Thank you. Eloquently stated. Ditto.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 9:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing an open source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial screen readers, and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling going around was that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader industry would shortly be gobbled up by the more recognized players. Well, Window eyes has gone down the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and Dolphin has gone almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall in the boxing ring is JFW and NVDA. These are the facts, not mere conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see. Why am I writing this? Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a company to work towards improving a product. However, the demand for immediate rewards can also lead to a product being rushed out in the hope that it will satisfy the needs of the customers as well as filling up the company's coffers. But hope is one thing, delivery is another vital factor. I do not have to revise the recent debacle experienced by the end users of Windows 1809. Jaws is now into it's 2019 version. Yet their new driver is not as stable as it should be and there are complains about it from users and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha version released that tries to fix reported issues. Then we must not leave out a dedicated community of users who do their very best to help in the form of advise and tutorials, some even dedicating part of their website to put up materials for reference for those who need them. And then there are those from the community who help with NVDA's development, Translators who help translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many languages, and the addon developers who develop addons that make NVDA more than just a mere screen reader, All these done in their own spare time and without the apparent rewards in dollars. Which reminds me, Is there a clock addon for JFW? Which brings me back to motivation. I did earlier allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big incentive. But you know, humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance. For most blind people, and especially for those living in the poorer countries, just getting a working computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the cost of a screen reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has provided us from rich and poor regions of the world with another alternative, and that in itself is a modern miracle. And, most important, NVDA, as I said earlier is not just a mere screen reader. It goes way beyond basic screen reading tasks like browsing the web or checking emails or formatting documents. It works seemlessly with programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just to name a few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS like Reaper to make music as a hobby or as a profession, and broadcasters benefit from addons developed for Station playlist studio. I use both Jaws and NVDA, and I had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars to get my new version of Jaws. And after all that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent Jaws Scripters to make jaws work with some applications. NVDA is open source and free, it's addons are free, and therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond my understanding. Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because it could put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's development. And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put out by Microsoft which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon this long and rambling email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts onto paper, as it were, just to remind ourselves that we do owe these people dedicated to ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us all that as long as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from dying a slow death or disappearing into the ether. To me, NVDA is, and always will be a modern miracle. Cheers!







Re: qualtrics

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have since used google forms. There is an app I use on android called GForms and now I can write accessible forms. Two examples are this form and this one

I have used survey monkey but it is not as accessible as it could be and it has only gotten worse over the past maybe 10 years since I have started using it.

hope that helps a bit.

On 3 Mar 2019, at 22:26, Hendrik Steyn wrote:

+1 Erik

I use google forms all the time at work and it works well. You can mix questions (some multiple choice and others short and long answers etc.) Survey monkey is another choice, although make sure you know what you are getting into. If you have a paid account, all's well, but the free acount does have some limitations.

Hope this helps

Hendrik

On 3/3/2019 11:18 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:

I haven't created any surveys with qualtrix, but I've taken a lot of them, and they are sketchy in the extreme.

I feel that even if you hacked one into being somehow, a lot of assistive technology users would be barriered from completing it. Qualtrix is simply a bad idea.

Survey monkey and google forms are both very accessible for creation and distribution.  Formstack is another great tool.  If qualtrix dowsn't want to comply, they can go bankrupt and the industry won't miss them.

Best,

Erik

On March 3, 2019 1:27:44 PM enes sarıbaş enes.saribas@... wrote:

hi all,

I need to conduct a survey as part of my masters project, and the things
I am doing, require me to use Qualtrics. However, the program doesn't
seem to be very accessible. For instance, I cannot change question type
to something which isn't multiple choice. Is there a way to use this
accessibly with NVDA? Have any other members used this software?


Re: NVDA and Zotero

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello, 

I haven't cited any books yet so don't have an answer. Would you like me to ask a librarian and see if their instructions help?

For your solution to the multiple references, I see no buttons. Are you in the classic citation view or no? What operating system are you using? I would love to figure this out with your help.

As a side note, I would really like if we could pool our expertise and write up a guide for Gene'S website. I feel strongly that academic Programs like this are just as important to explain and support as more basic ones.

Cheers,
Sally


On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 16:06 enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

hi,

There is a solution for multiple citations. There is a numbered button, click one after moving focus to the citation you want to add after the first, and it will add it. IOne of them will add, while the other removes.

I have another problem. Do you know how to change a book entry to book section, and then add authors and editors? When I change the editor field to an author, or vice versa, wrong author is changed.

On 3/1/2019 10:00 PM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hi all,

To revive this thread, I can give a partial answer to the original question and need to ask one of my own.

If you go to the zotero desktop application and under preferences find citation then word processor and check the "use classic citation  checkbox, you will get a dialogue in word that is 99% accessible. 

The only thing that has not worked for me is citing multiple works in a single in text citation. In the classic citation dialogue there is an add button that NVDA does not see with any cursor and in the default dialogue I hear only a string of HTML code rather than "unknown." 

i have posted to the zotero forum and will let you know what i hear back. 

Does anyone else have experience here with zotero or any other free citation manager? 

It was a huge help to have this on my last paper and I'd like to see it work or have access to something equivalent for academic writing. 

Warmly,
Sally 

On Sun, Jul 29, 2018 at 11:56 AM Jason White via Groups.Io <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io> wrote:
Reference management and citation generation.

On 7/29/18, 06:30, "Ben J. Bloomgren" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of godsquad@...> wrote:

    What does Zotero do?


    Ben


    On 7/29/2018 3:00, James AUSTIN wrote:
    > Morning folks
    >
    > I hope you are all well.
    >
    > Has anyone found a way of using Zotero with NVDA please? I have
    > installed the plugin for Word but am unable to access the dialogue
    > that appears. NVDA reports 'unknown'.
    >
    >
    > Thanks
    >
    > Best
    >
    > James
    >
    >
    >
    >











Reading subtitles in Netflix with NVDA

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Hello all,


Is it possible to read subtitles in Netflix with NVDA?


I found a great tutorial in Accessibility Central, but can't find any reference to subtitles.


Thanks, stay well,


Ollie


Wreckless drivers

Brian Tew
 

Ok, so we have to change braille drivers for each screen reader.
Is there any way to do this quickly like maybe with autohotkey or a .bat file?
Every time I have switched back to nvda it took multiple tries to get the braille going again.
If I could not hear at all nvda would be useless to me.


NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

Nancy Shackelford
 

When using external synth with NVDA, starting with 2018... I believe
3-something, synth speaks "less than" with any movement of a cursor.
Has nothing to do with punctuation settings.

Thank you,

Nance

--
Nancy Shackelford --Walk On Faith And Trust In Love - Michael Reid--


Draft view in Microsoft word.

 

Per a few other blind writers, and the suggestion in the what's new for the beta, I tried draft view in MS word 2016, Office 365, and it is, in fact, much speedier to edit documents and otherwise, but the problem I keep running into is getting word to open in draft view, rather than print layout view.


I've tried editing the Normal template directly by opening it through Microsoft word, making changes to it, adding header text, doing all the writer requirement things for literary markets, switching the view to draft view after making all the changes, then, saving by hitting CTRL S, but upon opening a new, blank, document, the view defaults to print layout view. Does anyone know of another way to always open in draft view?


I've also tried opening the normal template through Microsoft word, then, immediately switching the view to draft view, then making formatting changes, then saving the template, but it still opens to print layout view.


Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Brian's Mail list account
 

Probably drifting off topic a bit here, but I do agree having tried to use Narrator in a shop a while ago, nobody in the shop had any idea it actually existed. Until the accessibility train gets so common everyone can see it and use it then we always will have an uphill struggle to use computers.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology


Hmmm, maybe.

I wouldn't call narator a screen reader no matter what microsoft says.

Ok, from a total piece of shitty crap gimic its assended to a usefull
assistive tool, certainly good enough to be accessible in microsoft
programs and where that is concerned thats fine I guess.

Outside it its still a bit hit and miss.

So it could rise to become a screenreader, but I doubt it will, maybe
upgrade that from never to be well maybe it will or it won't, I am
giving a lot of leeway into what I would define a screenreader to
actually be.

One thing I would define a screen reader as not that it can read the
screen, but it can cope with a lot of challenges a user may access
daily, icons, some graphics, and some nonstandard programs.

Nvda does read things reasonably well, and while it can read most
interfaces its strength is the web that includes but is not limited to
web based programs.

Fortunately for the end user web interfaces have taken off in the last 5
years.

Everyone has its limitations.

If nvda has any, in terms of limitations they are quite small, its all
depending on the imagination of the user chucking out crazy ideas and
then a really crazy programmer to make those become reality or it can be
the other way round.

Some crazy programmer can chuck his dream at the unsuspecting user and
make a real big splash without the comercial fanfare.

To be honest if I was microsoft, I would ditch the crap that was
narator, and just buy gwmicro and make it its own.

I mean it had it once but its to late to get what it lost now.

It wouldn't have to do much to keep windoweyes running either and it
would be established.

The biggest weakness with dolphin is their either unwillingness or
really slo progress in upgrading their internet engine to work with more
brousers than internet explorer which microsoft has deemed insecure and
crap.

Even before that everyone caught up with well everything else.

Jaws, I don't know you need scripts to run everything, in nvda true you
do have scripts nvda is one big script after all.

However in jaws you need to have scripts to even run jaws.

I also have reservations on its licencing system especially for some
modules and extras.

I have never used screen access to properly say either or on the subject
so I won't, the screen access to go app when it worked was good as far
as it was.

To be honest, the only thing microsoft has is this piece of crap called
narator which microsoft had a chance to kill completely but didn't.

Why they didn't just buy wineyes when they had a chance is anyone's
guess, now they are trying to slowly get back the reputation for crappy
narator instead of going with something else.

They are making it harder on themselves to be honest.

Even if narator does achieve status of a screen reader, I don't know.

Nvda is what narator should be right now and its not even close.



On 4/03/2019 5:20 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

You forgot narrator, it's an upcoming screen reader but it to me
deserves a place in the standing tall category.

On 3 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Thank you. Eloquently stated. Ditto.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 9:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of
developing an open source screen reader to neutralize the high
cost of commercial screen readers, and when he and James Teh
founded NVAccess, The feeling going around was that sooner or
later, this upstart in the screen reader industry would shortly be
gobbled up by the more recognized players. Well, Window eyes has
gone down the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and Dolphin has gone
almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall in the
boxing ring is JFW and NVDA. These are the facts, not mere
conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see. Why am I
writing this? Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a
company to work towards improving a product. However, the demand
for immediate rewards can also lead to a product being rushed out
in the hope that it will satisfy the needs of the customers as
well as filling up the company's coffers. But hope is one thing,
delivery is another vital factor. I do not have to revise the
recent debacle experienced by the end users of Windows 1809. Jaws
is now into it's 2019 version. Yet their new driver is not as
stable as it should be and there are complains about it from users
and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No
software can avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha
version released that tries to fix reported issues. Then we must
not leave out a dedicated community of users who do their very
best to help in the form of advise and tutorials, some even
dedicating part of their website to put up materials for reference
for those who need them. And then there are those from the
community who help with NVDA's development, Translators who help
translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many
languages, and the addon developers who develop addons that make
NVDA more than just a mere screen reader, All these done in their
own spare time and without the apparent rewards in dollars. Which
reminds me, Is there a clock addon for JFW? Which brings me back
to motivation. I did earlier allude to the fact that monetary
reward is a big incentive. But you know, humanity can be a bigger
incentive than finance. For most blind people, and especially for
those living in the poorer countries, just getting a working
computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the cost of a screen
reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has provided us
from rich and poor regions of the world with another alternative,
and that in itself is a modern miracle. And, most important, NVDA,
as I said earlier is not just a mere screen reader. It goes way
beyond basic screen reading tasks like browsing the web or
checking emails or formatting documents. It works seemlessly with
programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just to
name a few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS
like Reaper to make music as a hobby or as a profession, and
broadcasters benefit from addons developed for Station playlist
studio. I use both Jaws and NVDA, and I had to pay almost 2000
Singapore dollars to get my new version of Jaws. And after all
that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent Jaws Scripters
to make jaws work with some applications. NVDA is open source and
free, it's addons are free, and therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way
beyond my understanding. Negative posts like this are rather
disturbing because it could put a huge dent into the efforts of
all concerned with NVDA's development. And one must not forget the
extraneous update routines put out by Microsoft which not only
affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon this long and rambling email,
but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts onto paper, as it were,
just to remind ourselves that we do owe these people dedicated to
ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us all that as long
as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from dying a slow
death or disappearing into the ether. To me, NVDA is, and always
will be a modern miracle. Cheers!








Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Brian's Mail list account
 

Well said indeed.
I also note that even though James is working for Mozilla he is still contributing to nvda code as those who wander the vast expanses of github will see, and I thank him for that as well.


It may not be mentioned much and so I thought I would.
Also of course we in the richer parts of the world, though everything is of course relative, can and do send donations to nvaccess when we can.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 2:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology


Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing an open source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial screen readers, and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling going around was that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader industry would shortly be gobbled up by the more recognized players. Well, Window eyes has gone down the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and Dolphin has gone almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall in the boxing ring is JFW and NVDA. These are the facts, not mere conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see. Why am I writing this? Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a company to work towards improving a product. However, the demand for immediate rewards can also lead to a product being rushed out in the hope that it will satisfy the needs of the customers as well as filling up the company's coffers. But hope is one thing, delivery is another vital factor. I do not have to revise the recent debacle experienced by the end users of Windows 1809. Jaws is now into it's 2019 version. Yet their new driver is not as stable as it should be and there are complains about it from users and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha version released that tries to fix reported issues. Then we must not leave out a dedicated community of users who do their very best to help in the form of advise and tutorials, some even dedicating part of their website to put up materials for reference for those who need them. And then there are those from the community who help with NVDA's development, Translators who help translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many languages, and the addon developers who develop addons that make NVDA more than just a mere screen reader, All these done in their own spare time and without the apparent rewards in dollars. Which reminds me, Is there a clock addon for JFW? Which brings me back to motivation. I did earlier allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big incentive. But you know, humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance. For most blind people, and especially for those living in the poorer countries, just getting a working computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the cost of a screen reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has provided us from rich and poor regions of the world with another alternative, and that in itself is a modern miracle. And, most important, NVDA, as I said earlier is not just a mere screen reader. It goes way beyond basic screen reading tasks like browsing the web or checking emails or formatting documents. It works seemlessly with programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just to name a few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS like Reaper to make music as a hobby or as a profession, and broadcasters benefit from addons developed for Station playlist studio. I use both Jaws and NVDA, and I had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars to get my new version of Jaws. And after all that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent Jaws Scripters to make jaws work with some applications. NVDA is open source and free, it's addons are free, and therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond my understanding. Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because it could put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's development. And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put out by Microsoft which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon this long and rambling email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts onto paper, as it were, just to remind ourselves that we do owe these people dedicated to ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us all that as long as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from dying a slow death or disappearing into the ether. To me, NVDA is, and always will be a modern miracle. Cheers!



Re: NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

Brian's Mail list account
 

Hi, just thought of this, yes I did post my errors to the dev list the other day, but to me they look pretty unimportant in the vast scheme of things, and I'm not getting them on the beta, so it may well be something to do with the portable version and its add ons.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing


Great to hear, thanks Rosemarie!

Yes, the ding sound is played when an error of some kind is written to the
log. It doesn't necessarily mean there is a problem for a regular user -
and in many cases, having encountered an error, NVDA will try another way
to do whatever it was trying to do. So in many cases there may be a ding,
but as a user, you don't notice anything amiss.

If you do find anything not working as it should, however, please do let us
know!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:10 PM Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...>
wrote:

Hi, Quentin,



I just downloaded the beta version and it's working great for me. I do get
the dinging sound but other than that, it's working great for me.



Rosemarie







*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Quentin
Christensen
*Sent:* Sunday, March 3, 2019 5:13 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* [nvda] NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing



Original post at:
https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-1beta1-available-for-testing/


NVDA 2019.1beta1 available for testing



March 4, 2019 10:10 am

Beta1 of NVDA 2019.1 is now available for download and testing. For anyone
who is interested in trying out what NVDA 2019.1 has to offer before it is
officially released, we welcome you to download the beta and provide
feedback.

Highlights of this release include performance improvements when accessing
both Microsoft word and Excel, stability and security improvements such as
support for add-ons with version compatibility information, and many other
bug fixes.

Although we recommend always reading the full list of changes (linked
below), it is worth noting several important changes in regards to add-ons
and other custom code:

NVDA will no longer automatically load custom appModules, globalPlugins
and braille and synth drivers from the NVDA user configuration directory.
This code should be instead packaged as an add-on with correct version
information, ensuring that incompatible code is not run with current
versions of NVDA. For developers who need to test code as it is being
developed, enable NVDA’s developer scratchpad directory in the Advanced
category of NVDA settings, and place your code in the ‘scratchpad’
directory found in the NVDA user configuration directory when this option
is enabled.

Also, add-ons can now specify a minimum required NVDA version, and the
last tested NVDA version, in their manifest. If this version of NVDA is
outside of the specified range, NVDA will refuse to install or enable that
particular add-on. This version of NVDA will however still allow installing
and loading of add-ons that do not yet contain Minimum and Last Tested NVDA
version information at all, but upgrading to future versions of NVDA (E.g.
2019.2) may automatically cause these older add-ons to be disabled.



· *Download NVDA 2019.1beta1*
<https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2019.1beta1/nvda_2019.1beta1.exe>

· *What’s new in this release of NVDA*
<https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2019.1beta1/nvda_2019.1beta1_changes.html>

· Please report any issues *on GitHub*
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues>.

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Re: NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

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Now I don't get the dinging. I thought it was an issue with an add on?
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Hi, Quentin,



I just downloaded the beta version and it's working great for me. I do get the dinging sound but other than that, it's working great for me.



Rosemarie







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Original post at: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2019-1beta1-available-for-testing/




NVDA 2019.1beta1 available for testing




March 4, 2019 10:10 am

Beta1 of NVDA 2019.1 is now available for download and testing. For anyone who is interested in trying out what NVDA 2019.1 has to offer before it is officially released, we welcome you to download the beta and provide feedback.

Highlights of this release include performance improvements when accessing both Microsoft word and Excel, stability and security improvements such as support for add-ons with version compatibility information, and many other bug fixes.

Although we recommend always reading the full list of changes (linked below), it is worth noting several important changes in regards to add-ons and other custom code:

NVDA will no longer automatically load custom appModules, globalPlugins and braille and synth drivers from the NVDA user configuration directory. This code should be instead packaged as an add-on with correct version information, ensuring that incompatible code is not run with current versions of NVDA. For developers who need to test code as it is being developed, enable NVDA’s developer scratchpad directory in the Advanced category of NVDA settings, and place your code in the ‘scratchpad’ directory found in the NVDA user configuration directory when this option is enabled.

Also, add-ons can now specify a minimum required NVDA version, and the last tested NVDA version, in their manifest. If this version of NVDA is outside of the specified range, NVDA will refuse to install or enable that particular add-on. This version of NVDA will however still allow installing and loading of add-ons that do not yet contain Minimum and Last Tested NVDA version information at all, but upgrading to future versions of NVDA (E.g. 2019.2) may automatically cause these older add-ons to be disabled.



* <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2019.1beta1/nvda_2019.1beta1.exe> Download NVDA 2019.1beta1

* <https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2019.1beta1/nvda_2019.1beta1_changes.html> What’s new in this release of NVDA

* Please report any issues <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues> on GitHub.

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Re: Settings question

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It has been asked for before, a long time ago. It has split many people. some like the hand holding Jaws does in this respect, others feel that often the info is time wasting and often meaningless with the number of clickables appearing these days. I'd like it to be an option as I would wrap to top with a sound to indicate it.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Settings question


Hi Greg


No there is not. I do not even think any one has made a addon either that might be able to do it either.


Gene nz


On 4/03/2019 12:31 PM, Greg Rhodes wrote:
Is there an NVDA setting I can turn on so that the number of landmarks, headings, and links are announced when I open a web page (or MS Word document)? I know I can get to that info through the NVDA/F7 elements list but would like for it to be announced when I open a new page. Thanks.

Greg


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Re: NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

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Yes using it now as an installed version. I still have alpha on a portable though.
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Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 1:12 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing


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NVDA 2019.1beta1 available for testing

March 4, 2019 10:10 am

Beta1 of NVDA 2019.1 is now available for download and testing. For anyone
who is interested in trying out what NVDA 2019.1 has to offer before it is
officially released, we welcome you to download the beta and provide
feedback.

Highlights of this release include performance improvements when accessing
both Microsoft word and Excel, stability and security improvements such as
support for add-ons with version compatibility information, and many other
bug fixes.

Although we recommend always reading the full list of changes (linked
below), it is worth noting several important changes in regards to add-ons
and other custom code:

NVDA will no longer automatically load custom appModules, globalPlugins and
braille and synth drivers from the NVDA user configuration directory. This
code should be instead packaged as an add-on with correct version
information, ensuring that incompatible code is not run with current
versions of NVDA. For developers who need to test code as it is being
developed, enable NVDA’s developer scratchpad directory in the Advanced
category of NVDA settings, and place your code in the ‘scratchpad’
directory found in the NVDA user configuration directory when this option
is enabled.

Also, add-ons can now specify a minimum required NVDA version, and the last
tested NVDA version, in their manifest. If this version of NVDA is outside
of the specified range, NVDA will refuse to install or enable that
particular add-on. This version of NVDA will however still allow installing
and loading of add-ons that do not yet contain Minimum and Last Tested NVDA
version information at all, but upgrading to future versions of NVDA (E.g.
2019.2) may automatically cause these older add-ons to be disabled.


- Download NVDA 2019.1beta1
<https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2019.1beta1/nvda_2019.1beta1.exe>
- What’s new in this release of NVDA
<https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2019.1beta1/nvda_2019.1beta1_changes.html>
- Please report any issues on GitHub
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues>.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org
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Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

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That is the same basic idea as windows 7 then. Occasionally you can find issues of blocked ports, but its not always windows fault. It can be the ISP or the router or both.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10


1. Press your windows key
2. Type allow an app then press enter

2. Press alt+n to change settings
3. Press alt+r to allow another app
4. Press alt+b to browse to the app you wish to add
When you find the executable for the app press enter on it.
5. Tab to add and enter.

Repeat 4 – 6 to add another app.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tony Ballou
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

Howdy folks,


Using windows 10 version 1803 on my desktop system. For some reason it
doesn't want version 1809. I have to create a couple of exceptions in
windows firewall so that two programs that I frequently use run
properly. I haven't had to do this in years. Has anybody done this
successfully, and could share with me the steps for how to do it. Thanks
a bunch.


Tony


Re: adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10

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Is it anything like the windows 7 version?
Not looked at 10 recently, but I get the distinct impression that legacy software say Outlook Express modified by a third party to run can have such issues as Windows newer versions need a different way for programs to tell it they want access to ports etc, and so they need to be added manually.
Of course I blame Microsoft in being a bit churlish in uninstalling perfectly useful software, merely cos its old, not because it is a security risk or old. I think we blind tend to use older software though, more than others due to the investment in learning to use them and their simplicity, in the main. NVDA is good in that it still supports a lot of older software and that is one reason I use it over anything else.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 9:14 PM
Subject: [nvda] adding exceptions to the windows firewall in windows 10


Howdy folks,


Using windows 10 version 1803 on my desktop system. For some reason it
doesn't want version 1809. I have to create a couple of exceptions in
windows firewall so that two programs that I frequently use run
properly. I haven't had to do this in years. Has anybody done this
successfully, and could share with me the steps for how to do it. Thanks
a bunch.


Tony




Re: qualtrics

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I'd heartily agree, your tutor should embrace this as a real barrier to accessibility not just for the creation but the execution of surveys. I recently had one from Virgin media and it was a total wast of time access wise. I won't go into detail, but it was inconsistent and used controls no screenreader knew about. I bet it looked pretty though :-)
Google seems to be the preferred on.
Brian

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Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] qualtrics


I haven't created any surveys with qualtrix, but I've taken a lot of them, and they are sketchy in the extreme.

I feel that even if you hacked one into being somehow, a lot of assistive technology users would be barriered from completing it. Qualtrix is simply a bad idea.

Survey monkey and google forms are both very accessible for creation and distribution. Formstack is another great tool. If qualtrix dowsn't want to comply, they can go bankrupt and the industry won't miss them.

Best,

Erik


On March 3, 2019 1:27:44 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:

hi all,

I need to conduct a survey as part of my masters project, and the things
I am doing, require me to use Qualtrics. However, the program doesn't
seem to be very accessible. For instance, I cannot change question type
to something which isn't multiple choice. Is there a way to use this
accessibly with NVDA? Have any other members used this software?








Re: application error in latest alpha

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Hmm, I hate mysteries like that. I like to see a smoking gun. IE

cause and effect.
We have several people on here who advocate a complete reinstall of windows, but I've never had to do that thus far for most issues its some kind of registry corruption maybe caused by a bad bit of software or a bad shutdown.
Anyway, glad its sorted it for you.

Brian
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Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] application error in latest alpha


No! Or at least I don't remember installing or uninstalling anything. And to be honest about it, it wasn't a thought process or anything intelligent but pure guess work. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised to find the errors gone. Cheers!

On 3/3/2019 5:11 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hmm, well that did not work for me but then I'm getting different errors.
I wonder what deregistered the files. Have you uninstalled anything recently?

Might be of use to know for others sake.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] application error in latest alpha


O I got it fixed by going to tools and registering the dlls and then restarting my pc. Cheers!

On 3/2/2019 5:42 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Does it do it if you disable all addones on a restart?
It looks a little like it might be related to an add on.
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Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 1:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] application error in latest alpha


Hi. I am getting this error every time I restart the latest NVDA alpha:

Error message below

//////////

NvdaHelper remote(outProcMgrThreadFunc) Dialog: error registering focus WinEventHook

//////////

There is then an ok button to get out of the dialog. How it affects NVDA's workings, I am not as yet sure as I am just trying the alpha out. Will report if there is any misbehavior. Cheers!