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Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

 

Em 04/03/2019 20:16, Devin Prater escreveu:
Narrator, at this point, has one feature that none of them have
ever had, the ability to "caption" UI elements, usually images or
inaccessible controls, using Microsoft’s Vision AI. NVDA can do OCR, but
Narrator does that and gets a description of the element.
How can one access such feature? I never heard about it, seems pretty interesting!


Re: Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view

Brice Mijares
 

Thanks for the reminder.

On 3/4/2019 3:43 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi,
The add-on you are talking about is called Quick Folder Navigation. It's actually quite good and I do use it on my Thunderbird :)
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 04/03/2019 20:38, Brice Mijares escreveu:
Try opening the message, hit alt m, m again, then right arrow and then you can arrow up or down to the folder you want and hit enter and the message will go into that folder. There is a add on that escapes my memory. Something like single key navigation that will move you to the folders quicker.
On 3/4/2019 3:10 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
My thing is that I cannot get Thunderbird to change folders where I wish messages to go in that combobox of my folders. I've made folders for message groups E.G. nvda, windows ten, blindtech, etc. but how to get them to change? I press enter and get an error message so what is the secret?


On 3/4/2019 10:14 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Em 04/03/2019 14:59, ADRIAN POCOCK escreveu:
Also is there a way of having more than one filter applied to the sorting order of emails in inbox.
To my knowledge, one can have as many filters as one needs. You just need to pay attention on the filters' order, because they will run according with what you have done first.

Lastly does anyone know of any add-on to move all messages from one subject as in the threads to create one combined email.

You don't need an add-on to do it, not really. On the "order by" (or something like that) menu, you'll find an option to group the messages on a certain subject in only one thread.

Sorry, I believe I couldn't help as much as I'd like, but I hope you find at least one thing that I just wrote useful for answering your questions.

Cheers,
Marcio








Re: Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view

 

Even though I'm doing something I will soon be cracking down on (including for myself, I might add) I will offer one last bit of information on this Off-Topic topic.

Part of the "shortcut sheets" I create for my clients can include information on Thunderbird and using it with a screen reader.  Here's that section, which includes information about the add-on that makes first letter navigation in the folder tree possible:

Using Thunderbird with a Screen Reader
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view

 

Hi,
The add-on you are talking about is called Quick Folder Navigation. It's actually quite good and I do use it on my Thunderbird :)
Em 04/03/2019 20:38, Brice Mijares escreveu:

Try opening the message, hit alt m, m again, then right arrow and then you can arrow up or down to the folder you want and hit enter and the message will go into that folder. There is a add on that escapes my memory. Something like single key navigation that will move you to the folders quicker.
On 3/4/2019 3:10 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
My thing is that I cannot get Thunderbird to change folders where I wish messages to go in that combobox of my folders. I've made folders for message groups E.G. nvda, windows ten, blindtech, etc. but how to get them to change? I press enter and get an error message so what is the secret?


On 3/4/2019 10:14 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Em 04/03/2019 14:59, ADRIAN POCOCK escreveu:
Also is there a way of having more than one filter applied to the sorting order of emails in inbox.
To my knowledge, one can have as many filters as one needs. You just need to pay attention on the filters' order, because they will run according with what you have done first.

Lastly does anyone know of any add-on to move all messages from one subject as in the threads to create one combined email.


You don't need an add-on to do it, not really. On the "order by" (or something like that) menu, you'll find an option to group the messages on a certain subject in only one thread.

Sorry, I believe I couldn't help as much as I'd like, but I hope you find at least one thing that I just wrote useful for answering your questions.

Cheers,
Marcio














Re: Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view

Brice Mijares
 

Try opening the message, hit alt m, m again, then right arrow and then you can arrow up or down to the folder you want and hit enter and the message will go into that folder. There is a add on that escapes my memory. Something like single key navigation that will move you to the folders quicker.

On 3/4/2019 3:10 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
My thing is that I cannot get Thunderbird to change folders where I wish messages to go in that combobox of my folders. I've made folders for message groups E.G. nvda, windows ten, blindtech, etc. but how to get them to change? I press enter and get an error message so what is the secret?
On 3/4/2019 10:14 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Em 04/03/2019 14:59, ADRIAN POCOCK escreveu:
Also is there a way of having more than one filter applied to the sorting order of emails in inbox.
To my knowledge, one can have as many filters as one needs. You just need to pay attention on the filters' order, because they will run according with what you have done first.

Lastly does anyone know of any add-on to move all messages from one subject as in the threads to create one combined email.

You don't need an add-on to do it, not really. On the "order by" (or something like that) menu, you'll find an option to group the messages on a certain subject in only one thread.

Sorry, I believe I couldn't help as much as I'd like, but I hope you find at least one thing that I just wrote useful for answering your questions.

Cheers,
Marcio



Re: skype menu

Lino Morales
 

                                Sean the keyboard command to quit Skype is CTRL Q. Now JAWS or NVDA does not read the options in the system tray. HTH.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...>
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:59:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] skype menu
 
Hi.

Well I have just got into some studdy online and I need skype.

I have got into skype 8, and well, after a little bit of doodling about
I must say that ms have actually improved skypes web interface,
everything is labeled, now the only issue is I can't access the context
menu in skype right click, its about the only thing I can't do, so I
can't quit skype without ending the task from task manager.

Its about the only thing I can't do.






Re: Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view

 

Moving Messages Between Folders on Thunderbird

1.      Select the message or messages you wish to move.

2.      Bring up the context menu with the applications/menu key or Shift+F10, then hit M [Move]

3.      You will be presented with a submenu that will vary somewhat depending on your folder structure, you have to drill down through the submenu to locate the folder where you want the selected messages to be moved.

4.      Once you have focus on that folder, hit Enter and the message(s) will be moved there.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Draft view in Microsoft word.

Giles Turnbull
 

It is supposed to be settable by going to the main options, ALT+f and then somewhere in the advanced options is a setting that allows documents to open in draft view.

This is the Microsoft info about doing it:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/help/919599/how-to-change-the-default-view-to-draft-view-in-word

DOes it work? I followed it several months ago and all my docs stilll open in print view. It's annoying because I always need to set it to draft view but I haven't found a way that actually works!

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news :)

Giles


Re: Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Curt,

I used to have problems with rules not working in thunderbird so I switched back to outlook. It's easier to do message rules in outlook but sometimes even those rules don't always work.

Rosie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view

My thing is that I cannot get Thunderbird to change folders where I wish messages to go in that combobox of my folders. I've made folders for message groups E.G. nvda, windows ten, blindtech, etc. but how to get them to change? I press enter and get an error message so what is the secret?


On 3/4/2019 10:14 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Em 04/03/2019 14:59, ADRIAN POCOCK escreveu:
Also is there a way of having more than one filter applied to the
sorting order of emails in inbox.
To my knowledge, one can have as many filters as one needs. You just
need to pay attention on the filters' order, because they will run
according with what you have done first.

Lastly does anyone know of any add-on to move all messages from one
subject as in the threads to create one combined email.

You don't need an add-on to do it, not really. On the "order by" (or
something like that) menu, you'll find an option to group the messages
on a certain subject in only one thread.

Sorry, I believe I couldn't help as much as I'd like, but I hope you
find at least one thing that I just wrote useful for answering your
questions.

Cheers,
Marcio



Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Devin Prater
 

Lol Shaun, Narrator gets rather good upgrades each release of
Windows. GW Micro cannot be bought, it’s already a part of Vispero or
whatever they’re calling themselves now, VFO before. System Access is
kind of dying off, the need for a fourth screen reader isn’t really
there. Narrator, at this point, has one feature that none of them have
ever had, the ability to "caption" UI elements, usually images or
inaccessible controls, using Microsoft’s Vision AI. NVDA can do OCR, but
Narrator does that and gets a description of the element.
--
Devin Prater
r.d.t.prater@gmail.com

"Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com> writes:

Hmmm, maybe.

I wouldn't call narator a screen reader no matter what microsoft says.

Ok, from a total piece of shitty crap gimic its assended to a usefull assistive tool,
certainly good enough to be accessible in microsoft programs and where that is
concerned thats fine I guess.

Outside it its still a bit hit and miss.

So it could rise to become a screenreader, but I doubt it will, maybe upgrade that
from never to be well maybe it will or it won't, I am giving a lot of leeway into what
I would define a screenreader to actually be.

One thing I would define a screen reader as not that it can read the screen, but it
can cope with a lot of challenges a user may access daily, icons, some graphics, and
some nonstandard programs.

Nvda does read things reasonably well, and while it can read most interfaces its
strength is the web that includes but is not limited to web based programs.

Fortunately for the end user web interfaces have taken off in the last 5 years.

Everyone has its limitations.

If nvda has any, in terms of limitations they are quite small, its all depending on
the imagination of the user chucking out crazy ideas and then a really crazy
programmer to make those become reality or it can be the other way round.

Some crazy programmer can chuck his dream at the unsuspecting user and make a
real big splash without the comercial fanfare.

To be honest if I was microsoft, I would ditch the crap that was narator, and just
buy gwmicro and make it its own.

I mean it had it once but its to late to get what it lost now.

It wouldn't have to do much to keep windoweyes running either and it would be
established.

The biggest weakness with dolphin is their either unwillingness or really slo
progress in upgrading their internet engine to work with more brousers than
internet explorer which microsoft has deemed insecure and crap.

Even before that everyone caught up with well everything else.

Jaws, I don't know you need scripts to run everything, in nvda true you do have
scripts nvda is one big script after all.

However in jaws you need to have scripts to even run jaws.

I also have reservations on its licencing system especially for some modules and
extras.

I have never used screen access to properly say either or on the subject so I won't,
the screen access to go app when it worked was good as far as it was.

To be honest, the only thing microsoft has is this piece of crap called narator which
microsoft had a chance to kill completely but didn't.

Why they didn't just buy wineyes when they had a chance is anyone's guess, now
they are trying to slowly get back the reputation for crappy narator instead of going
with something else.

They are making it harder on themselves to be honest.

Even if narator does achieve status of a screen reader, I don't know.

Nvda is what narator should be right now and its not even close.

On 4/03/2019 5:20 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

You forgot narrator, it's an upcoming screen reader but it to me deserves a
place in the standing tall category.

On 3 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Thank you. Eloquently stated. Ditto.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 9:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing an
open source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial screen
readers, and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling going
around was that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader industry
would shortly be gobbled up by the more recognized players. Well, Window
eyes has gone down the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and Dolphin has
gone almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall in the boxing
ring is JFW and NVDA. These are the facts, not mere conjecture, and the
facts are clear enough to see. Why am I writing this? Financial reward is a
big factor in motivating a company to work towards improving a product.
However, the demand for immediate rewards can also lead to a product
being rushed out in the hope that it will satisfy the needs of the customers
as well as filling up the company's coffers. But hope is one thing, delivery
is another vital factor. I do not have to revise the recent debacle
experienced by the end users of Windows 1809. Jaws is now into it's 2019
version. Yet their new driver is not as stable as it should be and there are
complains about it from users and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can
avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha version released that tries to
fix reported issues. Then we must not leave out a dedicated community of
users who do their very best to help in the form of advise and tutorials,
some even dedicating part of their website to put up materials for
reference for those who need them. And then there are those from the
community who help with NVDA's development, Translators who help
translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many languages,
and the addon developers who develop addons that make NVDA more than
just a mere screen reader, All these done in their own spare time and
without the apparent rewards in dollars. Which reminds me, Is there a
clock addon for JFW? Which brings me back to motivation. I did earlier
allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big incentive. But you know,
humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance. For most blind people,
and especially for those living in the poorer countries, just getting a
working computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the cost of a screen
reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has provided us from
rich and poor regions of the world with another alternative, and that in
itself is a modern miracle. And, most important, NVDA, as I said earlier is
not just a mere screen reader. It goes way beyond basic screen reading
tasks like browsing the web or checking emails or formatting documents.
It works seemlessly with programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android
Studio, just to name a few, and then musicians use it in association with
DAWS like Reaper to make music as a hobby or as a profession, and
broadcasters benefit from addons developed for Station playlist studio. I
use both Jaws and NVDA, and I had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars
to get my new version of Jaws. And after all that, I had to pay for some
scripts by independent Jaws Scripters to make jaws work with some
applications. NVDA is open source and free, it's addons are free, and
therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond
my understanding. Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because
it could put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's
development. And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put
out by Microsoft which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon this
long and rambling email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts onto
paper, as it were, just to remind ourselves that we do owe these people
dedicated to ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us all that
as long as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from dying a slow
death or disappearing into the ether. To me, NVDA is, and always will be a
modern miracle. Cheers!


Re: Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view

Curtis Delzer
 

My thing is that I cannot get Thunderbird to change folders where I wish messages to go in that combobox of my folders. I've made folders for message groups E.G. nvda, windows ten, blindtech, etc. but how to get them to change? I press enter and get an error message so what is the secret?

On 3/4/2019 10:14 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Em 04/03/2019 14:59, ADRIAN POCOCK escreveu:
Also is there a way of having more than one filter applied to the sorting order of emails in inbox.
To my knowledge, one can have as many filters as one needs. You just need to pay attention on the filters' order, because they will run according with what you have done first.

Lastly does anyone know of any add-on to move all messages from one subject as in the threads to create one combined email.

You don't need an add-on to do it, not really. On the "order by" (or something like that) menu, you'll find an option to group the messages on a certain subject in only one thread.

Sorry, I believe I couldn't help as much as I'd like, but I hope you find at least one thing that I just wrote useful for answering your questions.

Cheers,
Marcio


Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Devin Prater
 

Wow, that's great! With those guys on the team, I'm sure it'll be
amazing. I just wish they didn’t have to rely on BRLTTY, so that Braille
can advance more quickly, and could be there on startup, no install needed.
--
Devin Prater
r.d.t.prater@gmail.com

"Sky Mundell" <skyt@shaw.ca> writes:

Yup. Doug Geoffray and Jeremy curry from what used to be GW Micro are now
working at Microsoft now and both of them, along with Jeff bishop, Matt Campbell
from Serotek are making Narrator a superb product. I think Narrator is going to
have scripting support eventually enabling it to work with proprietary applications.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 8:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

You forgot narrator, it's an upcoming screen reader but it to me deserves a place in
the standing tall category.

On 3 Mar 2019, at 18:37, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Thank you. Eloquently stated. Ditto.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 9:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology

Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing an open
source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial screen readers,
and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling going around was
that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader industry would shortly be
gobbled up by the more recognized players. Well, Window eyes has gone down
the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and Dolphin has gone almost quiet, and the
two left standing proud and tall in the boxing ring is JFW and NVDA. These are
the facts, not mere conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see. Why am I
writing this? Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a company to work
towards improving a product. However, the demand for immediate rewards can
also lead to a product being rushed out in the hope that it will satisfy the needs
of the customers as well as filling up the company's coffers. But hope is one
thing, delivery is another vital factor. I do not have to revise the recent debacle
experienced by the end users of Windows 1809. Jaws is now into it's 2019
version. Yet their new driver is not as stable as it should be and there are
complains about it from users and Jaws scripters alike.

And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can
avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha version released that tries to fix
reported issues. Then we must not leave out a dedicated community of users
who do their very best to help in the form of advise and tutorials, some even
dedicating part of their website to put up materials for reference for those who
need them. And then there are those from the community who help with
NVDA's development, Translators who help translate NVDA itself and it's
numerous addons into the many languages, and the addon developers who
develop addons that make NVDA more than just a mere screen reader, All
these done in their own spare time and without the apparent rewards in
dollars. Which reminds me, Is there a clock addon for JFW? Which brings me
back to motivation. I did earlier allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big
incentive. But you know, humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance. For
most blind people, and especially for those living in the poorer countries, just
getting a working computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the cost of a
screen reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has provided us from
rich and poor regions of the world with another alternative, and that in itself is
a modern miracle. And, most important, NVDA, as I said earlier is not just a
mere screen reader. It goes way beyond basic screen reading tasks like
browsing the web or checking emails or formatting documents. It works
seemlessly with programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just
to name a few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS like Reaper
to make music as a hobby or as a profession, and broadcasters benefit from
addons developed for Station playlist studio. I use both Jaws and NVDA, and I
had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars to get my new version of Jaws. And
after all that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent Jaws Scripters to
make jaws work with some applications. NVDA is open source and free, it's
addons are free, and therein lies the difference.

How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond my
understanding. Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because it could
put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's development.
And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put out by Microsoft
which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon this long and rambling
email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts onto paper, as it were, just to
remind ourselves that we do owe these people dedicated to ever improving
NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us all that as long as this great effort
continues, NVDA will be far from dying a slow death or disappearing into the
ether. To me, NVDA is, and always will be a modern miracle. Cheers!


skype menu

 

Hi.

Well I have just got into some studdy online and I need skype.

I have got into skype 8, and well, after a little bit of doodling about I must say that ms have actually improved skypes web interface, everything is labeled, now the only issue is I can't access the context menu in skype right click, its about the only thing I can't do, so I can't quit skype without ending the task from task manager.

Its about the only thing I can't do.


Re: Reading subtitles in Netflix with NVDA

JM Casey
 

That hasn’t been my experience, though granted I don’t watch described movies all that often and so the number of subtitled ones I tried were very small. Some movies simply don’t have enough quiet parts for that to be realistically feasible. Others’ experiences and opinions may of course vary, but if I can’t listen to the actual actors speaking, regardless of what language that happens to be in, I’m out of it.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: March 4, 2019 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading subtitles in Netflix with NVDA

 

Hi

 

All the audio described content i have watched they do it in the quiet parts and do it very well.

 

Gene nz

 

On 5/03/2019 9:35 AM, JM Casey wrote:

I don't really know anything about Netflix, and this might not be avilable for some of the new shows there, but it might well be for older ones and movies. I usually just find a file with an .srt extension on the internet, and download it to my braille display device. It's not the best arrangement as the subtitles don't move with the dialogue as they are supposed to, but it's not so bad once you get the hang of it; you just have to focus pretty hard. I'd much rather do this than listen to a synth or a human reading the subtitles, talking over the actual actors in the film!
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: March 4, 2019 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading subtitles in Netflix with NVDA
 
Hello Gene,
 
 
Thanks.
 
 
I know how to get around Netflix in Android, although subtitles there aren't very usable.
 
 
A friend and I were trying to see them on computers, so I'll have a look 
at the page you recommended.
 
 
I can find audiodescriptions without diffilulties. I'm currently 
watching The Crown and Black Mirror, plus a couple of Italian series and 
La Casa de Papel in Spanish, which I'd started watching last year, but 
now I discovered audiodescriptions, and it's a great thing...
 
 
Ciao and thanks,
 
Ollie
 
 
 
 
Il 04/03/2019 20:41, hurrikennyandopo ... ha scritto:
 
Hi
 
 
I was lazy but this page will mostly cover what you want depending on 
the device you use. It also has it for the computer if you use that.
 
 
The link to this page is https://help.netflix.com/en/node/372 
<https://help.netflix.com/en/node/372>
 
They also do audio description a lot of people do not know that. Also 
net flix works with the google mini or smart speakers from them with a 
chrome cast.
 
 
When setup you use your voice to control it like play, resume rewind etc.
 
 
Gene nz
 
 
On 5/03/2019 4:16 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,
 
 
Is it possible to read subtitles in Netflix with NVDA?
 
 
I found a great tutorial in Accessibility Central, but can't find any 
reference to subtitles.
 
 
Thanks, stay well,
 
 
Ollie
 
 
 
 
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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related 
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the 
APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of 
their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest 
to you please visit 
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries 
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is 
installed on the APNK network please visit the following 
linkhttp://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out 
how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following 
linkhttp://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City 
Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to 
the following links. Software available 
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884How to 
start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers 
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following 
link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page 
contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around 
the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
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Re: Reading subtitles in Netflix with NVDA

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


All the audio described content i have watched they do it in the quiet parts and do it very well.


Gene nz


On 5/03/2019 9:35 AM, JM Casey wrote:
I don't really know anything about Netflix, and this might not be avilable for some of the new shows there, but it might well be for older ones and movies. I usually just find a file with an .srt extension on the internet, and download it to my braille display device. It's not the best arrangement as the subtitles don't move with the dialogue as they are supposed to, but it's not so bad once you get the hang of it; you just have to focus pretty hard. I'd much rather do this than listen to a synth or a human reading the subtitles, talking over the actual actors in the film!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mallard
Sent: March 4, 2019 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading subtitles in Netflix with NVDA

Hello Gene,


Thanks.


I know how to get around Netflix in Android, although subtitles there aren't very usable.


A friend and I were trying to see them on computers, so I'll have a look 
at the page you recommended.


I can find audiodescriptions without diffilulties. I'm currently 
watching The Crown and Black Mirror, plus a couple of Italian series and 
La Casa de Papel in Spanish, which I'd started watching last year, but 
now I discovered audiodescriptions, and it's a great thing...


Ciao and thanks,

Ollie




Il 04/03/2019 20:41, hurrikennyandopo ... ha scritto:
Hi


I was lazy but this page will mostly cover what you want depending on 
the device you use. It also has it for the computer if you use that.


The link to this page is https://help.netflix.com/en/node/372 
<https://help.netflix.com/en/node/372>

They also do audio description a lot of people do not know that. Also 
net flix works with the google mini or smart speakers from them with a 
chrome cast.


When setup you use your voice to control it like play, resume rewind etc.


Gene nz


On 5/03/2019 4:16 AM, Mallard wrote:
Hello all,


Is it possible to read subtitles in Netflix with NVDA?


I found a great tutorial in Accessibility Central, but can't find any 
reference to subtitles.


Thanks, stay well,


Ollie




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Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the 
APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of 
their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest 
to you please visit 
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries 
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is 
installed on the APNK network please visit the following 
linkhttp://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out 
how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following 
linkhttp://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City 
Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to 
the following links. Software available 
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884How to 
start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers 
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following 
link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page 
contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around 
the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.







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Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 available for testing

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Nancy,

You said using an external synth:  Firstly, which one?  Secondly, have you tried without using that to confirm it is related?

I see you created an issue on GitHub last night but closed it?  For the issue template, if you go to: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new?template=bug_report.md
you should get a page with two edit boxes, one for the subject and the other for the body of the issue.  In the body, should be a bunch of "comments" which guide you in what information to include.  Here is the template:

<!--
Please thoroughly read NVDA's wiki article on how to fill in this template, including how to provide the required files.
Issues may be closed if the required information is not present.
-->

### Steps to reproduce:

### Actual behavior:

### Expected behavior:

### System configuration
#### NVDA installed/portable/running from source:

#### NVDA version:

#### Windows version:

#### Name and version of other software in use when reproducing the issue:

#### Other information about your system:

### Other questions
#### Does the issue still occur after restarting your PC?

#### Have you tried any other versions of NVDA?


On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 12:16 AM Nancy Shackelford <n.k.nancelady@...> wrote:
When using external synth with NVDA, starting with 2018... I believe
3-something, synth speaks "less than" with any movement of a cursor.
Has nothing to do with punctuation settings.

Thank you,

Nance

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Re: Settings question

Quentin Christensen
 

I don't think there's an open issue for this at present - even if it has been asked for and closed as "wontfix" previously, things change and if you can put up a reason why it would be useful, do please create an issue for it: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/new?template=feature_request.md

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:38 PM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
It has been asked for  before, a long time ago. It has split many people.
some like the hand holding Jaws does in this respect, others feel that often
the  info is time wasting and often meaningless with the number of
clickables appearing these days. I'd like it to be an option as I would wrap
to top with a sound to indicate it.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 12:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Settings question


> Hi Greg
>
>
> No there is not. I do not even think any one has made a addon either that
> might be able to do it either.
>
>
> Gene nz
>
>
> On 4/03/2019 12:31 PM, Greg Rhodes wrote:
> Is there an NVDA setting I can turn on so that the number of landmarks,
> headings, and links are announced when I open a web page (or MS Word
> document)? I know I can get to that info through the NVDA/F7 elements list
> but would like for it to be announced when I open a new page. Thanks.
>
> Greg
>
>
> --
> [Image NVDA          certified expert]
> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
> material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
>
> Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK
> sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
> computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you
> please visit
> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
> People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the
> APNK network please visit the following link
> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use
> NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link
> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
>
> To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library
> network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the
> following links. Software available
> https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to
> start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers
> https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
>
> To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
> https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
> official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who
> have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.
>
>
>
>
>






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Re: application error in latest alpha

Quentin Christensen
 

On the positive side (or at least positive for us) - this is the only report of this I've seen so far - which could indicate that something has been installed / uninstalled or otherwise updated which has messed up the registry a bit, or maybe a butterfly flapped its wings on the other side of the world at the wrong moment.  Glad re-registering the DLLs fixed it.  It will be interesting to see if it happens again - eg when another build comes out to update to.

Quentin.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 9:16 PM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Hmm, I hate mysteries like that. I like to see a smoking gun. IE

cause and effect.
 We have several people on here who advocate a complete reinstall of
windows, but I've never had to do that thus far for most issues its some
kind of registry corruption maybe caused by a bad bit of software or a bad
shutdown.
 Anyway, glad its sorted it for you.

Brian
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From: "Jaffar Sidek" <jaffar.sidek10@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2019 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] application error in latest alpha


> No! Or at least I don't remember installing or uninstalling anything. And
> to be honest about it, it wasn't a thought process or anything intelligent
> but pure guess work. In fact, I was pleasantly surprised to find the
> errors gone. Cheers!
>
> On 3/3/2019 5:11 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Hmm, well that did not work for me but then I'm getting different errors.
>> I wonder what deregistered the files. Have you uninstalled anything
>> recently?
>>
>> Might be of use to know for others sake.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
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>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaffar Sidek"
>> <jaffar.sidek10@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 10:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] application error in latest alpha
>>
>>
>>> O I got it fixed by going to tools and registering the dlls and then
>>> restarting my pc. Cheers!
>>>
>>> On 3/2/2019 5:42 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>>>> Does it do it if you disable all addones on a restart?
>>>> It looks a little like it might be related to an add on.
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@...
>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
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>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jaffar Sidek"
>>>> <jaffar.sidek10@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2019 1:14 AM
>>>> Subject: [nvda] application error in latest alpha
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi. I am getting this error every time I restart the latest NVDA
>>>>> alpha:
>>>>>
>>>>> Error message below
>>>>>
>>>>> //////////
>>>>>
>>>>> NvdaHelper remote(outProcMgrThreadFunc) Dialog: error registering
>>>>> focus WinEventHook
>>>>>
>>>>> //////////
>>>>>
>>>>> There is then an ok button to get out of the dialog. How it affects
>>>>> NVDA's workings, I am not as yet sure as I am just trying the alpha
>>>>> out. Will report if there is any misbehavior. Cheers!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>






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Re: Joseph Lee's add-ons and NVDA 2019.1: supported add-ons are compatible

Curtis Delzer
 

you take care! you are much more important than ANY projects.


On 3/4/2019 8:43 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi all,

Also, I’m taking a break from everything that has to do with NVDA for a few weeks so I can get my health back. After a busy weekend and doing some internal translations work, it has become clear to me that I have sort of reached the limit as to how many things I can do at once. Thus, in order to concentrate on things outside of NVDA, I’m suspending all work related to NVDA, including add-on releases and development, code contribution and what not (for translators: I have resigned from translation work, but did say I’ll help out with 2019.1 translations).

In case folks would like to reach me online, emails will work. For those wishing to (finally) meet me offline, although I won’t be going to CSUN conference due to scheduling conflicts, I’ll be going to a national speech tournament in April to be held at Santa Ana, California.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 8:19 AM
To: 'NVDA screen reader development' <nvda-devel@...>
Subject: [nvda] Joseph Lee's add-ons and NVDA 2019.1: supported add-ons are compatible

 

Hi everyone,

 

As agreed to between add-on authors a few weeks ago (announcing compatibility statements between beta 1 and official release), I’d like to let folks know that supported add-ons coming from me are compatible with NVDA 2019.1. Supported add-ons include:

 

  • Add-on Updater
  • Easy Table Navigator
  • Enhanced Touch Gestures
  • Golden Cursor (maintenance only)
  • GoldWave
  • ObjPad
  • Object Location Tones
  • Resource Monitor
  • Screen Curtain (experimental)
  • StationPlaylist Studio
  • SystrayList
  • Virtual Review
  • Windows 10 App Essentials

 

Important notices regarding some of these:

 

  • Add-on Updater: 30 days after release of NVDA 2019.1, support for 2018.4 will be dropped from this add-on.
  • StationPlaylist Studio: for people using 18.09.x-LTS, after release of 18.09.8 in April, 18.09.x will enter bug fix only mode. Also, for those using stable releases, version 19.06 and later will require Studio 5.20 and later.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: 30 days after release of NVDA 2019.1, support for 2018.3 will be dropped from this add-on as for add-on maintenance policy (supporting current and immediate past releases).

 

For add-ons dropping support for older NVDA releases:

 

  1. Although I did say 30 days, the schedule is a bit flexible, and I’ll let you know when support for older NVDA releases ends.
  2. For people using Add-on Updater (or for that matter, NVDA 2019.1 beta 1 and later), ending support for old NVDA releases means add-on manifest will be edited to reflect this change.

 

Lastly, although not stated in the subject line, once Python 3 version of NVDA ships, most (if not all) add-ons maintained by me will require that version of NVDA at some point in the future. To help out with transitions, I’ll give you a grace period where you can evaluate that future version of NVDA. Once the grace period closes, there’s no going back.

 

Cheers,

Joseph



NVDA and Editing Tools, What Works?

David Russell
 

Hi NVDA Group,

I am considering two editing tools for my writing avocation. My
primary Word Program is Jarte; I do have MSWord, 2013, but find it
clunky or clumsy if you prefer so do my writing in Jarte.

FireFox 60 is my browser and I am using a 2018 version of NVDA, love
it and donated to the cause!

Is either Grammarly or ProWritingAid of more benefit to NVDA user?
Does it beep or make an audible tone when perhaps presenting word
choice options?
I have used ProWritingAid online and email the editing report to
myself. It does help me improve!
Thanks for the opinions in advance.

--
David Russell
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