Re: NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology
Janet Brandly
Braveau! Standing ovation!
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From: Jaffar Sidek Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2019 7:31 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] NVDA the miracle of modern assistive technology Hi all. In 2006, when Michael Currant conceived the idea of developing an open source screen reader to neutralize the high cost of commercial screen readers, and when he and James Teh founded NVAccess, The feeling going around was that sooner or later, this upstart in the screen reader industry would shortly be gobbled up by the more recognized players. Well, Window eyes has gone down the proverbial plug hole. SaraTech and Dolphin has gone almost quiet, and the two left standing proud and tall in the boxing ring is JFW and NVDA. These are the facts, not mere conjecture, and the facts are clear enough to see. Why am I writing this? Financial reward is a big factor in motivating a company to work towards improving a product. However, the demand for immediate rewards can also lead to a product being rushed out in the hope that it will satisfy the needs of the customers as well as filling up the company's coffers. But hope is one thing, delivery is another vital factor. I do not have to revise the recent debacle experienced by the end users of Windows 1809. Jaws is now into it's 2019 version. Yet their new driver is not as stable as it should be and there are complains about it from users and Jaws scripters alike. And what about NVDA? O yes! NVDA does have it's quirks, No software can avoid that. But there is an almost daily alpha version released that tries to fix reported issues. Then we must not leave out a dedicated community of users who do their very best to help in the form of advise and tutorials, some even dedicating part of their website to put up materials for reference for those who need them. And then there are those from the community who help with NVDA's development, Translators who help translate NVDA itself and it's numerous addons into the many languages, and the addon developers who develop addons that make NVDA more than just a mere screen reader, All these done in their own spare time and without the apparent rewards in dollars. Which reminds me, Is there a clock addon for JFW? Which brings me back to motivation. I did earlier allude to the fact that monetary reward is a big incentive. But you know, humanity can be a bigger incentive than finance. For most blind people, and especially for those living in the poorer countries, just getting a working computer makes a dent in their pockets. Add the cost of a screen reader and the dent could be astronomical. NVDA has provided us from rich and poor regions of the world with another alternative, and that in itself is a modern miracle. And, most important, NVDA, as I said earlier is not just a mere screen reader. It goes way beyond basic screen reading tasks like browsing the web or checking emails or formatting documents. It works seemlessly with programming IDES like visual Studio, and Android Studio, just to name a few, and then musicians use it in association with DAWS like Reaper to make music as a hobby or as a profession, and broadcasters benefit from addons developed for Station playlist studio. I use both Jaws and NVDA, and I had to pay almost 2000 Singapore dollars to get my new version of Jaws. And after all that, I had to pay for some scripts by independent Jaws Scripters to make jaws work with some applications. NVDA is open source and free, it's addons are free, and therein lies the difference. How then can a thread about NVDA dying be ever posted is way beyond my understanding. Negative posts like this are rather disturbing because it could put a huge dent into the efforts of all concerned with NVDA's development. And one must not forget the extraneous update routines put out by Microsoft which not only affects NVDA but JFW as well. Pardon this long and rambling email, but I felt that I had to pen my thoughts onto paper, as it were, just to remind ourselves that we do owe these people dedicated to ever improving NVDA a huge debt, and to remind us all that as long as this great effort continues, NVDA will be far from dying a slow death or disappearing into the ether. To me, NVDA is, and always will be a modern miracle. Cheers!
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Re: nvda addon for eurofly, a flight simulator from stefan kiss.
There is a eurofly group on groups.io, search for it, if it is open, or go to his website and join the group thee. I would take this discussion there. Thanks.
On 5 Mar 2019, at 1:48, cisco wrote:
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Re: OT Mozila Thunderbird
Brice Mijares
Tab to the list of folders. If you want to create a folder at the same level as Inbox, Sent etc then arrow up or down to the name of your e-mail account then right clik and find new folder. If you want to create a subfolder for example in the Inbox then right clik at Inbox and find new subfolder.
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On 3/5/2019 4:43 AM, AKH AKH wrote:
Is there a shortcut key press to create a new subfolder in TB? I've
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Re: OT Mozila Thunderbird
On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 09:51 AM, Gene wrote:
Shift f10 does the rough equivalent of a right click and opens a context menu if there is one to open where you are. The menu that opens doesn't always have all the commands that using the context menu key does, which is to the left of the right control on standard desktop keyboards.This is entirely dependent on whether an applications/menu key is actually available on the machine's keyboard or not, which Windows knows about. If it is, and if there is an Extended Context Menu in addition to the Standard Context Menu, then the applications/menu key will bring up the former while SHIFT+F10 will bring up the latter. If there is but a single Standard Context Menu both keys will bring that up. If there is an Extended and Standard Context Menu, but the machine does not have an applications/menu key, then SHIFT+F10 defaults to the Extended Context Menu, as there is no other way to get to it. A true right click, in my experience, brings up the Extended Context Menu if such exists, which is why I recommend that laptop users not disable their mousepads, but instead cover the part that would cause the mouse to move. There are significant advantages to having direct access to a true left click and right click rather than emulated ones. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: NVDA and Zotero
Sally Kiebdaj
Hello, I wil play with it again today but thought I tried that and found no buttons. It may be that I am not successfully focusing the 2nd citation. To others asking about the application, it is useful in academic writing and given the number of students I have seen post to this list I can imagine a guide would be helpful. It would also be nice for those not on the list who get no help from their own colleges and universities but run a search or use NVDA and look for NVDA tutorials related to being a student. Warmly, Sally
On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 8:32 PM enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...> wrote:
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Re: OT Mozila Thunderbird
Gene
Here is a discussion of information pertaining to
the current discussion. it presents some important information many people
don't know or don't know in an organized, detailed manner.
F10 by itself duplicates what the alt command does
in terms of moving focus to the menu bar. Shift f10 does the rough
equivalent of a right click and opens a context menu if there is one to open
where you are. The menu that opens doesn't always have all the commands
that using the context menu key does, which is to the left of the right control
on standard desktop keyboards.
Shift context menu key may open a context menu
with more items than just pressing the context menu key.
It is important to know how to do the equivalent of right
click from the keyboard. At times, you find commands you don't find
elsewhere and often, commands are conveniently placed in one menu that are more
scattered in the full menus. Also, in ribbon programs, the context menu
may offer a faster and more convenient way to get to some commands than using
the ribbon. Gene
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key on a desktop computer. On 3/5/2019 7:55 AM, AKH AKH wrote: > Hi Ron > > > Not sure how I right click, but I found it using F10. > > > Cheers > > > Andrew > > > On 05/03/2019 12:51, Ron Canazzi wrote: >> I don't see a shortcut keystroke, but the operation is fairly simple. >> Highlight the tree view of folders and right click and under the >> context menu there is a new item. Click this and you will be prompted >> for a name and then tab to OK and press enter. >> >> >> On 3/5/2019 7:43 AM, AKH AKH wrote: >>> Is there a shortcut key press to create a new subfolder in TB? I've >>> looked in all the shortcut guides I can find. >>> >>> >>> Andrew >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > > -- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: OT Mozila Thunderbird
Ron Canazzi
You can also hit the key one position to the left of the right control key on a desktop computer.
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On 3/5/2019 7:55 AM, AKH AKH wrote:
Hi Ron --
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: Draft view in Microsoft word.
Karl Smith
What is the purpose of draft view? I have used print view for years and don’t have any problems. I am very curious to know. Thanks.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
I've enabled the, allow opening in draft views setting, but it does not work. I may have to create a Macro for the normal template that will switch it upon opening it. What sucks is I also found a really great view for dyslexic people, and would be great if Microsoft could let users choose the view they want. Oh well. Could a keyboard only Macro on the normal template work? I'm about to completely switch computers soon to a brand new ACER, so is there a way to back that Macro up in dropbox? Jesus, the things I have to do to have a default view upon open! I seriously don't get Microsoft sometimes. Their accessibility support has utterly ballooned but their usability decisions continue to baffle me.
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Re: OT Mozila Thunderbird
AKH AKH
Hi Ron
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Not sure how I right click, but I found it using F10. Cheers Andrew
On 05/03/2019 12:51, Ron Canazzi wrote:
I don't see a shortcut keystroke, but the operation is fairly simple.
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Re: OT Mozila Thunderbird
Ron Canazzi
I don't see a shortcut keystroke, but the operation is fairly simple. Highlight the tree view of folders and right click and under the context menu there is a new item. Click this and you will be prompted for a name and then tab to OK and press enter.
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On 3/5/2019 7:43 AM, AKH AKH wrote:
Is there a shortcut key press to create a new subfolder in TB? I've --
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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OT Mozila Thunderbird
AKH AKH
Is there a shortcut key press to create a new subfolder in TB? I've
looked in all the shortcut guides I can find. Andrew
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Re: Draft view in Microsoft word.
I've enabled the, allow opening in draft views setting, but it does not work. I may have to create a Macro for the normal template that will switch it upon opening it. What sucks is I also found a really great view for dyslexic people, and would be great if Microsoft could let users choose the view they want. Oh well. Could a keyboard only Macro on the normal template work? I'm about to completely switch computers soon to a brand new ACER, so is there a way to back that Macro up in dropbox? Jesus, the things I have to do to have a default view upon open! I seriously don't get Microsoft sometimes. Their accessibility support has utterly ballooned but their usability decisions continue to baffle me.
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Re: Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view
Curtis Delzer
well now, wouldn't it be fun if the air talked to you saying soft things? :)
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I saw the file, downloaded it, but the tutorial on the NEDA site merely mentioned to go to that web site, get it, but I didn't see how to install. I just had the file extension of the folder app open with the executable of t-bird.
On 3/5/2019 1:17 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
No its just sometimes people only retain the gist of a message not the detail.
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Re: Reading subtitles in Netflix with NVDA
cisco
hi. ya, the italian discaibers are often too loud, ifact i don't like audio descriptions.
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On 3/5/2019 7:34 AM, Mallard wrote:
The ones in English are not so invasive, in fact.
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Re: nvda addon for eurofly, a flight simulator from stefan kiss.
cisco
hi. right now the dev is working on eurofly 3 and he don't want
to develope anithing else that that.
On 3/4/2019 8:30 PM, Iván Novegil via
Groups.Io wrote:
Why don’t you contact the developer? I think that should be a native functionality, not a specific NVDA add-on.
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Re: NVDA and Editing Tools, What Works?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I would say that word may be clunky at times, but it shows page breaks and numbers them and can do tables better than Jarte can. It also allows you to set headings etc and do all the formatting once you get used to it.
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Myself, it is horses for courses. If I want a quick and dirty program for a passable result, Jarte is fine, otherwise its Word. I do not consider Libra Office quite there yet with its read all problems and some other issues that stop it being easy to use for us. If anyone has other solutions that work well with NVDA though I'm sure we are all ears. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 10:10 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Editing Tools, What Works? Hi NVDA Group,
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Re: Number pronunciation
Steve Nutt
It’s been a long time coming, we need it. <Smile>.
Thanks Joseph.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 04 March 2019 16:36 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Number pronunciation
Hi, There is an active project to bring you that feature. Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Is there a way to get NVDA to say individual numbers instead of announcing them as words?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Re: Off Topic Kindle windows app
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
A couple of comments. OK its fine to ask people to offer advice off the list, but if its a common issue, then please if you do get an answer just post the final solution here in the thread, and people who are posting here, might wish to take the poster up via email as in the case of his last few queries not enough info was given to do more than make a general suggestion of using focus highlight to tell where a cursor is. Many pieces of software have no cursor after all and all that is left is highlighting the word in focus or marking the focus by some other means.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Off Topic Kindle windows app https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=GPC7U392HH93VPC8 ----- Original Message ----- From: ADRIAN POCOCK To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 10:09 AM Subject: [nvda] Off Topic Kindle windows app Email me off list at ampbeast@live.co.uk I use a mix of nvda and full screen magnification to read mail in thunderbird. Kindle reading app for windows 7. Is there anyway to show you your position of reading as it reads out loud. Regards Adrian Pocock.
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Re: Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
No its just sometimes people only retain the gist of a message not the detail.
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From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 4:03 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 10:35 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote: Please read the tutorial I've already given the link to earlier. The first part is step-by-step instructions for downloading and installing the Quick Folder Key Navigation extension in Thunderbird. There are times when I feel like I'm talking to the air. -- Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.* ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
If you have some sight, does focus highlight help you at all?
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "ADRIAN POCOCK" <ampbeast@live.co.uk> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 5:59 PM Subject: [nvda] Off Topic Thunderbird reading messages view Email me off list at ampbeast@live.co.uk
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