Why not just use the desktop layout since you have a numpad on the computer?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Howard Traxler

Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 9:27 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] LAPTOP VS DESKTOP

If using laptop keyboard on a desktop computer, can one still issue
screen reading commands using the numpad?  It seems like I could do that
in JAWS; but I can't decide if it works here in NVDA.

Thanks, I'm sure glad.  I use the lapktop layout here on my desktop because I can do some stuff without taking my hand off the home row.  I sure do need to learn about the review modes; I can't seem to get them to work.
On 3/8/2019 9:32 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

The simple answer is, "Yes."

Either command set should work regardless of the mode set as the default.  People have discussed "mix and match" here on many occasions when they find the shortcut sequence from "the other layout" easier for a few things they do frequently.

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But what if the person wants to read screen output for other reasons in real time?

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:

But what if the person wants to read screen output for other reasons in real time?

Then they need to learn the commands to do so.   No one has tried to shut down conversation regarding those.

The two needs are not mutually exclusive and most people responding, including myself, were responding based upon the original poster's message which clearly implies, by the presence of the /? switch, that they were trying to review manual pages for various commands.   For that particular task dumping same to a text file for careful poring over is, without doubt, the best way to go.
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

As far as the answer to the question is concerned, what happens when you do use the numpad when using the laptop layout?  I just tried it in my very old version of NVDA and the numpad seems to work in the same way with either layout.  But I still wonder why you want to use the laptop layout with the numpad instead of the desktop layout with the numpad.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Howard Traxler

Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 9:27 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] LAPTOP VS DESKTOP

If using laptop keyboard on a desktop computer, can one still issue
screen reading commands using the numpad?  It seems like I could do that
in JAWS; but I can't decide if it works here in NVDA.

On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:

But what if the person wants to read screen output for other reasons in real time?

Then they need to learn the commands to do so.   No one has tried to shut down conversation regarding those.

The two needs are not mutually exclusive and most people responding, including myself, were responding based upon the original poster's message which clearly implies, by the presence of the /? switch, that they were trying to review manual pages for various commands.   For that particular task dumping same to a text file for careful poring over is, without doubt, the best way to go.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

The simple answer is, "Yes."

Either command set should work regardless of the mode set as the default.  People have discussed "mix and match" here on many occasions when they find the shortcut sequence from "the other layout" easier for a few things they do frequently.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

If using laptop keyboard on a desktop computer, can one still issue screen reading commands using the numpad?  It seems like I could do that in JAWS; but I can't decide if it works here in NVDA.

PS I cannot make his link work for me, but I'm assured it has been fixed in
the next release.
Brian

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And finally.. From Jamie in response to my ticket on nvda bug tracker.

This is fixed for Firefox 66, as both patches got uplifted from 67.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525569https://bugzilla.mozi
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You are receiving this because you authored the thread.

Another problem I have is in the results of a search; should I enter a search in "this PC", the results come out in a list which I can read by down arrow.  The first down arrow tells me the file name and all its details.  When I review the line it only says the name; no details.  Any further results down the list only say the name.  I think I don't know how to read the details again and maybe even spell.  I'm just not quick enough to catch it all the first time.  As I go down the list of (sometimes) very many names, I might find one that I wish to know the location.  Can't figure it out.
On 3/8/2019 4:43 AM, Hendrik Steyn wrote:

Hi Gene


This is also how I do use NVDA's object nav and review modes. I use CMD a lot and it even works on UBUNTU CLI on windows.


Have a blessed day

Hendrik

On 3/8/2019 6:42 AM, Gene wrote:

All this doesn't teach people how to review the screen and if you are going to use the Command prompt to any extent, you need to know how. I hope those who know more about this will write more.
it appears to me that if you are in object navigation mode, you can use the regular review commands, numpad 7, 8, 9, move left by line, read current line and move right by line, to review what is on the screen.  4, 5 and 6 are left one word, current word, right one word. 1, 2, 3, are the same but by character.
If you want to move to the top of the navigator object, use shift 7. To move to the bottom, use shift 9.  In the command prompt, the entire screen is one single navigator object.  So shift 7 moves you to the top of the screen and shift 9 moves you to the bottom.
To move to the beginning of a line, use shift 1.  To move to the end, use shift 3.
I believe these commands work when expected in the DOS prompt but I've only tried them a very few times.  But all these methods of piping output to a file, while useful at times, are really often ways to get around basic knowledge of NVDA, which is useful in many contexts, not just this one.
Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:40 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

and i think there was a cmd to place it on the clipboard but its
slipped my mind.

Adrian, I was typing about redirection and append commands at the same time you wrote your message.  You are correct about the clipboard. You just use the pipe command with the word "clip" after it, e.g.,

                              dir /? | clip

and the output goes straight to the clipboard for pasting elsewhere.

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          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/

Hi

Well the use of redirection to either the clipboard or text file has been a mainstay since the first pc and used by most users of cmd especially those not used of it to learn, the hint was in the original post when they mentioned the use of ? after a command which gives help on that command in terms of all the switches you can use.  You can also type help > txt file to get help on using cmd.  Also you could use a text file convert it to mp3 to learn on the move.

Do not be shackled by one way or another, we are all different after all.

Regards Adrian Pocock

All this doesn't teach people how to review the screen and if you are going to use the Command prompt to any extent, you need to know how.  I hope those who know more about this will write more. 

 

it appears to me that if you are in object navigation mode, you can use the regular review commands, numpad 7, 8, 9, move left by line, read current line and move right by line, to review what is on the screen.  4, 5 and 6 are left one word, current word, right one word.  1, 2, 3, are the same but by character. 

 

If you want to move to the top of the navigator object, use shift 7.  To move to the bottom, use shift 9.  In the command prompt, the entire screen is one single navigator object.  So shift 7 moves you to the top of the screen and shift 9 moves you to the bottom.

 

To move to the beginning of a line, use shift 1.  To move to the end, use shift 3.

 

I believe these commands work when expected in the DOS prompt but I've only tried them a very few times.  But all these methods of piping output to a file, while useful at times, are really often ways to get around basic knowledge of NVDA, which is useful in many contexts, not just this one.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 10:14 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:40 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

and i think there was a cmd to place it on the clipboard but its slipped my mind.

Adrian, I was typing about redirection and append commands at the same time you wrote your message.  You are correct about the clipboard. You just use the pipe command with the word "clip" after it, e.g.,

                              dir /? | clip

and the output goes straight to the clipboard for pasting elsewhere.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

All this doesn't teach people how to review the screen and if you are going to use the Command prompt to any extent, you need to know how.  I hope those who know more about this will write more. 

 

it appears to me that if you are in object navigation mode, you can use the regular review commands, numpad 7, 8, 9, move left by line, read current line and move right by line, to review what is on the screen.  4, 5 and 6 are left one word, current word, right one word.  1, 2, 3, are the same but by character. 

 

If you want to move to the top of the navigator object, use shift 7.  To move to the bottom, use shift 9.  In the command prompt, the entire screen is one single navigator object.  So shift 7 moves you to the top of the screen and shift 9 moves you to the bottom.

 

To move to the beginning of a line, use shift 1.  To move to the end, use shift 3.

 

I believe these commands work when expected in the DOS prompt but I've only tried them a very few times.  But all these methods of piping output to a file, while useful at times, are really often ways to get around basic knowledge of NVDA, which is useful in many contexts, not just this one.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 10:14 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:40 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

and i think there was a cmd to place it on the clipboard but its slipped my mind.

Adrian, I was typing about redirection and append commands at the same time you wrote your message.  You are correct about the clipboard. You just use the pipe command with the word "clip" after it, e.g.,

                              dir /? | clip

and the output goes straight to the clipboard for pasting elsewhere.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Hi Gene

This is also how I do use NVDA's object nav and review modes. I use CMD a lot and it even works on UBUNTU CLI on windows.

Have a blessed day

Hendrik

On 3/8/2019 6:42 AM, Gene wrote:

All this doesn't teach people how to review the screen and if you are going to use the Command prompt to any extent, you need to know how.  I hope those who know more about this will write more. 

 

it appears to me that if you are in object navigation mode, you can use the regular review commands, numpad 7, 8, 9, move left by line, read current line and move right by line, to review what is on the screen.  4, 5 and 6 are left one word, current word, right one word.  1, 2, 3, are the same but by character. 

 

If you want to move to the top of the navigator object, use shift 7.  To move to the bottom, use shift 9.  In the command prompt, the entire screen is one single navigator object.  So shift 7 moves you to the top of the screen and shift 9 moves you to the bottom.

 

To move to the beginning of a line, use shift 1.  To move to the end, use shift 3.

 

I believe these commands work when expected in the DOS prompt but I've only tried them a very few times.  But all these methods of piping output to a file, while useful at times, are really often ways to get around basic knowledge of NVDA, which is useful in many contexts, not just this one.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2019 10:14 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:40 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

and i think there was a cmd to place it on the clipboard but its slipped my mind.

Adrian, I was typing about redirection and append commands at the same time you wrote your message.  You are correct about the clipboard. You just use the pipe command with the word "clip" after it, e.g.,

                              dir /? | clip

and the output goes straight to the clipboard for pasting elsewhere.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

What is an epop file?

A Google search gives me no useful-looking results.

Antony.

On Friday 08 March 2019 at 11:44:10, farhan israk wrote:

How to convert epop file to pdf file?