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Re: LAPTOP VS DESKTOP
Gene
Are you saying you want to learn the review mode
using the Numpad? I'm not sure what you want to do in terms of reviewing
the screen. There are different ways of reviewing.
Do you already know commands such as numpad 7, 8,
and 9? The manual is fine for learning such commands but when you get into
object review, a tutorial may well be more clear and understandable.
there is also screen review, which is similar to
the JAWS cursor and which you can learn easily. object review isn't as
intuitive. If you want to start with screen review and the simple review
commands such as numpad 7, 8, and 9, let us know. If you want to learn
object review, list members can suggest resources.
Gene
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Thanks, I'm sure glad. I use the lapktop layout here on my desktop because I can do some stuff without taking my hand off the home row. I sure do need to learn about the review modes; I can't seem to get them to work. On 3/8/2019 9:32 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The simple answer is, "Yes."
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Re: Reviewing the screen, help
Gene,
Let me make this clear: no one has attempted, even once, to shut down any conversation regarding the screen reader commands for reviewing a command prompt screen. It is only you that seems to have this impression. If you, or anyone else, wants to discuss them, have at it. Please desist from criticizing those who decided to address what they saw as "the core question" in a way that you do not prefer. You're perfectly free to discuss it as you prefer, and would better spend your time doing so rather than doing what you're doing. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: LAPTOP VS DESKTOP
As already stated by most of us who do this it is much easier to keep our hands in one place. I hate waisting 2 seconds which can by the end of the day lead p to minutes with moving my hand from where it is to the num pad. So for me I use the laptop layout on all desktop keyboards.
On 8 Mar 2019, at 7:37, Gene wrote:
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Re: LAPTOP VS DESKTOP
Tyler Spivey
You can use most desktop commands when set to the laptop layout, but not the other way around.
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However, whatever commands you don't like you can customize easily. For example, I have a layout optimized for terminal navigation based around the home row.
On 3/8/2019 7:42 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Thanks, I'm sure glad. I use the lapktop layout here on my desktop because I can do some stuff without taking my hand off the home row. I sure do need to learn about the review modes; I can't seem to get them to work.
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Re: Reviewing the screen, help
Gene
I'm not disagreeing with that. but I think
there are times when it’s a good idea to discuss something beyond the literal
answer to the question. Review commands are a basic and important part of
NVDA and I think its important to discuss them at such times because they are
basic and important. The person may choose to learn them or not at this
time. Other people may find the discussion useful as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help But what if the person wants to read screen output for other reasons in real time?Then they need to learn the commands to do so. No one has tried to shut down conversation regarding those. The two needs are not mutually exclusive and most people responding, including myself, were responding based upon the original poster's message which clearly implies, by the presence of the /? switch, that they were trying to review manual pages for various commands. For that particular task dumping same to a text file for careful poring over is, without doubt, the best way to go. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Reviewing the screen, help
Howard Traxler <howard@...>
Thank you folks for this discussion. I can figure out how to dump my command output to a file (did that lots thirty years ago in the DOS days); But now I think I just have to learn about object and screen review modes. Thnaks.
On 3/8/2019 9:37 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: LAPTOP VS DESKTOP
Howard Traxler <howard@...>
just like to keep my hands on the home tow as much as possible .
On 3/8/2019 9:40 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: Reviewing the screen, help
Exactly. So no need to bring the regular context of screen reviewing here. Just the way to do it in the terminal which is the way I've done it for years, and frankly it's just easier. I can pipe my windows update stuff out to a text file and look later. No need to do with the object stuff when I don't need to.
On 8 Mar 2019, at 7:37, Brian Vogel wrote:
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Re: LAPTOP VS DESKTOP
Gene
But some, perhaps many, desktop layout commands
don't. For example, the desktop read to end command doesn't work in the
laptop layout.
Gene
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layout. On 3/8/2019 10:27 AM, Howard Traxler wrote: > If using laptop keyboard on a desktop computer, can one still issue > screen reading commands using the numpad? It seems like I could do > that in JAWS; but I can't decide if it works here in NVDA. > > > > >
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Re: LAPTOP VS DESKTOP
Howard Traxler <howard@...>
Thanks, I'm sure glad. I use the lapktop layout here on my desktop because I can do some stuff without taking my hand off the home row. I sure do need to learn about the review modes; I can't seem to get them to work.
On 3/8/2019 9:32 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The simple answer is, "Yes."
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Re: LAPTOP VS DESKTOP
Gene
As far as the answer to the question is concerned,
what happens when you do use the numpad when using the laptop layout? I
just tried it in my very old version of NVDA and the numpad seems to work in the
same way with either layout. But I still wonder why you want to use the
laptop layout with the numpad instead of the desktop layout with the
numpad.
Gene
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screen reading commands using the numpad? It seems like I could do that in JAWS; but I can't decide if it works here in NVDA.
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Re: Reviewing the screen, help
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM, Gene wrote:
But what if the person wants to read screen output for other reasons in real time?Then they need to learn the commands to do so. No one has tried to shut down conversation regarding those. The two needs are not mutually exclusive and most people responding, including myself, were responding based upon the original poster's message which clearly implies, by the presence of the /? switch, that they were trying to review manual pages for various commands. For that particular task dumping same to a text file for careful poring over is, without doubt, the best way to go. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: LAPTOP VS DESKTOP
Gene
Why not just use the desktop layout since you have
a numpad on the computer?
Gene
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screen reading commands using the numpad? It seems like I could do that in JAWS; but I can't decide if it works here in NVDA.
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Re: LAPTOP VS DESKTOP
Mohamed
Yes, numpad and other desktop layout commands still work in the laptop layout.
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On 3/8/2019 10:27 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
If using laptop keyboard on a desktop computer, can one still issue screen reading commands using the numpad? It seems like I could do that in JAWS; but I can't decide if it works here in NVDA.
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Re: LAPTOP VS DESKTOP
The simple answer is, "Yes."
Either command set should work regardless of the mode set as the default. People have discussed "mix and match" here on many occasions when they find the shortcut sequence from "the other layout" easier for a few things they do frequently. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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LAPTOP VS DESKTOP
Howard Traxler <howard@...>
If using laptop keyboard on a desktop computer, can one still issue screen reading commands using the numpad? It seems like I could do that in JAWS; but I can't decide if it works here in NVDA.
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Re: Firefox and Extensions' section
Brian's Mail list account
Yes, but it was not i, who dun it guv!
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Brian bglists@... Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and Extensions' section It looks like two links have been joined together to me. Try https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525569 and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1525937 separately. Antony. On Friday 08 March 2019 at 11:21:02, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote: PS I cannot make his link work for me, but I'm assured it has been fixed in-- The truth is rarely pure, and never simple. - Oscar Wilde Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Reviewing the screen, help
Rui Fontes
1 - Insert+2;
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2 - Insert+6 untill you get the field you want... All keys are from NumPad. Rui Fontes Às 14:30 de 08/03/2019, Howard Traxler escreveu:
Another problem I have is in the results of a search; should I enter a search in "this PC", the results come out in a list which I can read by down arrow. The first down arrow tells me the file name and all its details. When I review the line it only says the name; no details. Any further results down the list only say the name. I think I don't know how to read the details again and maybe even spell. I'm just not quick enough to catch it all the first time. As I go down the list of (sometimes) very many names, I might find one that I wish to know the location. Can't figure it out.
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Re: Reviewing the screen, help
Gene
But what if the person wants to read screen output
for other reasons in real time? In addition, what I am discussing is basic
NVDA knowledge, how to review the screen. It may have uses for the person
outside of the DOS prompt. It is one of the early sections in the NVDA
manual.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: ADRIAN POCOCK
Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help Hi Well the use of redirection to either the clipboard or text file has been a mainstay since the first pc and used by most users of cmd especially those not used of it to learn, the hint was in the original post when they mentioned the use of ? after a command which gives help on that command in terms of all the switches you can use. You can also type help > txt file to get help on using cmd. Also you could use a text file convert it to mp3 to learn on the move. Do not be shackled by one way or another, we are all different after all. Regards Adrian Pocock On 08/03/2019 04:42, Gene wrote:
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Re: Reviewing the screen, help
ADRIAN POCOCK
Hi Well the use of redirection to either the clipboard or text file has been a mainstay since the first pc and used by most users of cmd especially those not used of it to learn, the hint was in the original post when they mentioned the use of ? after a command which gives help on that command in terms of all the switches you can use. You can also type help > txt file to get help on using cmd. Also you could use a text file convert it to mp3 to learn on the move. Do not be shackled by one way or another, we are all different after all. Regards Adrian Pocock
On 08/03/2019 04:42, Gene wrote:
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