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Re: Latex with NVDA

 

The discussion of LaTeX seems to be taking off in the Chat subgroup.  The topic is:  
  LaTeX Document Preparation/Typesetting System
and you can click through to review what's happened so far in the group archive for the chat subgroup.
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Re: what is bouncing nvda group

 

Your email service provider is what bounces Groups.io e-mail messages, and if using the "unbounce request" doesn't resolve it, then you need to contact your email service provider and ask them to whitelist any domain that ends in groups.io.

I recently posted about issues with Earthlink blocking Groups.io messages as spam.

If customers complain, and make it clear that Groups.io is a subscription e-mail list service, these issues with blocking/bouncing are likely to get resolved both more rapidly and more permanently.
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

 

Gene,

           Beautiful description of the general case when it comes to lists.  I often tell my students that when they land in a list and on the first item that they cannot and should not assume it's selected.  A quick down then up arrow ensures that it is.

            As you said, CTRL plus up or down arrow allows list traversal without selection occurring, which is precisely why individual conversations do not open when you're running through the list.  The default behavior with Outlook is the moment a conversation is selected it will be auto-expanded (which can be turned off, but it's not by default).

            If you know you've landed on a conversation that you wish to review the messages contained within, then select and expand it and use regular up/down arrow as you go through it.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


what is bouncing nvda group

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

hi

When I went online to nvda group it says my account is bouncing, what is this.  I clicked button to unbounce, but it still gives me the message.

Regards Adrian.


Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

Gene
 

When you move in a list with control and a movement key, you are not changing what is selected.  If you have the first message in the list selected, it remains selected.  that's true in any standard list, of files, for example,  When I move through a list of files, at times, I keep control pressed because I can get speech feedback much more quickly as I move through the list.  When I get to the file I want to open, I release control, then up and down arrow to return to the file I want to open.  With control no longer held, the file that is now selected is the one I have just moved to and pressing enter opens it.  You can try the same thing with e-mails. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2019 11:48 AM
Subject: [nvda] Threaded emails view in Outlook

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian
Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using
Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed
I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down
a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose
that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on
it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one
that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two
types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how
to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two
cursors?

I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with
Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again,
because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down
doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other
suggestions?

Thanks
Tony





Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think I've had to so that too.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Threaded emails view in Outlook

While we're at it, I press enter on an email in Outlook, and it doesn't immediately open. I have to press enter twice.




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Threaded emails view in Outlook

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using
Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two cursors?

I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with
Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again,
because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks
Tony


Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

 

While we're at it, I press enter on an email in Outlook, and it doesn't immediately open. I have to press enter twice.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Threaded emails view in Outlook

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using
Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two cursors?

I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with
Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again,
because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks
Tony


Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

Rui Fontes
 

Have you tried to press spacebar to select the message?

Rui Fontes


Às 17:48 de 09/03/2019, Tony Malykh escreveu:

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two cursors?
I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again, because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other suggestions?
Thanks
Tony


Threaded emails view in Outlook

Tony Malykh
 

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two cursors?

I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again, because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks
Tony


Zoomtext and nvda

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

Hi all

Does anybody have experience with Zoomtext 11.

From promo video it mentioned the control key being caps lock, same as nvda.

Would this conflict with nvda.  I would like to know before spending a lot of money on it.

It might be better to respond off list here ampbeast@...

Regards Adrian


Re: Converting epub to pdf

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Just for reference, an epub file is just a normal zip file with html files inside.  All you need to do to read it is unzip it into the directory of your choice, then locate the html files inside the directory structure, and simply open them with your browser. In my personal opinion, that's way easier than the shoddy support that pdf files have on the pc.

Of course, this won't work with DRM protected epubs, but otherwise, it works like a charm, and this is the way I read all of my epub books.

Mostly because I haven't found a decent epub reader, but even if I did, I'd probably keep using this format anyhow, just because it's what I'm used to.

On 3/8/2019 9:15 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

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Re: Latex with NVDA

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Thanks. I hadn't thought of joining the chat subgroup, but maybe I will, if need be.

Il 09/03/2019 17:03, Sarah k Alawami ha scritto:

Yes it is. And you can learn ore about it at the chat sub group. I think the mod of that group posted a link to some materials in the archive there. I have to look again.

Take care

On 9 Mar 2019, at 2:21, Mallard wrote:

Hello all,


I would like to start learning Latex, and Ihave a couple of questions.


1. Is it usable with NVDA?


2. Can anyone recommend a good manual for learning from scratch?


Thanks in advance, ciao,

Ollie



Re: NVDA questions

Claire Potter <claire.potter99@...>
 

Hi Teri, I can't answer your first question unfortunately, but for your second one, the answer is yes. You can run Eloquence on NVDA portable, just make sure that when you're making the portable copy you check the box to copy user configurations, that's what I do and it works for me.

Claire Potter
Potter's place, where technology comes to life!
www.pottersplace.me.uk
NVDA Certified Expert 2019. 


On 9 Mar 2019, at 06:13, Teri McElroy <shimzin.lists@...> wrote:

Hi

I've just joined the list and am hoping someone can help with a couple of questions.

Later this year I'm studying a course where I need to be able to read phonetic/phonemic symbols.

Does anyone know if it is possible to alter NVDA in the same way as I have been able to do for Jaws? I want to be able to have NVDA speak back phonetic/phonemic symbols to me and name them correctly. This is specific to linguistic studies, and does not refer to the words such as "charley" or "delta" NVDA uses to clarify which letter is being announced.

It would also be helpful if I could have NVDA display these symbols in braille with my braille display.

I have a list of unicode symbols and what they mean. Is there a way I can  add the list of symbols to my selected speech engine so NVDA will announce the symbols correctly, and to the braille tables as well?

Also, if I run NVDA portable, can I still use Eloquence as my prefered speech engine?

Part of the course has a teaching component and I need to use the computer in the classroom at Tech. It would make things much easier if I could use portable NVDA on a thumb drive with Eloquence.

Thanks for any help with this.


Teri





Re: Latex with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes it is. And you can learn ore about it at the chat sub group. I think the mod of that group posted a link to some materials in the archive there. I have to look again.

Take care

On 9 Mar 2019, at 2:21, Mallard wrote:

Hello all,


I would like to start learning Latex, and Ihave a couple of questions.


1. Is it usable with NVDA?


2. Can anyone recommend a good manual for learning from scratch?


Thanks in advance, ciao,

Ollie



Re: Ad blocker for NVDA and Firefox?

 

One word of caution on using Golden Cursor for web browser add-on control buttons:  you have to remember that their positions will shift if you add or remove add-ons.

Since I do this very, very infrequently (at least for add-ons that add control buttons to the browser's bar) things tend to stay in the same place for very long periods of time.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Ad blocker for NVDA and Firefox?

 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 03:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
What is needed is an ad blocker with a hot key toggle that can be disabled and re enabled at will, including the refresh required to get that page back.
Then you would be well advised to contact the developer of your favorite ad-blocker asking for same.  Over the years that's how a number of features came to be.

As a side note to JM, it is appropriate to describe the on/off button for uBlock Origin as looking like a power button, because it does.  He uses a huge version of the graphic (relatively speaking) for the button to toggle uBlock Origin off.  Clicked on it alone you get uBlock Origin disabled for the site itself that you're visiting.  If you CTRL+click it then it's disabled only for the page you're viewing.  Disabling uBlock Origin for a specific site or page "sticks" unless you reenable it.  It will still be disabled on later visits unless it's reenabled.

For those using NVDA and Firefox, if you have frequent need to toggle uBlock Origin off and on it's an almost perfect function to use Golden Cursor for, as you can get yourself to the button positions "instantly" rather than having to use object navigation repeatedly to find them.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


NVDA questions

Teri McElroy <shimzin.lists@...>
 

Hi

I've just joined the list and am hoping someone can help with a couple of questions.

Later this year I'm studying a course where I need to be able to read phonetic/phonemic symbols.

Does anyone know if it is possible to alter NVDA in the same way as I have been able to do for Jaws? I want to be able to have NVDA speak back phonetic/phonemic symbols to me and name them correctly. This is specific to linguistic studies, and does not refer to the words such as "charley" or "delta" NVDA uses to clarify which letter is being announced.

It would also be helpful if I could have NVDA display these symbols in braille with my braille display.

I have a list of unicode symbols and what they mean. Is there a way I can  add the list of symbols to my selected speech engine so NVDA will announce the symbols correctly, and to the braille tables as well?

Also, if I run NVDA portable, can I still use Eloquence as my prefered speech engine?

Part of the course has a teaching component and I need to use the computer in the classroom at Tech. It would make things much easier if I could use portable NVDA on a thumb drive with Eloquence.

Thanks for any help with this.


Teri


Re: Latex with NVDA

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Thanks. I should make it, also with a little help from my son, although he's in England now...

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 09/03/2019 15:11, Jason White via Groups.Io ha scritto:
Try reading http://latex.silmaril.ie/formattinginformation/index.html
As a starting point. I also wrote my Ph.D. thesis using LaTeX, and I've written other documents with it before and since then.

On 3/9/19, 05:21, "Mallard" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of mallard@...> wrote:

Hello all,


I would like to start learning Latex, and Ihave a couple of questions.


1. Is it usable with NVDA?


2. Can anyone recommend a good manual for learning from scratch?


Thanks in advance, ciao,

Ollie










Re: Latex with NVDA

Jason White
 

Try reading http://latex.silmaril.ie/formattinginformation/index.html
As a starting point. I also wrote my Ph.D. thesis using LaTeX, and I've written other documents with it before and since then.

On 3/9/19, 05:21, "Mallard" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of mallard@...> wrote:

Hello all,


I would like to start learning Latex, and Ihave a couple of questions.


1. Is it usable with NVDA?


2. Can anyone recommend a good manual for learning from scratch?


Thanks in advance, ciao,

Ollie


Re: nvda on and off short cut.

DAVID <davidlacaille2@...>
 

Hi someone told me what to do on the list so thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, 09 March 2019 09:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda on and off short cut.

 

What do you mean by turn on and off.  Do you mean stop and start speech while the program continues to run?  Do you mean put the program to sleep so it isn't running while you are using a specific application or do you mean unload NVDA and then run it again when you want to run the program?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

 

From: DAVID

Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2019 5:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] nvda on and off short cut.

 

Hi all.

Can someone tell me what is the shortcut to turn on and off nvda from the computer?

 

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