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Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

Tony Malykh
 

This is exactly what I was looking for, it works! Thanks for the tip!

On 3/9/2019 10:13 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Have you tried to press spacebar to select the message?

Rui Fontes


Às 17:48 de 09/03/2019, Tony Malykh escreveu:
Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two cursors?

I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again, because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks
Tony






Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

Tony Malykh
 

Brian,

I have View ribbon > show messages as conversations > Conversation Settings > Always expand selected conversation unchecked, yet Outlook still keeps autoexpanding conversations. Am I doing something wrong? As a result Up arrow / Down arrow trick doesn't work for me.


On 3/9/2019 11:21 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene,

           Beautiful description of the general case when it comes to lists.  I often tell my students that when they land in a list and on the first item that they cannot and should not assume it's selected.  A quick down then up arrow ensures that it is.

            As you said, CTRL plus up or down arrow allows list traversal without selection occurring, which is precisely why individual conversations do not open when you're running through the list.  The default behavior with Outlook is the moment a conversation is selected it will be auto-expanded (which can be turned off, but it's not by default).

            If you know you've landed on a conversation that you wish to review the messages contained within, then select and expand it and use regular up/down arrow as you go through it.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

Jason White
 

You can turn off the auto-expansion of threads in the mail options of Outlook.

I find threaded view easier to use in Outlook for Mac. I know that doesn't help NVDA users though, but in case any of you have a Mac and an Office 365 subscription, it's worth trying.

On 3/9/19, 12:48, "Tony Malykh" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of anton.malykh@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian
Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using
Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed
I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down
a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose
that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on
it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one
that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two
types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how
to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two
cursors?

I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with
Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again,
because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down
doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other
suggestions?

Thanks
Tony


Re: Accessible Lightweight PDF Viewers

Jason White
 

I've experienced good results from the PDF viewer included in Google Chrome (both under Windows and Mac). I haven't run Adobe Reader for quite a while now, as Chrome tends to give as good, if not better, presentation of many of the PDF files that I read. The rest are images that require OCR in any case.

On 3/7/19, 15:27, "Bhavya shah" <nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all,

I currently have a 144 mb file that is one of my Physics textbooks.
From the file size, it is easy to infer the massiveness of this
document. Hence, opening it in Adobe Acrobat DC is not always
practical as it takes an infeasible amount of time to load all pages.
Hence, I am in need of some alternate accessible PDF viewing solution
which is relatively lightweight and is likely to be substantially
quicker in loading a large PDF for viewership.

Alternatively, another approach towards addressing my needs that I can
think of is to split this huge PDF into a bunch of different PDFs
which individually are smaller files and thus likely to be faster to
open. In case you are aware of some tool to split a large PDF file
into a few smaller ones, I would appreciate if you could share those
as well.

I am open to using both of the above approaches simultaneously for
maximally mitigating the current problem as well, if need be.

Thanks.

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Re: Ad blocker for NVDA and Firefox?

Ian Blackburn
 

Sounds like a good idea however the malicious software could then click the shortcut key and turn off your ad blocker and put the advertisement in the webpage


On 10 Mar 2019, at 4:31 am, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

Brian, that makes sense; I thought it must be something like that, I was just leary of using the term “power button” without any sort of context for what that meant.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 9, 2019 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ad blocker for NVDA and Firefox?

 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 03:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

What is needed is an ad blocker with a hot key toggle that can be disabled and re enabled at will, including the refresh required to get that page back.

Then you would be well advised to contact the developer of your favorite ad-blocker asking for same.  Over the years that's how a number of features came to be.

As a side note to JM, it is appropriate to describe the on/off button for uBlock Origin as looking like a power button, because it does.  He uses a huge version of the graphic (relatively speaking) for the button to toggle uBlock Origin off.  Clicked on it alone you get uBlock Origin disabled for the site itself that you're visiting.  If you CTRL+click it then it's disabled only for the page you're viewing.  Disabling uBlock Origin for a specific site or page "sticks" unless you reenable it.  It will still be disabled on later visits unless it's reenabled.

For those using NVDA and Firefox, if you have frequent need to toggle uBlock Origin off and on it's an almost perfect function to use Golden Cursor for, as you can get yourself to the button positions "instantly" rather than having to use object navigation repeatedly to find them.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Accessible Lightweight PDF Viewers

 

Bhavya,

          I'll try to cover both bases.

          The first is a utility for splitting or merging PDF files.  I absolutely love PDF Split and Merge, more commonly called PDF Sam, which is free and open source.  I have used the Basic version for both purposes.  I cannot speak to how accessible it is, but even if it were 100% accessible if you can get a sighted assistant to find the actual PDF pages where your chapters would need to be split out and to enter those quickly it will save you a lot of time.

           I have also repeatedly posted about Tracker Software's PDF-XChange Viewer, which, while not 100% accessible (or even close, really), it has top notch OCR capabilities that are accessible in multiple languages and where, after OCRing the PDF file, you can just save the text layer integrated with the PDF itself, so it can be opened in Adobe Reader or the reader of your choice and never need to be OCRed again.  Even though they list this as discontinued, it is only further product enhancement that has been discontinued.  They have been issuing other types of updates since it was designated as discontinued.  What follows are the instructions I wrote up for a couple of my students who were graduate students who seemed to constantly be getting old and arcane material that had been image scanned to PDF long before the age of OCR upon scan became common.   I have also used the language packs that are available for PDF-XChange Viewer with a private client who is a translator, and she has told me that the Swedish OCR capability is every bit as good as the English has been for me.

Dealing with Image Scanned PDF Files

Using PDF XChange Viewer to perform OCR on any PDF you receive that is an image PDF, step-by-step:

1.     Open PDF XChange Viewer from your start menu.

2.     Hit ALT+F,O to bring up the file open browsing dialog.

3.     Hit ALT+I to jump directly to the Look In combo box

4.     Hit down arrow to get into the area that’s somewhat, but not exactly, like the tree view in Windows Explorer.

5.     Hit L until you hear, “Libraries,” announced.

6.     Hit TAB two times, you should hear, “Documents”.

7.     Hit SPACEBAR to select the Documents library.

8.     Hit ENTER to open the documents library.

9.     Hit the first character of the folder or file name you’re trying to perform OCR on. Keep doing this with the first character until you hear its name announced.

10.                        Hit Enter to open the file or folder.  If you’re dealing with a file at this step go straight to step 11.  Otherwise, do the following

a.     If you know the file is in this folder then use the “hit the first character” technique to locate it and jump to step 11 once you have.

b.     If you need to drill down another folder level go back to step 9.

11.                        Hit ALT+O to open the file in PDF XChange Viewer.

12.                        Hit CTRL+SHIFT+C to open the OCR dialog box.  Immediately hit ENTER to initiate the OCR processing.  The length of time this takes depends on the size of the file being processed.  JAWS does not read the processing status box, but will announce the file’s name with star after it when the processing completes.  That’s how you’ll know it’s done.

13.                        Hit ALT+F,S to save the file and its OCR text into the original file itself.

14.                        Hit ALT+F4 to close PDF XChange Viewer.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Accessible Lightweight PDF Viewers

 

I'd suggest the webbie PDF reader because it has OCR built in, but you could also upload it to Google Docs and have Google OCR it for you, if needed, You can then publish the text as a web page, download it in basically any format you wish.


Re: RCFV software beta

 

This looks great! But I have no intention of trying it out on this new machine. I think I'm becoming more minimalist, but my desire to test new software has evaporated these past few years. Maybe that will change when I get some of these writing deadlines done.


Re: Ad blocker for NVDA and Firefox?

JM Casey
 

Brian, that makes sense; I thought it must be something like that, I was just leary of using the term “power button” without any sort of context for what that meant.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: March 9, 2019 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ad blocker for NVDA and Firefox?

 

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 03:41 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

What is needed is an ad blocker with a hot key toggle that can be disabled and re enabled at will, including the refresh required to get that page back.

Then you would be well advised to contact the developer of your favorite ad-blocker asking for same.  Over the years that's how a number of features came to be.

As a side note to JM, it is appropriate to describe the on/off button for uBlock Origin as looking like a power button, because it does.  He uses a huge version of the graphic (relatively speaking) for the button to toggle uBlock Origin off.  Clicked on it alone you get uBlock Origin disabled for the site itself that you're visiting.  If you CTRL+click it then it's disabled only for the page you're viewing.  Disabling uBlock Origin for a specific site or page "sticks" unless you reenable it.  It will still be disabled on later visits unless it's reenabled.

For those using NVDA and Firefox, if you have frequent need to toggle uBlock Origin off and on it's an almost perfect function to use Golden Cursor for, as you can get yourself to the button positions "instantly" rather than having to use object navigation repeatedly to find them.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Firefox control buttons+Re: [nvda] Ad blocker for NVDA and Firefox?

JM Casey
 

Hi.

I will give this a try. My NVDA instalation appears to be broken at the moment, but once I fix that..*grins*

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: March 8, 2019 9:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Firefox control buttons+Re: [nvda] Ad blocker for NVDA and Firefox?

 

Here's what I do:

1. When focussed on the address bar, press nvda+up arrow on the numpad to move up an element.

2. Press nvda+numpad right arrow to move through the buttons that the installed extentions have placed.

3. When I find what I want, I press nvda+numpad enter to activate it.

Hope this answers what you asked. I haven't found any other way that works.

Travis

On 3/8/2019 6:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Another vote for uBlock Origin.

That being said, does anyone here know how to get to the various control buttons that are physically located to the right of the address bar, e.g., the Firefox menu button plus all of the buttons that get put there as you add add-ons?   I could swear that I once posted the technique to get to these, but I can find nothing in my own notes.  It has to be possible to navigate to these somehow, but it's not nearly as easy as it is under Chrome.

When I take the mouse over these controls, NVDA definitely announces them, but what I cannot seem to do is find the magic technique to actually throw focus on to any of them.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: what is bouncing nvda group

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

Hi Thank you for your help.

I have added nvda to safe senders list so hope that does it.

Regards Adrian.

On 09/03/2019 19:52, Gene wrote:
I wonder if the problem is more complicated or perhaps I should say, more difficult to resolve.  Some messages must be getting to the list and from the list because the person has been participating in threads.  So I wonder if there is a technical difficulty that will be difficult to figure out.  Perhaps the problem will resolve itself over time. 
 
Of course, there is no reason not to contact the provider but I wonder if it would be better to get a GMail Account and use it for Groups.io mail.  Off and on, a message from a list ends up in spam but not often and I haven't had a bouncing problem since I started using GMail for Groups.io mail many months ago.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2019 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what is bouncing nvda group

Your email service provider is what bounces Groups.io e-mail messages, and if using the "unbounce request" doesn't resolve it, then you need to contact your email service provider and ask them to whitelist any domain that ends in groups.io.

I recently posted about issues with Earthlink blocking Groups.io messages as spam.

If customers complain, and make it clear that Groups.io is a subscription e-mail list service, these issues with blocking/bouncing are likely to get resolved both more rapidly and more permanently.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Converting epub to pdf

Mallard
 

Hello Travis,


Given that this is an excellent solution, if someone doesn't want to go down that road, I think the best way to read epubs right now is with Edge.


At the top of the page you have two buttons, for Previous page and Next page.


When you finish one page, all you haveto do is to press Shift+B and click on Next page.


If the epub is an original, not converted from other formats, Edge maintains all its links, and ou can navigate it very easili.


Actually, I've had books that maintained their links even when converted from other formats. I don't know what makes Edge decide which ones to keep and which ones to drop...


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 09/03/2019 18:15, Travis Siegel ha scritto:
Just for reference, an epub file is just a normal zip file with html files inside.  All you need to do to read it is unzip it into the directory of your choice, then locate the html files inside the directory structure, and simply open them with your browser. In my personal opinion, that's way easier than the shoddy support that pdf files have on the pc.

Of course, this won't work with DRM protected epubs, but otherwise, it works like a charm, and this is the way I read all of my epub books.

Mostly because I haven't found a decent epub reader, but even if I did, I'd probably keep using this format anyhow, just because it's what I'm used to.

On 3/8/2019 9:15 AM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

[Edited Message Fol




Re: Latex with NVDA

Mallard
 

Thanks Brian. Much appreciated and very useful.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 09/03/2019 20:40, Brian Vogel ha scritto:
The discussion of LaTeX seems to be taking off in the Chat subgroup.  The topic is:
LaTeX Document Preparation/Typesetting System <https://nvda.groups.io/g/chat/topic/latex_document/30290029?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,0,30290029>

and you can click through to review what's happened so far in the group archive for the chat subgroup.
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*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep./*

          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


Re: what is bouncing nvda group

Gene
 

I wonder if the problem is more complicated or perhaps I should say, more difficult to resolve.  Some messages must be getting to the list and from the list because the person has been participating in threads.  So I wonder if there is a technical difficulty that will be difficult to figure out.  Perhaps the problem will resolve itself over time. 
 
Of course, there is no reason not to contact the provider but I wonder if it would be better to get a GMail Account and use it for Groups.io mail.  Off and on, a message from a list ends up in spam but not often and I haven't had a bouncing problem since I started using GMail for Groups.io mail many months ago.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2019 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] what is bouncing nvda group

Your email service provider is what bounces Groups.io e-mail messages, and if using the "unbounce request" doesn't resolve it, then you need to contact your email service provider and ask them to whitelist any domain that ends in groups.io.

I recently posted about issues with Earthlink blocking Groups.io messages as spam.

If customers complain, and make it clear that Groups.io is a subscription e-mail list service, these issues with blocking/bouncing are likely to get resolved both more rapidly and more permanently.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Latex with NVDA

 

The discussion of LaTeX seems to be taking off in the Chat subgroup.  The topic is:  
  LaTeX Document Preparation/Typesetting System
and you can click through to review what's happened so far in the group archive for the chat subgroup.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: what is bouncing nvda group

 

Your email service provider is what bounces Groups.io e-mail messages, and if using the "unbounce request" doesn't resolve it, then you need to contact your email service provider and ask them to whitelist any domain that ends in groups.io.

I recently posted about issues with Earthlink blocking Groups.io messages as spam.

If customers complain, and make it clear that Groups.io is a subscription e-mail list service, these issues with blocking/bouncing are likely to get resolved both more rapidly and more permanently.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

 

Gene,

           Beautiful description of the general case when it comes to lists.  I often tell my students that when they land in a list and on the first item that they cannot and should not assume it's selected.  A quick down then up arrow ensures that it is.

            As you said, CTRL plus up or down arrow allows list traversal without selection occurring, which is precisely why individual conversations do not open when you're running through the list.  The default behavior with Outlook is the moment a conversation is selected it will be auto-expanded (which can be turned off, but it's not by default).

            If you know you've landed on a conversation that you wish to review the messages contained within, then select and expand it and use regular up/down arrow as you go through it.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


what is bouncing nvda group

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

hi

When I went online to nvda group it says my account is bouncing, what is this.  I clicked button to unbounce, but it still gives me the message.

Regards Adrian.


Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

Gene
 

When you move in a list with control and a movement key, you are not changing what is selected.  If you have the first message in the list selected, it remains selected.  that's true in any standard list, of files, for example,  When I move through a list of files, at times, I keep control pressed because I can get speech feedback much more quickly as I move through the list.  When I get to the file I want to open, I release control, then up and down arrow to return to the file I want to open.  With control no longer held, the file that is now selected is the one I have just moved to and pressing enter opens it.  You can try the same thing with e-mails. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2019 11:48 AM
Subject: [nvda] Threaded emails view in Outlook

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian
Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using
Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed
I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down
a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose
that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on
it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one
that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two
types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how
to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two
cursors?

I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with
Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again,
because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down
doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other
suggestions?

Thanks
Tony





Re: Threaded emails view in Outlook

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think I've had to so that too.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor staten
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Threaded emails view in Outlook

While we're at it, I press enter on an email in Outlook, and it doesn't immediately open. I have to press enter twice.




-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2019 12:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Threaded emails view in Outlook

Hello all and especially Brian Vogel,
I was trying to use Outlook with Threaded list of emails view. Brian Vogel gave me advice that I should navigate through this list using
Control+Up and Down arrows to prevent the threads from autoexpanding.
That works at first glance, but here is the problem I ran into. Supposed I am initially at the very first email in the list. I press Control+Down a few times until I find the right email that I want to open. Suppose that's just a single email, not a thread. However, when I press Enter on it, Outlook would open the very first email in the list, not the one that I selected using Control+Down arrow. It feels like there are two types of cursors there and Control+Down is moving the wrong type. So how to open the right email? Is there perhaps a keystroke to sync these two cursors?

I was trying to do it naive way - Once I'm on the right email with
Control+Down, I would try to press up and then down, but then again,
because the threads are autoexpanding on me, pressing up and then down doesn't necessarily bring you to the same email. Do you have any other suggestions?

Thanks
Tony