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Re: using win 7 after january 2020

 

i use windows xp and love it very much, except some of its limitations.
but i dont trust any antivirus programs and never use them!

On 3/11/19, Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
I think the lack of updates after 2020 are probably the least of your
worries if you are currently not using any type of antivirus program


From: Monte Single
Sent: 11 March 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.
I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;
---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,
---an accessible antivirus and malware program.
What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?
Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?
Thanks,
Monte






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Re: using win 7 after january 2020

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I don't know, but with the xp experience in the main MSSE still works on Intel machines there, and I suspect they will continue for a while.
The real end of XP was governed by third party software dropping support for it, but it still carries on working with the old stuff, and I've never had any problems with viruses, just very slow web sites in the main and often the inability of older browsers to access some sites. I suspect much the same will apply to Windows 7. Whether Microsoft will stop the old hack to get additional updates is debatable, but be wary of such things.
I do not know the NVDA policy on this. But I imagine there will be a heck of a lot of windows 7 users just like there was xp users for a couple of years so unless there is a compelling reason not to support it, I think it will work for a while yet, and in any case if you keep with the same nvda version then it will work as it always did.

To be honest the main reason not to use 10 is the new OS every 6 months issue. WE get used to things being as we learn them and often the updates change stuff all the time and can be a bit of an effort for those who use third party software.
Otherwise I'd be on Windows 10.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020


Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte





Re: wish.com

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I've never used it, but with a risk of stating the obvious, has anyone ever contacted the site to find out why they cannot make at least an accessible version?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wish.com


I wish, wish.com was more accessible.
paul otter


Op 11-3-2019 om 08:40 schreef Mallard:
Yes, I'm a long-standing customer of Aliexpress, and I love it.

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 11/03/2019 08:14, Julia ha scritto:
Aliexpress is good and very accessible. I've ordered few things and it went quite nicely.


On 11.03.2019 07:30, Mallard wrote:
Hello,


It doesn't.


when I tried it a few months ago, it looked very accessible at first glance, but then I discovered that, although I could read teh prices of all items, I couldn't read what the prices were for. In other words, it reads the prices, but not the products... Not very useful!


I meant to try Aliexpress, but never got around to do so.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 11/03/2019 01:58, Devin Prater ha scritto:
If anyone tries it on Android, I'd love to know if it works better there.

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 7:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com

It's hardly usable at all on mac os, so I get the feeling as of now we cannot use wish.com too dad as I know friends who have found thigns they love for very low prices.

Take care

On 10 Mar 2019, at 17:46, Devin Prater wrote:

Yeah, its not accessible for me, either. I can barely use it on
iOS, not sure about Android,.

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*Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:47 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com
This site is not accessible. I've tried many times to use it to
order things for my daughter with no luck.

Earle
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----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf"
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Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 4:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] wish.com


Hello I am trying to get wish.com to read on the desktop computer

all I am seeing is a hole buynch of links with numbers any one
ever used wish.com? if so how can you tell what you are3 even
looking at?

Hank


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Re: using nvda to cancel Kindle magazine subscriptions

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Yes I know this is an old one. What does Jaws do?
I also suspect from my memory of this coming up last time that some browsers seem to be better than others at flagging new content too.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using nvda to cancel Kindle magazine subscriptions


This thread raises the question about whether a feature should be added to NVDA while using browse mode or forms mode. If you are filling out a form, it might be a useful feature to be able to have new material that comes up in response to an action taken automatically read. It appears, from comments in this thread, that new material comes up in response to something the user does and it is not in the form or not in a place the user would come across it if just going down the form. If it were read, the user would be alerted to look elsewhere for the new material.

I'm not sure this feature should be on by default but it might be useful and save people trouble.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Mary Otten
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using nvda to cancel Kindle magazine subscriptions


Thank you, Richard. That did the trick. Intuitive it is not, but it is
nice to be able to do this without having to ask my sighted husband.
It'd be cool if focus could be placed on that confirmation box after you
press the cancel button.


Mary

On 3/10/2019 12:41 PM, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
I haven't done this for a while but, from memory, I think that when you hit enter on that element, a confirmation box appears at the bottom of the screen.

Good luck!
Richard Bartholomew


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Otten
Sent: 10 March 2019 18:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] using nvda to cancel Kindle magazine subscriptions

I wonder if anybody can give me some advice as to the exact steps to follow in order to use the Amazon website to cancel Kindle magazine subscriptions.I can get to the "manage content and devices" section as instructed. I even managed to get the site to show my magazine subscriptions, something I was not successful at doing using my iPhone.


Once you have the subscriptions showing, there is an "actions" button to the left of each subscription. You are suppose to click on that to reveal choices, such as changing payment method or canceling the subscription. I can find the cancel subscription, but it does not activate when you press enter on it. I can also find it with object navigation, then press the numpad key for left click, also to no avail.
What am I missing here?


Mary







Re: using win 7 after january 2020

Chris
 

I think the lack of updates after 2020 are probably the least of your worries if you are currently not using any type of antivirus program

 

 

From: Monte Single
Sent: 11 March 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

 

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

 

 

locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

Devin Prater
 

I think Windows' advantage is that it has a good accessibility system for programs and screen readers to use. NVDA on Linux and Android would suffer the same as Orca and TalkBack do. The screen reader cannot, usually, get at more than what the operating system, whether it be Windows, Linux, or Android, gives it.

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Mallard <mallard@...>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 1:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA for Android and IOS
 
Well, Windows has more than one screen reader too, hasn't it?

Ciao,

Ollie





Il 10/03/2019 21:31, Travis Siegel ha scritto:
>
> Not sure what the point would be.
>
> NVDA is a windows application, there's no advantage to porting it to
> IOS or Android, since those platforms already have screen readers,
> (IOS even has one built-in), what would be the usage case for making
> another one?
>
> Android has multiple screen readers, so AI suppose another one there
> couldn't hurt, but it won't be NVDA, since porting a windows app to a
> linux environment isn't  really something that can be done easily, (or
> in some cases) at all, because of the way they work, and to be honest,
> NVDA falls into the second category.  To make a linux screen reader,
> you need to do things entirely differently than on a windows system. 
> Basically, it would be a matter of rewriting NVDA from scratch, and
> since there's already some very good screen readers for linux, Android
> and OSX, there's not much point to it.
>
> On 3/10/2019 11:16 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
>> Are there any plans in the pipeline for developing an NVDA app for
>> Android and IOS? Is it possible?
>> Right now, Talkback and Voiceover do support external keyboard, but
>> it would be so much more convenient if there could be an NVDA
>> application for mobile phones with similar commands as that of a PC.
>> What do you guys think?
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Sociohack
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Re: using nvda to cancel Kindle magazine subscriptions

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I'm sure Kindle problems have come up on here before. Might be worth a hunt through the archives
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Otten" <maryotten@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] using nvda to cancel Kindle magazine subscriptions


I wonder if anybody can give me some advice as to the exact steps to follow in order to use the Amazon website to cancel Kindle magazine subscriptions.I can get to the "manage content and devices" section as instructed. I even managed to get the site to show my magazine subscriptions, something I was not successful at doing using my iPhone.


Once you have the subscriptions showing, there is an "actions" button to the left of each subscription. You are suppose to click on that to reveal choices, such as changing payment method or canceling the subscription. I can find the cancel subscription, but it does not activate when you press enter on it. I can also find it with object navigation, then press the numpad key for left click, also to no avail. What am I missing here?


Mary


Re: reviewing a web page

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I think some of the strangest ones is where somebody who built the site left text in which the paper and ink colour is the same. Sighte people do not see this but we hear it.
In the most benign cases you here content goes here, but sometimes its a nasty swear word or a big pile of unrelated words, no doubt put there to make it match any search you fancy. Very naughty. Just another issue where screenreader use can be a bit confusing. Anyway topic drift warning, I'm not saying any more.
Brian

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From: "marcio via Groups.Io" <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reviewing a web page


Hi,
Same case of the guy asking about breadcrumb yesterday, if it wasn't
you, I actually don't remember :)
"inserted" is an HTML tag which indicates that something was deleted and
some other thing is on the place of the old one now.
Suppose you have an original price for something but this thing is with
an off for a limited time. You may well want use the "inserted" HTML tag
to delete the price and replace it with the new one.
Actually, most of the time it's a combo of two tags, one to delete the
old and the other to insert the new content.
I forgot what the other tag is so you may google it if you want more info.
And, while it may be useless for some people, no, as far as I know,
there's no way of turning such announcement off using NVDA.

Hth


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Em 10/03/2019 15:18, Don H escreveu:
Sometimes I simply use the down and up arrow keys to review a web
page. In many cases Icome accross lines on the web page that start by
NVDA saying inserted followed by some useless info, What does the
term inserted mean in these cases?

Thanks







Re: using win 7 after january 2020

Ian Blackburn
 

You can continue to use Windows 7 after the end date in the same way that people are still using Windows XP
But you take the risk of some sort of attack due to the fact that holes in the operating system are not being patched by the supplier
That’s a risk that you choose to take or not depending on your situation


On 11 Mar 2019, at 4:47 pm, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

 

Re: A web site with a double life

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They are after the heading, before the actual links to the episodes in both cases, but the with something else seems to show up on the Iphone but not in Firefox/waterfox. I guess it could be that the web site is under development and being fiddled with, I do not know. Anyway, I have subscribed and all the audio came down. Its just not as easy as it should have been.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A web site with a double life


Are you saying you want an address to subscribe to a podcast? I see, using an older version of Chrome, specific episodes linked to, such as a link to Episode 72 of a podcast after a dewscription of it. Where are links to subscribe found when you look using another platform? At this point we have far too little information to say that it is at all likely the site is tailoring content. It may just be that this or that browser is showing code on the page that other browsers don't.

Here is the direct link to episode 72 of a podcast. I used to copy shortcut feature in Chrome, the same as copy link location in Firefox. Is the link to the general podcast series based on this link?
http://media.blubrry.com/double_tap_canada/link.theplatform.com/s/pU4NeC/CduzbuU8NU3U/Episode-72:-Meditation-and-Relaxation-Apps.mp3?metafile=false&feed=Double%20Tap%20Canada#

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 12:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A web site with a double life


Many websites do present different content based on the browser they detect is
visiting them.

Sometimes this is good (eg: for mobile devices, they get the mobile-optimised
version), but sometimes it is bad.

I recommend contacting the admin of the website to tell them how this is
interfering with usability.


Antony.

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wrote:

There is a website called doubletap.online
Its a Canadian site, but has podcasts about accessible tech.
However, when I view it in foirefox or waterfox I cannot find a link to
the basic podcast address, only I tunes and some specific apps. However
when I visit it in Safari on the I phone I see the normal link leaving me
in the silly position of copying over the link feeds.bla bala to the pc
podcatcher address field manually. Is this a waterfox/firefox thing? or
is it me or perhaps an nvda thing. I'm using the latest beta of nvda
2019.1.
Brian
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Re: A web site with a double life

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Well we get amazon.co.uk of course here, but you can get links to the .com if you want to.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@...>
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Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A web site with a double life


In addition to what you mentioned above, geography can also be a factor in
determining what site you "get" to view. Some redirect according to IP
address. I think Amazon used to do this, though it doesn't seem to anymore
for amazon.com and amazon.ca.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Antony Stone
Sent: March 10, 2019 1:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A web site with a double life

Many websites do present different content based on the browser they detect
is visiting them.

Sometimes this is good (eg: for mobile devices, they get the
mobile-optimised version), but sometimes it is bad.

I recommend contacting the admin of the website to tell them how this is
interfering with usability.


Antony.

On Sunday 10 March 2019 at 17:41:52, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

wrote:

There is a website called doubletap.online
Its a Canadian site, but has podcasts about accessible tech.
However, when I view it in foirefox or waterfox I cannot find a link to
the basic podcast address, only I tunes and some specific apps. However
when I visit it in Safari on the I phone I see the normal link leaving me
in the silly position of copying over the link feeds.bla bala to the pc
podcatcher address field manually. Is this a waterfox/firefox thing? or
is it me or perhaps an nvda thing. I'm using the latest beta of nvda
2019.1.
Brian
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until a restore is attempted.

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me.

using win 7 after january 2020

Monte Single
 

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

 

Re: wish.com

P. Otter
 

I wish, wish.com was more accessible.
paul otter


Op 11-3-2019 om 08:40 schreef Mallard:

Yes, I'm a long-standing customer of Aliexpress, and I love it.

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 11/03/2019 08:14, Julia ha scritto:
Aliexpress is good and very accessible. I've ordered few things and it went quite nicely.


On 11.03.2019 07:30, Mallard wrote:
Hello,


It doesn't.


when I tried it a few months ago, it looked very accessible at first glance, but then I discovered that, although I could read teh prices of all items, I couldn't read what the prices were for. In other words, it reads the prices, but not the products... Not very useful!


I meant to try Aliexpress, but never got around to do so.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 11/03/2019 01:58, Devin Prater ha scritto:
If anyone tries it on Android, I'd love to know if it works better there.

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 7:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com

It's hardly usable at all on mac os, so I get the feeling as of now we cannot use wish.com too dad as I know friends who have found thigns they love for very low prices.

Take care

On 10 Mar 2019, at 17:46, Devin Prater wrote:

    Yeah, its not accessible for me, either. I can barely use it on
    iOS, not sure about Android,.

    Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
------------------------------------------------------------------------

    *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Earle Zwicker
<rowdyamerican@...>
    *Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:47 PM
    *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
    *Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com
    This site is not accessible. I've tried many times to use it to
    order things for my daughter with no luck.

    Earle
On Mar 10, 2019, at 7:24 PM, Adel Spence
<adelspence12@...> wrote:

chek your email
----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf"
<hank.smith966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 4:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] wish.com


Hello I am trying to get wish.com to read on the desktop computer

all I am seeing is a hole buynch of links with numbers any one
    ever used wish.com? if so how can you tell what you are3 even
    looking at?

Hank


--
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y










Re: wish.com

Mallard
 

Yes, I'm a long-standing customer of Aliexpress, and I love it.

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 11/03/2019 08:14, Julia ha scritto:
Aliexpress is good and very accessible. I've ordered few things and it went quite nicely.


On 11.03.2019 07:30, Mallard wrote:
Hello,


It doesn't.


when I tried it a few months ago, it looked very accessible at first glance, but then I discovered that, although I could read teh prices of all items, I couldn't read what the prices were for. In other words, it reads the prices, but not the products... Not very useful!


I meant to try Aliexpress, but never got around to do so.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 11/03/2019 01:58, Devin Prater ha scritto:
If anyone tries it on Android, I'd love to know if it works better there.

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
------------------------------------------------------------------------

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 7:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com

It's hardly usable at all on mac os, so I get the feeling as of now we cannot use wish.com too dad as I know friends who have found thigns they love for very low prices.

Take care

On 10 Mar 2019, at 17:46, Devin Prater wrote:

    Yeah, its not accessible for me, either. I can barely use it on
    iOS, not sure about Android,.

    Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
------------------------------------------------------------------------

    *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Earle Zwicker
<rowdyamerican@...>
    *Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:47 PM
    *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
    *Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com
    This site is not accessible. I've tried many times to use it to
    order things for my daughter with no luck.

    Earle
On Mar 10, 2019, at 7:24 PM, Adel Spence
<adelspence12@...> wrote:

chek your email
----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf"
<hank.smith966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 4:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] wish.com


Hello I am trying to get wish.com to read on the desktop computer

all I am seeing is a hole buynch of links with numbers any one
    ever used wish.com? if so how can you tell what you are3 even
    looking at?

Hank


--
check out my song on youtube
https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y








Re: wish.com

Julia
 

Aliexpress is good and very accessible. I've ordered few things and it went quite nicely.

On 11.03.2019 07:30, Mallard wrote:
Hello,


It doesn't.


when I tried it a few months ago, it looked very accessible at first glance, but then I discovered that, although I could read teh prices of all items, I couldn't read what the prices were for. In other words, it reads the prices, but not the products... Not very useful!


I meant to try Aliexpress, but never got around to do so.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 11/03/2019 01:58, Devin Prater ha scritto:
If anyone tries it on Android, I'd love to know if it works better there.

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 7:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com

It's hardly usable at all on mac os, so I get the feeling as of now we cannot use wish.com too dad as I know friends who have found thigns they love for very low prices.

Take care

On 10 Mar 2019, at 17:46, Devin Prater wrote:

Yeah, its not accessible for me, either. I can barely use it on
iOS, not sure about Android,.

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Earle Zwicker
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*Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:47 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com
This site is not accessible. I've tried many times to use it to
order things for my daughter with no luck.

Earle
On Mar 10, 2019, at 7:24 PM, Adel Spence
<adelspence12@...> wrote:

chek your email
----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf"
<hank.smith966@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 4:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] wish.com


Hello I am trying to get wish.com to read on the desktop computer

all I am seeing is a hole buynch of links with numbers any one
ever used wish.com? if so how can you tell what you are3 even
looking at?

Hank


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locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

Tyler Wood
 

Hi,

Just some random thoughts here in no particular order.



NVDA isn't coming to iPhone, so let's put that to bed right now. It's apple.


The interesting thing here is that despite the claim to 'get over it', Windows on arm is actually a very real thing. NVDA would run on that - all be it emulating x86 - and thus performance would be drastically reduced, but there are laptops out there running snapdragon processors and windows 10 right now.


Given some time and effort (and, who knows, in 5-10 years arm processors might be even more mainstream in windows laptops) NVDA, at least for ARM processors, could be a real possibility. Though, as Brian rightly points out, proper keyboard input etc would be a huge thing on Android. I don't know the differences in coding for windows on ARM on Windows vs. Android, and I suspect they are quite different, however windows running native ARM applications in the near future might translate to NVDA having a slow transition? Maybe just parts of the essential screen reader to make response times quicker? I'm actually curious if anyone on the mailing list has tried NVDA on one of these snapdragon laptops to see what performance is actually like.


This is probably super messy code wise, too, and would be a complete disaster. But x86, while proven reliable, has been around for decades. Some very interesting (and probably frustrating accessibility wise) times are ahead for us.


This blog post, while dramatic, really points out what I am trying to get at here.

http://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/

On 2019-03-11 1:35 a.m., Mallard wrote:
Aren't you a pessimist???!!!!


How many things you've seen happen that you wouldn't have ever dreamt of, and now they're here?


NVDA itself is one of them, isn't it?


Why not look at the world with a little more joy and a little less anger?(grin, smile, lol, rofl!)


Have a lovely week!

Ollie


Il 11/03/2019 00:38, Dale Leavens ha scritto:
Really!

Is there anything at all that can be added to this subject?

It isn’t happening.  Get over it already! Or take it to the chat group.

Dale Leavens

On Mar 10, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Brian Vogel <@britechguy <mailto:@britechguy>> wrote:

On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 07:10 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

    Did nvda work on them.

Given the radical difference in processor architecture and lack of a keyboard, for starters, it's highly doubtful.

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          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/

locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

Mallard
 

Well, Windows has more than one screen reader too, hasn't it?

Ciao,

Ollie

Il 10/03/2019 21:31, Travis Siegel ha scritto:

Not sure what the point would be.

NVDA is a windows application, there's no advantage to porting it to IOS or Android, since those platforms already have screen readers, (IOS even has one built-in), what would be the usage case for making another one?

Android has multiple screen readers, so AI suppose another one there couldn't hurt, but it won't be NVDA, since porting a windows app to a linux environment isn't  really something that can be done easily, (or in some cases) at all, because of the way they work, and to be honest, NVDA falls into the second category.  To make a linux screen reader, you need to do things entirely differently than on a windows system.  Basically, it would be a matter of rewriting NVDA from scratch, and since there's already some very good screen readers for linux, Android and OSX, there's not much point to it.

On 3/10/2019 11:16 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
Are there any plans in the pipeline for developing an NVDA app for Android and IOS? Is it possible?
Right now, Talkback and Voiceover do support external keyboard, but it would be so much more convenient if there could be an NVDA application for mobile phones with similar commands as that of a PC. What do you guys think?
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locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

Mallard
 

Yes, it's a bit like NVDA, but in my opinion it doesn't work as smoothly.

It has improved significantly over the last few years and, I must say, I finally understood how Orca works when I started using NVDA in 2009...


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 10/03/2019 22:47, marcio via Groups.Io ha scritto:
On Linux we have Orca, which is a bit like NVDA, isn't it?

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Em 10/03/2019 17:13, Mallard escreveu:
Yes, it would be fantastic... Also on Linux...

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 10/03/2019 19:42, marcio via Groups.Io ha scritto:
As many other people have already mentioned, it seems there's not any plan, for now ou the future, to make NVDA a screen reader to a smartphone.
It actually would be quite nice, though, and I'd be the first to grab it if it ever existed.
Considering how powerful NVDA can be on the Windows platform, if such power could be applied on a smartphone, it would be wonderful!
But unfortunately, I don't see it happening :(

Cheers,
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Em 10/03/2019 12:16, Sociohack AC escreveu:
Are there any plans in the pipeline for developing an NVDA app for Android and IOS? Is it possible?
Right now, Talkback and Voiceover do support external keyboard, but it would be so much more convenient if there could be an NVDA application for mobile phones with similar commands as that of a PC. What do you guys think?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

Mallard
 

Aren't you a pessimist???!!!!


How many things you've seen happen that you wouldn't have ever dreamt of, and now they're here?


NVDA itself is one of them, isn't it?


Why not look at the world with a little more joy and a little less anger?(grin, smile, lol, rofl!)


Have a lovely week!

Ollie

Il 11/03/2019 00:38, Dale Leavens ha scritto:
Really!

Is there anything at all that can be added to this subject?

It isn’t happening.  Get over it already! Or take it to the chat group.

Dale Leavens

On Mar 10, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Brian Vogel <@britechguy <mailto:@britechguy>> wrote:

On Sun, Mar 10, 2019 at 07:10 PM, ADRIAN POCOCK wrote:

Did nvda work on them.

Given the radical difference in processor architecture and lack of a keyboard, for starters, it's highly doubtful.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep./*

          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/

Re: wish.com

Mallard
 

Hello,


It doesn't.


when I tried it a few months ago, it looked very accessible at first glance, but then I discovered that, although I could read teh prices of all items, I couldn't read what the prices were for. In other words, it reads the prices, but not the products... Not very useful!


I meant to try Aliexpress, but never got around to do so.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 11/03/2019 01:58, Devin Prater ha scritto:
If anyone tries it on Android, I'd love to know if it works better there.

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 7:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com

It's hardly usable at all on mac os, so I get the feeling as of now we cannot use wish.com too dad as I know friends who have found thigns they love for very low prices.

Take care

On 10 Mar 2019, at 17:46, Devin Prater wrote:

Yeah, its not accessible for me, either. I can barely use it on
iOS, not sure about Android,.

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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Earle Zwicker
<rowdyamerican@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:47 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com
This site is not accessible. I've tried many times to use it to
order things for my daughter with no luck.

Earle
> On Mar 10, 2019, at 7:24 PM, Adel Spence
<adelspence12@...> wrote:
>
> chek your email
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf"
<hank.smith966@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 4:58 PM
> Subject: [nvda] wish.com
>
>
>> Hello I am trying to get wish.com to read on the desktop computer
>>
>> all I am seeing is a hole buynch of links with numbers any one
ever used wish.com? if so how can you tell what you are3 even
looking at?
>>
>> Hank
>>
>>
>> --
>> check out my song on youtube
>> https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y
>>
>>
>
>
>
>