To be honest with exception of bgt, antimalware tools seem to go after a lot of blindness related programs for no reason I can see.

I have excluded my entire data drive on the workstation as well as several folders on my c drive from getting scanned which itself does put my risk up a little, however its that or loose files.

I don't trust security programs especially those that take over control.



On 12/03/2019 1:03 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Well it is true that some anti virus solutions use techniques borrowed from malware to make themselves extremely hard to  corrupt or remove, because of course they become a legitimate target for malware themselves. however there are limits to what I'd  accept, and Avast has crossed this line for me, being unusable in nvda and almost unremovable even with its own uninstaller and corrupting something when it is removed.
However if you have an Intel based pc, MSSE will still work with the older version of nvda and is still updating here at any rate on windows 7 and XP and OK with nvda. With a bit of effort Superantispyware works well in the free version though some object and screen navigation is required at times for nvda to run correctly, and there seems no way to tick the box for unwanted software like rogue toolbars that nvda can see.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

i use windows xp and love it very much, except some of its limitations.
but i dont trust any antivirus programs and never use them!

On 3/11/19, Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley@...> wrote:

I think the lack of updates after 2020 are probably the least of your
worries if you are currently not using any type of antivirus program


From: Monte Single
Sent: 11 March 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.
I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;
---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,
---an accessible antivirus and malware program.
What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?
Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?
Thanks,
Monte

-- 
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

.

To be honest it may take a little longer for microsoft to completely kill windows7.

While a lot of even x lease units are now win10, there are still x lease win7 units about and even in some rare cases you still can buy a few older generations of win7 workstations of 4-6th generation.

Its likely that thats all going to be phased out but even if it is, I doubt windows7 or even 8 when it finnally dropps out of support will actually drop completely.

Firstly, while xp actually was really on the way out, all oses from vista up use almost the same stuff.

Dot net 4.6 and 4.7 are supported on all windows systems from 7 up, visual basic up to vb 2015-2017 are still supported, as well as dotnet.

Drivers for hardware if you know where to go are all supported on the older systems to, there is a lot of modern hardware that while it runs on 10 will still be supported on 7 and even 8 in fact a lot of win 8 and 8.1 software and drivers will run on windows 10 not really recommended but I have some sound card drivers from win7/8 which run fine without issues.

To be honest, its going to be harder for microsoft to drop win7 and or even 8, for starters, there is a lot of hardware about, some workstations still use 7, and while a lot of businesses are now going to 10, thats only happening as of now, when they replace computers, I know this because of family that are in business.

With xp, people I talked to said they only updated to win7 when windows 10 was starting out, in fact they only started win7 with the 2015 version of windows 10 when that was coming out, going to 7.

Some others may wait longer or shorter times.

Its going to even be harder with windows 8 when microsoft finally cans it.

The only reason to not use win7 possibly is if you want to use a more powerfull system than the intel 6th gen, and after their security nightmare, effecting all systems, from what I hear from people that know, all the security measures in both firmware and windows mitigations have basically crapified the entire 7-8th generation and the 8th generation completely with reduced speed.

Its why I moved to amd which while it does share some similarities with the intel breaches has more protections than intel because of older technologies being used.

Bar the interface in win8x, the only reason you probably would want to switch would be because you would like universal apps or something.

With the universal nature of hardware its going to be harder and a longer time before all that stuff dies.

Whats going to probably eventually happen, is that hardware will stop being supported and other things but there is more of that than win xp ever had.

The only other reason to even concidder upgrading to win10 is to use usb c tech.

Its faster but the ports and plugs mean that basically 99.99999% of usb devices don't work on usb c meaning you have to buy more hubs to fit things in.

Now I have seen usb c storage and a few things but its still got to mature.

My origional plan was to get a 6th gen or a quad 7th gen with all ports or basically usb 2 and 3 like I used to have with my 3rd gen.

This amd system has usb 2 and usb 3.1 class a which means I get all the generation upgrades but not c.

Another issue I have with the new systems is the god awefull microphone and speaker input jack.

This means that even with effects off, the sound for the speakers and externals is emulated to a point.

This means I need audio drivers running at startup in order to have it emulate the right device properly.

I have tried without drivers and the card amp in this beast is to powerfull to run right.

Older units and some newer ones have this sort of thing in and not the 2 stand alone outputs.

The other god awefull thing that I really hate about the modern systems is the tieing of all their sound hardware to the display chip.

I understand why they do it, but after the god awefull time I had in 1995 when sound was tied to the cd drive I thought everyone had learned their lesson.

My asus workstation's card is a card not tied to anything, a 4th gen.

Then again maybe it is the blind that overtax their cards to a point the limiters trip.

Back in the day when volume controls, stand alone cards analog ones mainly and real speakers existed we didn't have any of this stupidness.

Now it works but there is a lot of emulation.

And due to the size of the speakers unless you get an entertainment, gaming or small workstation like I have the speakers are really small that effects are needed for sound to sound even half good.

Eventually windows 7 like xp will become utter crap, but its going to get longer.

Xp was allready being phased out by newer things, win98, 95, and old dos went the same way as well as win2k, me and probably win 8 and vista.

Sadly, win7 has a lot going for it.

There is still a lot of good tech that will be win7 able for ages yet.

And as I said, we would need a big change to really role users over to 10 at least any time fast.

From technical trends that myself and a friend are following who is in the security industry, the biggest threat is forging business emails, as businesses and indeviduals get smarter, the threat of ransomware is dropping to a point we can handle it reasonably well.

Won't be gone completely but still.

Unlike xp, there is no real advantage to really upgrade over win7 on its own.

With the loss of office 2010-2016 coming up in the next few years, that may be enough, and the processer limitations but there are hacks round that.

As long as  there are still people and businesses using it win7 will continue.

Another thing for 7 and against 10 is the fact microsoft has pulled out a lot of legacy stuff which is still used.

Things like midi mappers, and some stuff to run older games and programs which 7 even 64 bit can run with ease.

This is probably why microsoft went with win10 as a service, I mean why would you ever leave windows 10.

Unless your processer is really old, you wouldn't.

The intel 6gen has stopped production as of last year, 7th is still about but dropping out now.

Things may pick up with intel 9th gen maybe.

Microsoft have addressed some of the performance bottlenecks in the mitigations for intel cpus but still.

It will be harder to get rid of win7 and 8 than microsoft actually thinks.

Win8's interface may drive people to 10, and 8 will drop but 7 is unlikely to become as xp is.

Even so, people only dropped xp when their support libraries no longer worked with it.

To be honest, the only reason some stuff like older windows could be effected is if and when microsoft dropps 32 bit support.

Or at least 32 bit os versions.

A lot of programs use 32 and 64 bit code, nvda being one of them.

What will probably shove things along is the end of 32 as a hardware architecture.

32 bit machines havn't been made in ages and ages.

The reason 32 bit continues is that a few systems are still running with 1-4gb ram mainly and the fact a few older programs still exist.

Even if ms were to drop win7 support now, I doubt we'd see any real change for at least a decade or even more.

With all the cloud services and portables what we may see is a cludge of oses and devices being used at once.

On 11/03/2019 10:18 PM, Ian Blackburn wrote:

You can continue to use Windows 7 after the end date in the same way that people are still using Windows XP

But you take the risk of some sort of attack due to the fact that holes in the operating system are not being patched by the supplier

That’s a risk that you choose to take or not depending on your situation

On 11 Mar 2019, at 4:47 pm, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

 

Not sure what the point would be.

NVDA is a windows application, there's no advantage to porting it to IOS or Android, since those platforms already have screen readers, (IOS even has one built-in), what would be the usage case for making another one?

Android has multiple screen readers, so AI suppose another one there couldn't hurt, but it won't be NVDA, since porting a windows app to a linux environment isn't  really something that can be done easily, (or in some cases) at all, because of the  way they work, and to be honest, NVDA falls into the second category.  To make a linux screen reader, you need to do things entirely differently than on a windows system.  Basically, it would be a matter of rewriting NVDA from scratch, and since there's already some very good screen readers for linux, Android and OSX, there's not much point to it.

On 3/10/2019 11:16 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:

Are there any plans in the pipeline for developing an NVDA app for Android and IOS? Is it possible?
Right now, Talkback and Voiceover do support external keyboard, but it would be so much more convenient if there could be an NVDA application for mobile phones with similar commands as that of a PC. What do you guys think?
--
Regards,
Sociohack

Virus-free. www.avast.com

Well it is true that some anti virus solutions use techniques borrowed from malware to make themselves extremely hard to  corrupt or remove, because of course they become a legitimate target for malware themselves. however there are limits to what I'd  accept, and Avast has crossed this line for me, being unusable in nvda and almost unremovable even with its own uninstaller and corrupting something when it is removed.
However if you have an Intel based pc, MSSE will still work with the older version of nvda and is still updating here at any rate on windows 7 and XP and OK with nvda. With a bit of effort Superantispyware works well in the free version though some object and screen navigation is required at times for nvda to run correctly, and there seems no way to tick the box for unwanted software like rogue toolbars that nvda can see.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "zahra" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
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Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

i use windows xp and love it very much, except some of its limitations.
but i dont trust any antivirus programs and never use them!

On 3/11/19, Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley@...> wrote:

I think the lack of updates after 2020 are probably the least of your
worries if you are currently not using any type of antivirus program


From: Monte Single
Sent: 11 March 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.
I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;
---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,
---an accessible antivirus and malware program.
What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?
Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?
Thanks,
Monte

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

.

Hi guys,

The following information comes from the heading called Recently updated on my accessibilitycentral.net website... This information is for the NVDA related material.

Recently updated: Added a tutorial on how to add a Humanware BrailleNote to NVDA as well as a section called Add-on updater http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html.  Christchurch City Library announces the installation of the NVDA screen reader on 390 of their public terminals across their network of 19 libraries. To find out which software is available on the CCL network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/  Added a section called Changes to navigation of the Emoji panel in Windows 10 version 1809. How to add an emoji in Windows 10 with NVDA (on the NVDA tutorials for Windows 10 page) http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html

Also, added playing your music/movies to a Google device (off the how to use the VLC media player with the NVDA screen reader page).

Inputting with MuseScore; Using your Wordpress dashboard with NVDA; Added an audio tutorial for Skype for web, using the NVDA screen reader http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html;

Gene NZ

Hi Gene!

Thanks for letting us know!

Have a great one!

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Tuesday, October 9, 2018 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

 

Hi guys

 

Just to let you know the web site has come back on line it seemed it was a very series crash on there end. it may go up and down while they repopulate all the web sites on that server.

 

Hopefully nothing like this happens again for a very long long  ..... time again.

 

It is dated the 23rd of September so is the last update that was drop boxed to the list.

 

Gene nz

On 2/10/2018 10:14 AM, David Moore wrote:

Hi Gene and all!

I just unzipped it with 7Zip!

It works very well.

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

 

Hi

 

The website has been zipped you will need a program to unzip it. You can also do it with windows explorer but may be better to make a folder then put the files into it that is easy to find. Then it is a matter of just going to the index file with in the folder and pressing the enter key on it and use it like normal. As long as people have internet access they should be able to access audio files  etc.

 

There may be another tutorial been added on later this week so will update the link to the drop box account then.

 

I will let people know then.

 

The drop box link is https://www.dropbox.com/s/fh0ke305t6afduw/Accessibility%20Central%20Website.zip?dl=0

Gene nz

 

 

 

 

 

On 2/10/2018 9:11 AM, The Wolf wrote:

can you please dropbox me the files?

the website that is?

On 10/1/2018 1:07 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys

 

As you probably have noticed Accessibilitycentral.net has not be accessible and the following message comes up when you try to access one of the pages Website is temporarily down due to file system failure. Recovery is in progress, please check back later. Sorry for inconveniences

.

 

The people we host with were alerted when i first noticed it and it has to be fixed on there end. I do not know when it will be back up but hopefully it is ASAP.

 

I guess this is maybe what you get some times when you host with a free provider? with no adds and only have to pay for the domain name.

 

It sounds pretty serious like the server hard drive took a dive?

 

If any one wants to access the material on it at present I can zip it up and drop box it until it comes back on line.

This will only be the website files not the audio files as every one has access to the internet mostly.

 

You will then need to unzip it and put it into a folder with the files. Then it is a matter of just accessing the index file for the website.

 

I might again even look at other options for hosting.

 

Let us know and can drop box to the list.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 5/09/2018 8:11 AM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi guys

 

Pages recently updated
Recently updated: Added a tutorial called The basics of making a ticket for NVACCESS on the NVDA audio tutorials page

under trouble shooting.

Gene nz

 

 

On 9/08/2018 5:14 AM, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io wrote:

Actually there are 5 different menues in Skype Electron.

All the menues access with alt key.

Alt+e for edit menue.

Alt+f for file menue.

Alt+h for help menue.

Alt+t for tool menue.

And alt+v for view menue respectively.

For details, go to those menues and discover how much those menues are accessible.

I’m very sorry to let you know that most of us do not like to spend sometimes to explore new things and want to stick with old technology.

At the end all I can is “No gain without pain”!

With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

Charlsdarwin1

 

 

You can contact me via gmail:
inamuddin09@...

Inamuddin.ronaque@...

outlook:
inam092@...

yahoo:
inamuddin2010@...

Add my Skype ID:
charlsdarwin1
Meet me on facebook:
www.facebook.com/inamuddin786

Follow me on my twitter ID:
www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1

Call me on my cell numbers:
+92-300-2227598 

+92-334-3348409

 

 

From: Hareth
Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

 

The Skype support page lags these hotkeys for Skype 8:

ALT plus F.

for a menu contains some features or options

ALT plus E

For the edit menu.

ALT plus T

for the tools menu.

ALT plus H

For the help menu.

 

 

 

On 8/7/18, Inam Uddin via Groups.Io <charlsdarwin1969@...> wrote:

> This key command will work for  both the things!

> With regards from Inamuddin with the Skype ID:

> Charlsdarwin1

> 

> 

> You can contact me via gmail:

> inamuddin09@...

> Inamuddin.ronaque@...

> outlook:

> inam092@...

> yahoo:

> inamuddin2010@...

> Add my Skype ID:

> charlsdarwin1

> Meet me on facebook:

> www.facebook.com/inamuddin786

> Follow me on my twitter ID:

> www.twitter.com/charlsdarwin1

> Call me on my cell numbers:

> +92-300-2227598

> +92-334-3348409

> 

> 

> From: Gene New Zealand

> Sent: Tuesday, August 7, 2018 7:40 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> 

> Hi

> 

> Is that not to make a call? I would have to go back and check when i checked

> the short cuts i did not see any to answer. so this one works to answer a

> call?

> 

> I wonder if any of the old short cuts would work? at moment i just get it to

> automatically answer it is alot easier.

> 

> Gene nz

> 

> 

> On 8/7/2018 12:01 PM, David Moore wrote:

> Hi Gene!

> Try CTRL+Shift+P

> It worked for me in Skype 8.25 as well as the Win10 app of Skype!!

> David Moore

> 

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

> 

> From: Gene New Zealand

> Sent: Monday, August 6, 2018 5:34 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> 

> Hi

> 

> I have not gone through all the short cuts for skype either I copied the

> list from them and tried a few of them but not all. it just might be a focus

> thing with nvda not speaking that shorcut when preformed?

> 

> Gene nz

> 

> 

> On 8/7/2018 9:24 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

> Hi

> 

> I just had a quick look under the skype 8 short cut keys hopefully i googled

> the right list for skype 8 for desk top it mentions short cut keys for other

> stuff in skype. the list can be found here at

> https://support.skype.com/en/faq/FA12025/what-are-hotkeys-and-how-do-i-use-them-in-skype

> At the moment so i do not have to be in the screen under the calling section

> i think it is under your profile you can check the boxes to have it

> automatically answer in coming calls and videos that is what i have done at

> present.

> 

> I thought also some one on this list said there was another short cut that

> worked but until it can be confirmed in this version by some one else i then

> will add it. It when i had a quick look did not mention a short cut for

> answer in coming calls or video calls may be still to be added?

> 

> I do not mind the automatically answer part saves rushing and trying to

> figure which part of the screen to be in. It would of made sense to have

> left the old short cut keys from skype 7 in it.

> 

> 

> Gene nz

> 

> On 8/6/2018 11:30 PM, Dr. arvind singh brar wrote:

> hi,

> could you mention the shortcut key to answer a skype c

> This message is transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.

> 

> 

> Homepage;

> http://tip.simpl.com/

> 

> On 6 Aug 2018, at 16.02, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>

> wrote:

> Hi,

> 

> 

> RE: Recently added on accessibilitycentral.net

> 

> Recently added a tutorial (both written and audio) for Skype 8 desktop for

> Windows, using the NVDA screen reader.

> A link to the page can be found below:

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

> 

> 

> Regards,

> Gene NZ

> 

> 

> On 7/11/2018 11:19 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

> Hi,

> 

> RE: Recently added on accessibilitycentral.net

> 

> The following tutorials have been added to the NVDA audio tutorials page:

> How to completely uninstall NVDA from your computer

> Addon troubleshooting

> 

> A link to the page can be found below:

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html

> 

> Regards,

> Gene NZ

> 

> On 5/31/2018 9:27 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

> Hi,

> 

> RE: Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> 

> I have added the following to all NVDA related pages - For a variety of NVDA

> related resources from around the world,

> please visit the NVDA screen reader related resources page at the following

> link NVDA screen reader related resources

> 

> Regards,

> Gene NZ

> On 5/6/2018 12:43 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:

> Dear Gene,

> 

> this is grat idea. It will be helpful for many people. Now I hope google

> translate will improve more in the near future.

> 

> 

> Best

> Adriani

> 

> 

> Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gene New

> Zealand

> Gesendet: Samstag, 28. April 2018 07:56

> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Betreff: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> 

> Hi Adriani

> 

> I have just added a link to the google translate page for other languages on

> the main web page.

> You can jump down by letter H to its heading then go down to the link then

> press the enter key where it will take you to another page.

> 

> For some reason i could not put in a plug in to do it and it wanted it on

> every page so have gone down this other route. There is a heading that says

> some thing like translate this website to another language and a link to the

> translate page. The default language is english and the website main page is

> already in the edit section to translate. it is then a matter of changing it

> to another language then having it translate to it. Just after the language

> combo box you want it to go to is where you can read it in another language.

> it also seems if you click on one of the links the next page is also

> translated but only on that page i have it pointing to off my website.

> You will see what i mean when it is translated.

> 

> 

> 

> it may help? for people where english is not there first language like

> mine.

> 

> Not sure if the steps on what to do is enough or should i add a little more

> or hopefully it is clear enough on what to do.

> 

> Gene nz

> 

> 

> 

> On 4/13/2018 5:41 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:

> Dear Gene,

> 

> thank you for your great job. This is very important for the whole

> community. I have forwarded your links to the german community and in the

> translations group.

> 

> I hope I will find some time during next week to provide you some

> suggestions.

> 

> I propose to split the related sources in “development sources” and “user

> specific sources”. In this way we could add links to github and bitbucket as

> well.

> 

> Best

> Adriani

> 

> 

> 

> Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gene New

> Zealand

> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2018 10:10

> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Betreff: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> 

> Hi Adriani

> 

> There is a under construction page that went up tonight for nvda screen

> reader related resources off the main website at

> http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

> When more resources get added there may be links off the nvda related web

> pages on my website that point to that page.

> 

> I have a rough idea of categories for the resources.

> These can be changed  or added to.

> 

> Gene nz

> 

> On 3/25/2018 5:02 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

> Hi Adriani

> 

> Yep I am looking at doing a page for nvda screen reader related resources

> which i will add it into which will be a separate web page. In that page I

> will break it down into say audio resources, video resources maybe nvda

> blogs? about using nvda? Not quite sure of other sections if i do and would

> be more a point to page but not jeffs one.

> Even though he had a good site.

> 

> I am guessing we do  have links to other nvda resources like on you tube etc

> but not in the one place.

> 

> Gene nz

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> On 3/5/2018 9:22 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:

> Gene,

> 

> thanks for including that. I wonder if Joseph’s new tutorials set “welcome

> to NVDA 2018” can be included as well?

> 

> Best

> Adriani

> 

> 

> Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gene New

> Zealand

> Gesendet: Montag, 5. März 2018 03:21

> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Betreff: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> 

> Hi Adriani

> 

> I was not sure if it worked on XP as when the directions went up i think at

> that time it had been tested on 7,8 and 10.

> 

> Would the directions from 10 also work on XP? to get into it as i used to do

> it the other way that was posted.

> 

> I have not any XP machines here now to test with.

> 

> The directions you gave are on the nvda audio tutorials page under trouble

> shooting.

> 

> Gene nz

> 

> 

> On 3/4/2018 11:45 AM, Adriani Botez wrote:

> Hello,

> 

> we had this conversation some months ago, here is a gegistry file which

> activates your sound driver in safe mode. It has been tested with XP as well

> and it works perfectly. NVDA can be used in safe mode after activating this

> file:

> 

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ebkqst6n393i6jk/Activate_Sound_in_Win10_Safe_Mode.zip?dl=1

> 

> 

> Best

> Adriani

> 

> Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Gene New

> Zealand

> Gesendet: Samstag, 3. März 2018 19:47

> An: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Betreff: Re: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> 

> Hi

> 

> the old way to get into safe mode in windows 10 can be found here at

> https://www.lifewire.com/how-to-boot-to-safe-mode-with-command-prompt-2624541

> 

> You will need a pair of eyes to do this plus you might not even have sound.

> 

> So am guessing you will need to burrow some eyes and give them directions to

> fix the problem.

> 

> Gene nz

> 

> 

> On 3/4/2018 2:58 AM, zahra wrote:

> hi gene thanks so much for your great work of you and other members.

> how can i access safe mode in windows xp with nvda?

> does it have solution for users of xp?

> thanks so much every one and God bless you all!

> 

> On 3/3/18, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

> HI guys

> 

> Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> 

> RECENTLY UPDATED:

> 

> 

> Added a link to all NVDA related pages for the new NVDA promotional video.

> 

> Added a link to the addons page for the NVDA Add-on developers guide which

> has been updated for 2018.1

> 

> Added a review of the Samsung UA50MU6100SXNZ television to the podcasts and

> product reviews page

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/podcasts%20and%20product%20reviews.html

> 

> NEW:

> 

> Added a page called Skype Trusted Microsoft Store App (off the NVDA

> tutorials for other programs page)

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

> as well as a page called Using Windows Media Player with NVDA.

> 

> Gene NZ

> 

> On 12/13/2017 12:59 PM, David Moore wrote:

> Hi Gene NZ!

> Thanks so much for what you do for us!

> God bless!

> David Moore

> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

> 10

> 

> From: Gene New Zealand<mailto:hurrikennyandopo@...>

> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 3:01 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

> Subject: [nvda] Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

> 

> 

> Hi guys

> 

> Pages recently updated

> Recently updated: Added links to NVDA Guides on all NVDA related pages

> 

> New: Added a tutorial How to access safe mode in Windows and exit it with

> the NVDA screen reader by Hareth  and co to the NVDA audio tutorials page

> under the troubleshooting section

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html Added a

> tutorial (by Gene Asner) called Navigating ribbons in WordPad (to the NVDA

> tutorials learning the basics page)

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20learning%20the%20basics.html

> Added a tutorial called Using the Ribbon interface in Windows via the

> keyboard (by Brian Vogel) to the NVDA tutorials for Windows 10 page.

> http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html

> 

> Gene NZ

> --

> [Image                NVDA certified expert]

> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related

> material

> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New

> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the

> NVDA

> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or

> location) is near to you please visit

> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa

> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,

> please

> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The

> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals

> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert

> exam.

> 

> 

> 

> --

> [Image NVDA          certified expert]

> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related

> material

> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New

> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the

> NVDA

> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or

> location) is near to you please visit

> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa

> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,

> please

> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The

> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals

> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert

> exam.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> --

> 

> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material

> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New

> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA

> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or

> location) is near to you please visit

> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa

> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please

> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The

> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals

> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert

> exam.

> 

> --

> 

> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material

> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New

> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA

> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or

> location) is near to you please visit

> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa

> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please

> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The

> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals

> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert

> exam.

> 

> --

> 

> Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material

> at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New

> Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA

> screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or

> location) is near to you please visit

> http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa

> People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please

> visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The

> certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals

> from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert

> exam.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>

> 

> 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi all

This might interest you, support after 2020 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjBsuq77vngAhWJVRUIHdQZDX8QFjABegQIBhAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitaltrends.com%2Fcomputing%2Fmicrosoft-charges-windows-7-support%2F&usg=AOvVaw3bFaguXM-wB1WZtzZMQxhW

Regards Adrian.

On 11/03/2019 09:39, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.I wrote:

I don't know, but with the xp experience in the main MSSE still works on Intel machines there, and I suspect they will continue for a while.
The real end of XP was governed by third party software dropping support for it, but it still carries on working with the old stuff, and I've never had any problems with viruses, just very slow web sites in the main and often the inability of older browsers to access some sites. I suspect much the same will apply to Windows 7. Whether Microsoft will stop the old hack to get additional updates is debatable, but be wary of such things.
I do not know the NVDA policy on this. But I imagine there will be a heck of a lot of windows 7 users just like there was xp users for a couple of years so unless there is a compelling reason not to support it, I think it will work for a while yet, and in any case if you keep with the same nvda version then it will work as it always did.

To be honest the main reason not to use 10 is the new OS every 6 months issue. WE get used to things being as we learn them and often the updates change stuff all the time and can be a bit of an effort for  those who use third party software.
Otherwise I'd be on Windows 10.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@...>
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Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

I don't know, but with the xp experience in the main MSSE still works on Intel machines there, and I suspect they will continue for a while.
The real end of XP was governed by third party software dropping support for it, but it still carries on working with the old stuff, and I've never had any problems with viruses, just very slow web sites in the main and often the inability of older browsers to access some sites. I suspect much the same will apply to Windows 7. Whether Microsoft will stop the old hack to get additional updates is debatable, but be wary of such things.
I do not know the NVDA policy on this. But I imagine there will be a heck of a lot of windows 7 users just like there was xp users for a couple of years so unless there is a compelling reason not to support it, I think it will work for a while yet, and in any case if you keep with the same nvda version then it will work as it always did.

To be honest the main reason not to use 10 is the new OS every 6 months issue. WE get used to things being as we learn them and often the updates change stuff all the time and can be a bit of an effort for  those who use third party software.
Otherwise I'd be on Windows 10.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@...>
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Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

.

I've never used it, but with a risk of stating the obvious, has anyone ever contacted the site to find out why they cannot make at least an accessible version?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "P. Otter" <pam.otter@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] wish.com

I wish, wish.com was more accessible.
paul otter


Op 11-3-2019 om 08:40 schreef Mallard:

Yes, I'm a long-standing customer of Aliexpress, and I love it.

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 11/03/2019 08:14, Julia ha scritto:

Aliexpress is good and very accessible. I've ordered few things and it went quite nicely.


On 11.03.2019 07:30, Mallard wrote:

Hello,


It doesn't.


when I tried it a few months ago, it looked very accessible at first glance, but then I discovered that, although I could read teh prices of all items, I couldn't read what the prices were for. In other words, it reads the prices, but not the products... Not very useful!


I meant to try Aliexpress, but never got around to do so.


Ciao,

Ollie




Il 11/03/2019 01:58, Devin Prater ha scritto:

If anyone tries it on Android, I'd love to know if it works better there.

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
------------------------------------------------------------------------


*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 7:56 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com

It's hardly usable at all on mac os, so I get the feeling as of now we cannot use wish.com too dad as I know friends who have found thigns they love for very low prices.

Take care

On 10 Mar 2019, at 17:46, Devin Prater wrote:

Yeah, its not accessible for me, either. I can barely use it on
iOS, not sure about Android,.

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
------------------------------------------------------------------------


*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io on behalf of Earle Zwicker
<rowdyamerican@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, March 10, 2019 6:47 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] wish.com
This site is not accessible. I've tried many times to use it to
order things for my daughter with no luck.

Earle

On Mar 10, 2019, at 7:24 PM, Adel Spence

<adelspence12@...> wrote:

chek your email
----- Original Message ----- From: "The Wolf"

<hank.smith966@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2019 4:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] wish.com

Hello I am trying to get wish.com to read on the desktop computer

all I am seeing is a hole buynch of links with numbers any one

ever used wish.com? if so how can you tell what you are3 even
looking at?

Hank


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Hi all

This might interest you, support after 2020 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjBsuq77vngAhWJVRUIHdQZDX8QFjABegQIBhAF&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.digitaltrends.com%2Fcomputing%2Fmicrosoft-charges-windows-7-support%2F&usg=AOvVaw3bFaguXM-wB1WZtzZMQxhW

Regards Adrian.

On 11/03/2019 09:39, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.I wrote:
I don't know, but with the xp experience in the main MSSE still works on Intel machines there, and I suspect they will continue for a while.
The real end of XP was governed by third party software dropping support for it, but it still carries on working with the old stuff, and I've never had any problems with viruses, just very slow web sites in the main and often the inability of older browsers to access some sites. I suspect much the same will apply to Windows 7. Whether Microsoft will stop the old hack to get additional updates is debatable, but be wary of such things.
I do not know the NVDA policy on this. But I imagine there will be a heck of a lot of windows 7 users just like there was xp users for a couple of years so unless there is a compelling reason not to support it, I think it will work for a while yet, and in any case if you keep with the same nvda version then it will work as it always did.

To be honest the main reason not to use 10 is the new OS every 6 months issue. WE get used to things being as we learn them and often the updates change stuff all the time and can be a bit of an effort for those who use third party software.
Otherwise I'd be on Windows 10.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020


Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

brian.
fortunately thanks God, i dont have issue using different websites
with firefox 52 except github which i wish to follow nvda changes,
edit my previous comments or reply comments of other people.
you always mention slowness of using web pages, but i dont have such
issues when disabling javascript!
when javascript be enabled for me, no difference between xp or 7 for
me, even seven was worse!
and even in xp, i experience sometimes 15 or 20 minutes that my system
is unusable and brows mode does not work, even sometimes i cant use
AltTab and go to another windows or programs.
this problem occur mostly when i use quora website which is unusable
without javascript.
can you please help me what should i do in this regard to overcome
problems and issues using such websites like quora with javascript?
thanks again, God bless you!

On 3/11/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:

I don't know, but with the xp experience in the main MSSE still works on
Intel machines there, and I suspect they will continue for a while.
The real end of XP was governed by third party software dropping support
for it, but it still carries on working with the old stuff, and I've never
had any problems with viruses, just very slow web sites in the main and
often the inability of older browsers to access some sites. I suspect much
the same will apply to Windows 7. Whether Microsoft will stop the old hack
to get additional updates is debatable, but be wary of such things.
I do not know the NVDA policy on this. But I imagine there will be a heck
of a lot of windows 7 users just like there was xp users for a couple of
years so unless there is a compelling reason not to support it, I think it
will work for a while yet, and in any case if you keep with the same nvda
version then it will work as it always did.

To be honest the main reason not to use 10 is the new OS every 6 months
issue. WE get used to things being as we learn them and often the updates
change stuff all the time and can be a bit of an effort for those who use
third party software.
Otherwise I'd be on Windows 10.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if
some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win
7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7
after
January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

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with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

i use windows xp and love it very much, except some of its limitations.
but i dont trust any antivirus programs and never use them!

On 3/11/19, Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley@...> wrote:

I think the lack of updates after 2020 are probably the least of your
worries if you are currently not using any type of antivirus program


From: Monte Single
Sent: 11 March 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.
I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;
---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,
---an accessible antivirus and malware program.
What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?
Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?
Thanks,
Monte

--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

You can continue to use Windows 7 after the end date in the same way that people are still using Windows XP

But you take the risk of some sort of attack due to the fact that holes in the operating system are not being patched by the supplier

That’s a risk that you choose to take or not depending on your situation

On 11 Mar 2019, at 4:47 pm, Monte Single <mrsingle@...> wrote:

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

 

Hello Adrian,

 

Windows 7 does not offer full screen magnification. If this is what you need, do explore ZoomText 2019.You can download it from:

 

https://support.freedomscientific.com/Downloads/ZoomText

 

It runs in a 40-minute demo mode. Not portable. That version is sold in a USB stick.

 

Windows 10 offers some high contrast modes and colour filters. Unless you need a peculiar colour scheme, I do not see why you need ZoomText. When it comes to screen reading, NVDA gives you much more than ZoomText can.

 

--
Desert

I don't know, but with the xp experience in the main MSSE still works on Intel machines there, and I suspect they will continue for a while.
The real end of XP was governed by third party software dropping support for it, but it still carries on working with the old stuff, and I've never had any problems with viruses, just very slow web sites in the main and often the inability of older browsers to access some sites. I suspect much the same will apply to Windows 7. Whether Microsoft will stop the old hack to get additional updates is debatable, but be wary of such things.
I do not know the NVDA policy on this. But I imagine there will be a heck of a lot of windows 7 users just like there was xp users for a couple of years so unless there is a compelling reason not to support it, I think it will work for a while yet, and in any case if you keep with the same nvda version then it will work as it always did.

To be honest the main reason not to use 10 is the new OS every 6 months issue. WE get used to things being as we learn them and often the updates change stuff all the time and can be a bit of an effort for  those who use third party software.
Otherwise I'd be on Windows 10.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Monte Single" <mrsingle@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:47 AM
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7
after
January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte

I think the lack of updates after 2020 are probably the least of your
worries if you are currently not using any type of antivirus program


From: Monte Single
Sent: 11 March 2019 08:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] using win 7 after january 2020

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.
I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;
---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,
---an accessible antivirus and malware program.
What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?
Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?
Thanks,
Monte

Microsoft will stop issuing updates for win 7 next January.

I have read comments that win 7 can be used safely after this time if some
conditions are followed.I understand these to be;

---a current browser such as firefox or chrome,

---an accessible antivirus and malware program.

What are antivirus and malware programs that will work with nvda in win 7?

Are there other items that I should consider if I choose to use win 7 after
January 2020?

Thanks,

Monte