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Re: Finally, got an alt tab breaking log, I think

Sarah k Alawami
 

Sure. I can try that. I can't remember of when I first started noticing the issue if the alt tab thing was happening or not but I can try that over the next few days.

Take care

On 12 Mar 2019, at 13:22, Jackie wrote:

Looks like it's a fault in the audio themes addon. Are you running
that, Sarah? If so, could you please try disabling it to see if the
problem continues?

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

did, every time I dl from 1drive I don't need to. Bu for thsoe that
don't want 1drive try this link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzeohygmhepchrv/alt%20tab%20nvda%20log.rtf?dl=1

On 12 Mar 2019, at 11:18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

That link wants a log in, you should use dropbox its less annoying.
Brian

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To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Finally, got an alt tab braking log, I think

Well, alt tab broke so got the log right when it happened and
restarted
nvda . I was trying to write this on windows but thunder bird
lagged
so badly I could not write the email.

Anyway here is a link to the log file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AOtt0hSM2KdVjyQ

I hope that helps someone. It happened at about 9 something pdt this
morning.



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Deque Systems to expand open source accessibility tools

 

I thought you all would like the below, especially working with Microsoft, and with them working with Microsoft.


https://www.deque.com/blog/deque-axe-and-microsoft/


Re: requesting link to chat group

Lino Morales
 

Um he meant the NVDA chat group not Blind Tech. Didn’t think that group was still around.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Michael Capelle <mike.capelle@...>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 4:29:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] requesting link to chat group
 
blindtech+subscribe@groups.io
 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 10:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] requesting link to chat group
 
Can anyone provide the link to the chat group? I have few tech questions, not realted to NVDA. I tried the Blind tech group, but it's not very active.
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Re: requesting link to chat group

Michael Capelle <mike.capelle@...>
 

blindtech+subscribe@groups.io
 

Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 10:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] requesting link to chat group
 
Can anyone provide the link to the chat group? I have few tech questions, not realted to NVDA. I tried the Blind tech group, but it's not very active.
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Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Finally, got an alt tab breaking log, I think

Jackie
 

Looks like it's a fault in the audio themes addon. Are you running
that, Sarah? If so, could you please try disabling it to see if the
problem continues?

On 3/12/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
did, every time I dl from 1drive I don't need to. Bu for thsoe that
don't want 1drive try this link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzeohygmhepchrv/alt%20tab%20nvda%20log.rtf?dl=1

On 12 Mar 2019, at 11:18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

That link wants a log in, you should use dropbox its less annoying.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami"
<marrie12@gmail.com>
To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Finally, got an alt tab braking log, I think


Well, alt tab broke so got the log right when it happened and
restarted
nvda . I was trying to write this on windows but thunder bird
lagged
so badly I could not write the email.

Anyway here is a link to the log file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AOtt0hSM2KdVjyQ

I hope that helps someone. It happened at about 9 something pdt this
morning.






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Re: Nvda and the International phonetic Alphabet, (IPA)

Teri McElroy <shimzin.lists@...>
 

Hello Lev

I have just recently emailed the list to find out about this same topic. You can go to the nvda menu, then preferences, punctuation/symbol pronunciation. You'll need to input the symbols along with how you want the speech engine to pronounce them. However, I don't think putting in the unicode values is going to work. You'll need to input the actual symbol along with how you want NVDA to pronounce it. I've just tried entering a unicode value here and it didn't work for me. But when I enter the actual symbol, it does.

You can find information about punctuation/symbol pronunciation in section 11.2.2 of the online userguide. It will explain about inputting symbols.

Hope that helps.


Teri

On 13-Mar-19 8:18 AM, Lev wrote:


Hello,

I have noticed that espeak reads some symbols of the international phonetic alphabet; however, this can not be done by other synthetic voices, so my question is this:

How to make that nvda reads correctly those symbols regardless of the synthetizer?

Or, how to make that other synthetizers read those symbols?For instance, vocalizer.

I got the Unicode transcription for all the symbols that I want.

The syntaxis is this:

U+00E6=Ash

Where the term “ash” is the proper name for that particular symbol.

So, is there a file inside the installation folder of nvda or user settings where I can paste that syntaxis to have nvda reading all those symbols?

Thanks for any info.

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Re: Finally, got an alt tab breaking log, I think

Sarah k Alawami
 

did, every time I dl from 1drive I don't need to. Bu for thsoe that don't want 1drive try this link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gzeohygmhepchrv/alt%20tab%20nvda%20log.rtf?dl=1

On 12 Mar 2019, at 11:18, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

That link wants a log in, you should use dropbox its less annoying.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@...>
To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Finally, got an alt tab braking log, I think

Well, alt tab broke so got the log right when it happened and restarted
nvda . I was trying to write this on windows but thunder bird lagged
so badly I could not write the email.

Anyway here is a link to the log file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AOtt0hSM2KdVjyQ

I hope that helps someone. It happened at about 9 something pdt this
morning.




Nvda and the International phonetic Alphabet, (IPA)

Leo
 


 

Hello,

I have noticed that  espeak reads some symbols of the international phonetic alphabet; however, this can not be done by other synthetic voices, so my question is this:

How to make that nvda reads correctly those symbols regardless of the synthetizer?

Or, how to make that other synthetizers read those symbols?  For instance, vocalizer.

 

I got the Unicode transcription for all the symbols that I want.

The syntaxis is this:

U+00E6=Ash

Where the term “ash” is the proper name for that particular symbol.

 

So, is there a file inside the installation folder of nvda or user settings  where I can paste  that syntaxis to have nvda reading all those symbols?

 

Thanks for any info.

 

--
Literophilus


Re: requesting link to chat group

 

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 02:15 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I do however have a supplemental question. What is the difference between a sub group and a different group, ie
What it boils down to is that a subgroup is, for all practical intents and purposes, another group but with restricted membership.  Under the Groups.io schema the only people who can be members of a subgroup must be members of the main group first and remain a member of the main group.  If one unsubscribes from the parent group one is automatically unsubscribed from all subgroups for that parent group one might have joined.

So you must be a member of the NVDA Group itself before you can join the Chat Subgroup, and you can, of course, be only a member of the NVDA Group without joining the Chat Subgroup.

The way I see it, from a practical standpoint and particularly for technical groups, is that the arrangement can be and often is used to foster a sense of community while at the same time keeping the main group with its technical focus while the chat subgroup is for "hanging out with your cyber friends/acquaintances" from the main group and discussing whatever you wish.

With all the complaints about "too much traffic" that I see (and I don't necessarily mean only here), the seeming resistance to using the Groups.io controls to let you limit traffic in many cases, and the natural desire for folks who know each other and trust each other on one thing often wanting to reach out about something else, the group/subgroup schema can keep all parties - those desiring something close to topic purity, and those who wish to be able to venture farther afield - happy and out of each other's respective hair and inboxes.
 
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Re: Finally, got an alt tab breaking log, I think

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That link wants a log in, you should use dropbox its less annoying.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com>
To: "Nvda List" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 5:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] Finally, got an alt tab braking log, I think


Well, alt tab broke so got the log right when it happened and restarted
nvda . I was trying to write this on windows but thunder bird lagged
so badly I could not write the email.

Anyway here is a link to the log file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AOtt0hSM2KdVjyQ

I hope that helps someone. It happened at about 9 something pdt this
morning.



Re: requesting link to chat group

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Things tend to go in fits and starts on lists. I have always noticed that.
I do however have a supplemental question. What is the difference between a sub group and a different group, ie

This list and a group completely differently named rather than a list with nvda in its name but having chat in its name.
I don't think there is any true difference. it might be better if there was just a list of lists and left at that.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 3:51 PM
Subject: [nvda] requesting link to chat group


Can anyone provide the link to the chat group? I have few tech questions, not realted to NVDA. I tried the Blind tech group, but it's not very active.
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Sarah k Alawami
 

I herd from them today. They said I needed to tell them the computer having issues through the security part of the site and they asked me to reply with the email linked to my dropbox which was weird. I have not gotten such an odd reply like that. They said they needed to take this up with a special security team or something like that.

On 12 Mar 2019, at 9:10, Tony Malykh wrote:

I have been experiencing the same bug with Dropbox since last week. I have a friend who works at Dropbox and I asked her to report it - she reported it directly to the right team - the one working on UI of Windows desktop client. Hopefully they'll fix it sooner now.

--Tony


On 2/24/2019 7:32 AM, James Scholes wrote:

Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so, NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0 pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes



Finally, got an alt tab breaking log, I think

Sarah k Alawami
 

Well, alt tab broke so got the log right when it happened and restarted nvda . I was trying to write this on windows but thunder bird lagged so badly I could not write the email.

Anyway here is a link to the log file.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AOtt0hSM2KdVjyQ

I hope that helps someone. It happened at about 9 something pdt this morning.


locked Re: NVDA for Android and IOS

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I have to take exception to the statement that in the dos days there was no access at all. There were many more dos screen readers than there has ever been windows screen readers, so that part of your email is completely wrong, but otherwise, I can't disagree with anything stated.

On Tue, 12 Mar 2019, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well to be honest what we really need to remember is why we got jaws, before
freedom scientiffic became the real bad boy it is now, and other readers.
Back in the dos days there was no accessibility at all.
Nothing much came from microsoft's end.
This continued through to windows 95.
In windows 98, microsoft started the active accessibility libraries which
improved things but not that much.
In 2003 or there abouts with help from gwmicro the direct chain manager was
done so you could handle readers in a multiple chained process, before that
you made your own chains but they were unstable.
Basically the first screen reader was your video card, which was part of the
next reader up till the end, the last screen reader was your video card.
Start one out of sync, run 2 at once, remove and or uninstall things in an
unordered fashion and you broke the chain.
There were 2 ways to fix this.
1.  remove the chain, reinstall the video drivers and make another one.
Or just reformat.
Which I did a lot of.
You needed technical experience to make the reg files for  the chain and
while I got dolphin support to construct one, it was as fragile as a glass
window, and not that good.
The dcm became mirror drivers in vista and 7 and then in windows 8 microsoft
started the universal access librarys we all love and loath.
The reason jaws and others existed was simply because microsoft didn't come
to the party till late.
Even when xp to 7 came up, microsoft never really put much into narator.
It was just after the laws came in going against those that didn't make
stuff accessible.
It probably also helped that after the death of outspoken and all the new
laws, apple not only showed that it could make an accessible reader but
showed off that it could make something better than waht was about at the
time.
Voiceover has its limits of course but it is in all the programs and devices
now.
Google, same with talkback but there were others at first in droid.
So eventually microsoft had to move.
The reason we are seeing the reader industry shrinking now is possibly
because microsoft is pulling its weight and attempting to catch up to all
the rest.
Now narator is nothing against nvda but its close.
Narator is not jaws.
But its big enough as a bold new kid on the block, not fully grown mind you
that it is shifting mountains if only smaller ones.
Time will tell with businesses if this means the death of jaws or other
readers, sadly dolphin seem to be in no hurry to improve at any speed so
sadly they may die.
I have used their stuff for ages now but still.
Of course the fact we are using a more or less web based interface both
inside  of our oses now and online on websites and web based programs does
help.
There was a time where anything went and while there are a few bad acters
about its not as bad a landscape as it was 5 years back.
There is one end of the road in the screen readers though.
And this isn't actually jaws, either we have reached the inovation curve and
thats not likely because nvda is still inovating things.
Its almost like the comercial guys can't be bothered either that or ms is
moving to fast with their current model.
Or maybe we can accept that most of them have just about done everything
they set out to do and who knows.
As an os, while I really like win10's ease of use, search, and a few other
apps, and shortcuts, the only reason I wouldn't go back to 7 is simply
because 10 in some ways needs less shortcuts to get things done and less key
presses.
On the flipside without my hacking tweaking tools win10 would be quite
hellish.
On the systems I admin which are not mine there are issues, and I hate
ribbons.
Most everything else I can get used to.
On 12/03/2019 3:04 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:


Re: Reviewing the screen, help

 

Steve,

          That would be fine if everything were there, neat and tidy, but most often it isn't.   If I want a collected group of manual pages for some random smattering of commands using redirect for the first entry and append for the rest is the easiest way to do it.  There's no need for intermediate files, either.  You just keep adding on to the end of the existing one.

           But, as I've said on many occasions, there are many roads that lead to Rome.  Anyone should use the technique they're most comfortable with, and if someone wants to create intermediate files using redirect for each command, then using a mass copy, that's fine too.  One thing that one has to be aware of, though, is that if the last line of each file isn't a blank one (or the first line, for that matter), when the files copy they concatenate one after another and the last character of the one before will be followed immediately by the first character of the one after, and this can lead to some interesting results when it comes to reading.

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Re: Reviewing the screen, help

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Jean,

 

Reviewing the screen live with NVDA will never be practical until we have screen search, which we don’t have.  In a DOS prompt, you can get loads of stuff thrown at you.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 08 March 2019 16:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help

 

I'm not sure what you are saying.  Try being at the Command Prompt and typing something like dir and pressing enter.  the point is to get information on the screen, it doesn't matter just what you do to get text displayed.

Now, try moving with numpad 7 and numpad 9.  To hear the current line, use numpad 8.  All these commands are just numpad keys by themselves, not in combination with numpad insert or anything else.  Can you move around the screen? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, March 08, 2019 10:25 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help

 

It used to be easier, seriously?
Since I started using this prompt it kept the very same way. When it was different? Surely I'd rather the old way then :)


Cheers,
Marcio

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Em 08/03/2019 10:41, Howard Traxler escreveu:

Thank you Marcio.  It sure does work; Although it's quite a lot of stuff to do when it used to be so easy.

 

 

On 3/7/2019 8:18 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,
I also couldn't figure out a way of reading the information presented on the screen.
As a workaround, if you want, you could try what follows:
1. Being on the prompt, press "ALT+Spacebar"
2. Up/down arrow until you find "edit" and press enter
3. Up/down arrow until you find "select all" and press enter.
You've just selected all the content which is on the screen at this point.
4. Press "ALT+Spacebar" again
5. Up/down arrow until "edit"
6. Up/down arrow until "copy".
You've just copied what you selected. Now all that content is on your clipboard.
7. Open Notepad and paste the content there so you can read.

Hth


Cheers,
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Em 07/03/2019 22:58, Howard Traxler escreveu:

Hi all,


Using NVDA in Windows 10:


When I "run" the cmd command I get the system command prompt. Then I type in a command such as DIR or shutdown followed by slash question mark.  I get a screen full of command line switch options but I can't figure out how to get NVDA to read them to me. Probably one of the review modes, but I just can't figure it out. Can anyone help, please?


Thanks.

Howard




 

 


Re: Reviewing the screen, help

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

There’s an easier way to get a whole manual to a single file.

 

Make sure they are numbered such as Chapter01.txt, Chapter02.txt, etc.  Now use the command “Copy *.txt manual.txt, and all is done.

 

All the best

 

Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 08 March 2019 03:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reviewing the screen, help*

 

In a Command Prompt window, if I hit CTRL+Home it takes me back to the beginning of the command prompt session and starts reading from the line that gives the Microsoft Version (which is the first line and keeps on going).

That being said, if you really want to review the output of a command where you've used the slash question mark switch, it's much easier to redirect the output to a text file so that you can open that in Notepad or the text editor of your choice to review at your leisure.

For example, in a command prompt session, if you enter the following:

DIR /? > %HOMEPATH%\Diroptions.txt

the file Diroptions.txt will exist under C:\Users\{your user}.  When you open command prompt, you're already sitting in your HOMEPATH folder.  If you want you could also specify:

DIR /? > .\Diroptions.txt

and Diroptions.txt will be in the very folder you're sitting in when you run the DIR command (provided you're somewhere you have permission to write to).  You technically don't even have to have the period and backslash before the text file name if you want it to be placed in the same folder where you're currently sitting.

If you want to put the manual pages for more than one command into a single text file, use the redirect, >, operator for the first command output, but for all the other ones you want tacked on after that use the append, >>, operator instead.

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Re: Invisible Dropbox pop-ups

Tony Malykh
 

I have been experiencing the same bug with Dropbox since last week. I have a friend who works at Dropbox and I asked her to report it - she reported it directly to the right team - the one working on UI of Windows desktop client. Hopefully they'll fix it sooner now.

--Tony

On 2/24/2019 7:32 AM, James Scholes wrote:
Hi all,

I'm running Dropbox v68.3.92.  Approximately every half an hour or so, NVDA's focus is being moved to a Dropbox window which only seems to contain a single, blank edit field.  The window doesn't seem to stay on the screen, but focus isn't returned to where it was previously after it disappears.  In fact, NVDA reports it as taking up a rectangle of 0 pixels, so I don't know if anything shows up visually on the screen at all.

As you can imagine, having to dismiss these boxes several times per day is irritating.  Does anybody have a work-around?

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes


Re: requesting link to chat group

Gene
 

Perhaps there is more than one group with a similar name.  The Blindtech group, that is just named Blindtech is active.  I estimate I get about forty or fifty messages a day. 
 
I don't have the exact subscription address.  If someone doesn't send it, I'll check.
 
There is another similar list, Techtalk. 
 
To join, send a blank e-mail to:
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 10:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] requesting link to chat group

Can anyone provide the link to the chat group? I have few tech questions, not realted to NVDA. I tried the Blind tech group, but it's not very active.
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Regards,
Sociohack


Re: requesting link to chat group

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 8:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] requesting link to chat group

 

Can anyone provide the link to the chat group? I have few tech questions, not realted to NVDA. I tried the Blind tech group, but it's not very active.
--
Regards,
Sociohack