Date   

Using Thunderbird

John J. Boyer
 

I have three accounts. How do I get to a list of them and then pick the
account I want to use? Then look at the inbox, send messages etc.?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.


Touch cursor support

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Hi all,


I'm really seeing the power of the Jaws touch cursor commands, and it makes me curious as to NVDA's capabilities. Does NVDA have such a thing, whether or not it have the same name as it does in Jaws?


By touch cursor, I mean where it'll give users without a touch screen very similar functionality to those with a touch screen using the keyboard only.


Thanks,


Ben


how to find out what's new since I last update the next snapshot

Stephen
 

Hi there.
I would like to get a list of what's changed since (NVDA)
Version: next-13306,69e86e83
before downloading the latest next snapshot. Is there an easy way of doing this?
Thanks.


Re: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10

 

Hi,
Some developers are working on fixes for upcoming Anniversary Update. Please hold off until NVDA 2016.3 is released.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of ??? Victor Cai
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10

Hi all,
Windows10 has been released for almost one year. Is this still the case?

Here is a quote from NV Access (Last update: 5 April 2016 00:25 UTC):
we recommend that most users delay upgrading to or purchasing a computer with Windows 10 until further notice.
resource from:
http://www.nvaccess.org/win10/

Regards,

Victor Cai


[NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10

蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
 

Hi all,
Windows10 has been released for almost one year. Is this still the case?

Here is a quote from NV Access (Last update: 5 April 2016 00:25 UTC):
we recommend that most users delay upgrading to or purchasing a computer with Windows 10 until further notice.
resource from:
http://www.nvaccess.org/win10/

Regards,

Victor Cai


Re: OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release firefox

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I tried googling and couldn't find it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor
staten
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 6:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release
firefox

Google Thunderbird nightly. It does exist.





On 6/30/2016 8:34 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Is there a thunderbird nightly? Just wondering.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Governor staten
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of
pre-release firefox

If you google Firefox nightly, that should do the trick. HTH











On 6/30/2016 1:38 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:


Sorry, but, just reinstalled my windows 10 64 bit machine from
scratch, for a clean install, and, immediately, firefox seems to be
crashing way too often, and, at times makes NVDA seemingly get
confused, and, know last time, switching over to a sort of pre-release
version of firefox helped, but, can't find the relevant install links in
my mail archives, etc.

However, know it was someone on this list who helped me out last
time..?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."








Re: OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release firefox

 

Google Thunderbird nightly. It does exist.

On 6/30/2016 8:34 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Is there a thunderbird nightly? Just wondering.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor
staten
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release
firefox

If you google Firefox nightly, that should do the trick. HTH











On 6/30/2016 1:38 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:


Sorry, but, just reinstalled my windows 10 64 bit machine from
scratch, for a clean install, and, immediately, firefox seems to be crashing
way too often, and, at times makes NVDA seemingly get confused, and, know
last time, switching over to a sort of pre-release version of firefox
helped, but, can't find the relevant install links in my mail archives, etc.

However, know it was someone on this list who helped me out last
time..?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."








Re: OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release firefox

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Is there a thunderbird nightly? Just wondering.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Governor
staten
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release
firefox

If you google Firefox nightly, that should do the trick. HTH











On 6/30/2016 1:38 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:


Sorry, but, just reinstalled my windows 10 64 bit machine from
scratch, for a clean install, and, immediately, firefox seems to be crashing
way too often, and, at times makes NVDA seemingly get confused, and, know
last time, switching over to a sort of pre-release version of firefox
helped, but, can't find the relevant install links in my mail archives, etc.

However, know it was someone on this list who helped me out last
time..?

TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."


Re: noticed reading issues

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi,

Since I upgraded to Win10, I am noticing some sluggishness in Windows explorer, Outlook 2013, and at times it is slow responding to keyboard commands in Word and Outlook.  I have to issue the command twice to get a response.

I appreciate the help and learning I am getting from the list.

Thanks and blessings to all

Pascal  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading

 

Chris,

            And what I'm telling you is that the first version of the question does not read correctly, to my ears, in either NVDA or Window-Eyes and the second two read precisely the same way.

            Since double exclamation points and double question marks (and/or combinations thereof) are not uncommon I have no issue with a screen reader reading these without any extra string of punctuation.

            I agree that a terminal space before the question mark itself is syntactically incorrect and the words should be read followed by "question mark" announcing the punctuation.  There is no case in written English that I know of where a question mark can "free float" and be syntactically correct.  It is always firmly attached to the final word in a question construction.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    

 


Re: Some issues with NVDA's reading

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene,

I've seen double exclamation marks in written documents byt not double question marks. I also feel that a screen reader should tell you if there are double marks. I'd want to know that.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading

I've almost never seen double anything in written dialog. I don't read much Braille any longer but I used to read a good deal of Braille and I don't recall ever seeing a double question mark. I do recall, rarely, seeing double exclamation marks. But a screen-reader should not ignore such things. It should let the reader know, in some way, that these nonstandard constructions are present. If it doesn't, it's worthless as a way to proofread a document where proper formal writing matters.

If you want to argue that the user should be able to turn off such notifications, that's a different question. But a screen-reader should alert the reader if a document has extra spaces between words, or nonstandard constructions such as double question marks or double exclamation marks or periods.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading


What?!! I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you!!!

[Look about. Neither of the above is an uncommon construction, particularly in written dialog.]
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"


Re: Some issues with NVDA's reading

Gene
 

I've almost never seen double anything in written dialog.  I don't read much Braille any longer but I used to read a good deal of Braille and I don't recall ever seeing a double question mark.  I do recall, rarely, seeing double exclamation marks.  But a screen-reader should not ignore such things.  It should let the reader know, in some way, that these nonstandard constructions are present.  If it doesn't, it's worthless as a way to proofread a document where proper formal writing matters. 
 
If you want to argue that the user should be able to turn off such notifications, that's a different question.  But a screen-reader should alert the reader if a document has extra spaces between words, or nonstandard constructions such as double question marks or double exclamation marks or periods. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading

What?!!   I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you!!!

[Look about.  Neither of the above is an uncommon construction, particularly in written dialog.]
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Some issues with NVDA's reading

 

What?!!   I'm shocked, shocked, I tell you!!!

[Look about.  Neither of the above is an uncommon construction, particularly in written dialog.]
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Some issues with NVDA's reading

Gene
 

I don't usually see double question marks or double exclamation points.  And such are far more likely to be the result of errors.  Again, a screen-reader should not treat nonstandard syntax as though it was standard syntax. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading

Chris,

            And what I'm telling you is that the first version of the question does not read correctly, to my ears, in either NVDA or Window-Eyes and the second two read precisely the same way.

            Since double exclamation points and double question marks (and/or combinations thereof) are not uncommon I have no issue with a screen reader reading these without any extra string of punctuation.

            I agree that a terminal space before the question mark itself is syntactically incorrect and the words should be read followed by "question mark" announcing the punctuation.  There is no case in written English that I know of where a question mark can "free float" and be syntactically correct.  It is always firmly attached to the final word in a question construction.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Some issues with NVDA's reading

 

Chris,

            And what I'm telling you is that the first version of the question does not read correctly, to my ears, in either NVDA or Window-Eyes and the second two read precisely the same way.

            Since double exclamation points and double question marks (and/or combinations thereof) are not uncommon I have no issue with a screen reader reading these without any extra string of punctuation.

            I agree that a terminal space before the question mark itself is syntactically incorrect and the words should be read followed by "question mark" announcing the punctuation.  There is no case in written English that I know of where a question mark can "free float" and be syntactically correct.  It is always firmly attached to the final word in a question construction.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Some issues with NVDA's reading

Chris Mullins
 

Have you altered the Punctuation/Symbols/pronunciation settings in the NVDA preferences menu to try and obtain your desired results?

Personally, I think the first sentence is syntactically correct and should speak with rising intonation at the end without announcing the question mark symbol and the other two sentences should announce the question mark symbols. I achieved this by by setting the sentence ending question to all and always and the question mark symbol to most and below symbol level.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Paulius
Sent: 30 June 2016 14:47
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading

Hi group!
I just found some strange NVDA's reading issues that I think need to be fixed:
I will write 3 same sentences but with diffrent punctuation.:
Any questions?
Any questions??
Any questions ?
So, what's the difference? NVDA doesn't show these are the questions when the question mark is after space or when it is more than 1 question mark into the same sentence.

I hope this will be fixed.
Sincerely,
Paulius Leveris


a quick question about a refreshabraille 18 display

brandon
 

Hello all,
This is just a quick question does anyone know how to make a refreshabraille 18 have a backspace key?
I know you can do enter but you cannot do a backspace command with this display is there a work around for this?
Thanks in advance,
Brandon,
Reed


Re: OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release firefox

 

I'm glad I could help.





On 6/30/2016 2:40 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Thanks.
 
Busy downloading it now.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release firefox

Here's the more direct way. If you google, this should be the first result in the search: https://nightly.mozilla.org/




On 6/30/2016 1:38 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Sorry, but, just reinstalled my windows 10 64 bit machine from scratch, for a clean install, and, immediately, firefox seems to be crashing way too often, and, at times makes NVDA seemingly get confused, and, know last time, switching over to a sort of pre-release version of firefox helped, but, can't find the relevant install links in my mail archives, etc.
 
However, know it was someone on this list who helped me out last time..?
 
TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."



Re: OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release firefox

Jacob Kruger
 

Thanks.
 
Busy downloading it now.
 
Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release firefox

Here's the more direct way. If you google, this should be the first result in the search: https://nightly.mozilla.org/




On 6/30/2016 1:38 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Sorry, but, just reinstalled my windows 10 64 bit machine from scratch, for a clean install, and, immediately, firefox seems to be crashing way too often, and, at times makes NVDA seemingly get confused, and, know last time, switching over to a sort of pre-release version of firefox helped, but, can't find the relevant install links in my mail archives, etc.
 
However, know it was someone on this list who helped me out last time..?
 
TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."


Re: OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release firefox

 

Here's the more direct way. If you google, this should be the first result in the search: https://nightly.mozilla.org/




On 6/30/2016 1:38 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Sorry, but, just reinstalled my windows 10 64 bit machine from scratch, for a clean install, and, immediately, firefox seems to be crashing way too often, and, at times makes NVDA seemingly get confused, and, know last time, switching over to a sort of pre-release version of firefox helped, but, can't find the relevant install links in my mail archives, etc.
 
However, know it was someone on this list who helped me out last time..?
 
TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."


Re: OT: How to, again, switch over to sort of pre-release firefox

 

If you google Firefox nightly, that should do the trick. HTH





On 6/30/2016 1:38 PM, Jacob Kruger wrote:
Sorry, but, just reinstalled my windows 10 64 bit machine from scratch, for a clean install, and, immediately, firefox seems to be crashing way too often, and, at times makes NVDA seemingly get confused, and, know last time, switching over to a sort of pre-release version of firefox helped, but, can't find the relevant install links in my mail archives, etc.
 
However, know it was someone on this list who helped me out last time..?
 
TIA

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."