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Re: Why does NVDA say torado instead of tornado?

Steve Nomer
 

Oops, please excuse this last post...I inadvertently sent it to the wrong recipient!


Steve


On 3/17/2019 3:10 AM, Steve Nomer via Groups.Io wrote:

You know, I still haven't found that song you are looking for. Maybe you could call the LUV Line and sing a bit of it to me. The melody might trigger a memory in  my smoggy noggin!


Steve


On 3/17/2019 3:00 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Because these are abreviations.

And, actually, it's not NVDA, it's the synthesizer being used.

This happens because of how these synths were programmed. So if whoever has programmed your synth has inserted into its code that "MB" next to a number should be read as megabyte, it's going to happen in any way.


Cheers,
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Em 17/03/2019 03:20, enes sarıbaş escreveu:
hi,

I have a related question, why does NVDA expand stuff like kg, mbps, ms when written without spaces next to numbers, as kilograms, megabytes per second etc?

On 3/15/2019 4:52 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
I’ve just noticed that voiceover on the iPhone does the same thing! What is it about the word tornado!

Sile
On Mar 15, 2019, at 4:38 AM, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

Could it be Vocalizer? I must try that...

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 15/03/2019 03:40, Travis Siegel ha scritto:
I haven't noticed this behavior on NVDA, but the iPhone does this all the time, and it irritates the hell out of me.

On 3/14/2019 7:43 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, why does NVDA say to Rado when the word tornado is capitalized but tornado when it is not?

Sile
















Re: Why does NVDA say torado instead of tornado?

Steve Nomer
 

You know, I still haven't found that song you are looking for. Maybe you could call the LUV Line and sing a bit of it to me. The melody might trigger a memory in  my smoggy noggin!


Steve


On 3/17/2019 3:00 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Because these are abreviations.

And, actually, it's not NVDA, it's the synthesizer being used.

This happens because of how these synths were programmed. So if whoever has programmed your synth has inserted into its code that "MB" next to a number should be read as megabyte, it's going to happen in any way.


Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Em 17/03/2019 03:20, enes sarıbaş escreveu:
hi,

I have a related question, why does NVDA expand stuff like kg, mbps, ms when written without spaces next to numbers, as kilograms, megabytes per second etc?

On 3/15/2019 4:52 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
I’ve just noticed that voiceover on the iPhone does the same thing! What is it about the word tornado!

Sile
On Mar 15, 2019, at 4:38 AM, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

Could it be Vocalizer? I must try that...

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 15/03/2019 03:40, Travis Siegel ha scritto:
I haven't noticed this behavior on NVDA, but the iPhone does this all the time, and it irritates the hell out of me.

On 3/14/2019 7:43 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, why does NVDA say to Rado when the word tornado is capitalized but tornado when it is not?

Sile
















Re: Why does NVDA say torado instead of tornado?

 

Because these are abreviations.

And, actually, it's not NVDA, it's the synthesizer being used.

This happens because of how these synths were programmed. So if whoever has programmed your synth has inserted into its code that "MB" next to a number should be read as megabyte, it's going to happen in any way.


Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Em 17/03/2019 03:20, enes sarıbaş escreveu:

hi,

I have a related question, why does NVDA expand stuff like kg, mbps, ms when written without spaces next to numbers, as kilograms, megabytes per second etc?

On 3/15/2019 4:52 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
I’ve just noticed that voiceover on the iPhone does the same thing! What is it about the word tornado!

Sile
On Mar 15, 2019, at 4:38 AM, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

Could it be Vocalizer? I must try that...

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 15/03/2019 03:40, Travis Siegel ha scritto:
I haven't noticed this behavior on NVDA, but the iPhone does this all the time, and it irritates the hell out of me.

On 3/14/2019 7:43 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, why does NVDA say to Rado when the word tornado is capitalized but tornado when it is not?

Sile
















Re: Why does NVDA say torado instead of tornado?

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

I have a related question, why does NVDA expand stuff like kg, mbps, ms when written without spaces next to numbers, as kilograms, megabytes per second etc?

On 3/15/2019 4:52 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
I’ve just noticed that voiceover on the iPhone does the same thing! What is it about the word tornado!

Sile
On Mar 15, 2019, at 4:38 AM, Mallard <mallard@...> wrote:

Could it be Vocalizer? I must try that...

Ciao,

Ollie




Il 15/03/2019 03:40, Travis Siegel ha scritto:
I haven't noticed this behavior on NVDA, but the iPhone does this all the time, and it irritates the hell out of me.

On 3/14/2019 7:43 PM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, why does NVDA say to Rado when the word tornado is capitalized but tornado when it is not?

Sile





Re: strange issue likely NVDA related

Lisa P Geibel
 

Hi everyone,

SMILE We had this issue with Dropbox and it was so bad my husband was threatening to uninstall Dropbox unless I could fix it. Praise God, I was able to fix it for us at least. We're running the latest NVDA version with the latest Dropbox version and have a Lenovo computer in case that comes into play for anyone. I just followed someone's instructions and went into the Task Manager and stopped Dropbox from loading when the computer starts. After a restart of the computer is done, that fixed the problem, but if I go back into Dropbox through the system tray, which is how I have to do it now, I have to also click on the context key when I'm finished using Dropbox and exit it. We haven't had any problems like this thankfully since doing that. Is it a pain? Yes, as I forget to exit it sometimes, but I'd rather this than losing Dropbox and having to reinstall it later.

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On 3/16/2019 8:55 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

This seems like a well known issue, and even today I saw a person reporting it on the other list.

Specially on this list this case is being discussed for a long time now. Surely you'll get more answers on this one :)


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Em 16/03/2019 20:55, ken lawrence via Groups.Io escreveu:

Hi list ken here. Every so often on the computer dropbox will start to say what it usually says when it’s first starting. “dropbox c:program files .x86 and the up to date button and launch dropbox paper and so forth. It is completely random and it comes without warning. I posted a question to our radio station list and one other user is saying the same thing. Like me this other DJ on out of sight radio is using NVDA. I just double checked the addon and it’s up to date I have the latest version. According to this other user she’s not hearing this with jaws users on the station. She thinks NVDA is seeing something other screen readers don’t any ideas?  Thanks.

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another Zotero question

enes sarıbaş
 

hi all,

So I am back with another question. Does anyone here know how  to duplicate citations from one folder to another? in Zotero? The sighted do this through drag and drop. Standard copy and past commands have no effect.


Re: Nvda and the International phonetic Alphabet, (IPA)

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also read character by character as well when I took my diction for singers class in 2013. Everyone did it and my teacher insisted I do that to. It was hard but I am actually quite surprised I passed the class with a decent grade. But yes reading character by character is almost a must in this class.

On 16 Mar 2019, at 16:48, Teri McElroy wrote:

Hi Brian

I just wanted to comment on this one. Reading character by character is more fair than having a speech synthesizer be able to read a whole word phonetically. If a blind student is studying linguistics, having their synthesizer be able to read phonetic words would give that student an unfair advantage over sighted students who have to read a phonetic transcription character by character.


Teri

On 15-Mar-19 4:20 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Enes,

        The way I read the open issue is that the function of reading a phonetic transcription as it sounds is what's wanted. It's not 100% clear, but strongly suggested.

        The way I read the request here is to read a phonetic transcription not as it sounds, but broken into atomic units, and not by sound, but by character name of each phoneme (not the sound of the phoneme itself).  Very much more akin to reading words letter by letter, but where each letter is the IPA character name (or description, as vowels are generally described rather than named).
--

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          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


Learning page number in MS Word

Jeff Samco
 

I know that NVDA plus NumPad end key  will give the position of the cursor on the current page in Word. But, in a multiple-page document is there a way to know which page one is editing?
TIA,
Jeff


Re: Thunderbird with NVDA

Gene
 

I'm not sure how you are reading mail.  Is the view pane opened?  If it is, pressing tab may be taking you from the message list to the view pane and the message is being read there.
 
Gene.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

I am using it now, the subject does not repeat, and using tabs seems to read the entire message using NVDA I press delete to go to the next message, etc.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/16/2019 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
You can use the read to end command.  I saw someone propose another solution but I don't know how well it works.  it is changing whether messages open in a new tab or window or whatever the choice is.  You can see if changing it works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

I have the latest Thunderbird.


Is there a way to suppress reading the title of message when it opens? 
NVDA and Jaws both read the title as much as 3 times when I open a
message from the list.

I think one time is because the message pain is opening.  Then the next
is the screen reader saying the title of the window. Then saying the
title of the document.  This gets very old fast.  I have automatic
document reading on.


Please point me in to documentation that might help.





Re: Thunderbird with NVDA

Curtis Delzer
 

I am using it now, the subject does not repeat, and using tabs seems to read the entire message using NVDA I press delete to go to the next message, etc.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 3/16/2019 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:

You can use the read to end command.  I saw someone propose another solution but I don't know how well it works.  it is changing whether messages open in a new tab or window or whatever the choice is.  You can see if changing it works.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

I have the latest Thunderbird.


Is there a way to suppress reading the title of message when it opens? 
NVDA and Jaws both read the title as much as 3 times when I open a
message from the list.

I think one time is because the message pain is opening.  Then the next
is the screen reader saying the title of the window. Then saying the
title of the document.  This gets very old fast.  I have automatic
document reading on.


Please point me in to documentation that might help.





Re: strange issue likely NVDA related

 

This seems like a well known issue, and even today I saw a person reporting it on the other list.

Specially on this list this case is being discussed for a long time now. Surely you'll get more answers on this one :)


Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy
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Em 16/03/2019 20:55, ken lawrence via Groups.Io escreveu:

Hi list ken here. Every so often on the computer dropbox will start to say what it usually says when it’s first starting. “dropbox c:program files .x86 and the up to date button and launch dropbox paper and so forth. It is completely random and it comes without warning. I posted a question to our radio station list and one other user is saying the same thing. Like me this other DJ on out of sight radio is using NVDA. I just double checked the addon and it’s up to date I have the latest version. According to this other user she’s not hearing this with jaws users on the station. She thinks NVDA is seeing something other screen readers don’t any ideas?  Thanks. 

 

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strange issue likely NVDA related

ken lawrence
 

Hi list ken here. Every so often on the computer dropbox will start to say what it usually says when it’s first starting. “dropbox c:program files .x86 and the up to date button and launch dropbox paper and so forth. It is completely random and it comes without warning. I posted a question to our radio station list and one other user is saying the same thing. Like me this other DJ on out of sight radio is using NVDA. I just double checked the addon and it’s up to date I have the latest version. According to this other user she’s not hearing this with jaws users on the station. She thinks NVDA is seeing something other screen readers don’t any ideas?  Thanks. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Nvda and the International phonetic Alphabet, (IPA)

Teri McElroy <shimzin.lists@...>
 

Hi Brian

I just wanted to comment on this one. Reading character by character is more fair than having a speech synthesizer be able to read a whole word phonetically. If a blind student is studying linguistics, having their synthesizer be able to read phonetic words would give that student an unfair advantage over sighted students who have to read a phonetic transcription character by character.


Teri

On 15-Mar-19 4:20 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Enes,

        The way I read the open issue is that the function of reading a phonetic transcription as it sounds is what's wanted. It's not 100% clear, but strongly suggested.

        The way I read the request here is to read a phonetic transcription not as it sounds, but broken into atomic units, and not by sound, but by character name of each phoneme (not the sound of the phoneme itself).  Very much more akin to reading words letter by letter, but where each letter is the IPA character name (or description, as vowels are generally described rather than named).
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep./*

          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


Is NVDA using the wrong type of widget (tree) to show the headings in the Elements List dialog?

glen.walker@...
 

Go to webaim.org and bring up the list of headings (Ins+F7).

WebAIM has two h2s before the main h1. NVDA displays all the headings using a tree widget but a tree usually has the root node at the top. In this case, NVDA displays the first two h2s and the main h1 all as sibling tree nodes at "level 0". After the h1, everything else is correct but it makes it appear that there are three h1s on the page, which is not correct.

To add to the confusion, the heading levels are not announced, presumably because NVDA is relying on the tree level to be announced, although the tree level is 0-based and heading levels are 1-based.

When I navigate the tree using the down arrow, I hear:

  • "WebAIM - Web Accessibility In Mind  1 of 3  level 0"
  • "Main Navigation  2 of 3  level 0"
  • "We have web accessibility in mind  expanded  3 of 3  level 0"
They all say "level 0", implying they have the same heading level.

If I keep navigating down the tree, I'll then hear more h2s under the main h1:

  • Accessibility Training  1 of 11
  • Accessible Site Certification  2 of 11  level 1
  • Technical Assistance  3 of 11  level 1

The first two h2s should be on the same level as these latter h2s but I don't think the tree widget will allow that, so perhaps using a tree widget in the headings element list is not the appropriate widget.

It might help if the actual heading level were also listed in the tree.  At least then I'd hear "heading level 2" for the first two h2s and even though they'd still be on "level 0" of the tree.


Windows 10 App Essentials 19.03.2 bug fix release #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

Yes, I do know for the fact that WeatherPlus 5 is out (just because I am in vacation doesn’t mean I’m not checking messages from time to time).

 

Windows 10 App Essentials 19.03.2 is now available (a corresponding development snapshot will hit the air soon). This release fixes an issue where NVDA may appear to do nothing or play error tones if the add-on becomes active in unsupported Windows 10 releases. This fix is useful for those who’d like to take a portable copy of NVDA with the add-on installed on a flash drive.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: losing braille

Brian Tew
 

Jaws demo is also on the machine and brltty.
I posted the log here:



Re: μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of entries.

JM Casey
 

Of course, with any software, but especially something like a torrent client, it’s always advisable to know both the implications fo what you are getting into, and how said software works.

 

I don’t know what version this started with,  because I don’t recall this ever happening on my XP machine, but uTorrent now stays running in the background if you don’t close it using the file menu method. So, if you just hit alt-f4 to close most of your programmes, as I usually do, you might not be aware that the torrent client is still running and that torrents are probably still active. It even automatically reloads when you reboot your system. Literally the only way to properly and really shut it down is by using the “close” option in the file menu. If a user is unaware of that, well, then yeah, he might end up with the problem you described there.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Clement
Sent: March 16, 2019 1:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of entries.

 

 Hello, 

 

While I agree with the community sharing aspect of torrent-like software, one does need to understand how they work and the implications of the process. Here is one experience I had about ten years ago. I hope that today's technology helps one manage this situation better. 

 

A friend who was using a torrent service on his then new computer asked me to help with a severe performance problem on his system. Everything he tried to do on the PC was taking a very long time. Logging on to the internet was taking over five minutes. Opening a program was taking 2-3 minutes. Even simple typing was taking 30-45 seconds for his typed characters to appear on the screen. 

 

After a lot of checking, we finally discovered that the problem was being caused by the hytorrent process. He had used it to download lots of movies and music and did not realize the upload implications of doing so. He did not understand the upload side of the software. When we dug into it we found that over 20 other users were actively uploading some of that material from his PC. These uploads were consuming over 90% of his cpu and his hard disk was working like mad to service the upload requests. Once we used the controls  available in the upload software to put some bounds and limits on how much of his system the upload process could consume, his system became useable again. 

 

As I say, one does need to learn about the software products they are using. In his case, he spent over a week with a system he could barely use and was almost at the point of scrapping his PC and buying a new one, which would not truly have helped him. Learning the software and its capabilities saved him from a needless purchase and enabled him to continue sharing material via the torrent approach for several more years. 

 

Dave Clement

Winnipeg MB

 


On Mar 15, 2019, at 3:48 PM, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:

Torrents are all about colaboration with each other.

Many people after downloading what they want just remove the torrent from the list of download, which at this point is upload, which is a mistake and a sense of selfish.

When it comes to torrent, the more people sharing the same one, the better and faster to download it.

And it won't hurt to let it use one or two KBs of your internet to allow a faster download for the folks interested in that torrent.

Now imagine if everyone would think this way? It would be wonderful to the community!

 

About viruses, well, if you know what and from where you are downloading, chances you get some sort of virus are less than minimal :)


Cheers,
Marcio

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Em 15/03/2019 14:06, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:



I did stop using torrents as almost everything I got had viruses or malware included in it or took literally weeks to get!

 Brian


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----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, March 15, 2019 10:54 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] μTorrent 3.5.4: NVDA does't read the name in the list of entries.

 

Actually this program has this little annoyance with NVDA, and I suspect it does with any screen reader.

As a workaround, when you reach the point where NVDA reports about the download in question, just press F2.

Yes, that's the command to rename a file, but doing it you'll be able to see the current name of the download you're focused into and after you're done with it you can just press esc to exit it without changing the info on the field.

 

Hth

 


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Em 15/03/2019 07:45, ChrisLeo escreveu:

Hi,
in the lists of entries, like Download or inSeeding etc., apears a column for the names of each item in list.
NVDA reads from size column  to the following columns, but not the name of the selected entry.

Does anyone know    about uTorrent settings more friendly for NVDA?

I'm using NVDA 2018.4.1 and last beta 2019.1BETA1, uTorrent 3.5.4 portable.

Thanks,


Re: Thunderbird with NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Having the keyboard set to skim mode and pressing up-arrow on a message works too.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 9:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

 

You can use the read to end command.  I saw someone propose another solution but I don't know how well it works.  it is changing whether messages open in a new tab or window or whatever the choice is.  You can see if changing it works.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:45 AM

Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

 

I have the latest Thunderbird.


Is there a way to suppress reading the title of message when it opens? 
NVDA and Jaws both read the title as much as 3 times when I open a
message from the list.

I think one time is because the message pain is opening.  Then the next
is the screen reader saying the title of the window. Then saying the
title of the document.  This gets very old fast.  I have automatic
document reading on.


Please point me in to documentation that might help.



 


Re: Thunderbird with NVDA

Gene
 

You can use the read to end command.  I saw someone propose another solution but I don't know how well it works.  it is changing whether messages open in a new tab or window or whatever the choice is.  You can see if changing it works.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:45 AM
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

I have the latest Thunderbird.


Is there a way to suppress reading the title of message when it opens? 
NVDA and Jaws both read the title as much as 3 times when I open a
message from the list.

I think one time is because the message pain is opening.  Then the next
is the screen reader saying the title of the window. Then saying the
title of the document.  This gets very old fast.  I have automatic
document reading on.


Please point me in to documentation that might help.





Re: Thunderbird with NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Robert,

 

Try opening messages in a new tab instead of a new window. The subject of the message should stop repeating after that.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Logue
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 8:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird with NVDA

 

I have the latest Thunderbird.

 

 

Is there a way to suppress reading the title of message when it opens? 

NVDA and Jaws both read the title as much as 3 times when I open a

message from the list.

 

I think one time is because the message pain is opening.  Then the next

is the screen reader saying the title of the window. Then saying the

title of the document.  This gets very old fast.  I have automatic

document reading on.

 

 

Please point me in to documentation that might help.