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Re: weather plus addon

Don H
 

I wonder if it is a simple case of decimal points being missed.

On 3/18/2019 9:05 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
Yeah, I got wind speed out of the north-east at 88 miles per hour a couple days ago. It was totally calm outside. I don't think this is the fault of the add-on; it is most likely the data it is receiving which cannot be controlled by the author.

On 3/18/2019 8:34 AM, Don H wrote:
I really appreciate all the effort that went into bring the weather plus addon back.  Only issue I am having is that the information it shows is randomly wrong. Examples are wind speeds, visibility, and rainfall are wrong.







Re: weather plus addon

Richard Wells
 

Yeah, I got wind speed out of the north-east at 88 miles per hour a couple days ago. It was totally calm outside. I don't think this is the fault of the add-on; it is most likely the data it is receiving which cannot be controlled by the author.

On 3/18/2019 8:34 AM, Don H wrote:
I really appreciate all the effort that went into bring the weather plus addon back.  Only issue I am having is that the information it shows is randomly wrong.  Examples are wind speeds, visibility, and rainfall are wrong.




Re: weather plus addon

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Don,


I have seen this as well.  A couple of days ago, my wind speed was 88 MPH when the real  speed was 8 MPH.

On 3/18/2019 9:34 AM, Don H wrote:
I really appreciate all the effort that went into bring the weather plus addon back.  Only issue I am having is that the information it shows is randomly wrong.  Examples are wind speeds, visibility, and rainfall are wrong.




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weather plus addon

Don H
 

I really appreciate all the effort that went into bring the weather plus addon back.  Only issue I am having is that the information it shows is randomly wrong.  Examples are wind speeds, visibility, and rainfall are wrong.


Re: O.T looking for answer of some question regarding python

Antony Stone
 

Firstly, I think this question is best suited for the chat sub-group, since as
you say in your subject line, it is off-topic and not at all NVDA specific.

However, that said, I'm afraid the answer is that you can write anything you
like in Python. It is a general-purpose scripting language (which can also be
compiled), and I don't think it's possible to suggest limitations on what you
could write in it if you wanted to.


Regards,


Antony.

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What type of software may I develop after learning python? I saw in many
website that I can get in web development or data science area after
learning python. Do I need to learn them after learning python?
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2019.1 rc1 up on site

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I see this is now up on the web site to download for those interested in testing it.

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Re: how do I silence?

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It is global though unless you use the profile. They are now rurally easy, set one up when the program you want to change is in focus and then set any parameters or triggers you need and then use the buttons to come out. Next time you go to that application the changes you made come into effect.
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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do I silence?


that is the one I wanted, nvda+u, thanks!

I did it b4, but had forgotten.

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On 3/17/2019 6:25 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Curtus, I think you mean beeping for the progress bar? You can use NVDA key plus U to make a temporary change. Whether it stays changed, I don't know.


Howard

On 3/17/2019 7:53 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
There are windows when I wish the wonderful NVDA beeps not to happen, while continuing them in others. How do I do this?


Re: how do I silence?

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Well I'd suggest using a profile for the application you do not want beeps in.
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Subject: [nvda] how do I silence?


There are windows when I wish the wonderful NVDA beeps not to happen, while continuing them in others. How do I do this?

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Re: troubleshooting my double posts

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For some reason in the emails to the list from you, I see no reply to sender directly, but I think you need to look at the headers of the copies to see what is going on. I'm sure its a google 'feature' you are encountering here. This is one reason why I hardly ever subscribe to a list with a gmail address if imm not going to use it with pop3.
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Subject: [nvda] troubleshooting my double posts


Seeing if I get this back.

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Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

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I do not think what you want can be done in that dialogue, or at least not reliably so.
I find that it is with this sort of thing that we get embroiled in what should the synth be doing vs. what should the screenreader be doing.
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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 2:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation


I need to step away from this for the evening. I have a history as a programmer and I still cannot comprehend in which orders these levels ensure that something is said versus when it isn't.

Based on Tony's description these seem to be "skip speaking the item levels," with none meaning always spoken, while what I'm getting from your description is the opposite.

It would be so much easier for me if these were numbers rather than English descriptions. At least then the hierarchy order would be clear.

In any case, my main concern at the moment is if one has a series of symbols that compose a word, but those symbols are not letters, and you want to be certain that these symbols are always spoken each and every time they're encountered, what does one set the level to in order to ensure that. They'd never be passed to the synth since it's the symbol name (replacement text) that will need to be spoken.
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Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

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I often wonder if fractions should not be in a place of their own in any case though. The symbols have grown like topsy the rabbit over the years of course to encompass almost anything which is not a letter or a number.
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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation


Brian,
Let me try to describe it in other words.
We have 4 punctuation verbosity settings that can be cycled through
using NVDA+P. They are None, Some, Most and All. All is clear - just
read all punctuation signs. But for many people that's too much
punctuation. So we want to make some of the "not so important"
punctuation signs to be ignored by speech synthesizer. There comes
"Most" setting. How do we decide which punctuation signs are to be
ignored when the setting is set to most? The ones that are marked "All"
in the punctuation dialog. And the ones that will be still pronounced
are the ones that are marked with "Most" and above ("All", "None")
Same thing for the next verbosity level "Some". Only the characters
marked "Some" and above ("All") will be pronounced.
I assume in some cases you want to ignore all punctuation, so you set
punctuation verbosity to "None". In this case only the characters marked
with level "None" will be reported, such as fractions, which are
arguably should never be skipped over.

Hope this explanation helps.
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On 3/17/2019 5:04 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Jackie,

Unless I see a technical document describing the
interactions I will never understand this. For the vulgur fractions,
for instance, things like the one-third or five-eighths symbols these
are all noted as level "none" and have nothing for the preservation
level (though I get that if it's none you wouldn't likely pass it to
the synth, so I presume the default absent a value is never). I
don't understand how a recipe that uses the one-third symbol, which is
not uncommon before the word cup, would ever read correctly. The
one-third symbol in symbols.dic, is given a replacement value of
one-third, but a level of none.

By the way, and I don't think I introduced this error, the
five-eighths symbol has a replacement value of five eighths, but there
is no tab after the S in eighths and it runs straight into the word
none that follows it. All others have that tab after the replacement
value.

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Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

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I think he is interested in under which conditions do the levels work, ie obbviously you do not want full stop every time one is encountered in a say all but you would as a decimal point etc.
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Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation


Brian, not quite. None means that no punctuation symbols will be
pronounced. Some means that certain ones will, like $, >, @, etc. The
3rd means that others, ie, ;, " will be pronounced, but not , ? . !
ie, the more common sentence punctuation. In all, every symbol is
spoken.

Does that help?

On 3/17/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Andre,

Thanks for what you've offered, I really do appreciate it. It
still does not tell me what the settings other than none actually mean about
when, precisely, a symbol will be pronounced as an atomic unit. How is
"Some" different from most, all, and character. I am presuming that "all"
means every time it's encountered it's pronounced, but I'm still entirely
unclear if there's a string of symbols what will happen. Essentially a word
composed of symbols.

My main reason for asking this is if one is working with
documents with phonetic transcriptions in the International Phonetic
Alphabet there will be words that are composed as a sequence of symbols with
no white space between those symbols. If one wants those words read out
loud, character by character, what should the Level and preservation
settings be?

Given the nature of the symbol set, I am presuming that the
preservation setting will be "never" since no synth should be expected to
recognize these characters in any way that is generally pronounceable.

At this point I'm making a guess that level should be
character (but maybe all, I'm not certain). I can find no description in
any documentation I've found about what these terms mean "in real life" and
how they interact with each other.

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Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

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Yes I did this some time back as people tend to use these only when quoting etc, and its intensely annoying.
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Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation


In essence, the level represents the lowest level to which a symbol will be pronounced by NVDA. For example, the at sign (@) is set to be pronounced at the Some level, so if the symbol is encountered at the Some, Most, All or Character level, it will be reported, but not at the None level.

By default, NVDA is set to pronounce all symbols at the Some level. This can be changed in the Speech settings dialog, or by pressing NVDA+P to cycle through the first four settings.

I have set the greater and less than symbols to be pronounced at the Most level, which indicates a deviation from the default. This is a very powerful tool now, with the inclusion of emojis in the dialog. What it needs now is a search bar.


Re: Brian V, could you please help troubleshoot this?

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Well it has been my experience that when google sends a message it also can send one back to the sender as well. I tend to use pop3, so can simply delete or shunt them to another place, leaving the one from the list in place.
Is that what you see, ie do the headers show one is from you the other from the list?
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Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 3:45 PM
Subject: [nvda] Brian V, could you please help troubleshoot this?


Every time I send a reply to this list, 2 msgs are generated. I'd
troubleshoot this, but my husband was recently hospitalized w/a heart
attack & pneumonia, 2 hours after which we had a house fire, & I'm so
far behind on my website work that either everyone else has crossed
the finish line or I have a substantial lead, rather suspecting the
latter is not the case. The long & the short is, I just don't have the
time to investigate it right now, & I would appreciate some help, if
possible. Thanks in advance.

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Re: strange issue likely NVDA related

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I have heard back, they wanted aa screenshot but on consulting eyes it would do them no good as to the sighted there was nothing at all there, luckily since the slight rconfig and their new version touch wood the problem has gone. I feel it was some new alert code they were trying that was the problem as it has stopped since they were told . I will say this though if you open dropbox from the tray icon, sometimes you can get a window momentarily opening called pane but it usually resolves into the root of the dropbox area. this method of opening that folder is far quicker than the one from the desktop icon as I suspect they directly call it somehow.
I think they are doing their best but its very hard to see an invisible window. I did send them the nvda/f1 stuff, so maybe they fixed it.
See my previous message if you want the actual address to report it to, it has the ticket number as part of the mammal address.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] strange issue likely NVDA related


All they told me was they would look ito it when I sent hem an email. I
can't remembeer who it was but it was someone special t support saying
they woudl escolate my case, I'e heard nothing back from them, and the
invisible windows still are happening over here, just with nvda by the
way. I don't recall seeingany of this with narrator.

On 17 Mar 2019, at 3:07, wayne wrote:

Due to some very careful observations, this is what we're
experiencing. With the dropbox famtom messages, with windows 7 64 bit
running window-eyes there's absolutely know ffamtom dropbox messages.
This is not happening with jaws. I don't have anything to report when
it comes to windows 10. If somebody needs us too, we could certainly
test it in windows 10. Several years ago and I don't remember the
program and the details, but I do know I was getting some famtom
messages with window-eyes. This time around I'm not sure that it's
nvda, but since I've experienced it with window-eyes in the past,
maybe we should have a closer look with nvda. let's just keep an ear
on this.

Wayne
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Hi, there was a weird transparent window issue a while back but the
latest version seems to have stopped doing this. A guy at Dropbox
called Geoff seems to be handling the issue, you might try emailing
them about your problem as of course its no longer a problem here
with the latest download.
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Subject: [nvda] strange issue likely NVDA related


Hi list ken here. Every so often on the computer dropbox will start
to say what it usually says when it’s first starting. “dropbox
c:program files .x86 and the up to date button and launch dropbox
paper and so forth. It is completely random and it comes without
warning. I posted a question to our radio station list and one other
user is saying the same thing. Like me this other DJ on out of sight
radio is using NVDA. I just double checked the addon and it’s up to
date I have the latest version. According to this other user she’s
not hearing this with jaws users on the station. She thinks NVDA is
seeing something other screen readers don’t any ideas? Thanks.

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O.T looking for answer of some question regarding python

farhan israk
 

What type of software may I develop after learning python? I saw in many website that I can get in web development or data science area after learning python. Do I need to learn them after learning python?


Re: how do I silence?

Curtis Delzer
 

that will do it, and I appreciate knowing how 2  do it.

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On 3/17/2019 6:57 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:

This can be done using the Configuration Profiles. Press Control+P, press Alt+N for New, Tab to current application (name), then press enter and close the dialog. Then, make your changes to the settings while still in the application, then save the configuration with NVDA+Control+C. That's it.


Re: how do I silence?

Curtis Delzer
 

that is the one I wanted, nvda+u, thanks!

I did it b4, but had forgotten.

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On 3/17/2019 6:25 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Curtus, I think you mean beeping for the progress bar?  You can use NVDA key plus U to make a temporary change.  Whether it stays changed, I don't know.


Howard

On 3/17/2019 7:53 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:
There are windows when I wish the wonderful NVDA beeps not to happen, while continuing them in others. How do I do this?


Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

Jackie
 

Brian, you queried:
"In any case, my main concern at the moment is if one has a series of
symbols that compose a word, but those symbols are not letters, and
you want to be certain that these symbols are always spoken each and
every time they're encountered, what does one set the level to in
order to ensure that.  They'd never be passed to the synth since it's
the symbol name (replacement text) that will need to be spoken."

I think this would be a better place for a dictionary entry rather
than using the symbol pronunciation list. Just my $.02, & likely worth
precisely what you paid for it.

I hope I've helped you after inadvertently sending you on a snipe
hunt. Good luck w/your project.

On 3/17/19, Jackie McBride <abletec@...> wrote:
Brian, maybe this analogy will help. I'm going to use the analogy of
access controls. Because WordPress is what I'm most familiar with, I'm
going to use its levels, ie, administrator, editor, author,
subscriber. Clearly, the administrator is like the 700lb
gorrilla--where does he sit in your living room? Anywhere he wants!
The editor can do everything an admin can except install software &
update the site. An author can do whatever s/he wants w/his/her own
posts, but no one else's, & a subscriber can read & comment.

If you're looking at a symbol in the symbol pronunciation list, & it's
set to level none, then it will always be read, no matter NVDA's
punctuation setting. It's like the administrator. If a symbol is set
to some, it's like the editor. If the user has the punctuation level
set to none, it won't be read, but if it's set to some or higher, then
it will be. Most is like the author, ie, if a symbol is set to "most"
or "all" in the pronunciation list, then it will be read when the
punctuation level is set to "most" or "all". If the symbol is set to
all, then it will only be read if NVDA punctuation is set to all. It's
least privileged, as it were, rather like a WordPress subscriber.

Programmatically, using a pseudocode, it might look something like:
if symbol-encountered
{
check-symbol-pronunciation-list
if symbol-says-none #we don't even have to think about it
{
read-symbol
break
}
if symbol-says-some && NVDA-punctuation >= some
{
read-symbol
break
}
if symbol-says-most && NVDA-punctuation >= most
{
read-symbol
break
}
if symbol-says-all && NVDA-punctuation == all
{
read-symbol
break
}
}

Does that help any?

On 3/17/19, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
In that case, you'd set the symbol level to none, and to never send the
symbol to the synthesizer.

Level 1: None (only those symbols that are deemed highly essential will
be
reported.
Level 2: Some: Some additional symbols will be reported. All emoji fall
in
this category. Therefore, to not hear them, set it to none.
Level 3: Most: This is the default for JAWS screen reader, things like
dashes, parentheses, brackets, quotes etc. will now be spoken.
Level 4: All: All symbols will be reported. This includes the commas,
periods, question marks and exclamation points.
Level 5: Character: These symbols will only be reported when moving by
character.




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Re: Punctuation/Symbol pronunciation

Jackie
 

Brian, maybe this analogy will help. I'm going to use the analogy of
access controls. Because WordPress is what I'm most familiar with, I'm
going to use its levels, ie, administrator, editor, author,
subscriber. Clearly, the administrator is like the 700lb
gorrilla--where does he sit in your living room? Anywhere he wants!
The editor can do everything an admin can except install software &
update the site. An author can do whatever s/he wants w/his/her own
posts, but no one else's, & a subscriber can read & comment.

If you're looking at a symbol in the symbol pronunciation list, & it's
set to level none, then it will always be read, no matter NVDA's
punctuation setting. It's like the administrator. If a symbol is set
to some, it's like the editor. If the user has the punctuation level
set to none, it won't be read, but if it's set to some or higher, then
it will be. Most is like the author, ie, if a symbol is set to "most"
or "all" in the pronunciation list, then it will be read when the
punctuation level is set to "most" or "all". If the symbol is set to
all, then it will only be read if NVDA punctuation is set to all. It's
least privileged, as it were, rather like a WordPress subscriber.

Programmatically, using a pseudocode, it might look something like:
if symbol-encountered
{
check-symbol-pronunciation-list
if symbol-says-none #we don't even have to think about it
{
read-symbol
break
}
if symbol-says-some && NVDA-punctuation >= some
{
read-symbol
break
}
if symbol-says-most && NVDA-punctuation >= most
{
read-symbol
break
}
if symbol-says-all && NVDA-punctuation == all
{
read-symbol
break
}
}

Does that help any?

On 3/17/19, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
In that case, you'd set the symbol level to none, and to never send the
symbol to the synthesizer.

Level 1: None (only those symbols that are deemed highly essential will be
reported.
Level 2: Some: Some additional symbols will be reported. All emoji fall in
this category. Therefore, to not hear them, set it to none.
Level 3: Most: This is the default for JAWS screen reader, things like
dashes, parentheses, brackets, quotes etc. will now be spoken.
Level 4: All: All symbols will be reported. This includes the commas,
periods, question marks and exclamation points.
Level 5: Character: These symbols will only be reported when moving by
character.



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