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Re: Some issues with NVDA's reading

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

In answer to your question, Chris, all the two-part symbols, including the question mark, are read in the same way in French as they would be without the space before them in English, so you still get the rising inflection for questions as long as the voice used supports it, which I’ve found some don’t.

But if I switch to English and thereis a space before the punctuation, it ignores it. For example, if I had left a space between the word “Hi” and the exclamation mark after it at the beginning of this email, it would sound like “Hi” is  part of the next sentence. But that’s understandable, because, as several people have pointed out, gaps between words and punctuation like question and exclamation marks are not correct in English.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: vendredi 1 juillet 2016 15:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading

 

Hi Clair

Thanks for your contribution re French.  If the language is set to French in the NVDA settings, does the space between 2 part symbols and the last word of a sentence get considered when the text is processed and spoken, as it is syntactically correct for that language?  Not having any other language than English I can’t say but I agree with you that it shouldn’t be read automatically by NVDA and should remain configurable via the Punctuation/Symbols Pronunciation dialog.

 

Cheers

Chris         

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: 01 July 2016 11:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading

 

Hi !

It’s true that a space before a question mark is syntactically incorrect in English, but it is correct in French, where any punctuation symbols made up of two parts, such as the question mark and the colon, the latter being two dots above each other, are always separated from the last word of the sentence. I personally can’t think of any languages where doubole question marks are the norm, but even in English some people right multiple exclamation marks.

Given what I wrote above about the French standard for question marks, I don’t think NVDA should automatically read a question mark if it is separate from the last word of a question, as that may well annoy French users of NVDA, or even multilingual users like me. So it’s probably better that anyone who wants a separated question mark to be spoken for proof-reading should either review the ends of their questions character by character, or tweak their punctuation settings somehow. That’s just my opinion: I have no problems with questions in English, French or German, the three languages I use myself.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: vendredi 1 juillet 2016 00:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Some issues with NVDA's reading

 

Chris,

            And what I'm telling you is that the first version of the question does not read correctly, to my ears, in either NVDA or Window-Eyes and the second two read precisely the same way.

            Since double exclamation points and double question marks (and/or combinations thereof) are not uncommon I have no issue with a screen reader reading these without any extra string of punctuation.

            I agree that a terminal space before the question mark itself is syntactically incorrect and the words should be read followed by "question mark" announcing the punctuation.  There is no case in written English that I know of where a question mark can "free float" and be syntactically correct.  It is always firmly attached to the final word in a question construction.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    

 


Re: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

For the record and reading some of the chatter elsewhere there seems to be
several issues here. Firstly, the dodgy access does not just affect nvda, it
tends to affect all the screenreaders. There is an inferred criticism from
Microsoft that they should be using the new api developed for Edge etc, to
get around these issues not the older uia or msaa. However as has been
pointed out by manufacturers of the screenreaders, since the Edge api has been buggy and altered so often, it would mean continual updates of the screenreaders when it got broken, so best to use thedevil you know.
The real issue from my point of view as an outsider is that Microsoft should have actually got this working properly before they unleashed the operating system at all, so its all their fault,but that is me saying that, and I'm not party to secret discussions behind the scenes.
There has been and still is a rumour circulating that Windows will have its own inbuilt screenreader 'shortly'.
However if the evolution seen or rather not seen in Narrator is anything to go by, its not even close yet.
Maybe they are buying the rights to Window Eyes instead who knows.

I have one machine with 10 on it and it is not so much the lack of accessibility I find annoying but the way it seems to stop you doing many things you should be able to do as an admin in the past, and of course the reliance on those tonka toy designed ribbon menues.
Brian


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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Sanfilippo" <john.sanfilippo@verizon.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10


Hello,


Just for a little perspective, I'm running a Macbook Air with Windows 10
since about a month after Windows 10 came out, and of course, my screen
access is NVDA. I'm quite happy with it.


What doesn't work, I just avoid. Even so, I think it works just fine.


js




On 7/1/16 9:30, Shaun Everiss wrote:
One thing though, nvda is going to have to support win10 by the time it
upgrades because home users will get it automatically.
I can defur the systems I have on pro into the non upgrade branch for a
time but as I can't justify defuring a remote for the only reason that I
can't access it since I only maintain those, I would like to have the
systems I let upgrade, upgraded so I could see what was what.
The only good thing is as long as search works, the settings app, ie, and
the desktop I could get buy while you worked with things.



On 1/07/2016 8:06 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
One of the options seems to be that new versions of win 10 come along
and break accessibility in some cases.
I don't think this occurs though if you just take windows updates and
not whole new builds such as insiders get.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "蔡宗豪 Victor Cai"
<surfer0627@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 3:13 AM
Subject: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10


Hi all,
Windows10 has been released for almost one year. Is this still the case?

Here is a quote from NV Access (Last update: 5 April 2016 00:25 UTC):
we recommend that most users delay upgrading to or purchasing a
computer with Windows 10 until further notice.
resource from:
http://www.nvaccess.org/win10/

Regards,

Victor Cai








Re: Windows logon screen: was Problem with Secure Desktop

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


there is a page I started to put together for windows 10 on the things I
started to change and the option you are loking for is the first option.
it can be found at
http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html


The heading you are looking for is To sign in to User Account automatically


Hope this helps.


I have done this to all of my machines so now they just log in
automatically.


Gene nz

On 2/07/2016 9:43 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'd be very interested on how to get rid of the log on screen in Win
10 as well. I have it set to not need a password, but it still
hesitates there for several seconds waiting for something and then it
will go on and get to Windows desktop just fine but would be good if I
could just bypass this step completely.

Thanks.

Roger







On 7/1/2016 3:39 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi John


If you do not mind getting rid of it all together so it boots straight
into windows that is easy enough to do, but you might have to tab around
use the arrow keys etc to try and get focus.

I do have a tutorial to get rid of the log on screen if you are
interested just let me know once you get into windows.


You might be able to get to it also with the physical mouse and let it
speak what is under it and get in that way.


Gene nz



On 2/07/2016 12:22 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly
into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking
for your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the
power options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure
desktop, so it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged
in NVDA, you can do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the
logon and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably
an UAC prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings
dialog has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I
can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John


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Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


Re: opening links within a message

Arlene
 

Can't say I blame you for ditching ten. Loll.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 5:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

There are many little other annoyances using Win10. I'll be patient till
the August upgrade otherwise I will ditch it.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 9:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Oh that edge! I hope one day it will stop taking over! I hope Microsoft will
provide a solution to have any browser take over as you choose. Not Edge
trying to take over. There has to be a work around to have any browser be
default without Edge trying to take over.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 2:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Strange but it still happens! Edge wants to take over!
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Happens to me as well, at times, and seems like edge keeps on trying to take
back control of protocol types, etc.

As in, while, maybe an htttp link will still open with either firefox, or
chrome, depending on which I have set as default browser, but, then an https
link will open in edge, etc. etc.

Haven't found a way to stop this from happening consistently as of yet, but
anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


That is strange. If you have firefox set as your browser then it
should be it. Not edge.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pascal Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] opening links within a message

Hi,
I have the browser set to Firefox. However when I click on a link
within an email message, it is opened with MSFT Edge. This does not
happen all the time.
Any idea?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacob Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure
Desktop

Windows key + Enter should, hopefully, get narrator to start talking,
and, it should be able to read some of the logon screen to you, but,
only really allows you to navigate using tab, and arrow keys.

Good luck

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure
Desktop


I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly
into the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the
NVDA mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get
past this dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking
for your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the
power options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop,
so it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA,
you can do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the
logon and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably
an UAC
prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings
dialog
has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I
can get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on.
Does anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.















Re: Touch cursor support

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Let me try to explain a litle more technically...

All windows are formed by several objects of various types...
By instance, NotePad is an object, composed by child objects: application
menu bar, system menu bar, text area and status bar.

When you are navigating by object, using NVDA+4, NVDA+5, NVDA+6, you are
moving to the prior object, reading the actual object or moving to the next
object.
So, using Gene example, you start in the text area, and with NVDA+4 you will
move to the application menu bar...

NVDA+8 lets you move to the object containing the actual one. Returning to
Gene example, you go to the Untitled NotePad window.
In this level, if you use NVDA+4 or NVDA+6 you will move between the several
windows you have open on your machine...
If you press again NVDA+8, you will go up another level and you'll reach the
Desktop, the object containing all window applications, start menu and so
on. As Gene pointed, as Desktop is the object containing all others, it is
not possible to move to the prior or next object in this level since it is
the only one in this level...

To return to the NotePad application you must go down one level, pressing
NVDA+2, and then NVDA+6 to walk through the various application windows
open.


If the object navigation is understood, we can move to the other navigation
methods, like screen review and document review...

Rui

-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: sbado, 2 de julho de 2016 01:14
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support


It's easier, in my opinion, to demonstrate how object navigation works than
to try to explain it. After it is demonstrated, an explanation might be
helpful but I learned how to use object navigation by experimentation with
very little reliance on explanations.

Do the following:
This discussion uses the desktop keyboard layout. I don't use the laptop
layout and am notfamiliar with it.
Issue the command numpad insert numpad 7. That is, hold numpad insert and
while doing so press 7. Do this until you have moved through the review
options you can move to in that way. Then move back using numpad insert
numpad one. Stop at object navigation.
Now, open some simple program everyone has on their computer. Let's use
Notepad.
Write the word "test."
Now, issue the command numpad insert numpad 4. You will move from the
document window to another part of the program.
Now issue the command numpad insert numpad 6. You are back in the document
window again. You have moved first to a different object, then back to the
document window, the object you started on.
Now issue the command numpad insert numpad 8.
You have moved out of the document window and are now at an object that says
untitled notepad window. Move up again with the same command. I'm not sure
what you will hear depending on your version of Windows. You may hear
desktop window. Try moving to the left and right by object with numpad 4
and 6. At least on my machine, I hear no next, no previous.
So move down one level again with numpad insert numpad 2. On my machine, I
can't move to the left but I can move to the right from where I am. If I
move to the right enough times, I get to untitled notepad window again.
Move down once to get back into the Notepad program. Start moving to the
right, I don't think you can move to the left. If you move enough times,
you will be back in the edit field with the word test you wrote awhile ago.

The point is that you first moved to the window, then continuing to move
down you moved into the window and then moved right object by object until
you got back into the edit field.

Experiment and look around. You may find that by looking around and
experimenting, things start to make sense as you conceptualize what you are
doing as you move.
Try moving around using the move left and right commands and moving up and
down and then using the move left and right commands. Note that you can
move to a lot of structures. Some you can move into and some you can't
because you are already in them.

If you get lost, you can always return to the program window where you
started by alt tabbing out of and then alt tabbing until you return to the
window.

This demonstration may not explain things technically precisely accurately
in terms of definitions. I'm not sure I know exactly how to explain
everything technically accurately. The point is to experiment and get a
concept of what you are doing by experimentation and observation.

This may or may not allow you to understand everything. But this kind of
experimentation, along with working with a good tutorial section that
explains object navigation may allow you to understand it.

Also, note carefully that if you leave NVDA set to screen review, you can't
review the screen accurately much of the time if you intend to move
somewhere and then use the standard review commands such as numpad 8 read
current line. You must have NVDA set for object navigation to have review
work reliably. I have said before that most NVDA users don't and won't
understand this and that you should automatically be returned to object
review when you leave the window you are in. I still feel strongly about
this.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support

How is each one invoked?
At 04:03 PM 7/1/2016, you wrote:
Hi,
A good example is Windows 10’s Settings app
(Windows+I) where you do need to use object
navigation to read descriptions of settings.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support


Joseph Lee wrote: "If you are using Windows 8,
8.1 or 10, use of object navigation is essential when using newer style
apps."

Joseph, is there any material somewhere that
gives some discussion or examples of using
object navigation and the review cursor using some "real world" example?

I have not been able to get my arms around this,
and it's probably because I'm trying to use it
"in the wrong place." I strongly suspect that
had I known how to use these features the
step-by-step pizza ordering instructions for the
Pizza Hut website I was trying to create might
have been completed. I had one of those rare
"throw up my hands and walk away" moments
because I could not figure out how to get NVDA
to "play correctly" with the various pop-up
overlays, etc., and I'm almost certain it can.

Even if you could direct me to either an app or
a website that's a good sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how
cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for
Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"





Re: opening links within a message

Pascal Lambert
 

There are many little other annoyances using Win10. I'll be patient till
the August upgrade otherwise I will ditch it.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 9:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Oh that edge! I hope one day it will stop taking over! I hope Microsoft will
provide a solution to have any browser take over as you choose. Not Edge
trying to take over. There has to be a work around to have any browser be
default without Edge trying to take over.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 2:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Strange but it still happens! Edge wants to take over!
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Happens to me as well, at times, and seems like edge keeps on trying to take
back control of protocol types, etc.

As in, while, maybe an htttp link will still open with either firefox, or
chrome, depending on which I have set as default browser, but, then an https
link will open in edge, etc. etc.

Haven't found a way to stop this from happening consistently as of yet, but
anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


That is strange. If you have firefox set as your browser then it
should be it. Not edge.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pascal Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] opening links within a message

Hi,
I have the browser set to Firefox. However when I click on a link
within an email message, it is opened with MSFT Edge. This does not
happen all the time.
Any idea?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacob Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure
Desktop

Windows key + Enter should, hopefully, get narrator to start talking,
and, it should be able to read some of the logon screen to you, but,
only really allows you to navigate using tab, and arrow keys.

Good luck

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure
Desktop


I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly
into the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the
NVDA mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get
past this dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking
for your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the
power options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop,
so it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA,
you can do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the
logon and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably
an UAC
prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings
dialog
has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I
can get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on.
Does anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.















Re: opening links within a message

Arlene
 

Oh that edge! I hope one day it will stop taking over! I hope Microsoft will
provide a solution to have any browser take over as you choose. Not Edge
trying to take over. There has to be a work around to have any browser be
default without Edge trying to take over.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 2:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Strange but it still happens! Edge wants to take over!
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Happens to me as well, at times, and seems like edge keeps on trying to take
back control of protocol types, etc.

As in, while, maybe an htttp link will still open with either firefox, or
chrome, depending on which I have set as default browser, but, then an https
link will open in edge, etc. etc.

Haven't found a way to stop this from happening consistently as of yet, but
anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


That is strange. If you have firefox set as your browser then it should be
it. Not edge.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] opening links within a message

Hi,
I have the browser set to Firefox. However when I click on a link within
an
email message, it is opened with MSFT Edge. This does not happen all the
time.
Any idea?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop

Windows key + Enter should, hopefully, get narrator to start talking, and,
it should be able to read some of the logon screen to you, but, only
really
allows you to navigate using tab, and arrow keys.

Good luck

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop


I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking for
your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the power
options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop, so
it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA, you can
do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the logon
and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably an
UAC
prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings
dialog
has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.















Re: Touch cursor support

Gene
 

It's easier, in my opinion, to demonstrate how object navigation works than to try to explain it.  After it is demonstrated, an explanation might be helpful but I learned how to use object navigation by experimentation with very little reliance on explanations. 
 
Do the following:
This discussion uses the desktop keyboard layout.  I don't use the laptop layout and am notfamiliar with it. 
Issue the command numpad insert numpad 7.  That is, hold numpad insert and while doing so press 7.  Do this until you have moved through the review options you can move to in that way.  Then move back using numpad insert numpad one.  Stop at object navigation. 
Now, open some simple program everyone has on their computer.  Let's use Notepad. 
Write the word "test."
Now, issue the command numpad insert numpad 4.  You will move from the document window to another part of the program. 
Now issue the command numpad insert numpad 6.  You are back in the document window again.  You have moved first to a different object, then back to the document window, the object you started on.
Now issue the command numpad insert numpad 8. 
You have moved out of the document window and are now at an object that says untitled notepad window.  Move up again with the same command.  I'm not sure what you will hear depending on your version of Windows.  You may hear desktop window.  Try moving to the left and right by object with numpad 4 and 6. At least on my machine, I hear no next, no previous.  
So move down one level again with numpad insert numpad 2.  On my machine, I can't move to the left but I can move to the right from where I am.  If I move to the right enough times, I get to untitled notepad window again.  
Move down once to get back into the Notepad program.  Start moving to the right, I don't think you can move to the left.  If you move enough times, you will be back in the edit field with the word test you wrote awhile ago.
 
The point is that you first moved to the window, then continuing to move down you moved into the window and then moved right object by object until you got back into the edit field.  
 
Experiment and look around.  You may find that by looking around and experimenting, things start to make sense as you conceptualize what you are doing as you move.  
Try moving around using the move left and right commands and moving up and down and then using the move left and right commands.  Note that you can move to a lot of structures.  Some you can move into and some you can't because you are already in them.
 
If you get lost, you can always return to the program window where you started by alt tabbing out of and then alt tabbing until you return to the window. 
 
This demonstration may not explain things technically precisely accurately in terms of definitions.  I'm not sure I know exactly how to explain everything technically accurately.  The point is to experiment and get a concept of what you are doing by experimentation and observation.    
 
This may or may not allow you to understand everything.  But this kind of experimentation, along with working with a good tutorial section that explains object navigation may allow you to understand it.
 
Also, note carefully that if you leave NVDA set to screen review, you can't review the screen accurately much of the time if you intend to move somewhere and then use the standard review commands such as numpad 8 read current line.  You must have NVDA set for object navigation to have review work reliably.  I have said before that most NVDA users don't and won't understand this and that you should automatically be returned to object review when you leave the window you are in.  I still feel strongly about this. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support

How is each one invoked?
At 04:03 PM 7/1/2016, you wrote:
>Hi,
>A good example is Windows 10’s Settings app
>(Windows+I) where you do need to use object
>navigation to read descriptions of settings.
>Cheers,
>Joseph
>
>From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
>Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:00 PM
>To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support
>
>
>Joseph Lee wrote:  "If you are using Windows 8,
>8.1 or 10, use of object navigation is essential when using newer style apps."
>
>Joseph, is there any material somewhere that
>gives some discussion or examples of using
>object navigation and the review cursor using some "real world" example?
>
>I have not been able to get my arms around this,
>and it's probably because I'm trying to use it
>"in the wrong place."  I strongly suspect that
>had I known how to use these features the
>step-by-step pizza ordering instructions for the
>Pizza Hut website I was trying to create might
>have been completed.  I had one of those rare
>"throw up my hands and walk away" moments
>because I could not figure out how to get NVDA
>to "play correctly" with the various pop-up
>overlays, etc., and I'm almost certain it can.
>
>Even if you could direct me to either an app or
>a website that's a good sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.
>
>--
>Brian
>
>I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how
>cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
>          ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for
> Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Touch cursor support

Ann Byrne
 

How is each one invoked?

At 04:03 PM 7/1/2016, you wrote:
Hi,
A good example is Windows 10’s Settings app (Windows+I) where you do need to use object navigation to read descriptions of settings.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support


Joseph Lee wrote: "If you are using Windows 8, 8.1 or 10, use of object navigation is essential when using newer style apps."

Joseph, is there any material somewhere that gives some discussion or examples of using object navigation and the review cursor using some "real world" example?

I have not been able to get my arms around this, and it's probably because I'm trying to use it "in the wrong place." I strongly suspect that had I known how to use these features the step-by-step pizza ordering instructions for the Pizza Hut website I was trying to create might have been completed. I had one of those rare "throw up my hands and walk away" moments because I could not figure out how to get NVDA to "play correctly" with the various pop-up overlays, etc., and I'm almost certain it can.

Even if you could direct me to either an app or a website that's a good sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"





Re: Nuance Vocaliser

Rui Fontes
 

Hello CJ!

One of your activations is being renewed successfully until July, 1...

Please, set the NVDA log level to debug and send a log file to:
rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: CJ
Data: sexta-feira, 1 de julho de 2016 21:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Nuance Vocaliser



Hello

I've been happily using NVDA with the Nuance Vocaliser Daniel voice. Today
it suddenly reverted to eSpeak, and I keep getting an error saying that the
vocaliser synthesizer could not be loaded.

I've rebooted, uninstalled the vocaliser driver, reinstalled it, uninstalled
NVDA, reinstalled it and then reinstalled the vocaliser driver, but I'm
still having the same problem.

Can anyone help, please? This is really frustrating me as I can't cope with
the eSpeak voices and I really don't like the Microsoft voices which are the
only alternative at the moment.

Thanks

CJ


Re: Touch cursor support

 

Hi,
Object navigation is tied to review cursor like this:
* Object navigation allows you to navigate between controls.
* Review cursor allows you to examine the contents of a specific control.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben J.
Bloomgren
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support

Hi Joseph,

Please pardon my ignorance, but is object navigation the same as the review
cursor?

Ben

On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Ben,
Yes, and it was here long before JAWS 15. In essence, touch cursor is
JFW's implementation of object navigation and review cursor.
Important note: If you are using Windows 8, 8.1 or 10, use of object
navigation is essential when using newer style apps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Ben J. Bloomgren
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Touch cursor support

Hi all,


I'm really seeing the power of the Jaws touch cursor commands, and it
makes me curious as to NVDA's capabilities. Does NVDA have such a thing,
whether or not it have the same name as it does in Jaws?


By touch cursor, I mean where it'll give users without a touch screen very
similar functionality to those with a touch screen using the keyboard only.


Thanks,


Ben







Re: Touch cursor support

Ben J. Bloomgren
 

Hi Joseph,

Please pardon my ignorance, but is object navigation the same as the review cursor?

Ben

On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:18, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Ben,
Yes, and it was here long before JAWS 15. In essence, touch cursor is JFW's implementation of object navigation and review cursor.
Important note: If you are using Windows 8, 8.1 or 10, use of object navigation is essential when using newer style apps.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ben J. Bloomgren
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 8:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Touch cursor support

Hi all,


I'm really seeing the power of the Jaws touch cursor commands, and it makes me curious as to NVDA's capabilities. Does NVDA have such a thing, whether or not it have the same name as it does in Jaws?


By touch cursor, I mean where it'll give users without a touch screen very similar functionality to those with a touch screen using the keyboard only.


Thanks,


Ben







Re: opening links within a message

Pascal Lambert
 

Strange but it still happens! Edge wants to take over!
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Happens to me as well, at times, and seems like edge keeps on trying to take
back control of protocol types, etc.

As in, while, maybe an htttp link will still open with either firefox, or
chrome, depending on which I have set as default browser, but, then an https
link will open in edge, etc. etc.

Haven't found a way to stop this from happening consistently as of yet, but
anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


That is strange. If you have firefox set as your browser then it should be
it. Not edge.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] opening links within a message

Hi,
I have the browser set to Firefox. However when I click on a link within
an
email message, it is opened with MSFT Edge. This does not happen all the
time.
Any idea?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop

Windows key + Enter should, hopefully, get narrator to start talking, and,
it should be able to read some of the logon screen to you, but, only
really
allows you to navigate using tab, and arrow keys.

Good luck

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop


I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking for
your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the power
options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop, so
it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA, you can
do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the logon
and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably an
UAC
prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings
dialog
has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.















Re: Windows logon screen: was Problem with Secure Desktop

Roger Stewart
 

I'd be very interested on how to get rid of the log on screen in Win 10 as well. I have it set to not need a password, but it still hesitates there for several seconds waiting for something and then it will go on and get to Windows desktop just fine but would be good if I could just bypass this step completely.

Thanks.

Roger

On 7/1/2016 3:39 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi John


If you do not mind getting rid of it all together so it boots straight
into windows that is easy enough to do, but you might have to tab around
use the arrow keys etc to try and get focus.

I do have a tutorial to get rid of the log on screen if you are
interested just let me know once you get into windows.


You might be able to get to it also with the physical mouse and let it
speak what is under it and get in that way.


Gene nz



On 2/07/2016 12:22 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking for your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the power options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop, so it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA, you can do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the logon and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably an UAC prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings dialog has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John


Re: Touch cursor support

 

Joseph,

           Thanks much.  I use Settings quite frequently and that would be an excellent sandbox!
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: opening links within a message

Jacob Kruger
 

Happens to me as well, at times, and seems like edge keeps on trying to take back control of protocol types, etc.

As in, while, maybe an htttp link will still open with either firefox, or chrome, depending on which I have set as default browser, but, then an https link will open in edge, etc. etc.

Haven't found a way to stop this from happening consistently as of yet, but anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


That is strange. If you have firefox set as your browser then it should be
it. Not edge.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] opening links within a message

Hi,
I have the browser set to Firefox. However when I click on a link within an
email message, it is opened with MSFT Edge. This does not happen all the
time.
Any idea?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop

Windows key + Enter should, hopefully, get narrator to start talking, and,
it should be able to read some of the logon screen to you, but, only really
allows you to navigate using tab, and arrow keys.

Good luck

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop


I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking for
your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the power
options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop, so
it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA, you can
do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the logon
and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably an UAC
prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings dialog
has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.














Re: Touch cursor support

 

Hi,

A good example is Windows 10’s Settings app (Windows+I) where you do need to use object navigation to read descriptions of settings.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support

 

Joseph Lee wrote:  "If you are using Windows 8, 8.1 or 10, use of object navigation is essential when using newer style apps."

Joseph, is there any material somewhere that gives some discussion or examples of using object navigation and the review cursor using some "real world" example?

I have not been able to get my arms around this, and it's probably because I'm trying to use it "in the wrong place."  I strongly suspect that had I known how to use these features the step-by-step pizza ordering instructions for the Pizza Hut website I was trying to create might have been completed.  I had one of those rare "throw up my hands and walk away" moments because I could not figure out how to get NVDA to "play correctly" with the various pop-up overlays, etc., and I'm almost certain it can.

Even if you could direct me to either an app or a website that's a good sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.

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Re: Touch cursor support

 

Joseph Lee wrote:  "If you are using Windows 8, 8.1 or 10, use of object navigation is essential when using newer style apps."

Joseph, is there any material somewhere that gives some discussion or examples of using object navigation and the review cursor using some "real world" example?

I have not been able to get my arms around this, and it's probably because I'm trying to use it "in the wrong place."  I strongly suspect that had I known how to use these features the step-by-step pizza ordering instructions for the Pizza Hut website I was trying to create might have been completed.  I had one of those rare "throw up my hands and walk away" moments because I could not figure out how to get NVDA to "play correctly" with the various pop-up overlays, etc., and I'm almost certain it can.

Even if you could direct me to either an app or a website that's a good sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: Nuance Vocaliser

Gene
 

Are you sure you activated the synthesizer properly?  This sounds like a demo driver expiring.  I am assuming you purchased the program and were not using it as a demo to your knowledge.  But if you didn't activate it properly, you may have been using it as a demo without knowing it.
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nuance Vocaliser

Hi,


Have you tried uninstalling/reinstalling the voice you were using as well, to see if that helps? That's a rather strange one, as I use Vocalizer here as well, with no issues.

Hope that helps.


On 7/1/2016 3:20 PM, CJ wrote:

Hello

I've been happily using NVDA with the Nuance Vocaliser Daniel voice. Today it suddenly reverted to eSpeak, and I keep getting an error saying that the vocaliser synthesizer could not be loaded.

I've rebooted, uninstalled the vocaliser driver, reinstalled it, uninstalled NVDA, reinstalled it and then reinstalled the vocaliser driver, but I'm still having the same problem.

Can anyone help, please? This is really frustrating me as I can't cope with the eSpeak voices and I really don't like the Microsoft voices which are the only alternative at the moment.

Thanks

CJ



Re: Windows logon screen: was Problem with Secure Desktop

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi John


If you do not mind getting rid of it all together so it boots straight
into windows that is easy enough to do, but you might have to tab around
use the arrow keys etc to try and get focus.

I do have a tutorial to get rid of the log on screen if you are
interested just let me know once you get into windows.


You might be able to get to it also with the physical mouse and let it
speak what is under it and get in that way.


Gene nz

On 2/07/2016 12:22 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking for your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the power options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop, so it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA, you can do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the logon and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably an UAC prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings dialog has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John
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