Re: How to activate clickable elements?
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Yes in the main they work but being of the nosey type, several celebrity sites, and I'm not going to name them do not work and it seems they have stuff in the code like onmousedown etc, which one assumes only responds to a mouse user moving over sequential elements downward to work.
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] How to activate clickable elements? Hi Marcio,
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Re: Mouse Navigation
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Yes the Edge project comes under the heading of 'it seemed like a good idea at the time' at least for security purposes it was better than IE, but since it seemed slow and clunky even when I had a windows 10 installation hardly any point at all.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 5:29 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse Navigation I don't know if Edge works better on some web pages. Most people don't use Edge. The number of people, I mean sighted people, who use it is so small that Microsoft is going to completely remake it, using Chrome code. I'm not saying not to use it now, I'm saying that unless there are pages you can't use well now, unless you are just curious, there isn't any point since it is going to be redone. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Arlene Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 12:06 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse Navigation Greg! Do many blind people use Edge? I got a new win ten laptop. I use google Chrome. I haven’t tried it. I’m willing to learn it. But I was told by other blind people not to use it. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Greg Rhodes Sent: March 24, 2019 1:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Mouse Navigation I spend most of my computer time browsing with Microsoft Edge and working on documents and spreadsheets in MS Word and Excel 2016. I’m running the latest version of Windows 10. I need to use a screen reader for almost all of my work these days (magnification is no longer real useful for me). Given my above uses, can someone give me a couple of examples of where mouse navigation (using the numpad) would be used? I’m trying to figure out if there would be any benefit in my learning mouse navigation commands. Thanks. Thanks. Greg
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Re: Kindle for PC
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Was there not an issue with the web site for Kindle books, a link that did not show up properly?
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From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@nvaccess.org> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2019 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Kindle for PC Hi Don,
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Re: NVDA for Android and IOS
LOL! This topic again?
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Em 25/03/2019 06:16, zahra disse:
hi. i vote for making nvda for android. nvda is the best screen reader and i wish that i could have one physical keyboard and nvda my android phone to have the best experience that i have on my computer! On 3/25/19, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:It doesn’t need to happen. Talkback is good enough on Android, as is VoiceOver on the iPhone. All the best Steve From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io Sent: 10 March 2019 18:43 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA for Android and IOS As many other people have already mentioned, it seems there's not any plan, for now ou the future, to make NVDA a screen reader to a smartphone. It actually would be quite nice, though, and I'd be the first to grab it if it ever existed. Considering how powerful NVDA can be on the Windows platform, if such power could be applied on a smartphone, it would be wonderful! But unfortunately, I don't see it happening :( Cheers, Marcio AKA Starboy Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/firirinfonfon> Em 10/03/2019 12:16, Sociohack AC escreveu: Are there any plans in the pipeline for developing an NVDA app for Android and IOS? Is it possible? Right now, Talkback and Voiceover do support external keyboard, but it would be so much more convenient if there could be an NVDA application for mobile phones with similar commands as that of a PC. What do you guys think? -- Regards, Sociohack
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i vote for making nvda for android. nvda is the best screen reader and i wish that i could have one physical keyboard and nvda my android phone to have the best experience that i have on my computer!
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It doesn’t need to happen. Talkback is good enough on Android, as is --
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Re: NVDA for Android and IOS
Steve Nutt
It doesn’t need to happen. Talkback is good enough on Android, as is VoiceOver on the iPhone.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 10 March 2019 18:43 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA for Android and IOS
As many other people have already mentioned, it seems there's not any plan, for now ou the future, to make NVDA a screen reader to a smartphone. Em 10/03/2019 12:16, Sociohack AC escreveu:
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Re: How to activate clickable elements?
Quentin Christensen
I mentioned Golden Cursor and gave a link to it :) Re routing the mouse, I'm not 100% sure how Jaws works, but if it helps: - To move the mouse to the centre of the current navigator object, press NVDA+numpad divide (or in laptop keyboard layout: NVDA+shift+n). This can be useful if the focus is on a control which really wants the mouse to click it and won't cooperate with anything else. - To move the focus to the object currently under the mouse press NVDA+numpad multiply (or in laptop keyboard layout: NVDA+shift+m). This can be useful if you have moved the mouse somewhere and want to move NVDA's focus there. The full list of mouse commands (clicking, holding buttons down, etc) is in the user guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#NavigatingWithTheMouse Re why "clickable" is needed, a lot of people would argue it isn't :) Essentially though, the main reason for it, is if you are doing something non-standard and have, for instance, defined some new type of control, which may not obviously present itself as something you can interact with. In practice, while it does get abused, it varies from site to site - on some, it is indispensable and on others, it's reprehensible :) Quentin.
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Re: NVDA with Chrome
Gene
JAWS users can point out things that JAWS does
better. No screen-reader does all things as well as any other
screen-reader. That's why demanding users use more than one screen-reader,
even if they only have a demo of another one. You don't know when you
might need or benefit from another screen-reader.
I almost never use System Access to go, but I find,
every now and then, that having access to it really helps with something.
For example, awhile ago, System Access to Go read
the things to check so unwanted software wouldn't be installed when I was
installing a certain free program. No other screen-reader tried read that
material in an accessible way. It may be, therefore, that when installing
free programs, since so many try to put other programs on machines, that the
installer should be tried with System Access or System Access to Go.
Gene
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Hmmm, I use NVDA running Chrome. I have no problems running it using NVDA. How I had Chrome run as the default browser. I was taking an online food safe course. I was receiving tutoring and he doesn’t know win ten. He knew Chrome so I told him to default it. We tried IE but it ran slow. Now my food safe website called the training center is saved on book marks. Here’s a real sick kicker! Expensive Jaws the latest version can get onto the site. I can login but Jaws does not read Click anywhere to begin. If I launch free NVDA NVDA will read click anywhere to begin.
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From: Gene
If you use add-ons, try running NVDA with no add-ons running and see if Chrome runs.
If you don't know how to run NVDA with no add-ons running, you do so in the shut down dialog of NVDA, ask here.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I use Windows 10 1809, latest nvda and chrome. Most of time nvda hangs when I use chrome. I faced this problem in previous version of chrome as well. How to fix it?
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Re: Mouse Navigation
Gene
I don't know if Edge works better on some web
pages. Most people don't use Edge. The number of people, I mean
sighted people, who use it is so small that Microsoft is going to completely
remake it, using Chrome code. I'm not saying not to use it now, I'm saying
that unless there are pages you can't use well now, unless you are just curious,
there isn't any point since it is going to be redone.
Gene
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Greg! Do many blind people use Edge? I got a new win ten laptop. I use google Chrome. I haven’t tried it. I’m willing to learn it. But I was told by other blind people not to use it.
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From: Greg
Rhodes
I spend most of my computer time browsing with Microsoft Edge and working on documents and spreadsheets in MS Word and Excel 2016. I’m running the latest version of Windows 10. I need to use a screen reader for almost all of my work these days (magnification is no longer real useful for me).
Given my above uses, can someone give me a couple of examples of where mouse navigation (using the numpad) would be used? I’m trying to figure out if there would be any benefit in my learning mouse navigation commands. Thanks. Thanks.
Greg
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Re: How to activate clickable elements?
Gene
JAWS isn't comparable in routing the mouse to
NVDA. One thing that hasn't been discussed is the Golden Cursor. I
haven't used it so I can't compare it with using object navigation or screen
review. Others will, I hope compare them.
Gene
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From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 11:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to activate clickable
elements? , Using NVDA, How does one rout the mouse just as you would with Jaws? 0-0With Jaws you rout the mouse using insert zero with the num lock off. How does one do this with NVDA? I hope I’m making sense.
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From: Gene
It's the same. Press enter on the clickable item. If that doesn't work, you can try routing and clicking the mouse, just as you do with a link.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: marcio via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM Subject: [nvda] How to activate clickable elements?
Hello guys,
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Re: NVDA with Chrome
cisco <audiogamer2004@...>
Hi there. Actually, I have no problem running NVDA with Google Chrome.
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On Mar 25, 2019, at 6:20 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA with Chrome
Arlene
Hmmm, I use NVDA running Chrome. I have no problems running it using NVDA. How I had Chrome run as the default browser. I was taking an online food safe course. I was receiving tutoring and he doesn’t know win ten. He knew Chrome so I told him to default it. We tried IE but it ran slow. Now my food safe website called the training center is saved on book marks. Here’s a real sick kicker! Expensive Jaws the latest version can get onto the site. I can login but Jaws does not read Click anywhere to begin. If I launch free NVDA NVDA will read click anywhere to begin.
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From: Gene
Sent: March 24, 2019 1:19 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Nbda with chrome
If you use add-ons, try running NVDA with no add-ons running and see if Chrome runs.
If you don't know how to run NVDA with no add-ons running, you do so in the shut down dialog of NVDA, ask here.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
I use Windows 10 1809, latest nvda and chrome. Most of time nvda hangs when I use chrome. I faced this problem in previous version of chrome as well. How to fix it?
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Re: Mouse Navigation
Arlene
Greg! Do many blind people use Edge? I got a new win ten laptop. I use google Chrome. I haven’t tried it. I’m willing to learn it. But I was told by other blind people not to use it.
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From: Greg Rhodes
Sent: March 24, 2019 1:52 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Mouse Navigation
I spend most of my computer time browsing with Microsoft Edge and working on documents and spreadsheets in MS Word and Excel 2016. I’m running the latest version of Windows 10. I need to use a screen reader for almost all of my work these days (magnification is no longer real useful for me).
Given my above uses, can someone give me a couple of examples of where mouse navigation (using the numpad) would be used? I’m trying to figure out if there would be any benefit in my learning mouse navigation commands. Thanks. Thanks.
Greg
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Re: How to activate clickable elements?
Thanks for the answer, Gene!
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Wonder why this kind of element is necessary since it's about the same like a button, a link or whatever. Well it's technology isn't it!? Em 25/03/2019 01:28, Gene disse:
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Re: How to activate clickable elements?
Hi Quentin,
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Thanks for the answer :) Glad to know there's no hard work involved on dealing with these little guys. Never thought it'd be so easy. Em 24/03/2019 23:39, Quentin
Christensen disse:
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Re: How to activate clickable elements?
Arlene
Yes, With my food safe class there’s lots of clickable buttons I’ll try thatwhen I’m in there.
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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: March 24, 2019 7:39 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to activate clickable elements?
Hi Marcio,
If something is designated as clickable, it can be for various reasons. In some cases, it is otherwise a standard button or link, and can be activated just like any other button or link. In some cases, it is a piece of text that the author wants to behave like a button or link, and you might be able to activate it with enter or space. In some cases you can interact with it in other ways - for instance a badly programmed element might be looking for the mouse and be difficult to access with the keyboard. In some cases, the object may not be able to be activated at all, it just says it is clickable.
In short, try interacting with it as you would the type of element it seems like it should be.
Regards
Quentin.
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Re: How to activate clickable elements?
Arlene
, Using NVDA, How does one rout the mouse just as you would with Jaws? 0-0With Jaws you rout the mouse using insert zero with the num lock off. How does one do this with NVDA? I hope I’m making sense.
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From: Gene
Sent: March 24, 2019 9:27 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] How to activate clickable elements?
It's the same. Press enter on the clickable item. If that doesn't work, you can try routing and clicking the mouse, just as you do with a link.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: marcio via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM Subject: [nvda] How to activate clickable elements?
Hello guys,
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Re: How to activate clickable elements?
Gene
It's the same. Press enter on the clickable
item. If that doesn't work, you can try routing and clicking the mouse,
just as you do with a link.
Gene
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From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2019 7:15 PM
Subject: [nvda] How to activate clickable
elements? Just yesterday, on another list I am in, there was a person asking how to deal with clickable elements on a page. Well, main difference between us is that the person wanted to know how to do it with JAWS and I'm using NVDA, of course. I gave a reply saying that I was hoping the way of dealing with these elements would be the same both using JAWS and NVDA, then I would be waiting for answers. Trouble is, no answer at all thus far. Nor about JAWS nor NVDA. So there we are. How to deal with these elements using our favorite screen reader ever? :) Thanks in advance guys
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Re: How to activate clickable elements?
Quentin Christensen
Hi Marcio, If something is designated as clickable, it can be for various reasons. In some cases, it is otherwise a standard button or link, and can be activated just like any other button or link. In some cases, it is a piece of text that the author wants to behave like a button or link, and you might be able to activate it with enter or space. In some cases you can interact with it in other ways - for instance a badly programmed element might be looking for the mouse and be difficult to access with the keyboard. In some cases, the object may not be able to be activated at all, it just says it is clickable. In short, try interacting with it as you would the type of element it seems like it should be. Regards Quentin.
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Re: Kindle for PC
Quentin Christensen
Hi Don, NVDA first got support for Kindle for PC (version 1.19 at the time) in NVDA 2017.1, and it has improved since then. We do have a few notes on using Kindle for PC in the NVDA user guide: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#Kindle If you do have any specific questions or run into any problems, please do let us know. Note that as per the first line in that section I linked to, this functionality is only available in Kindle books designated with "Screen Reader: Supported" which you can check on the details page for the book. Kind regards Quentin.
On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 7:49 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote: Does NVDA work well with Kindle for PC for reading Kindel books? --
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