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Re: another reading issue

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi Brian,
I use Microsoft Professional Plus 2013, it is an MS Word document. This
happens when I click on the doc to open from the Explorer not from within
Word which I haven't tried to find out if it does the same.
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

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Subject: Re: [nvda] another reading issue

What sort of document in what program and version?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert" <casablanca_31@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 3:39 PM
Subject: [nvda] another reading issue


Hi,
When opening a password protected document NVDA does not read the password
request dialogue and the info boxes where the info is to be entered.
Any idea?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop

Windows key + Enter should, hopefully, get narrator to start talking, and,
it should be able to read some of the logon screen to you, but, only
really
allows you to navigate using tab, and arrow keys.

Good luck

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop


I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking for
your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the power
options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop, so
it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA, you can
do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the logon
and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably an
UAC
prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings
dialog
has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John

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AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
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disabilities which are available at no cost.











Re: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10

Pascal Lambert
 

Well said. I am still not convinced of the advantage of Win10 over Win7. I'll wait for the August update to decide whether I'll ditch it or not.
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10

For the record and reading some of the chatter elsewhere there seems to be several issues here. Firstly, the dodgy access does not just affect nvda, it tends to affect all the screenreaders. There is an inferred criticism from Microsoft that they should be using the new api developed for Edge etc, to get around these issues not the older uia or msaa. However as has been pointed out by manufacturers of the screenreaders, since the Edge api has been buggy and altered so often, it would mean continual updates of the screenreaders when it got broken, so best to use thedevil you know.
The real issue from my point of view as an outsider is that Microsoft should have actually got this working properly before they unleashed the operating system at all, so its all their fault,but that is me saying that, and I'm not party to secret discussions behind the scenes.
There has been and still is a rumour circulating that Windows will have its own inbuilt screenreader 'shortly'.
However if the evolution seen or rather not seen in Narrator is anything to go by, its not even close yet.
Maybe they are buying the rights to Window Eyes instead who knows.

I have one machine with 10 on it and it is not so much the lack of accessibility I find annoying but the way it seems to stop you doing many things you should be able to do as an admin in the past, and of course the reliance on those tonka toy designed ribbon menues.
Brian


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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10


Hello,


Just for a little perspective, I'm running a Macbook Air with Windows 10
since about a month after Windows 10 came out, and of course, my screen
access is NVDA. I'm quite happy with it.


What doesn't work, I just avoid. Even so, I think it works just fine.


js




On 7/1/16 9:30, Shaun Everiss wrote:
One thing though, nvda is going to have to support win10 by the time it
upgrades because home users will get it automatically.
I can defur the systems I have on pro into the non upgrade branch for a
time but as I can't justify defuring a remote for the only reason that I
can't access it since I only maintain those, I would like to have the
systems I let upgrade, upgraded so I could see what was what.
The only good thing is as long as search works, the settings app, ie, and
the desktop I could get buy while you worked with things.



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One of the options seems to be that new versions of win 10 come along
and break accessibility in some cases.
I don't think this occurs though if you just take windows updates and
not whole new builds such as insiders get.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "蔡宗豪 Victor Cai"
<surfer0627@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 3:13 AM
Subject: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10


Hi all,
Windows10 has been released for almost one year. Is this still the case?

Here is a quote from NV Access (Last update: 5 April 2016 00:25 UTC):
we recommend that most users delay upgrading to or purchasing a
computer with Windows 10 until further notice.
resource from:
http://www.nvaccess.org/win10/

Regards,

Victor Cai








Re: Nuance Vocaliser

CJ
 

Hi, thanks for responding.

I'm trying to set the NVDA log level to debug, but can't find a way to do it to obtain a log file.

Could you give me some instructions, please?

In the meantime, I've installed a trial version of the Code Factory bundle with Nuance, which means I at least have the Daniel voice back for the time being. I would rather have my paid licence version working again rather than have to fork out for another one, though.

Many thanks
CJ

On 01/07/2016 23:37, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello CJ!

One of your activations is being renewed successfully until July, 1...

Please, set the NVDA log level to debug and send a log file to:
rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: CJ
Data: sexta-feira, 1 de julho de 2016 21:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: [nvda] Nuance Vocaliser



Hello

I've been happily using NVDA with the Nuance Vocaliser Daniel voice. Today
it suddenly reverted to eSpeak, and I keep getting an error saying that the
vocaliser synthesizer could not be loaded.

I've rebooted, uninstalled the vocaliser driver, reinstalled it, uninstalled
NVDA, reinstalled it and then reinstalled the vocaliser driver, but I'm
still having the same problem.

Can anyone help, please? This is really frustrating me as I can't cope with
the eSpeak voices and I really don't like the Microsoft voices which are the
only alternative at the moment.

Thanks

CJ







Re: Touch cursor support

Gene
 

It autoopens because it interprets you moving to it in the same way as though you were hovering a mouse over it, at least that's my interpretation.  Why this icon reacts in this way is something I don't know. 
 
But the fact that the problem doesn't exist with the system tray dialog add on is more than sufficient reason for me to use the add on.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support

no its just a status window.
you can't interact with it.
you just open and close the start menu quickly then its normal.



On 2/07/2016 9:17 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> Does anyone know how to interact with the auto opening app in windows
> 7for available networks which in the system tray. Unless you cursor over
> it fast, it just blots the screen out with an apparently empty shell of
> a window, though sighted people tell me this is not so. Why it should
> auto open when you clearly do not click anything is most odd, but I have
> two 7 machines here with the same problem.
> Brian
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support
>
>
> Hi,
>
> A good example is Windows 10’s Settings app (Windows+I) where you do
> need to use object navigation to read descriptions of settings.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Brian Vogel
> Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:00 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support
>
>
>
> Joseph Lee wrote:  "If you are using Windows 8, 8.1 or 10, use of object
> navigation is essential when using newer style apps."
>
> Joseph, is there any material somewhere that gives some discussion or
> examples of using object navigation and the review cursor using some
> "real world" example?
>
> I have not been able to get my arms around this, and it's probably
> because I'm trying to use it "in the wrong place."  I strongly suspect
> that had I known how to use these features the step-by-step pizza
> ordering instructions for the Pizza Hut website I was trying to create
> might have been completed. I had one of those rare "throw up my hands
> and walk away" moments because I could not figure out how to get NVDA to
> "play correctly" with the various pop-up overlays, etc., and I'm almost
> certain it can.
>
> Even if you could direct me to either an app or a website that's a good
> sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.
>



Re: opening links within a message

 

Well ms didn't want internet exploder and I aggree with them.
THe problem is the edge system was never finnished and since they keep working with it and the new uia library who knows.
I wouldn't be surprised if everyone ditches all that and uses their own drivers again.

On 2/07/2016 9:26 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I wonder if there is some way to uninstall it. I doubt it as just a few
of the applets in windows seem to use its code to display things very
badly in most cases!
To be honest I simply do not understand why we needed yet another
browser at all.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


Oh that edge! I hope one day it will stop taking over! I hope
Microsoft will
provide a solution to have any browser take over as you choose. Not Edge
trying to take over. There has to be a work around to have any
browser be
default without Edge trying to take over.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 2:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Strange but it still happens! Edge wants to take over!
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Happens to me as well, at times, and seems like edge keeps on trying
to take
back control of protocol types, etc.

As in, while, maybe an htttp link will still open with either firefox, or
chrome, depending on which I have set as default browser, but, then an
https
link will open in edge, etc. etc.

Haven't found a way to stop this from happening consistently as of
yet, but
anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


That is strange. If you have firefox set as your browser then it
should be
it. Not edge.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] opening links within a message

Hi,
I have the browser set to Firefox. However when I click on a link
within
an
email message, it is opened with MSFT Edge. This does not happen all
the
time.
Any idea?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure
Desktop

Windows key + Enter should, hopefully, get narrator to start talking,
and,
it should be able to read some of the logon screen to you, but, only
really
allows you to navigate using tab, and arrow keys.

Good luck

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure
Desktop


I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly
into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking for
your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the power
options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure
desktop, so
it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA, you
can
do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the logon
and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably an
UAC
prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings
dialog
has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way
I > can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John

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AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.

























.


Re: Touch cursor support

 

no its just a status window.
you can't interact with it.
you just open and close the start menu quickly then its normal.

On 2/07/2016 9:17 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Does anyone know how to interact with the auto opening app in windows
7for available networks which in the system tray. Unless you cursor over
it fast, it just blots the screen out with an apparently empty shell of
a window, though sighted people tell me this is not so. Why it should
auto open when you clearly do not click anything is most odd, but I have
two 7 machines here with the same problem.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support


Hi,

A good example is Windows 10’s Settings app (Windows+I) where you do
need to use object navigation to read descriptions of settings.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support



Joseph Lee wrote: "If you are using Windows 8, 8.1 or 10, use of object
navigation is essential when using newer style apps."

Joseph, is there any material somewhere that gives some discussion or
examples of using object navigation and the review cursor using some
"real world" example?

I have not been able to get my arms around this, and it's probably
because I'm trying to use it "in the wrong place." I strongly suspect
that had I known how to use these features the step-by-step pizza
ordering instructions for the Pizza Hut website I was trying to create
might have been completed. I had one of those rare "throw up my hands
and walk away" moments because I could not figure out how to get NVDA to
"play correctly" with the various pop-up overlays, etc., and I'm almost
certain it can.

Even if you could direct me to either an app or a website that's a good
sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.


Re: the vocalizer's webSite

 

Well I had something like this check your date and time.
I had issues back in the past before I got a basic ups.
Power outage due to storm, network dead system updating time things to far in advance.
Eventually windows failed to update then said it was not legal and I should buy the licence.
It then said if it was not the case check the time and yeah it was hosed totally.
Resetting the time, worked though I had to clear several blog entries that had got screwed and such and then I had to remove and reload avg, and run dimention4 and then it worked as expected.
I have 2 ups unites and plan to upgrade with a dc battery for the network system with an 8 hour charge on it.

On 2/07/2016 9:02 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Well could be a certificate mismatch or some add on reckons the web site
is unsafe for some reason, maybe an anti virus?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Георги Ламбов"
<obichamlegiona@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:56 PM
Subject: [nvda] the vocalizer's webSite


hi group!

Did anyone visit vocalizer for NvdA in the last time? I've visited it
several times at last and always receive the same announcement: unsure
connection. First I decided the problem is on my browser or anywhere
else. But soon I've understood that the problem is with the site because
visiting another webSites, all was in order with my searches. So, I
decided to announce this here.

Cheers!

Georgi


---
Този имейл е проверен за вируси от Avast.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus







Re: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10

 

Which is why I havn't bothered upgrading.with 3 or so weeks left I won't be upgrading.
And if this continues I may never upgrade again at all security be damned.
10 started out as something large, and cool, but there are just to many things wrong with it to call it a good os.

On 2/07/2016 8:43 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
For the record and reading some of the chatter elsewhere there seems to be
several issues here. Firstly, the dodgy access does not just affect
nvda, it
tends to affect all the screenreaders. There is an inferred criticism from
Microsoft that they should be using the new api developed for Edge etc, to
get around these issues not the older uia or msaa. However as has been
pointed out by manufacturers of the screenreaders, since the Edge api
has been buggy and altered so often, it would mean continual updates of
the screenreaders when it got broken, so best to use thedevil you know.
The real issue from my point of view as an outsider is that Microsoft
should have actually got this working properly before they unleashed the
operating system at all, so its all their fault,but that is me saying
that, and I'm not party to secret discussions behind the scenes.
There has been and still is a rumour circulating that Windows will have
its own inbuilt screenreader 'shortly'.
However if the evolution seen or rather not seen in Narrator is anything
to go by, its not even close yet.
Maybe they are buying the rights to Window Eyes instead who knows.

I have one machine with 10 on it and it is not so much the lack of
accessibility I find annoying but the way it seems to stop you doing
many things you should be able to do as an admin in the past, and of
course the reliance on those tonka toy designed ribbon menues.
Brian


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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Sanfilippo"
<john.sanfilippo@verizon.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10


Hello,


Just for a little perspective, I'm running a Macbook Air with Windows 10
since about a month after Windows 10 came out, and of course, my screen
access is NVDA. I'm quite happy with it.


What doesn't work, I just avoid. Even so, I think it works just fine.


js




On 7/1/16 9:30, Shaun Everiss wrote:
One thing though, nvda is going to have to support win10 by the time it
upgrades because home users will get it automatically.
I can defur the systems I have on pro into the non upgrade branch for a
time but as I can't justify defuring a remote for the only reason that I
can't access it since I only maintain those, I would like to have the
systems I let upgrade, upgraded so I could see what was what.
The only good thing is as long as search works, the settings app, ie, and
the desktop I could get buy while you worked with things.



On 1/07/2016 8:06 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
One of the options seems to be that new versions of win 10 come along
and break accessibility in some cases.
I don't think this occurs though if you just take windows updates and
not whole new builds such as insiders get.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "蔡宗豪 Victor Cai"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 3:13 AM
Subject: [NVDA] NVDA and Windows 10


Hi all,
Windows10 has been released for almost one year. Is this still the
case?

Here is a quote from NV Access (Last update: 5 April 2016 00:25 UTC):
we recommend that most users delay upgrading to or purchasing a
computer with Windows 10 until further notice.
resource from:
http://www.nvaccess.org/win10/

Regards,

Victor Cai














NVDA and office

Mark Tyler <mark@...>
 

Hi asking for a friend
using a old version of NVDA she has uninstalled  office now her NVDA will not speak any menus
i did have this problem along   time ago
and cant remember how i fixed it
if she installed the new version
would that fix the problem
mark.


Re: Touch cursor support

Gene
 

The system tray add on completely eliminates the problem.  It's far past time that this add on or equivalent comes as installed code with NVDA. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ejaz Shah
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support

This does not happen in Windows 10. So, at least that one is fixed in
Windows 10.


On 7/2/2016 2:17 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> Does anyone know how to interact with the auto opening app in windows
> 7for available networks which in the system tray. Unless you cursor
> over it fast, it just blots the screen out with an apparently empty
> shell of a window, though sighted people tell me this is not so. Why
> it should auto open when you clearly do not click anything is most
> odd, but I have two 7 machines here with the same problem.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee"
> <joseph.lee22590@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support
>
>
> Hi,
>
> A good example is Windows 10’s Settings app (Windows+I) where you do
> need to use object navigation to read descriptions of settings.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joseph
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Brian Vogel
> Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:00 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support
>
>
>
> Joseph Lee wrote:  "If you are using Windows 8, 8.1 or 10, use of
> object navigation is essential when using newer style apps."
>
> Joseph, is there any material somewhere that gives some discussion or
> examples of using object navigation and the review cursor using some
> "real world" example?
>
> I have not been able to get my arms around this, and it's probably
> because I'm trying to use it "in the wrong place."  I strongly suspect
> that had I known how to use these features the step-by-step pizza
> ordering instructions for the Pizza Hut website I was trying to create
> might have been completed. I had one of those rare "throw up my hands
> and walk away" moments because I could not figure out how to get NVDA
> to "play correctly" with the various pop-up overlays, etc., and I'm
> almost certain it can.
>
> Even if you could direct me to either an app or a website that's a
> good sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.
>




Re: Touch cursor support

Ejaz Shah
 

This does not happen in Windows 10. So, at least that one is fixed in Windows 10.

On 7/2/2016 2:17 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Does anyone know how to interact with the auto opening app in windows 7for available networks which in the system tray. Unless you cursor over it fast, it just blots the screen out with an apparently empty shell of a window, though sighted people tell me this is not so. Why it should auto open when you clearly do not click anything is most odd, but I have two 7 machines here with the same problem.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support


Hi,

A good example is Windows 10’s Settings app (Windows+I) where you do need to use object navigation to read descriptions of settings.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support



Joseph Lee wrote: "If you are using Windows 8, 8.1 or 10, use of object navigation is essential when using newer style apps."

Joseph, is there any material somewhere that gives some discussion or examples of using object navigation and the review cursor using some "real world" example?

I have not been able to get my arms around this, and it's probably because I'm trying to use it "in the wrong place." I strongly suspect that had I known how to use these features the step-by-step pizza ordering instructions for the Pizza Hut website I was trying to create might have been completed. I had one of those rare "throw up my hands and walk away" moments because I could not figure out how to get NVDA to "play correctly" with the various pop-up overlays, etc., and I'm almost certain it can.

Even if you could direct me to either an app or a website that's a good sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.


Re: Windows logon screen: was Problem with Secure Desktop

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The god mode desktop item is a good thing to have of course, as it makes a list of all the applets and ways to configure windows without having to guess what to search for.

If nobody knows how to implement this let me know and I'll power up the 10 machine and get it off.
Also I could not cope without classic shell either.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 6:54 AM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop


Hi


there is a page I started to put together for windows 10 on the things I
started to change and the option you are loking for is the first option.
it can be found at
http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html


The heading you are looking for is To sign in to User Account automatically


Hope this helps.


I have done this to all of my machines so now they just log in
automatically.


Gene nz



On 2/07/2016 9:43 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:
I'd be very interested on how to get rid of the log on screen in Win
10 as well. I have it set to not need a password, but it still
hesitates there for several seconds waiting for something and then it
will go on and get to Windows desktop just fine but would be good if I
could just bypass this step completely.

Thanks.

Roger







On 7/1/2016 3:39 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:
Hi John


If you do not mind getting rid of it all together so it boots straight
into windows that is easy enough to do, but you might have to tab around
use the arrow keys etc to try and get focus.

I do have a tutorial to get rid of the log on screen if you are
interested just let me know once you get into windows.


You might be able to get to it also with the physical mouse and let it
speak what is under it and get in that way.


Gene nz



On 2/07/2016 12:22 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly
into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking
for your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the
power options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure
desktop, so it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged
in NVDA, you can do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the
logon and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably
an UAC prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings
dialog has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I
can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John


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Re: opening links within a message

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Remember though, that after a month the windows old folder gets completely deleted and the only way back is with a reinstall.



I'd like to see a registry hack tool that can open up all areas read and write to a named admin account, so one does not keep getting dings and little messages about you need to be this or that to do this do you want to be this or that, no thanks I'm me have always been me and let me have access to my bloomin computer!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert" <casablanca_31@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


There are many little other annoyances using Win10. I'll be patient till
the August upgrade otherwise I will ditch it.
Blessings
Pascal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 9:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Oh that edge! I hope one day it will stop taking over! I hope Microsoft will
provide a solution to have any browser take over as you choose. Not Edge
trying to take over. There has to be a work around to have any browser be
default without Edge trying to take over.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 2:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Strange but it still happens! Edge wants to take over!
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Happens to me as well, at times, and seems like edge keeps on trying to take
back control of protocol types, etc.

As in, while, maybe an htttp link will still open with either firefox, or
chrome, depending on which I have set as default browser, but, then an https
link will open in edge, etc. etc.

Haven't found a way to stop this from happening consistently as of yet, but
anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


That is strange. If you have firefox set as your browser then it
should be it. Not edge.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Pascal Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] opening links within a message

Hi,
I have the browser set to Firefox. However when I click on a link
within an email message, it is opened with MSFT Edge. This does not
happen all the time.
Any idea?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Jacob Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure
Desktop

Windows key + Enter should, hopefully, get narrator to start talking,
and, it should be able to read some of the logon screen to you, but,
only really allows you to navigate using tab, and arrow keys.

Good luck

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure
Desktop


I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly
into the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the
NVDA mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get
past this dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking
for your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the
power options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop,
so it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA,
you can do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the
logon and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably
an UAC
prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings
dialog
has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I
can get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on.
Does anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John

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Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
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Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.



























Re: opening links within a message

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I wonder if there is some way to uninstall it. I doubt it as just a few of the applets in windows seem to use its code to display things very badly in most cases!
To be honest I simply do not understand why we needed yet another browser at all.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


Oh that edge! I hope one day it will stop taking over! I hope Microsoft will
provide a solution to have any browser take over as you choose. Not Edge
trying to take over. There has to be a work around to have any browser be
default without Edge trying to take over.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 2:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Strange but it still happens! Edge wants to take over!
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Happens to me as well, at times, and seems like edge keeps on trying to take
back control of protocol types, etc.

As in, while, maybe an htttp link will still open with either firefox, or
chrome, depending on which I have set as default browser, but, then an https
link will open in edge, etc. etc.

Haven't found a way to stop this from happening consistently as of yet, but
anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


That is strange. If you have firefox set as your browser then it should be
it. Not edge.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] opening links within a message

Hi,
I have the browser set to Firefox. However when I click on a link within
an
email message, it is opened with MSFT Edge. This does not happen all the
time.
Any idea?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop

Windows key + Enter should, hopefully, get narrator to start talking, and,
it should be able to read some of the logon screen to you, but, only
really
allows you to navigate using tab, and arrow keys.

Good luck

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop


I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking for
your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the power
options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop, so
it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA, you can
do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the logon
and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably an
UAC
prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings
dialog
has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John

--
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AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.























Re: Touch cursor support

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So do I, I get caught out mostly when I try to do a say all but leave the actual cursor alone which comes out normally as numpad plus, but if you are in the wrong navigation mode you get random results.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support


It's easier, in my opinion, to demonstrate how object navigation works than to try to explain it. After it is demonstrated, an explanation might be helpful but I learned how to use object navigation by experimentation with very little reliance on explanations.

Do the following:
This discussion uses the desktop keyboard layout. I don't use the laptop layout and am notfamiliar with it.
Issue the command numpad insert numpad 7. That is, hold numpad insert and while doing so press 7. Do this until you have moved through the review options you can move to in that way. Then move back using numpad insert numpad one. Stop at object navigation.
Now, open some simple program everyone has on their computer. Let's use Notepad.
Write the word "test."
Now, issue the command numpad insert numpad 4. You will move from the document window to another part of the program.
Now issue the command numpad insert numpad 6. You are back in the document window again. You have moved first to a different object, then back to the document window, the object you started on.
Now issue the command numpad insert numpad 8.
You have moved out of the document window and are now at an object that says untitled notepad window. Move up again with the same command. I'm not sure what you will hear depending on your version of Windows. You may hear desktop window. Try moving to the left and right by object with numpad 4 and 6. At least on my machine, I hear no next, no previous.
So move down one level again with numpad insert numpad 2. On my machine, I can't move to the left but I can move to the right from where I am. If I move to the right enough times, I get to untitled notepad window again.
Move down once to get back into the Notepad program. Start moving to the right, I don't think you can move to the left. If you move enough times, you will be back in the edit field with the word test you wrote awhile ago.

The point is that you first moved to the window, then continuing to move down you moved into the window and then moved right object by object until you got back into the edit field.

Experiment and look around. You may find that by looking around and experimenting, things start to make sense as you conceptualize what you are doing as you move.
Try moving around using the move left and right commands and moving up and down and then using the move left and right commands. Note that you can move to a lot of structures. Some you can move into and some you can't because you are already in them.

If you get lost, you can always return to the program window where you started by alt tabbing out of and then alt tabbing until you return to the window.

This demonstration may not explain things technically precisely accurately in terms of definitions. I'm not sure I know exactly how to explain everything technically accurately. The point is to experiment and get a concept of what you are doing by experimentation and observation.

This may or may not allow you to understand everything. But this kind of experimentation, along with working with a good tutorial section that explains object navigation may allow you to understand it.

Also, note carefully that if you leave NVDA set to screen review, you can't review the screen accurately much of the time if you intend to move somewhere and then use the standard review commands such as numpad 8 read current line. You must have NVDA set for object navigation to have review work reliably. I have said before that most NVDA users don't and won't understand this and that you should automatically be returned to object review when you leave the window you are in. I still feel strongly about this.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support


How is each one invoked?
At 04:03 PM 7/1/2016, you wrote:
Hi,
A good example is Windows 10â?Ts Settings app
(Windows+I) where you do need to use object
navigation to read descriptions of settings.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support


Joseph Lee wrote: "If you are using Windows 8,
8.1 or 10, use of object navigation is essential when using newer style apps."

Joseph, is there any material somewhere that
gives some discussion or examples of using
object navigation and the review cursor using some "real world" example?

I have not been able to get my arms around this,
and it's probably because I'm trying to use it
"in the wrong place." I strongly suspect that
had I known how to use these features the
step-by-step pizza ordering instructions for the
Pizza Hut website I was trying to create might
have been completed. I had one of those rare
"throw up my hands and walk away" moments
because I could not figure out how to get NVDA
to "play correctly" with the various pop-up
overlays, etc., and I'm almost certain it can.

Even if you could direct me to either an app or
a website that's a good sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.

--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how
cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.
~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for
Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"





Re: opening links within a message

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Most of the time I see this is when opening a link, say to a pdf file even though pdf is set to adobe reader it still puts up edge on some links but not all of them.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert" <casablanca_31@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


Strange but it still happens! Edge wants to take over!
Blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 6:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message

Happens to me as well, at times, and seems like edge keeps on trying to take
back control of protocol types, etc.

As in, while, maybe an htttp link will still open with either firefox, or
chrome, depending on which I have set as default browser, but, then an https
link will open in edge, etc. etc.

Haven't found a way to stop this from happening consistently as of yet, but
anyway.

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] opening links within a message


That is strange. If you have firefox set as your browser then it should be
it. Not edge.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pascal
Lambert
Sent: July-01-16 7:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] opening links within a message

Hi,
I have the browser set to Firefox. However when I click on a link within
an
email message, it is opened with MSFT Edge. This does not happen all the
time.
Any idea?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop

Windows key + Enter should, hopefully, get narrator to start talking, and,
it should be able to read some of the logon screen to you, but, only
really
allows you to navigate using tab, and arrow keys.

Good luck

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop


I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking for
your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the power
options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop, so
it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA, you can
do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the logon
and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably an
UAC
prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings
dialog
has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John

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Re: Touch cursor support

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Does anyone know how to interact with the auto opening app in windows 7for available networks which in the system tray. Unless you cursor over it fast, it just blots the screen out with an apparently empty shell of a window, though sighted people tell me this is not so. Why it should auto open when you clearly do not click anything is most odd, but I have two 7 machines here with the same problem.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support


Hi,

A good example is Windows 10’s Settings app (Windows+I) where you do need to use object navigation to read descriptions of settings.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Touch cursor support



Joseph Lee wrote: "If you are using Windows 8, 8.1 or 10, use of object navigation is essential when using newer style apps."

Joseph, is there any material somewhere that gives some discussion or examples of using object navigation and the review cursor using some "real world" example?

I have not been able to get my arms around this, and it's probably because I'm trying to use it "in the wrong place." I strongly suspect that had I known how to use these features the step-by-step pizza ordering instructions for the Pizza Hut website I was trying to create might have been completed. I had one of those rare "throw up my hands and walk away" moments because I could not figure out how to get NVDA to "play correctly" with the various pop-up overlays, etc., and I'm almost certain it can.

Even if you could direct me to either an app or a website that's a good sandbox for this undertaking I'd appreciate it.

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Re: Nuance Vocaliser

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I wonder did the person use a registry cleaner or something as this can sometimes muck about with things like this. Failing that take the computer back to before the problem, if that fails then there is something very suspicious going on.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Laughingthunder" <laughingthunder26@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Nuance Vocaliser


Hi,


Have you tried uninstalling/reinstalling the voice you were using as
well, to see if that helps? That's a rather strange one, as I use
Vocalizer here as well, with no issues.

Hope that helps.


On 7/1/2016 3:20 PM, CJ wrote:

Hello

I've been happily using NVDA with the Nuance Vocaliser Daniel voice.
Today it suddenly reverted to eSpeak, and I keep getting an error
saying that the vocaliser synthesizer could not be loaded.

I've rebooted, uninstalled the vocaliser driver, reinstalled it,
uninstalled NVDA, reinstalled it and then reinstalled the vocaliser
driver, but I'm still having the same problem.

Can anyone help, please? This is really frustrating me as I can't cope
with the eSpeak voices and I really don't like the Microsoft voices
which are the only alternative at the moment.

Thanks

CJ


Re: antivirus / i use a v g

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Yes seems to slow things down and keeps wanting to add stuff you don't need. its bcome bloatware.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Angela Delicata" <angeladelicata@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] antivirus / i use a v g


AVG is the worst I have ever used.


Il 01/07/2016 19:11, Richard Kuzma via Groups.io ha scritto:

I use avg and it works pretty good for me


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Re: opening links within a message

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Could be that not all the relevant page suffix names are set up for IE or Firefox, but still point at edge. this is the same issue one gets with audio files sometimes where, even having winamp, it still tries to open with groove music on some file types unless you go in and change them all Another pain with Windows 10. It would be nice if somebody could make a program to configure things sensible.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert" <casablanca_31@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 3:45 PM
Subject: [nvda] opening links within a message


Hi,
I have the browser set to Firefox. However when I click on a link within an
email message, it is opened with MSFT Edge. This does not happen all the
time.
Any idea?
Thanks and blessings
Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop

Windows key + Enter should, hopefully, get narrator to start talking, and,
it should be able to read some of the logon screen to you, but, only really
allows you to navigate using tab, and arrow keys.

Good luck

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2016 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Windows logon screen: was [nvda] Problem with Secure Desktop


I followed the instructions in the mesage below to copy the current
configuration to the Windows logon screen. However, i missed the
checkbox to have NVDA work at that screen. Now after making some
changes, including setting Windows to never slep, it boots directly into
the logon dialogue and says Configuring Windows. That is the NVDA
mesage, but it won't do anything more. Is there a way to get past this
dialogue and proceed to a normal boot?

Thanks,
John

On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 10:36:32PM -0700, Tyler Spivey wrote:
Secure desktop is the desktop for things like UAC screens, and the
Windows logon screen.

This uses a completely different NVDA profile, with a separate
speech/braille config. By default it's set to espeak.

My first guess is your machine is going to sleep, and it's asking for
your password when it wakes up. You can turn off sleep in the power
options.

If you want to copy the current configuration to the secure desktop, so
it uses the same speech/braille settings as the logged in NVDA, you can
do that.
* Press ctrl+NVDA+G, to open the NVDA General settings.
* Press the button that says Use currently saved settings on the logon
and other secure screens (requires administrator privileges).
* If the secure desktop appears during this process, it's probably an UAC
prompt. Press alt y.
If you want NVDA to work at the logon screen, the General settings dialog
has a checkbox for that as well.

On 6/27/2016 9:54 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If I don't do anything on my machine for a while it goes to Secure
Desktop, whatever that is, and NVDA is not working. The only way I can
get out of it is to shut down the machine and turn it back on. Does
anyone know what Secure Desktop is and how to get rid of it?

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer; President,
AbilitiesSoft, Inc.
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
Website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: 501(C)(3) Nonprofit
Location: Madison, Wisconsin USA
Mission: To develop softwares and provide STEM services for people with
disabilities which are available at no cost.