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Re: Blind people typing Chinese
Thank You.
I would like to try to write Chinese characters, but Microsoft Pinyin is not very well ordered in symplified chinese, but in traditional taiwanese Zhuyin are tone very well presented. Also, Google Pinyin is the best to write symplified, or traditional letters. From My experience, I mostly prefer to write Mandarin in traditional letters, because in traditional Chinese one letter can have various meanings, not like in symplified system. This is My opinion about It. I understand Mandarin, but what about Cantonese? I have noticed, that Hongkong keyboard is on style cangjie, or speedy cangjie, which is method based on this, how characters are written down. I don't know, if there are some jiutping alternatives for Windows. So, It was about writing using keyboard. But, what about Braille? So, about Chinese braille, there is mainland China braille table, Taiwanese braile and Cantonese for Hongkong speaker. But, NVDA currently supported every braile, althought mainland chinese Mandarin braille. Thank You. Marco
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NVDA List, A Reboot
#adminnotice
Nimer Jaber
Hello everyone,
Here's hoping this message finds everyone well.
A bit over a month ago, Brian and I began working together as he became moderator of this list. One of my goals, and Brian's too, was to think of ways to make sure that we are remaining on target with our discussions, that we are a community who is helpful, open to new users as they embark on their journey of learning NVDA, and so on. To that end, Brian worked on a letter to our community. This letter is to provide for a reboot of this list. This is still the same list, but it is not as loose as it has been in some ways, and we believe that it will be more open to new and long-time users alike, while at the same time, allowing us to be productive and efficient in our discussions. Please read this letter. If you have questions, comments, or suggestions, I am requesting that you please e-mail the owner address, found at the bottom of every e-mail. These will be the guidelines moving forward for this list, and they will be sent out to all new users. The NVDA Group has as its central purpose discussing how to use NVDA in order to accomplish any specific task an end user has in mind. Like all screen readers, it is a tool for accessing something else, and really serves no other purpose. Its function as an accessibility tool is, of course, its reason for being. The group has existed for some time now with “unwritten rules or guidelines” some of which really do warrant being put into writing, and I will try to set forth some of those here, illustrating some with examples. The group has subgroups, the main one of which is the Chat Subgroup (see: https://nvda.groups.io/g/chat, Group Email Addresses section) that has as its purpose the asking of virtually any “off-topic” question about anything you can think of, including just socializing. It should be used for exactly that purpose. If you ask yourself the question, “Is what I’m about to ask related to using NVDA directly to accomplish something, using a specific program with NVDA, or to control NVDA itself?,” and the answer is, “No,” then the topic belongs in the NVDA Chat Subgroup, not on the main group. Respectful, even if slightly heated, disagreements will occur occasionally and will be tolerated provided what is described next does not occur. Flaming, name calling, instigating arguments for their own sake that do nothing to advance anyone’s knowledge, pointed rudeness, and similar boorish behavior will not be tolerated. If at any point one of you happens upon a message anywhere in the NVDA Group sphere, main or chat, that you feel fits that description then please report it to the group owner either via e-mail at, nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io, or, if you read via the web interface at https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics, then use the Report this message option that’s a part of the More button at the end of each message. Please don’t add a protest message the topic. If we receive a report and agree with it, the issue will be taken care of promptly. In order to make your experience with the NVDA Group as easy as it can be, we are asking members to please consider the following: 1. Using threaded or conversation view in their respective e-mail client programs and reading through the entirety of a thread before replying. It gets you completely up to speed and avoids a lot of repetition. If you choose not to use threaded/conversation view, please take the time to read through all messages from the group that are in your inbox prior to adding any reply to the group. It’s the only way you can be sure you’re up to speed on any topic when not using threaded/conversation view. 2. If you are virtually certain that your question has likely been asked, and answered, in the past please search the Group Archive first. The Group Archive is located at https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics. At the very top of the page is a search button that allows you to enter the search terms, including exact phrases if you enclose them in quotations, you need to find what you’re looking for. If you get too much back, and need to whittle it down further, there is a Tools button on the search results page that lets you do this in a variety of ways such as specifying a time range, collapsing the individual messages back into topics, and excluding text in signatures. You can also use a web search, if you prefer, where you include the search term site:nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topics with whatever other search operators you might wish to get a narrower result. Also consider using a web search first for questions that have almost certainly been asked frequently and for which myriad answers, often in the form of tutorials, already exist. 3. Think very carefully about the title you are going to give any topic you post. The topic is the first (and, sometimes, only) thing a member sees and that may be how they decide if they’re going to look further. Generic titles, such as “Help Me!,” are not helpful because they give no idea about what. Compare that to something like, “NVDA not reading Excel cell contents,” or, “NVDA setting for pronouncing numbers,” where the exact issue where help is needed is front and center. Even something like, “Need help with the following . . .,” lets the reader know that you are going to present a list of issues. 4. Please avoid, “What is the best . . .?,” topics, because what qualifies as “best” is entirely subjective. Topics of this sort are also always chat topics. If you know you have specific needs then asking, “What {insert program type here} has the following features . . .,” is much more descriptive. If you want to know what programs people like for a specific task, asking, “What’s your favorite . . . and why?,” is far more likely to get you the details you want to have. Notice that none of the above questions include, “to work with NVDA.” If you’re asking something like, “Which {insert program class here} has worked well for you with NVDA?,” then it’s a main group topic. 5. Any topic that is not about using NVDA to accomplish a task, or how to control NVDA, belongs in the chat subgroup, not the main group. The moderator and owner will be taking the above into account, and will be trying follow those guidelines very closely for themselves and all members, which really should not be difficult. There will likely be some locking of topics the main group accompanied by a note that the chat subgroup is where it should be taken up until it becomes habitual for those looking for “off central topic” information to start topics on the chat group. If we lock your topic please do not take it as a personal affront; this transition will come more naturally to some than others, and there are limited options for gentle guidance after a point. I will also ask that everyone take the time to read the following tutorial, which I put together, about: Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx) Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (PDF) Each of you has the ability to mute topics that don’t interest you, get digests instead of individual messages, or to set up topic preview for yourself via the Following Only and First Messages Also features used in conjunction with each other. It is up to you to use those to manage your e-mail as you see fit. It’s almost certain that there will be plenty of topics on the chat subgroup that will not be of the least interest to you as an individual. Setting up topic preview lets you pick and choose what you want to continue to see, and this function can be used on any Groups.io group. Cultures are created by the consistent application of guidelines and rules, and that’s what we’re setting out to do. Sincerely, Nimer Jaber Brian Vogel NVDA Group Owner NVDA Group Moderator
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Last action in ms excel key F4
Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh
Hello friends There is a difference when I press the key f4 in jaws and in NVDA In Jaws it performs the last action in excel but it is not the same case when using NVDA Is there any alternate key combination to achieve the same Ahtesham
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Re: In ms word how to search a particular word
Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh
Are there more pdf readers apart from adobe reader?
On Sat, 6 Apr 2019 at 3:25 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote: Hmm, that did not seem to work for me here. Which mode should word be in
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Re: Weather_Plus5.5 update available
Kwork
Oh, sorry, I said the wrong key. Oops. I meant NVDA+w. Travis
On 4/6/2019 4:45 PM, Adriano Barbieri
via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: Weather_Plus5.5 update available
Adriano Barbieri
Hi, ctrl + w does not work, it is not part of Weather_Plus. Maybe you mean ctrl + shift + w?
Regards Adriano
Il 07/04/2019 01:28, Kwork ha scritto:
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Re: Weather_Plus5.5 update available
Kwork
Thank you for the update. Now my ctrl+w does nothing when pressed. The other commands do work as expected for forecast, etc. Hope this can be fixed soon. Uninstall/reinstalling did not fix. Travis
On 4/6/2019 5:44 AM, Adriano Barbieri
via Groups.Io wrote:
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Re: Free Accessible Sound Design Course
JM Casey
Looks like they will be using Reaper.
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Follow the link on the second page for a pretty good audio course.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sile via Groups.Io Sent: April 6, 2019 6:01 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Free Accessible Sound Design Course Hello Robert I followed these links and am trying to figure out whether Sable is available yet, or whether you are supposed to start the course with Reaper? --Sile On 2019-04-05 8:56 a.m., Robert Kingett wrote: The below comes from the blind gamers group
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Re: Free Accessible Sound Design Course
Sile
Hello Robert
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I followed these links and am trying to figure out whether Sable is available yet, or whether you are supposed to start the course with Reaper? --Sile
On 2019-04-05 8:56 a.m., Robert Kingett wrote:
The below comes from the blind gamers group <https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers> on this site. Enjoy. I'm too lazy to provide links and edit the below message so use it as you wish. Don't ask me questions about sound design. I won't answer them. Direct them to, the, below!
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Re: SAPI5 crashing NVDA
Sile
Yes, I will follow up with them.
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--Sile
On 2019-04-06 5:01 p.m., Gene wrote:
Others may discuss the matter. I don't use the product but I haven't heard complaints of it just becoming unregistered for no reason at unpredictable and arbitrary times. Others can tell you under what conditions it may happen. and if it should need registering in the future, you can use another voice in the meantime. Others will have to comment further.
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Re: SAPI5 crashing NVDA
Gene
Others may discuss the matter. I don't use
the product but I haven't heard complaints of it just becoming unregistered for
no reason at unpredictable and arbitrary times. Others can tell you under
what conditions it may happen. and if it should need registering in the
future, you can use another voice in the meantime. Others will have to
comment further.
Gene
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From: Sile via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] SAPI5 crashing NVDA Sile
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Re: SAPI5 crashing NVDA
Sile
True, I guess it’s just a question of having confidence or not having confidence in the product. If you never know when it’s going to do this on you, it’s a bit worrying, especially when you boot up to give a class or something.
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Sile
On Apr 6, 2019, at 4:35 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
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Re: SAPI5 crashing NVDA
Gene
You probably registered them. But what I've
heard, and it may or may not be true, is that they may need registration again
if you don't use them for a certain amount of time, perhaps a month, perhaps
more, I don't recall. Whatever the case, you now know how to get out of
the problem if it occurs and you can register the voices again for free.
You may want to ask Code Factory when the voices may need reregistration.
Why are you so quick to give up on something you paid for and want? Many
people have successfully dealt with the problem.
Gene
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From: Sile via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] SAPI5 crashing NVDA Sile > On Apr 6, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote: > > I think the CodeFactory voices say that, at least the sapi ones. Uninstall that, or complain to them but it won't do much good. > The obvious thing they could've done is say please register along with your text. That would have been annoying enough to get people to register, but not kill your ability to fix it in the process. > For future reference, press control+NVDA+s, w, enter to switch back to OneCore. > >> On 4/6/2019 11:01 AM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote: >> Hello >> I have SAPI voices installed on my windows 10 machine as well as Windows 10 core voices and code factory voices. I am not using a SAPI voice but occasionally when I start up my machine SAPI 5 will take ove and say 'please register this product' when I type any key. I usually have to get sighted assistance to navigate back to the NVDA menu and switch to another voice. >> Has anyone else had this happen? MOre importantly, how can I uninstall SAPI 5 voices altogether? I had a microsoft specialist remotely log in to my machine and he was not able to advise me as to how to do this. >> I would say this problem happens about every three months. >> Yours, >> --Sile > > > >
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Re: Blind people typing Chinese
Michael Munn
I just checked this program still exist. The last release was 2017. Thanks best regaards Michael Munn Michael Munn Member: Virginia Association of Blind students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Maryland www.nfbmd.org Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 3:54 PM Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:
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Re: Blind people typing Chinese
Michael Munn
There used to be a input method called Sogou. This requires a person to know how to spell a word in Chinese using Pinyin. it's also a fast way to input a Chinese character in a timely manner. the major dis advantage is that this program requires a person to choose the character after they type. This is because china have over two thousands characters. . A lot of them sound's the same. If you don't pay any attention on what you are writing you more then likely to get laughed at. That was like four years ago. I don't know is this program still exist. Thanks Best regards Michael Munn Michael Munn Member: Virginia Association of Blind students National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Maryland www.nfbmd.org Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019 at 1:33 PM Clement Chou <chou.clement@...> wrote:
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Re: SAPI5 crashing NVDA
Sile
Thanks Tyler, this is really helpful. The thing is, I thought I had registered my coat factory voices. I don’t know why they suddenly forgot this. But I think I’m going to uninstall the whole thing… What a waste of money…
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Sile
On Apr 6, 2019, at 2:19 PM, Tyler Spivey <tspivey@...> wrote:
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Re: SAPI5 crashing NVDA
Tyler Spivey
I think the CodeFactory voices say that, at least the sapi ones. Uninstall that, or complain to them but it won't do much good.
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The obvious thing they could've done is say please register along with your text. That would have been annoying enough to get people to register, but not kill your ability to fix it in the process. For future reference, press control+NVDA+s, w, enter to switch back to OneCore.
On 4/6/2019 11:01 AM, Sile via Groups.Io wrote:
Hello
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Re: SAPI5 crashing NVDA
Gene
You should be able to uninstall whatever voice is
causing the problem just as you uninstall any program. Let's say that you
are using a SAPI 5 version of Eloquence. If that is the voice causing the
problem, uninstall it as you would any program. SAPI voices are just
programs.
I don't know if Windows still comes with any SAPI 5
voices but you don't have to worry about those. They aren't causing the
problem. Something that wants you to register it is causing the problem
and it can be uninstalled in the usual way.
Gene
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I have SAPI voices installed on my windows 10 machine as well as Windows 10 core voices and code factory voices. I am not using a SAPI voice but occasionally when I start up my machine SAPI 5 will take ove and say 'please register this product' when I type any key. I usually have to get sighted assistance to navigate back to the NVDA menu and switch to another voice. Has anyone else had this happen? MOre importantly, how can I uninstall SAPI 5 voices altogether? I had a microsoft specialist remotely log in to my machine and he was not able to advise me as to how to do this. I would say this problem happens about every three months. Yours, --Sile
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SAPI5 crashing NVDA
Sile
Hello
I have SAPI voices installed on my windows 10 machine as well as Windows 10 core voices and code factory voices. I am not using a SAPI voice but occasionally when I start up my machine SAPI 5 will take ove and say 'please register this product' when I type any key. I usually have to get sighted assistance to navigate back to the NVDA menu and switch to another voice. Has anyone else had this happen? MOre importantly, how can I uninstall SAPI 5 voices altogether? I had a microsoft specialist remotely log in to my machine and he was not able to advise me as to how to do this. I would say this problem happens about every three months. Yours, --Sile
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Re: Blind people typing Chinese
Clement Chou
I am interested in this as well!
On Sat, Apr 6, 2019, 9:16 AM Mallard <mallard@...> wrote: Please, copy me if you reply privately to this question. I'm interested
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