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Re: Blind people typing Chinese

Clement Chou
 

Hi Brian.

Japanese Braille doesn't differentiate between Katakana and Hiragana
symbols. But it would be closer to say that the braille represents
Hiragana. That is a little difficult to explain though if you don't
know the three writing systems and the way they work, which is beyond
the scope of this topic.

And as a general uestion since we're discussing Chinese, does anyone
know of any tts voices that suporting reading of any hinese dialects
aside from Mandarin and Cantonese? I am looking specifically for one
that reads the Min-nan dialect, also known as fujian, Hokkien,
taiwanese, etc.

On 4/8/19, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@gmail.com> wrote:
I kind of agree with you sir. I'm a Chinese Immigrant and I studied at the
Beijing School for the Blind for 3 years and In BSB Students are required
to learn braille. During Computer classes,I was taught how to use a Screen
reader called Sunshine. I was also taught to use Sogou. Another advantage
about Sougou is that a person can custemmize it's dictionary that make's
life much easier for those people who are doing a job as a court reporter.
Braille display is an expensive tool in China that a blind person by itself
can't afford. Only the School for the Blind and the Beijing Talking book
Library or the Braille and Talking book Library of China have them. Thanks
Best Regards
Michael Munn
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
www.hadley.edu





On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:22 AM Clement Chou <chou.clement@gmail.com>
wrote:

Thanks for the fascinating information Larry!

On 4/7/19, Larry Wang <larry.wang.801@gmail.com> wrote:
There are numerous Chinese input methods. This was a key problem when
processing Chinese with computers. There are roughly one hunderd
thousand number of Chinese characters. About six thousand of them are
mostly used in daily life. But there are only about one hunderd keys on
keyboard. At first publishing houses use big key board with many keys.
Input methods based on pinyin or zhuyin is not very popular at that
time
since you need to spend many time on finding the correct character you
want to type. Also users at that time mostly rely on word processing
jobs, accuracy and efficiency is important.
A man called Wang JiangMin invented WuBi.With that you can type in most
Chinese character within four letters, as long as you memorize a set of
rules and practice for about a week.
At about 2006, people brought smart prediction into pinyin input
methods. The experience of pinyin input methods are much better now.
Since most people in mainland China have already learned pinyin in
primary school. Other types of input methods which requires additional
rules practice start fading away. Few people learn other input methods.
Wubi and other input methods are now learned by professionals and
enthusiasts. Sougou is the most popular one of these pinyin input
methods. But smart prediction is based on collecting your keyborad
input
data, so there is a privacy issue. Sougou pinyin also pop up
advertisement sometimes. So I do not recomment using this. Input
methods
bundled with operation system is just enough.

Support for microsoft pinyin and wubi is broken in windows 10 and 8.1
so
you may find it hard to use.

As for braille.
There are three types of braille in mainland China. Two of them are in
NVDA, another one has just been published about a year ago and has not
gain popularity yet. However all of them are based on pinyin. They
cannot represent the shape of Chinese characters. Most schools for
blind
in mainland China do not teach how to write Chinese characters. So even
if you use braille input, you still have to choose between many
candidates. Someone created a braille based on Chinese characters, but
it is not widely used. Braille display is more expensive than smart
phones and computers and its usage is very limited. Braille has
advantage in proof reading and learing but the nature of Chinese
braille
make braille less appealing for students. Word segmentation and tone
mark makes braille even harder to understand. Even braile itself is not
popular among blind people in China.








Selecting sentences with NVDA

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Is there a way to select sentences while navigating sentence by sentence with the sentence nav add-on?
While I'm reading and reviewing complex documents I need to navigate sentence by sentence to properly understand it. Sometimes for revisions I'm also required to select particular sentences. Right now, I use the typical command of shift+ctrl+right arrow or shift+down arrow to do so. Is there a more effficient way out there?

All inputs are welcome
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

 

Hi,

It is a late alpha version. Essentially, Edge follows Chromium’s release model with some differences:

  • Canary: equivalent to NVDA’s alpha snapshots, released daily.
  • Dev: mostly late alpha – the most stable canary build for a given week, released weekly.
  • Beta: a snapshot of dev branch released every six weeks.
  • Release: some more refined beta version.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

 

Hi Joseph

 

so which version would this one be. I was not really planning to do a tutorial yet it was more taking it for a test drive and to see what it looked like and felt like.

Plus to let others know sound wise the layout etc.

 

I did not go into the help section but would this be a alfa version? i was expecting it to be more broken but was surprised when i navigated around it etc.

 

Gene nz

 

On 9/04/2019 2:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

I advise waiting until beta version comes out to do a tutorial on it, and when you do one, don’t forget to remind people that this is really a repackaged Chromium.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

 

Hi

 

if any one is interested later on today i can do a audio recording of nvda been used on it and to show nvda so far seems to be working nicely with it. Plus also link to it for others to try it out if they missed the first link.

 

It will give some a idea of what it looks like etc planning to do some updates tonight to the website so can include or link to the recording in the email.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 9/04/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

Just downloaded it and taking it for a test drive.

 

Apart from the word dev in the title bar and using the chrome menu setup for the menus it handles the web pages nicely it seems as though you can use all of the quick navigation keys in nvda. A bit more playing around and going into the settings etc but you would think you are driving chrome browser.

 

See if i can find any qwerks in it.

 

Gene nz

 

On 9/04/2019 6:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:

download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Re: Blind people typing Chinese

Michael Munn
 

I kind of agree with you sir. I'm a Chinese Immigrant and I studied at the Beijing School for the Blind for 3 years and In BSB Students are required to learn braille. During Computer classes,I was taught  how to use a Screen reader called Sunshine. I was also taught to use Sogou. Another advantage about Sougou is that a person can custemmize it's dictionary that make's life much easier for those people who are doing a job as a court reporter. 
Braille display is an expensive tool in China that a blind person by itself can't afford. Only the School for the Blind and the Beijing Talking book Library or the  Braille and Talking book Library of China have them. Thanks 
Best Regards 
Michael Munn 
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind





On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:22 AM Clement Chou <chou.clement@...> wrote:
Thanks for the fascinating information Larry!

On 4/7/19, Larry Wang <larry.wang.801@...> wrote:
> There are numerous Chinese input methods. This was a key problem when
> processing Chinese with computers. There are roughly one hunderd
> thousand number of Chinese characters. About six thousand of them are
> mostly used in daily life. But there are only about one hunderd keys on
> keyboard. At first publishing houses use big key board with many keys.
> Input methods based on pinyin or zhuyin is not very popular at that time
> since you need to spend many time on finding the correct character you
> want to type. Also users at that time mostly rely on word processing
> jobs, accuracy and efficiency is important.
> A man called Wang JiangMin invented WuBi.With that you can type in most
> Chinese character within four letters, as long as you memorize a set of
> rules and practice for about a week.
> At about 2006, people brought smart prediction into pinyin input
> methods. The experience of pinyin input methods are much better now.
> Since most people in mainland China have already learned pinyin in
> primary school. Other types of input methods which requires additional
> rules practice start fading away. Few people learn other input methods.
> Wubi and other input methods are now learned by professionals and
> enthusiasts. Sougou is the most popular one of these pinyin input
> methods. But smart prediction is based on collecting your keyborad input
> data, so there is a privacy issue. Sougou pinyin also pop up
> advertisement sometimes. So I do not recomment using this. Input methods
> bundled with operation system is just enough.
>
> Support for microsoft pinyin and wubi is broken in windows 10 and 8.1 so
> you may find it hard to use.
>
> As for braille.
> There are three types of braille in mainland China. Two of them are in
> NVDA, another one has just been published about a year ago and has not
> gain popularity yet. However all of them are based on pinyin. They
> cannot represent the shape of Chinese characters. Most schools for blind
> in mainland China do not teach how to write Chinese characters. So even
> if you use braille input, you still have to choose between many
> candidates. Someone created a braille based on Chinese characters, but
> it is not widely used. Braille display is more expensive than smart
> phones and computers and its usage is very limited. Braille has
> advantage in proof reading and learing but the nature of Chinese braille
> make braille less appealing for students. Word segmentation and tone
> mark makes braille even harder to understand. Even braile itself is not
> popular among blind people in China.
>
>
>
>




Re: Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Joseph


so which version would this one be. I was not really planning to do a tutorial yet it was more taking it for a test drive and to see what it looked like and felt like.

Plus to let others know sound wise the layout etc.


I did not go into the help section but would this be a alfa version? i was expecting it to be more broken but was surprised when i navigated around it etc.


Gene nz


On 9/04/2019 2:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

I advise waiting until beta version comes out to do a tutorial on it, and when you do one, don’t forget to remind people that this is really a repackaged Chromium.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

 

Hi

 

if any one is interested later on today i can do a audio recording of nvda been used on it and to show nvda so far seems to be working nicely with it. Plus also link to it for others to try it out if they missed the first link.

 

It will give some a idea of what it looks like etc planning to do some updates tonight to the website so can include or link to the recording in the email.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 9/04/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

Just downloaded it and taking it for a test drive.

 

Apart from the word dev in the title bar and using the chrome menu setup for the menus it handles the web pages nicely it seems as though you can use all of the quick navigation keys in nvda. A bit more playing around and going into the settings etc but you would think you are driving chrome browser.

 

See if i can find any qwerks in it.

 

Gene nz

 

On 9/04/2019 6:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:

download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install

 

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 10:08 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Isn’t this an interesting mess?
Yep.  It will be interesting to see what MS turns up.

My next step would be a repair install, but I'd let MS take a look first.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 


Re: Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

 

Hi,

I advise waiting until beta version comes out to do a tutorial on it, and when you do one, don’t forget to remind people that this is really a repackaged Chromium.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

 

Hi

 

if any one is interested later on today i can do a audio recording of nvda been used on it and to show nvda so far seems to be working nicely with it. Plus also link to it for others to try it out if they missed the first link.

 

It will give some a idea of what it looks like etc planning to do some updates tonight to the website so can include or link to the recording in the email.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 9/04/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

Just downloaded it and taking it for a test drive.

 

Apart from the word dev in the title bar and using the chrome menu setup for the menus it handles the web pages nicely it seems as though you can use all of the quick navigation keys in nvda. A bit more playing around and going into the settings etc but you would think you are driving chrome browser.

 

See if i can find any qwerks in it.

 

Gene nz

 

On 9/04/2019 6:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:

download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Re: Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


if any one is interested later on today i can do a audio recording of nvda been used on it and to show nvda so far seems to be working nicely with it. Plus also link to it for others to try it out if they missed the first link.


It will give some a idea of what it looks like etc planning to do some updates tonight to the website so can include or link to the recording in the email.


Gene nz



On 9/04/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Just downloaded it and taking it for a test drive.


Apart from the word dev in the title bar and using the chrome menu setup for the menus it handles the web pages nicely it seems as though you can use all of the quick navigation keys in nvda. A bit more playing around and going into the settings etc but you would think you are driving chrome browser.


See if i can find any qwerks in it.


Gene nz


On 9/04/2019 6:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:
download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Blind people typing Chinese

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Clement Chou & List:
Thank you for the information on writing Chinese characters on a keyboard.

Have been told Japanese has Hierkana for writing Japanese words and Katakana for spelling foreign words letter-by-letter. Have been told Japanese Braille uses only the Katakana symbols.

Interesting Braille is not widely used in China.
Brian K. Lingard


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Clement Chou
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 10:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Blind people typing Chinese

Thanks for the fascinating information Larry!

On 4/7/19, Larry Wang <larry.wang.801@gmail.com> wrote:
There are numerous Chinese input methods. This was a key problem when
processing Chinese with computers. There are roughly one hundred
thousand number of Chinese characters. About six thousand of them are
mostly used in daily life. But there are only about one hundred keys
on keyboard. At first publishing houses use big key board with many keys.
Input methods based on pinyin or zhuyin is not very popular at that
time since you need to spend many time on finding the correct
character you want to type. Also users at that time mostly rely on
word processing jobs, accuracy and efficiency is important.
A man called Wang JiangMin invented WuBi. With that you can type in
most Chinese character within four letters, as long as you memorize a
set of rules and practice for about a week.
At about 2006, people brought smart prediction into pinyin input
methods. The experience of pinyin input methods are much better now.
Since most people in mainland China have already learned pinyin in
primary school. Other types of input methods which requires additional
rules practice start fading away. Few people learn other input methods.
WuBi and other input methods are now learned by professionals and
enthusiasts. Sougou is the most popular one of these pinyin input
methods. But smart prediction is based on collecting your keyboard
input data, so there is a privacy issue. Sougou pinyin also pop up
advertisement sometimes. So I do not recommend using this. Input
methods bundled with operation system is just enough.

Support for Microsoft pinyin and WuBi is broken in windows 10 and 8.1
so you may find it hard to use.

As for braille.
There are three types of braille in mainland China. Two of them are in
NVDA, another one has just been published about a year ago and has not
gain popularity yet. However all of them are based on pinyin. They
cannot represent the shape of Chinese characters. Most schools for
blind in mainland China do not teach how to write Chinese characters.
So even if you use braille input, you still have to choose between
many candidates. Someone created a braille based on Chinese
characters, but it is not widely used. Braille display is more
expensive than smart phones and computers and its usage is very
limited. Braille has advantage in proof reading and l earning but the
nature of Chinese braille make braille less appealing for students.
Word segmentation and tone mark makes braille even harder to
understand. Even braille itself is not popular among blind people in China.


Re: I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

OK, I ran the DISM and SFC things and both found no problems.
 
Isn’t this an interesting mess?
 
Thanks for your post.
 
James B
 
 
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 6:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install
 
My guess is that there is some sort of corruption in your Windows 10 installation.   You can try the following to see if it fixes the issue and allows you to succeed in installing NVDA.  Even if it doesn't, make note of any error messages (or take screen shots) so that you'll have same when you talk to Microsoft.

Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 


Re: Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Just downloaded it and taking it for a test drive.


Apart from the word dev in the title bar and using the chrome menu setup for the menus it handles the web pages nicely it seems as though you can use all of the quick navigation keys in nvda. A bit more playing around and going into the settings etc but you would think you are driving chrome browser.


See if i can find any qwerks in it.


Gene nz


On 9/04/2019 6:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:
download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download
--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

Brice Mijares
 

Thank you for the info.

On 4/8/2019 5:33 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Hi Brise. Its for anyone running Win 10. It ricks!
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*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Brice Mijares <bricemijares@att.net>
*Sent:* Monday, April 8, 2019 8:32:28 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download
is this strictly for the insider program? Or anyone running win ten?
On 4/8/2019 11:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:
download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download


Re: Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

Lino Morales
 

Hi Brise. Its for anyone running Win 10. It ricks!

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

                                                                                                               

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...>
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 8:32:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download
 
is this strictly for the insider program? Or anyone running win ten?

On 4/8/2019 11:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:
> download link:
> https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download
>




Re: Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

Brice Mijares
 

is this strictly for the insider program? Or anyone running win ten?

On 4/8/2019 11:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:
download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download


Re: I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install

 

My guess is that there is some sort of corruption in your Windows 10 installation.   You can try the following to see if it fixes the issue and allows you to succeed in installing NVDA.  Even if it doesn't, make note of any error messages (or take screen shots) so that you'll have same when you talk to Microsoft.

Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 


Re: I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi,

I tried both of these. Narrator with or without admin privileges is still not working. I have tried absolutely all suggestions from list members. I'm sure getting curious as to what is going on!

Thank you,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 3:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install

Hi,
the music is expected, and is the NVDA audio logo. I'm quite sure that
this is not an anti-malware problem, as the fact it's playing music
clearly indicates it's executing.
Have you tried using Narrator to grab any and all messages it might
display when it fails?
Have you tried running it with admin privileges? Do not do that if at
all unsure about whether or not it's the correct file.
Best,
Felix


Re: I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install

James Bentley <bentleyj1952@...>
 

Hi Brian and all,

I have tried all of everyone's suggestions with no luck. I did not get a chance to contact Microsoft's Disability Desk today but I will do that tomorrow.

So many list members pitched in to offer very very, good advice. I will let everyone know the solution if I come up with one.

Again, , many thanks,

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 3:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install

If you want it to download with no prompt from the dropbox link given.
Cut and paste the link into notepad, change the0 at the end to a 1 and then
cut it from there and paste it directly into the address bar of the browser.
I'd also suggest that if you have other browsers on the machine you try it
with a different one as it could be that the browser has become faulty
somehow. it is always a good thing to have more then one browser.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2019 5:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install


Hi


For the latest version you can grab it from my drop box account at
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cg23n7knez2pzyx/nvda_2019.1.exe?dl=0

It sounds if it is only 1 meg or so it is still downloading and the full
version is about 22 meg.


You can check on your downloads by pressing the CTRL key + letter J to bring
up the downloader in your browser.


Could i ask also what version of Windows are you running as if it is XP or
vista you can only go up to nvda 2017.3 but 7 and up you can grab the
latest.


Gene nz


On 8/04/2019 3:23 PM, James Bentley wrote:
It looks like I am not getting the full download. I would love to know why.

In the mean time, I would definitely appreciate you drop boxing me the file.

Thanks,

James B



From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install


Hi



I just downloaded the latest copy of it just then the server is up.I am
guessing your copy is a full download? like mentioned in the previous email.



If need be i can drop box the one i just downloaded.



Gene nz



On 8/04/2019 2:27 PM, James Bentley wrote:
I have downloaded it two times in the past with other laptops. But, the
first time for this laptop.

I do not get past the music. No dialog at all. I did try alt+y just in
case.

I have tried to save this and run it. I have tried to just run it. Same
results.

Maybe their server has been down for over one day.

The only thing that I have recently changed on my end is just that I
upgraded to Jaws 2019 on both computers. Of course, I tried J17 just in
case. No dice.

Cheers,

James B



From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Sunday, April 7, 2019 9:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I Can't get the latest version of NVDA to install


Hi



is this the first time you have ever installed NVDA or have you had a
earlier version.



the file that wouldive come down would be named nvda 2019.1.exe and when you
click on it or try to get it to load it will make a musical sound then come
up with a documentation screen. YOu will need to agree to it by pressing the
space bar then tab to the first option which will be install to your
computer then press the enter key. If it seems to be getting stuck
installing it it might be that the UAC screen has come up and nvda can not
see it if this is the case use the ALT key + letter Y to say yes to it and
it should keep on installing then say it has been installed with a ok
button.



Or is it just not going any further after you hear the sound?



Gene nz



On 8/04/2019 1:45 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Hi all,

I went to:

http://www.nvaccess.org/

and downloaded a very small file that looks like it is suppose to install
NVDA. When I open it, I get a few seconds of music and then nothing.

I have tried with both Chrome and IE for over 24 hours now. So, maybe
someone can tell me what I am doing wrong?

Cheers,

James B




--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK
sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you
please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed
on the APNK network please visit the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use
NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library
network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following
links. Software available
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884 How to
start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have
sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK
sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you
please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed
on the APNK network please visit the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use
NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library
network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following
links. Software available
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884 How to
start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have
sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK
sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you
please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed
on the APNK network please visit the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use
NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library
network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following
links. Software available
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884 How to
start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have
sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: In regard to "The Reboot" and Topics

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

And, with that,

I'm done.

unsubscribing.

On 4/8/2019 6:30 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Hello All,

          What follows is not intended to call out specific users (as I have posted on one of the topics, and really shouldn't have) but because two topics that have appeared today are perfect examples of topics better suited to the Chat subgroup.

           It is a baseline assumption that virtually anyone who frequents this group, with the exception of myself, is using NVDA in conjunction with anything and everything they do on the computer.   But the fact that you're using NVDA doesn't mean a topic is actually about using NVDA.

           The topic on the Em-Dash (and En-Dash) is really about how to generate these characters in various programs, but not about NVDA itself in any way.  The topic regarding editing PowerPoint presentations, likewise, is about PowerPoint, not NVDA.  None of the answers offered on either of these topics deals with NVDA, but with commands for other software.

            I'm asking folks to please, please, join the Chat Subgroup (chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io) and ask yourself the question, “Is what I’m about to ask related to using NVDA directly to accomplish something, using a specific program with NVDA, or to control NVDA itself?,” and if the answer is, "No," then launch the topic on the Chat subgroup instead.  I'm actually hoping that there will be an increase in traffic such as the two topics I mentioned above, as people like to ask others they know and trust about this sort of thing, but I would like that traffic to be on the Chat subgroup.  If the question is of the type, "How do I make {insert program here} do {insert behavior here}?," then that's really not in the "using a specific program with NVDA" class, but is about using that program and its features via the keyboard.

            This transition is definitely a work in progress, and will remain so for a while.  There will also definitely be topics where the distinction is not entirely clear, too.  I'm just asking that people actually pose the previously mentioned questions and let the answers to same be their guides as to whether to launch a topic on NVDA Main versus NVDA Chat.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 


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In regard to "The Reboot" and Topics

 

Hello All,

          What follows is not intended to call out specific users (as I have posted on one of the topics, and really shouldn't have) but because two topics that have appeared today are perfect examples of topics better suited to the Chat subgroup.

           It is a baseline assumption that virtually anyone who frequents this group, with the exception of myself, is using NVDA in conjunction with anything and everything they do on the computer.   But the fact that you're using NVDA doesn't mean a topic is actually about using NVDA.

           The topic on the Em-Dash (and En-Dash) is really about how to generate these characters in various programs, but not about NVDA itself in any way.  The topic regarding editing PowerPoint presentations, likewise, is about PowerPoint, not NVDA.  None of the answers offered on either of these topics deals with NVDA, but with commands for other software.

            I'm asking folks to please, please, join the Chat Subgroup (chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io) and ask yourself the question, “Is what I’m about to ask related to using NVDA directly to accomplish something, using a specific program with NVDA, or to control NVDA itself?,” and if the answer is, "No," then launch the topic on the Chat subgroup instead.  I'm actually hoping that there will be an increase in traffic such as the two topics I mentioned above, as people like to ask others they know and trust about this sort of thing, but I would like that traffic to be on the Chat subgroup.  If the question is of the type, "How do I make {insert program here} do {insert behavior here}?," then that's really not in the "using a specific program with NVDA" class, but is about using that program and its features via the keyboard.

            This transition is definitely a work in progress, and will remain so for a while.  There will also definitely be topics where the distinction is not entirely clear, too.  I'm just asking that people actually pose the previously mentioned questions and let the answers to same be their guides as to whether to launch a topic on NVDA Main versus NVDA Chat.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 


Re: having trouble editing a powerpoint presentation with NVDA

molly the blind tech lover
 

thanks ☺️


On Mon, Apr 8, 2019, 4:59 PM Deenadayalan Moodley <deenadayalan.moodley@...> wrote:

Good day,

 

Ctrl+m creates a new slide.  CTRL+n creates a new presentation.

 

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Monday, 08 April 2019 9:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] having trouble editing a powerpoint presentation with NVDA

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I am trying to edit a powerpoint presentation I’m working on with some of my classmates. So far we have two slides. When I press control plus N to create slide three. NVDA says slide one. I started editing the slide. But when I saved it, it appears to have gotten saved as a separate powerpoint from the one we were working on. Basically, my new slides do not show up in the powerpoint we’re working on. Howdo I edit the powerpoint we already started without creating a new presentation?

I hope this makes sense.