Hi Brian.

Japanese Braille doesn't differentiate between Katakana and Hiragana
symbols. But it would be closer to say that the braille represents
Hiragana. That is a little difficult to explain though if you don't
know the three writing systems and the way they work, which is beyond
the scope of this topic.

And as a general uestion since we're discussing Chinese, does anyone
know of any tts voices that suporting reading of any hinese dialects
aside from Mandarin and Cantonese? I am looking specifically for one
that reads the Min-nan dialect, also known as fujian, Hokkien,
taiwanese, etc.

On 4/8/19, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:

I kind of agree with you sir. I'm a Chinese Immigrant and I studied at the
Beijing School for the Blind for 3 years and In BSB Students are required
to learn braille. During Computer classes,I was taught how to use a Screen
reader called Sunshine. I was also taught to use Sogou. Another advantage
about Sougou is that a person can custemmize it's dictionary that make's
life much easier for those people who are doing a job as a court reporter.
Braille display is an expensive tool in China that a blind person by itself
can't afford. Only the School for the Blind and the Beijing Talking book
Library or the Braille and Talking book Library of China have them. Thanks
Best Regards
Michael Munn
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
www.hadley.edu





On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:22 AM Clement Chou <chou.clement@...>
wrote:

Thanks for the fascinating information Larry!

On 4/7/19, Larry Wang <larry.wang.801@...> wrote:

There are numerous Chinese input methods. This was a key problem when
processing Chinese with computers. There are roughly one hunderd
thousand number of Chinese characters. About six thousand of them are
mostly used in daily life. But there are only about one hunderd keys on
keyboard. At first publishing houses use big key board with many keys.
Input methods based on pinyin or zhuyin is not very popular at that
time
since you need to spend many time on finding the correct character you
want to type. Also users at that time mostly rely on word processing
jobs, accuracy and efficiency is important.
A man called Wang JiangMin invented WuBi.With that you can type in most
Chinese character within four letters, as long as you memorize a set of
rules and practice for about a week.
At about 2006, people brought smart prediction into pinyin input
methods. The experience of pinyin input methods are much better now.
Since most people in mainland China have already learned pinyin in
primary school. Other types of input methods which requires additional
rules practice start fading away. Few people learn other input methods.
Wubi and other input methods are now learned by professionals and
enthusiasts. Sougou is the most popular one of these pinyin input
methods. But smart prediction is based on collecting your keyborad
input
data, so there is a privacy issue. Sougou pinyin also pop up
advertisement sometimes. So I do not recomment using this. Input
methods
bundled with operation system is just enough.

Support for microsoft pinyin and wubi is broken in windows 10 and 8.1
so
you may find it hard to use.

As for braille.
There are three types of braille in mainland China. Two of them are in
NVDA, another one has just been published about a year ago and has not
gain popularity yet. However all of them are based on pinyin. They
cannot represent the shape of Chinese characters. Most schools for
blind
in mainland China do not teach how to write Chinese characters. So even
if you use braille input, you still have to choose between many
candidates. Someone created a braille based on Chinese characters, but
it is not widely used. Braille display is more expensive than smart
phones and computers and its usage is very limited. Braille has
advantage in proof reading and learing but the nature of Chinese
braille
make braille less appealing for students. Word segmentation and tone
mark makes braille even harder to understand. Even braile itself is not
popular among blind people in China.

Hi,

It is a late alpha version. Essentially, Edge follows Chromium’s release model with some differences:

• Canary: equivalent to NVDA’s alpha snapshots, released daily.
• Dev: mostly late alpha – the most stable canary build for a given week, released weekly.
• Beta: a snapshot of dev branch released every six weeks.
• Release: some more refined beta version.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 7:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

 

Hi Joseph

 

so which version would this one be. I was not really planning to do a tutorial yet it was more taking it for a test drive and to see what it looked like and felt like.

Plus to let others know sound wise the layout etc.

 

I did not go into the help section but would this be a alfa version? i was expecting it to be more broken but was surprised when i navigated around it etc.

 

Gene nz

 

On 9/04/2019 2:18 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

I advise waiting until beta version comes out to do a tutorial on it, and when you do one, don’t forget to remind people that this is really a repackaged Chromium.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

 

Hi

 

if any one is interested later on today i can do a audio recording of nvda been used on it and to show nvda so far seems to be working nicely with it. Plus also link to it for others to try it out if they missed the first link.

 

It will give some a idea of what it looks like etc planning to do some updates tonight to the website so can include or link to the recording in the email.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 9/04/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

Just downloaded it and taking it for a test drive.

 

Apart from the word dev in the title bar and using the chrome menu setup for the menus it handles the web pages nicely it seems as though you can use all of the quick navigation keys in nvda. A bit more playing around and going into the settings etc but you would think you are driving chrome browser.

 

See if i can find any qwerks in it.

 

Gene nz

 

On 9/04/2019 6:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:

download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

On Mon, Apr 8, 2019 at 10:08 PM, James Bentley wrote:

Isn’t this an interesting mess?

Yep. It will be interesting to see what MS turns up.

My next step would be a repair install, but I'd let MS take a look first.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

~ Edward Abbey

I kind of agree with you sir. I'm a Chinese Immigrant and I studied at the
Beijing School for the Blind for 3 years and In BSB Students are required
to learn braille. During Computer classes,I was taught how to use a Screen
reader called Sunshine. I was also taught to use Sogou. Another advantage
about Sougou is that a person can custemmize it's dictionary that make's
life much easier for those people who are doing a job as a court reporter.
Braille display is an expensive tool in China that a blind person by itself
can't afford. Only the School for the Blind and the Beijing Talking book
Library or the Braille and Talking book Library of China have them. Thanks
Best Regards
Michael Munn
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
National Federation of the Blind of Virginia www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of the Blind of Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
www.hadley.edu





On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 10:22 AM Clement Chou <chou.clement@...>
wrote:

Thanks for the fascinating information Larry!

On 4/7/19, Larry Wang <larry.wang.801@...> wrote:

There are numerous Chinese input methods. This was a key problem when
processing Chinese with computers. There are roughly one hunderd
thousand number of Chinese characters. About six thousand of them are
mostly used in daily life. But there are only about one hunderd keys on
keyboard. At first publishing houses use big key board with many keys.
Input methods based on pinyin or zhuyin is not very popular at that
time
since you need to spend many time on finding the correct character you
want to type. Also users at that time mostly rely on word processing
jobs, accuracy and efficiency is important.
A man called Wang JiangMin invented WuBi.With that you can type in most
Chinese character within four letters, as long as you memorize a set of
rules and practice for about a week.
At about 2006, people brought smart prediction into pinyin input
methods. The experience of pinyin input methods are much better now.
Since most people in mainland China have already learned pinyin in
primary school. Other types of input methods which requires additional
rules practice start fading away. Few people learn other input methods.
Wubi and other input methods are now learned by professionals and
enthusiasts. Sougou is the most popular one of these pinyin input
methods. But smart prediction is based on collecting your keyborad
input
data, so there is a privacy issue. Sougou pinyin also pop up
advertisement sometimes. So I do not recomment using this. Input
methods
bundled with operation system is just enough.

Support for microsoft pinyin and wubi is broken in windows 10 and 8.1
so
you may find it hard to use.

As for braille.
There are three types of braille in mainland China. Two of them are in
NVDA, another one has just been published about a year ago and has not
gain popularity yet. However all of them are based on pinyin. They
cannot represent the shape of Chinese characters. Most schools for
blind
in mainland China do not teach how to write Chinese characters. So even
if you use braille input, you still have to choose between many
candidates. Someone created a braille based on Chinese characters, but
it is not widely used. Braille display is more expensive than smart
phones and computers and its usage is very limited. Braille has
advantage in proof reading and learing but the nature of Chinese
braille
make braille less appealing for students. Word segmentation and tone
mark makes braille even harder to understand. Even braile itself is not
popular among blind people in China.

Hi Joseph

so which version would this one be. I was not really planning to do a tutorial yet it was more taking it for a test drive and to see what it looked like and felt like.

Plus to let others know sound wise the layout etc.

I did not go into the help section but would this be a alfa version? i was expecting it to be more broken but was surprised when i navigated around it etc.

Gene nz

Hi,

I advise waiting until beta version comes out to do a tutorial on it, and when you do one, don’t forget to remind people that this is really a repackaged Chromium.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

 

Hi

 

if any one is interested later on today i can do a audio recording of nvda been used on it and to show nvda so far seems to be working nicely with it. Plus also link to it for others to try it out if they missed the first link.

 

It will give some a idea of what it looks like etc planning to do some updates tonight to the website so can include or link to the recording in the email.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 9/04/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

Just downloaded it and taking it for a test drive.

 

Apart from the word dev in the title bar and using the chrome menu setup for the menus it handles the web pages nicely it seems as though you can use all of the quick navigation keys in nvda. A bit more playing around and going into the settings etc but you would think you are driving chrome browser.

 

See if i can find any qwerks in it.

 

Gene nz

 

On 9/04/2019 6:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:

download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Hi,

I advise waiting until beta version comes out to do a tutorial on it, and when you do one, don’t forget to remind people that this is really a repackaged Chromium.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Monday, April 8, 2019 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download

 

Hi

 

if any one is interested later on today i can do a audio recording of nvda been used on it and to show nvda so far seems to be working nicely with it. Plus also link to it for others to try it out if they missed the first link.

 

It will give some a idea of what it looks like etc planning to do some updates tonight to the website so can include or link to the recording in the email.

 

Gene nz

 

 

On 9/04/2019 2:06 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

Just downloaded it and taking it for a test drive.

 

Apart from the word dev in the title bar and using the chrome menu setup for the menus it handles the web pages nicely it seems as though you can use all of the quick navigation keys in nvda. A bit more playing around and going into the settings etc but you would think you are driving chrome browser.

 

See if i can find any qwerks in it.

 

Gene nz

 

On 9/04/2019 6:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:

download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Hi

if any one is interested later on today i can do a audio recording of nvda been used on it and to show nvda so far seems to be working nicely with it. Plus also link to it for others to try it out if they missed the first link.

It will give some a idea of what it looks like etc planning to do some updates tonight to the website so can include or link to the recording in the email.

Gene nz

Hi

 

Just downloaded it and taking it for a test drive.

 

Apart from the word dev in the title bar and using the chrome menu setup for the menus it handles the web pages nicely it seems as though you can use all of the quick navigation keys in nvda. A bit more playing around and going into the settings etc but you would think you are driving chrome browser.

 

See if i can find any qwerks in it.

 

Gene nz

 

On 9/04/2019 6:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:

download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

Hi

Just downloaded it and taking it for a test drive.

Apart from the word dev in the title bar and using the chrome menu setup for the menus it handles the web pages nicely it seems as though you can use all of the quick navigation keys in nvda. A bit more playing around and going into the settings etc but you would think you are driving chrome browser.

See if i can find any qwerks in it.

Gene nz

On 9/04/2019 6:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:

download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

Hi Brise. Its for anyone running Win 10. It ricks!
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*Sent:* Monday, April 8, 2019 8:32:28 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Microsoft Chromium version of the Edge browser beta download
is this strictly for the insider program? Or anyone running win ten?
On 4/8/2019 11:24 AM, dingpengyu wrote:

download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download

download link:
https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/download