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Re: Mouse Navigation with NVDA - Do you use it? Do you like it?

Mallard
 

David,

Now I know where I'd met you before this list... Was it on the Optacon list?

Yes, the Optacon is still the most direct way to approach any printed matters or screen content, and it isn't true that it's less efficient.

When I worked at IBM, I wasn't less productive than my sighted colleagues - actually I was moer productive, if anything. That was recognised by both colleagues, boss, and users of teh service.

I used my Optacon to read the text to be translated, consult dictianries, and read teh screen.

This technical ability is now helping me a lot to profit from NVDA's capability to use a physical mouse.
Not all screen readers work well with a physical mouse, and for this I'm particularly grateful to the NVDA devs, who thought of making the programme usable in this mode also.

It's so great to have multiple choices, and technical features that integrate and complement one another.

Ciao,
Ollie

Il 09/03/2016 23:26, David Moore ha scritto:
Hi Ollie,
I am an Optacon user as well. For those who do not know, the Optacon has a small camera you roll over printed material and pins vibrate on a display that form the exact shape of the printed material. You can read any Computer screen with the Optacon, and I can feel right where the mouse pointer is and use the Optacon to read the print around the mouse pointer. One must get their hands on an Optacon. In my opinion, it is the best technology there is, but younger blind people have probably never felt one. How sad, indeed. Have a great one.

-----Original Message----- From: Mallard
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 1:29 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse Navigation with NVDA - Do you use it? Do you like it?


I read something about thie Golden Cursor, but I have no clue as to
where it can be found.
Any ideas or links, please? I'd be interested...
Ciao,
Ollie




Il 09/03/2016 17:36, Aravind R ha scritto:
one add on called golden cursor helps us to navigate mouse using
keyboard by typing pixal positions.
but, we have to experiment the various pixal coordinate positions and learn

On 3/9/16, Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> wrote:
Hello Brian,

I use a mouse from time to time. I have been using an Optacon since 1977
(I still use it daily, especially for multilanguage book reading), so
using a physical mouse isn't all that complicated for me.
Being used to exploring physical, printed pages, certainly represents a
significant advantage in mouse use.

My main difficulty is dealing with the boundaries of the mouse pad...

Ciao,
Ollie




Il 09/03/2016 16:15, Brian Vogel ha scritto:
The subject pretty much says it all. One of the most interesting
features of NVDA from this sighted guy's perspective is mouse
tracking, which announces what's under the mouse pointer, used in
conjunction with the NVDA left and right click keystrokes (or the
actual left and right click buttons on a mouse or mousepad).

By moving the mouse around the screen you get an experience that
strikes me as far more like what someone who can see gets when they're
scanning a webpage quickly to see if there's anything that interests
them. Of course, it takes some getting used to, and you'll probably
have to do some adjustments on mouse behavior (speed and distance of
movement, coasting, and others) to get mouse movement that's
comfortable for you.

I'm just curious as to who may be using this method to cruise around
the screen, and for any program, not just web browsers, and what your
experience was like learning how to use this feature and these
methods. I realize that there are certain applications and contexts
where this would be way more trouble than it's worth, too, and
opinions on where it's worth using and not would be interesting.

My gut tells me that it will be a small cadre that uses this feature
set, but I'm trying to decide whether it's something worth trying to
teach up front or not. There's nothing like asking those who do use
it, or have tried to use it, as a functional navigation alternative to
help shape my thoughts on this.

Brian









Re: defending my self

Mallard
 

Before the thread closes, Zoe,

Hugs from me.
Ollie

Il 10/03/2016 15:40, Zoe Fiogkos ha scritto:

Sorry everyone, but I feel like I have to defend myself. I made an innocent comment on another list that obviously was misinterpreted by someone.I want the owners of this list to know I am not an advocator of illegal software.I asked for help using outlook on a windows 10 laptop and someone suggested I use my old outlook cd from my windows 7 laptop to install it now on my windows 10 laptop.I stated that someone installed it for me a long time ago and I don’t have a cd and don’t know if it’s a legal copy.We all have been there, being new to technology and letting one or more people help us with something we have no idea about.

I remember being so new at computers that when I got my first one, it just sat there for months on a desk, because I had no idea even how to turn it on.I remember hearing the terminology desktop, task bar, etc.and me scratching my head and saying to myself huh?If my outlook copy is legal or not, I have no idea.I certainly can’t be held responsible for what people did to help me over 7 years ago.I sent emails to this group asking for help on how to navigate the office.com website so that I may purchase Microsoft word and or outlook.Apparently I was kicked off another list without warning because supposedly I use illegal software.For the record this is not true.My family just spent this Christmas 850 dollars to buy me a new laptop, I continued to spend 300 dollars to upgrade my jaws licence, I spent 100 dollars to by the code factory vocalizer expressive voices for NVDA, and if I need to I will spend money to buy outlook and word.

I hope this clears up to anyone on this list who I am, and my intentions.People shouldn’t be so quick to judge and accuse.If people use illegal software that’s their choice, I am choosing not to go that route, and for someone to refuse me help and label me that way is unfair and unjust.This topic maybe irrelevant to the list and I’m sorry for that but I wanted to clear my name so that I don’t get kicked off anymore lists unfairly.

Please all accept my apologies and thank you for listening.

Regards

Zoe


Re: good, responsive synthesizers?

Dan Beaver
 

Hi,

When I go through the list of voices I only find Iven but no Iven 3. How do I find Iven 3?

Thanks.

Dan Beaver

On 3/9/2016 11:06 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
in the espeak, did you try iven3?
its very great, lovely, natural, fast and responsive and made me
completely satisfied.


On 3/10/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
The eloquence add on, unless it has been corrected, has lots of annoying
anomalies that shouldn't be in Eloquence. Don't buy it unless you try the
demo first. I haven't seen anything on the list indicating that the
problems have been correct and I've seen recent messages indicating that the
problems have not been.

Let's hope that they will be in future but they may well not be yet.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:18 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?


Hi I know that eloquence addon from code factory works well with nvda and is
responsive. There is also vocalizer adddon for nvda.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver [mailto:dbeaver888@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:35 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?

Hi,

I have a new laptop which has windows 10 onit. It is so new that some
of the old synths I have used in the past on my old laptop won't even
install.

Now I guess I am in the market for a new synth with some new voices.

Which of those offered out there are good in response time and which
handle pronunciation of the most words correctly?

Please do not suggest ESpeak because I have tried it every release of
NVDA and I just can't deal with the voices it has.

I have been using MS David since getting this machine and it is painful
with the sluggish response times.

Thanks for any info. I hope to learn from others rather than having to
learn by painful experience.

Dan Beaver







Re: want to read image pdf and copy the contents

 

hi.
yes. there is OCR addon in the nvda addons website for this goal.

On 3/10/16, Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com> wrote:
friends,
in jaws16, we use document ocr to read pdf on the spot and copy the
text into anywhere we want.
in NVDA, is there any add on or method to achieve the same functionality?

--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613.
email id : aravind_069@yahoo.com, aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com.



--
O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord
and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy
for the believers.
Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should
rejoice; it is better than that which they gather.
holy quran, chapter 10 verses 57 and 58.

please visit al-islam.org


Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo&mrs. AdonnihHappiness Obima Oguledo
 

send mee the link in MP3 please

On 3/10/16, Governor staten <govsta@gmail.com> wrote:
This is in .mp3 format.




On 3/10/2016 10:30 AM, mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo&mrs. AdonnihHappiness
Obima Oguledo wrote:
is it in mp3 or h t m l if h t m l. I cant hear the totoureal

On 3/10/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
What program did you used to record the tutorial? If the desktop is
visible,
I'd assume you use a screen recording program.


--
• Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.


Re: good, responsive synthesizers?

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

I v=cannot tell yyou in 10, as I said, only in 7, and this might cause confusion. I seem to recall a wiki on this subject on the nvda web site, can anyone help?
Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lenron" <lenron93@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?


where can I find this would love to change it.

On 3/10/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
or Quincyor Quincy :-)
One thing I have noticed on most multicore based machines is that
particularly on laptops the speed is turned down for what it terms as idle.

The snag seems to be that some things, and speech and explorer navigation

are often two of them, that these seem to be sluggish. I don't know if
Windows 10 has this feature or not, but 7 surely does and quite a bit of lag

is taken away if you modify the default processor scheme to make idle at
least run at 50 percent of the clock speed, instead of the often crippling

10 per cent.
Obviously this will impact on the battery life, but to me more slick
operation is worth that and if you don't use the screen, you can turn this
off on a laptop and save power that way to compensate.

Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?


hi.
in the espeak, did you try iven3?
its very great, lovely, natural, fast and responsive and made me
completely satisfied.


On 3/10/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
The eloquence add on, unless it has been corrected, has lots of annoying
anomalies that shouldn't be in Eloquence. Don't buy it unless you try
the
demo first. I haven't seen anything on the list indicating that the
problems have been correct and I've seen recent messages indicating that

the
problems have not been.

Let's hope that they will be in future but they may well not be yet.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:18 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?


Hi I know that eloquence addon from code factory works well with nvda and

is
responsive. There is also vocalizer adddon for nvda.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver [mailto:dbeaver888@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:35 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?

Hi,

I have a new laptop which has windows 10 onit. It is so new that some
of the old synths I have used in the past on my old laptop won't even
install.

Now I guess I am in the market for a new synth with some new voices.

Which of those offered out there are good in response time and which
handle pronunciation of the most words correctly?

Please do not suggest ESpeak because I have tried it every release of
NVDA and I just can't deal with the voices it has.

I have been using MS David since getting this machine and it is painful
with the sluggish response times.

Thanks for any info. I hope to learn from others rather than having to
learn by painful experience.

Dan Beaver







--
O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord
and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy
for the believers.
Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should
rejoice; it is better than that which they gather.
holy quran, chapter 10 verses 57 and 58.

please visit al-islam.org






--
Lenron Brown
Cell: 985-271-2832
Skype: ron.brown762


Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

 

This is in .mp3 format.




On 3/10/2016 10:30 AM, mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo&mrs. AdonnihHappiness
Obima Oguledo wrote:
is it in mp3 or h t m l if h t m l. I cant hear the totoureal

On 3/10/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
What program did you used to record the tutorial? If the desktop is visible,
I'd assume you use a screen recording program.


Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo&mrs. AdonnihHappiness Obima Oguledo
 

is it in mp3 or h t m l if h t m l. I cant hear the totoureal

On 3/10/16, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,
What program did you used to record the tutorial? If the desktop is visible,
I'd assume you use a screen recording program.
--
• Watch your thoughts, for they become words.
Watch your words, for they become actions.
Watch your actions, for they become habits.
Watch your habits, for they become character.
Watch your character, for it becomes your destiny.


want to read image pdf and copy the contents

Aravind R
 

friends,
in jaws16, we use document ocr to read pdf on the spot and copy the
text into anywhere we want.
in NVDA, is there any add on or method to achieve the same functionality?

--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613.
email id : aravind_069@yahoo.com, aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com.


Re: Antivirus

 

Hi,

I just gave Sophos Home Cloud Antivirus a try, and I must say, it's reasonably accessible with NVDA, from what I tried in a virtual machine (although it lags, but that's normal for a virtual machine). It's web-based control panel, too, is accessible (at least with Jaws). As Sophos is a company that makes cloud protection sollution for businesses, I would expect the home edition of its cloud antivirus to be equally good, in terms of the level of protection.

P.S I've given up on Nod32, after learning from one of my university staff that I can only update it when my computer is connected to the campus's wi-fi network, which is impossible for my desktop computer at home.


Re: Mouse Navigation with NVDA - Do you use it? Do you like it?

Patrick Le Baudour
 

Hello,

I do maximize the windows... when it is possible, but the less accessible things often are custom-made dialogs that can't be resized.
I had forgotten those bars could be hidden, though. I'll have to do that.

I've had to use it today on a java app that is basically not accessible with the keybord (not that I expected it to, it is a client for a go playing

and chat server that i used to go on a lot when I had sight.).
I had to move the mouse to locate and read me tabs, chat lines, buttons... i guess it was experience enough for me to change my mind a bit, it is workable especially with the bips for coordinated help, but it'll take some time not to be annoyed too much by those beeps.I'll still use the keybord only most of the time, but I may think more easily of the mouse as an alternative now.

Le 09/03/2016 18:36, Brian Vogel a écrit :
On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 09:23 am, Patrick Le Baudour
<p.lebaudour@gmail.com> wrote:

I find it difficult not to be lost and finding a specific item on a
big screen

Patrick, just curious, but do you have the window for the program in
question maximized such that it covers the entire physical screen? That
can at least make things a bit easier since you're not "falling off the
edge" of your program with the exception of hitting the taskbar or
system tray if you keep those visible at all times.

Brian


Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

 

    Hi,
What program did you used to record the tutorial? If the desktop is visible, I'd assume you use a screen recording program.


Re: defending my self

 

Hello Zoe,

Sorry to hear about what you went through. Please write to me and Nimer offlist (at nvda+owner@groups.io) and I’ll try my best to talk to the owner of another list on your behalf. When you do file a report with us (moderators offlist), be sure to tell us the entire story (what you said and responses from the members of the list you were removed; I promise confidentiality).

As it stands, due to sensitive nature of this, this thread will be closed (not that we are against Zoe, but to let Zoe recover from this incident).

 

From: Zoe Fiogkos [mailto:fiogkos@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:40 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] defending my self

 

Sorry everyone, but I feel like I have to defend myself. I made an innocent comment on another  list that obviously was misinterpreted by someone.  I want the owners of this list to know I am not an advocator of illegal software.  I asked for help using outlook on a windows 10 laptop and someone suggested I use my old outlook cd from my windows 7 laptop to install it now on my windows 10 laptop.  I stated that someone installed it for me a long time ago and I don’t have a cd and don’t know if it’s a legal copy.  We all have been there, being new to technology and letting one or more people help us with something we have no idea about.

I remember being so new at computers that when I got my first one, it just sat there for months on a desk, because I had no idea even how to turn it on.  I remember hearing the terminology desktop, task bar, etc.  and me scratching my head and saying to myself huh?  If my outlook copy is legal or not, I have no idea.  I certainly can’t be held responsible for what people did to help me over 7 years ago.  I sent emails to this group asking for help on how to navigate the office.com website so that I may purchase Microsoft word and or outlook.  Apparently I was kicked off another list without warning because supposedly I use illegal software.  For the record this is not true.  My family just spent this Christmas 850 dollars to buy me a new laptop, I continued to spend 300 dollars to upgrade my jaws licence, I spent 100 dollars to by the code factory vocalizer expressive voices for NVDA, and if I need to I will spend money to buy outlook and word. 

I hope this clears up to anyone on this list who I am, and my intentions.  People shouldn’t be so quick to judge and accuse.  If people use illegal software that’s their choice, I am choosing not to go that route, and for someone to refuse me help and label me that way is unfair and unjust.  This topic maybe irrelevant to the list and I’m sorry for that but I wanted to clear my name so that I don’t get kicked off anymore lists unfairly.

Please all accept my apologies and thank you for listening.

Regards

Zoe

 


Re: defending my self

Gwensinfo
 

The licensing for how many machines one can install on can also be confusing. What muddies the waters further is that some software will allow you to install itself on more than one machine, some will not. That can also get extremely confusing

Gwen and the great Orb
sent from my iPhone 5s
"a dog has many friends because he wags his tail and not his tongue  "
Anonymous"

On Mar 10, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Zoe Fiogkos <fiogkos@...> wrote:

Sorry everyone, but I feel like I have to defend myself. I made an innocent comment on another  list that obviously was misinterpreted by someone.  I want the owners of this list to know I am not an advocator of illegal software.  I asked for help using outlook on a windows 10 laptop and someone suggested I use my old outlook cd from my windows 7 laptop to install it now on my windows 10 laptop.  I stated that someone installed it for me a long time ago and I don’t have a cd and don’t know if it’s a legal copy.  We all have been there, being new to technology and letting one or more people help us with something we have no idea about.

I remember being so new at computers that when I got my first one, it just sat there for months on a desk, because I had no idea even how to turn it on.  I remember hearing the terminology desktop, task bar, etc.  and me scratching my head and saying to myself huh?  If my outlook copy is legal or not, I have no idea.  I certainly can’t be held responsible for what people did to help me over 7 years ago.  I sent emails to this group asking for help on how to navigate the office.com website so that I may purchase Microsoft word and or outlook.  Apparently I was kicked off another list without warning because supposedly I use illegal software.  For the record this is not true.  My family just spent this Christmas 850 dollars to buy me a new laptop, I continued to spend 300 dollars to upgrade my jaws licence, I spent 100 dollars to by the code factory vocalizer expressive voices for NVDA, and if I need to I will spend money to buy outlook and word. 

I hope this clears up to anyone on this list who I am, and my intentions.  People shouldn’t be so quick to judge and accuse.  If people use illegal software that’s their choice, I am choosing not to go that route, and for someone to refuse me help and label me that way is unfair and unjust.  This topic maybe irrelevant to the list and I’m sorry for that but I wanted to clear my name so that I don’t get kicked off anymore lists unfairly.

Please all accept my apologies and thank you for listening.

Regards

Zoe

 


Re: defending my self

Gwensinfo
 

You have excellent points. I support your position. When were first expose the computers were not quite sure what footing were on in many cases. And particularly if someone build you a computer. You have the faith that they're doing the right thing which one my brother Bill mine he gave me software. But who knows. There are some great areas. Not everything is black-and-white.

Gwen and the great Orb
sent from my iPhone 5s
"a dog has many friends because he wags his tail and not his tongue  "
Anonymous"

On Mar 10, 2016, at 9:40 AM, Zoe Fiogkos <fiogkos@...> wrote:

Sorry everyone, but I feel like I have to defend myself. I made an innocent comment on another  list that obviously was misinterpreted by someone.  I want the owners of this list to know I am not an advocator of illegal software.  I asked for help using outlook on a windows 10 laptop and someone suggested I use my old outlook cd from my windows 7 laptop to install it now on my windows 10 laptop.  I stated that someone installed it for me a long time ago and I don’t have a cd and don’t know if it’s a legal copy.  We all have been there, being new to technology and letting one or more people help us with something we have no idea about.

I remember being so new at computers that when I got my first one, it just sat there for months on a desk, because I had no idea even how to turn it on.  I remember hearing the terminology desktop, task bar, etc.  and me scratching my head and saying to myself huh?  If my outlook copy is legal or not, I have no idea.  I certainly can’t be held responsible for what people did to help me over 7 years ago.  I sent emails to this group asking for help on how to navigate the office.com website so that I may purchase Microsoft word and or outlook.  Apparently I was kicked off another list without warning because supposedly I use illegal software.  For the record this is not true.  My family just spent this Christmas 850 dollars to buy me a new laptop, I continued to spend 300 dollars to upgrade my jaws licence, I spent 100 dollars to by the code factory vocalizer expressive voices for NVDA, and if I need to I will spend money to buy outlook and word. 

I hope this clears up to anyone on this list who I am, and my intentions.  People shouldn’t be so quick to judge and accuse.  If people use illegal software that’s their choice, I am choosing not to go that route, and for someone to refuse me help and label me that way is unfair and unjust.  This topic maybe irrelevant to the list and I’m sorry for that but I wanted to clear my name so that I don’t get kicked off anymore lists unfairly.

Please all accept my apologies and thank you for listening.

Regards

Zoe

 


defending my self

Zoe Fiogkos <fiogkos@...>
 

Sorry everyone, but I feel like I have to defend myself. I made an innocent comment on another  list that obviously was misinterpreted by someone.  I want the owners of this list to know I am not an advocator of illegal software.  I asked for help using outlook on a windows 10 laptop and someone suggested I use my old outlook cd from my windows 7 laptop to install it now on my windows 10 laptop.  I stated that someone installed it for me a long time ago and I don’t have a cd and don’t know if it’s a legal copy.  We all have been there, being new to technology and letting one or more people help us with something we have no idea about.

I remember being so new at computers that when I got my first one, it just sat there for months on a desk, because I had no idea even how to turn it on.  I remember hearing the terminology desktop, task bar, etc.  and me scratching my head and saying to myself huh?  If my outlook copy is legal or not, I have no idea.  I certainly can’t be held responsible for what people did to help me over 7 years ago.  I sent emails to this group asking for help on how to navigate the office.com website so that I may purchase Microsoft word and or outlook.  Apparently I was kicked off another list without warning because supposedly I use illegal software.  For the record this is not true.  My family just spent this Christmas 850 dollars to buy me a new laptop, I continued to spend 300 dollars to upgrade my jaws licence, I spent 100 dollars to by the code factory vocalizer expressive voices for NVDA, and if I need to I will spend money to buy outlook and word. 

I hope this clears up to anyone on this list who I am, and my intentions.  People shouldn’t be so quick to judge and accuse.  If people use illegal software that’s their choice, I am choosing not to go that route, and for someone to refuse me help and label me that way is unfair and unjust.  This topic maybe irrelevant to the list and I’m sorry for that but I wanted to clear my name so that I don’t get kicked off anymore lists unfairly.

Please all accept my apologies and thank you for listening.

Regards

Zoe

 


Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

Gene
 

I don't know what you do in general and I'm using your description as a general example, not a comment on your general practices.  But as written, the description of how to work with the page is another example of blind people working inefficiently with a web site.  The download control is a button and that is announced when you find it. 
 
You can use your screen-reader's search if you are on the page and it is unfamiliar to you because you don't know what you are looking for.  Search for the word download and repeat the search to see what you find.  The point is that on a site like this, what is the most logical thing to search for when you don't know?  The word Download.  You are on a download page.
You will hear that this is also a button.  In future, on a send space download page, start at the top of the page and use the command b to move to the next button.  You will move immediately to it.
 
You can see my discussions of effective web page navigation by downloading this excerpt from my Internet tutorial
It doesn't deal with things like landmarks in part because it is old and came out before such things.  It also doesn't discuss NVDA because there was no NVDA.  But knowing a few commands such as NVDA search, control nvda key f when using the desktop layout will allow you to work with the tutorial.  Repeat search is control NVDA key f3.  Most NVDA quick web page navigation commands are the same as JAWS.  Try them and ask here if something doesn't work.  B for button, h for heading, and many others are the same. 
 
It is also my strong belief that you learn how to work with web pages without all the new fangled aids, which may or may not be there, depending on the design of the page, and you learn the new fangled things later.  You cannot be a good Internet user if you rely on the kindness of strangers to make such things available. 
 
I may revise these excerpts and release them for use with NVDA.  Far too many blind people receve poor or very little Internet instruction. 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

Hi,
When you enter on his link, arrow down the page until you hear Down load
ctrl + l and press enter. The download dialog will come up. It is an MP3
file, Send Space is just the sharing service, like Drop Box. Have a great
one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, March 9, 2016 11:50 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

Sendspace isn't a format. It's a site for sharing files.



-----Original Message-----
From: mr. Chikodinaka Oguledo&mrs. AdonnihHappiness Obima Oguledo
[mailto:happychikao@...]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 8:26 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA

send it in mp3format not sendspace.com please

On 3/9/16, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:
> Hi,
> thank you so much. I will try using the Gmail web site using this
> tutorial.
> Have a great one.
>
>
> From: Dang Manh Cuong
> Sent: Monday, March 7, 2016 9:38 PM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA
>
> Hi all
> This is the file I did some modification:
> https://www.sendspace.com/file/3n3be6
> Created mono file synce I think this doesn't need stereo Normalized to
> make it a little bit louder Applied compressor to make NVDA and
> naration voice as same as it could I did all of these steps using
> Audacity. Hope this useful for you Cuong
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>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Brandon Keith Biggs
>   To: nvda@groups.io
>   Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2016 12:07 AM
>   Subject: [nvda] Re: Tutorial on using the Gmail Web View with NVDA
>
>   Hello,
>
>
>   Here is a youtube to mp3 converter that is completely accessible:
>
>   http://www.youtube-mp3.org/
>
>
>
>   I record everything in MP4 because I show my screen for sighted viewers.
> If there is anyone who would like to rip it into mp3, please go ahead
> and post it.
>
>
>     There are also what is in the video in the description. It is so
> people can just copy it and view it for later.
>
>   William Brandes emailed me an MP3 version at:
>
>   http://williambrandes.com/a_nvda/
>
>
>
>   It works great, just right-click on the link and click save.
>
>   Thanks,
>
>
>
>   Brandon Keith Biggs
>
>
>


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Re: A curiousity: is nv speech player available for the Italian language?

Angela Delicata
 

Well, I finally got it looking further on Google, thank you.
Angela from Italy

Il 09/03/2016 20:21, nasrin khaksar ha scritto:
hi. yes. its like espeak, has espeak voices and also has all voices
that espeak has.

On 3/9/16, Angela Delicata via Groups.io
<angeladelicata=libero.it@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,
I was trying a synth called nv speech player, but it is in English only:
is there an Italian version also?
It sounds a bit like Eloquence.

Thank you.
Angela from Italy




Re: good, responsive synthesizers?

Lenron
 

where can I find this would love to change it.

On 3/10/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
or Quincyor Quincy :-)
One thing I have noticed on most multicore based machines is that
particularly on laptops the speed is turned down for what it terms as idle.

The snag seems to be that some things, and speech and explorer navigation

are often two of them, that these seem to be sluggish. I don't know if
Windows 10 has this feature or not, but 7 surely does and quite a bit of lag

is taken away if you modify the default processor scheme to make idle at
least run at 50 percent of the clock speed, instead of the often crippling

10 per cent.
Obviously this will impact on the battery life, but to me more slick
operation is worth that and if you don't use the screen, you can turn this
off on a laptop and save power that way to compensate.

Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?


hi.
in the espeak, did you try iven3?
its very great, lovely, natural, fast and responsive and made me
completely satisfied.


On 3/10/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
The eloquence add on, unless it has been corrected, has lots of annoying
anomalies that shouldn't be in Eloquence. Don't buy it unless you try
the
demo first. I haven't seen anything on the list indicating that the
problems have been correct and I've seen recent messages indicating that

the
problems have not been.

Let's hope that they will be in future but they may well not be yet.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:18 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?


Hi I know that eloquence addon from code factory works well with nvda and

is
responsive. There is also vocalizer adddon for nvda.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver [mailto:dbeaver888@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:35 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?

Hi,

I have a new laptop which has windows 10 onit. It is so new that some
of the old synths I have used in the past on my old laptop won't even
install.

Now I guess I am in the market for a new synth with some new voices.

Which of those offered out there are good in response time and which
handle pronunciation of the most words correctly?

Please do not suggest ESpeak because I have tried it every release of
NVDA and I just can't deal with the voices it has.

I have been using MS David since getting this machine and it is painful
with the sluggish response times.

Thanks for any info. I hope to learn from others rather than having to
learn by painful experience.

Dan Beaver







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Re: good, responsive synthesizers?

Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
 

or Quincyor Quincy :-)
One thing I have noticed on most multicore based machines is that particularly on laptops the speed is turned down for what it terms as idle. The snag seems to be that some things, and speech and explorer navigation are often two of them, that these seem to be sluggish. I don't know if Windows 10 has this feature or not, but 7 surely does and quite a bit of lag is taken away if you modify the default processor scheme to make idle at least run at 50 percent of the clock speed, instead of the often crippling 10 per cent.
Obviously this will impact on the battery life, but to me more slick operation is worth that and if you don't use the screen, you can turn this off on a laptop and save power that way to compensate.

Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?


hi.
in the espeak, did you try iven3?
its very great, lovely, natural, fast and responsive and made me
completely satisfied.


On 3/10/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
The eloquence add on, unless it has been corrected, has lots of annoying
anomalies that shouldn't be in Eloquence. Don't buy it unless you try the
demo first. I haven't seen anything on the list indicating that the
problems have been correct and I've seen recent messages indicating that the
problems have not been.

Let's hope that they will be in future but they may well not be yet.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kenny Peyattt jr.
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:18 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?


Hi I know that eloquence addon from code factory works well with nvda and is
responsive. There is also vocalizer adddon for nvda.
Kenny Peyatt jr.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver [mailto:dbeaver888@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2016 9:35 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] good, responsive synthesizers?

Hi,

I have a new laptop which has windows 10 onit. It is so new that some
of the old synths I have used in the past on my old laptop won't even
install.

Now I guess I am in the market for a new synth with some new voices.

Which of those offered out there are good in response time and which
handle pronunciation of the most words correctly?

Please do not suggest ESpeak because I have tried it every release of
NVDA and I just can't deal with the voices it has.

I have been using MS David since getting this machine and it is painful
with the sluggish response times.

Thanks for any info. I hope to learn from others rather than having to
learn by painful experience.

Dan Beaver







--
O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord
and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy
for the believers.
Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should
rejoice; it is better than that which they gather.
holy quran, chapter 10 verses 57 and 58.

please visit al-islam.org