Hi,
thanks for confirming. The more I think about it, the more I am of the
opinion that this might also be related to issue #8389, which I myself
reported, because in the final analysis it has to do with focus
tracking again. Sorry that this is becoming an exercise in
self-reference on my part, but I keep running into ramifications of it
and they are pretty much everything I currently dislike about NVDA,
meaning I pretty much love everything else.
Best,
Felix

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On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, Mohammadreza Rashad wrote:

I definitely can use Tor, proxy or VPN to bypass this issue; but I want to know where is the issue.

Well that, we can probably accomplish. Sorry, I should have thought of this earlier. You need to run a traceroute to nvaccess.org, to see if you can even get out of Iran.

Here's how to do it in windows.
https://unh.edu/it/kb/article/how-to-trace-route-windows.html

The first hop should be your local network. The next several can be increasing levels of your local ISP.

Here's what I get (not using windows; your results may look different). Note that I have removed the first several hops, as they reveal a great deal about my location.:)

If you get out of Iran, you should probably start seeing some of the telia.net hops, as shown below.

7 be-10203-cr02.newyork.ny.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.85.186) 20.766 ms 21.749 ms 21.661 ms
8 be-10368-pe01.111eighthave.ny.ibone.comcast.net (68.86.84.218) 20.821 ms 26.473 ms 26.524 ms
9 nyk-b5-link.telia.net (62.115.148.44) 26.296 ms 26.343 ms 26.556 ms
10 nyk-bb4-link.telia.net (80.91.254.15) 61.535 ms nyk-bb3-link.telia.net (62.115.115.0) 63.564 ms 63.501 ms
11 ash-bb3-link.telia.net (62.115.141.244) 60.615 ms 60.674 ms 48.663 ms
12 atl-b22-link.telia.net (62.115.125.191) 38.201 ms 38.286 ms 35.272 ms
13 dls-b22-link.telia.net (62.115.120.113) 52.197 ms 54.131 ms 50.922 ms
14 linode-ic-342730-dls-b22.c.telia.net (62.115.172.135) 49.100 ms 49.010 ms 56.901 ms
15 45.79.12.5 (45.79.12.5) 52.831 ms 45.79.12.7 (45.79.12.7) 57.495 ms 45.79.12.5 (45.79.12.5) 55.336 ms
16 exbi.nvaccess.org (45.33.21.113) 57.239 ms 57.360 ms 62.290 ms


Luke

On 4/16/19, Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh <mohd.ahtesham@...> wrote:

Hi,
Thanks for the dectalk addons
I have downloaded the file but now need to know how to use it after it
has been installed as an addon and shows in the addons list.
.IKindly help.


On 4/16/19, Michael Munn <michaelrbms@...> wrote:

Here is the link that you can download old Dectalk voice and use it as a
speech sinthesizer for NVDA.
http://grossgang.com/tts/synthesizers%20for%20nvda/dectalk/
Thanks
Best regards
Michael Munn

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The only one I can think of is Deck Talk, but I don't know if
x'savailable
anymore. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful.
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i installed this addon to test its voices.
it was very terrible and difficult to understand for me!

does nvda new version have specific issue or crash with word 2003?
whats the problem exactly?

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As an aside, I have issues with the current nvda in word 2003, but what I
have done is to keep an older nvda as a portable version and am happy to
switch to that when its needed.
I use a batch file to shut one and open the other at will.
Its pretty simple to do in such situations.
I know I'm a dinosaur!
Brian

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Sent: Monday, April 15, 2019 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Help: Using Newest Version of NVDA and Excel 2007
crashing

Fixed: I began wondering if my copy of NVDA had somehow become
corrupted. I reloaded the program and it seems to have fixed the
problem.
Steve

On 4/15/19, Steve Hoad <mainefun40@...> wrote:

Hello: Is it possible that the latest version of NVDA doesn't play
well with Excel 2007? I have been using Windows 10 with these
programs successfully in a previous version of NVDA but now, when I
open Excel it crashes almost immediately.
As an alternative, can I easily roll back to NVDA in a 2018 version
that Excel worked well with?

Any help or information would be appreciated. Thanks,


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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Hi,
Thanks for the dectalk addons
I have downloaded the file but now need to know how to use it after it
has been installed as an addon and shows in the addons list.
.IKindly help.

Dear Dejan,
You are so kind.
I could download the newest version from another source. All I want, is accessing NVDA website as before.

   ***
Best Wishes,
     Mohammadreza Rashad
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On Mon, 15 Apr 2019, Gene wrote:

I doubt that the NVDA site has been blocked.  it is probably on a host, but I'm not sure what the correct word is, that has been blocked so nothing on that
host can be accessed.  for example, a lot of people use Go Daddy to host sites.  If Go Daddy were blocked, you couldn't access The NVDA site.  Others with

A shared host, is what you're talking about. When many websites exist on one machine, probably at the same IP address. It is usually still possible to determine, however, if something is on a dedicated host (as opposed to a shared one), as browsing directly to the IP address will not result in an error or weird page, but will get you right to that site. That is the case here (see my other message).
With virtualization, load balancing, gatewaying, and so on, collectively cloud based web hosting, it is not always easy to tell any more whether something is on a single machine or many, but if the IP address loads the actual site, you can be reasonably sure that it is a dedicated resource and not a shared host, even though it may be several actual machines for that one site.

more technical knowledge can tell the list how you find out who hosts a web site and we may get information about who the host is for the NVDA site.

Well, you can look up the A record for the domain name with any kind of name service lookup tool, and then use that address to gather other information.

In this case, the dedicated (non-shared) server(s) is owned by Linode, which is a cloud hosting company.

You can find that here: https://www.abuseipdb.com/whois/45.33.21.113

But I don't think that knowledge will help the OP any. Likely the best solution for this, is for him to contact someone at NV AccessLimited, and find out whether they or Linode is blocking Iran, or blocking his specific IP address ranges. Linode used to claim that they didn't do this sort of thing, but that was a few years ago. I'm sure individual server owners could do it, if they wanted to embargo Iran for some reason.

Luke

Dear Luke,
I don't receive any error message. Sometimes it says Connection Timed out.
I definitely can use Tor, proxy or VPN to bypass this issue; but I want to know where is the issue.

   ***
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     Mohammadreza Rashad
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Hi friends in trouble,

Would you like me to |Google Drive the latest NVDA down to you so that you may be able to use it till a solution has been found? Would you like me to do the same with some NVDA add-ons?

Let me know and I'm ready!

Dejan

Dear Rosemarie,
As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have received many reports from various places.
Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use, download and update the free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.

   ***
Best Wishes,
     Mohammadreza Rashad
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It may be the IP address that's being blocked, not the provider or site.
It appears that nvaccess.org is on a dedicated server, at the IP address 45.33.21.113
It may be only that IP address that's being blocked, especially if it changed recently and the one it has now used to be something your government did want to block.
The last time they changed anything in that record may have been in December of 2018, but that's only a guess based on some technical information and only the nvaccess people can say for sure.

All that said, if you're getting a 403 error, that probably is nvaccess blocking you for some reason, not the other way around. Can you paste the full text of the error you get?

Lastly, you may be able to use tor to access it. A bit of work to get setup, but if it is a blocking based on geographic location issue, that may very well get you around it. A VPN or a proxy is probably easier, but may not be free.

Luke

Hello

Is there any reasonable way, or is there some way in development, to jump between items on a web page that are "clickable"?

The manual only mentions clickables in regards to the indicator in the braille section, and the checkbox in the document format configuration description, and even in this latter it is very sparse information.

I have found various discussions about clickables, whether they should be spoken, whether lots in a row should be spoken, and how to get them to stop speaking, but nothing about how to navigate them.

For example, if I have a bunch of links on a page, I can skip between them with k, v, u, etc. If there are buttons, I can use b and B. And so on.
But how does one do this with clickables? Sometimes you run into quite long lists of these, and it would be nice to move through them quickly, or to jump to them from another part of the page.

Frankly I'm surprised this has not been done already, but maybe there is some reason I can't think of. Or maybe it is being done and just isn't documented in an obvious way.

Luke

Dear Rosemarie,
As I said before, I have this issue with more than one ISP, and have received many reports from various places.
Dear @Quentin, would you please help me to solve this mysterious problem? I, as a blind person, think that we have right to use, download and update the free NVDA screenreader, like other blind computer users.

   ***
Best Wishes,
     Mohammadreza Rashad
   sent by Nokia 8

You are right the basic intermittent issue has been around generally since the xp days.
If you look at logs you do often see warnings but no actual errors. I do not have some comparison logs handy and as it is quite a small irritation probably low priority, but despite it being in the tracker I did not find it.
My poor search skills probably!
Brian

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Yes this seems to happen a lot on windows 10, not seen it on 7, but have encountered unknown on 7 for no obvious reason so I'm thinking that the software is sending multiple events and depending on which is 'seen' you get different results.
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