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Re: how to copy text using clip speak?

Gene

#60740

I was playing with NVDA key numpad 5 and I tried to copy a graphic to the clipboard in the Notepad dialog asking if you want to save the changes. I couldn't save it. Are graphics not objects?

Gene

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Subject: Re: [nvda] how to copy text using clip speak?

Yes in some cases using screen navigation when it is reading what you want,
you can do it with nvda/numpad 5 three times, then paste it somewhere and
edit out the bits you don't need.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to copy text using clip speak?

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:58 AM, sazid wrote:

>
> i want to copy a text from a dialogue box so how can i use this?

That is, or can be, a completely different thing, as some dialog boxes are
"uncopyable" by typical means.

See: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+copy+dialog+text

Specifically see the second and third result pages, that discuss using
Textify to get "uncopyable" text from certain dialog boxes.

None of this is in any way connected to ClipSpeak.

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Re: A very interesting problem: the use of Spyder outside the Anaconda, a few more questions and advice

Pawel Urbanski <pawel@...>

#60739

Hi, I contributed some fixes to VS Code - it is not so chatty now... I
also created a very simple, but useful NVDA add-on for VS Code...

Just download the latest VS Code - would be great if we somehow could
join forces if more fixes would be useful..
My add-on is over here:
https://github.com/pawelurbanski/nvda-for-vs-code

** Do not worry that it says that there were commits to the repository
- just some typo fixes. **

Best regards,
Pawel

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On 18/04/2019, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Shasa,

              I'm going to reach out to the contacts I have and ask them to
take a look at this topic and reply to you privately.  There seem to be a
lot of "regulars" who are also Python coders, a number of whom work on NVDA
itself and/or its add-ons.

              That being said, the subject of Python coding at the depth and
breadth that your message indicates you want to pursue makes it off-topic
for the NVDA list.  I won't even suggest you take this to the chat group, as
the scope of the discussion you want to have can only occur among seasoned
Python coders.

               I am guessing that you will likely hear from said Python
coders via Private Message or direct e-mail in response to this one.   I am
asking that the topic be closed for ongoing discussion on the NVDA group
itself.
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Re: how to copy text using clip speak?

Brian's Mail list account

#60738

Yes in some cases using screen navigation when it is reading what you want, you can do it with nvda/numpad 5 three times, then paste it somewhere and edit out the bits you don't need.
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to copy text using clip speak?

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:58 AM, sazid wrote:

i want to copy a text from a dialogue box so how can i use this?That is, or can be, a completely different thing, as some dialog boxes are "uncopyable" by typical means.

See: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+copy+dialog+text

Specifically see the second and third result pages, that discuss using Textify to get "uncopyable" text from certain dialog boxes.

None of this is in any way connected to ClipSpeak.

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Re: A very interesting problem: the use of Spyder outside the Anaconda, a few more questions and advice

Brian Vogel

#60737

Shasa,

I'm going to reach out to the contacts I have and ask them to take a look at this topic and reply to you privately. There seem to be a lot of "regulars" who are also Python coders, a number of whom work on NVDA itself and/or its add-ons.

That being said, the subject of Python coding at the depth and breadth that your message indicates you want to pursue makes it off-topic for the NVDA list. I won't even suggest you take this to the chat group, as the scope of the discussion you want to have can only occur among seasoned Python coders.

I am guessing that you will likely hear from said Python coders via Private Message or direct e-mail in response to this one. I am asking that the topic be closed for ongoing discussion on the NVDA group itself.
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A very interesting problem: the use of Spyder outside the Anaconda, a few more questions and advice

Shasa

#60736

Hi all,

I've been thinking about a problem for a long time.
I couldn't solve this problem. I couldn't find a logical explanation.

I have been interested in Python for 3 years. During this time, I
searched for IDEs that can be used by the blind.
For example VSCode, pycharm, Visual Studio ... The list is too long.
I couldn't use any of the IDEs in this list. NVDA had problems
communicating with IDEs.
Then I wanted to make an introduction to machine learning and artificial
intelligence. So I put Anaconda on my computer, which is the best solution
What is this! The Spyder IDE was working well with NVDA. I am very happy.
I especially liked the template feature. The ability to complete code is
also great.
Spyder is connected to the QT interface. QT works well in Anaconda.

I installed Spyder in another version of Python. I wanted to work at
Py2. Installation is smooth.
And yes :-), that's the moment. NVDA works very well in anaconda
deployment, while in another independent version of python, Spyder and
NVDA are not communicating properly.
I have questions. Both distributions are based on QT. However, while
Anaconda deployment works well with NVDA, the packages installed from
PyPI are not working properly. Py2-py3 does not notice. I tried these.
Why is this caused by?

In fact, Anaconda is a huge package. Some of the tools don't work for
me. So I want to install an independent Spyder.
I'm having problems when I set it up. These problems aren't in Anaconda.

And there are several requests:
What should be the code-writing environment for a blind?
What are your IDE preferences?
Experience sharing time :-) .

I wanted to use VSCode. Very complicated, I got alerts and found it more
than cool :-). Then it became unusable. I don't know what the last
situation is.
NodeJS applications are doing great studies in visual field. I think we
can't catch them with NVDA. Modern web technologies will lead us to
where we will be curious and watch.

Re: key repeat shut off

Brian Vogel

#60735

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:51 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Is there not a key repeat and key delay in windows?

Yes, as part of the settings for Filter Keys in Settings, Ease of Access, Keyboard Pane in Windows 10 [and since Marvin's message has Sent from Mail for Windows 10 as it's signature . . .]. It is only available when Filter Keys is toggled ON, otherwise the setting is hidden.

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Re: how to copy text using clip speak?

Brian Vogel

#60734

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 10:58 AM, sazid wrote:

i want to copy a text from a dialogue box so how can i use this?

That is, or can be, a completely different thing, as some dialog boxes are "uncopyable" by typical means.

See: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=windows+copy+dialog+text

Specifically see the second and third result pages, that discuss using Textify to get "uncopyable" text from certain dialog boxes.

None of this is in any way connected to ClipSpeak.

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Re: how to copy text using clip speak?

Gene

#60733

Clipspeak has nothing to do with how you copy text. to copy text you can't get to using the cursor or virtual cursor in browse mode, you need to use review keys.

In the dialog, move to the start of the text with the review keys. Use NVDA f9 to set the start marker.

Move to the end of the text using the review keys. Press f10 twice to copy the text to the clipboard. I'm not sure if you will hear speech the first time you press f10 but it doesn't matter. Press f10 quickly twice.

Gene

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----- Original Message -----

From: sazid

Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 9:58 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to copy text using clip speak?

i want to copy a text from a dialogue box so how can i use this? is
there is any alternative to copy and paste that message?

thanks and regards,
sazid

On 4/18/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> You use the same keys as always. Clipspeak speaks the action being taken.
> That's all it does.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: sazid
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 8:24 AM
> To: nvda
> Subject: [nvda] how to copy text using clip speak?
>
>
> can anyone tell the keys to copy text using clip speak?
>
> thanks and regards,
> sazid
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: how to copy text using clip speak?

sazid

#60732

i want to copy a text from a dialogue  box so how can i use this?  is
there is any alternative to copy and paste that message?

thanks and regards,
sazid

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On 4/18/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You use the same keys as always.  Clipspeak speaks the action being taken.
That's all it does.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: sazid
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 8:24 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] how to copy text using clip speak?

can anyone tell the keys to copy text using clip speak?

thanks and regards,
sazid

Re: key repeat shut off

Sarah k Alawami

#60731

Is there not a key repeat and key delay in windows? I think that's what they mean? I'm not on my windows machine and won't be until probably tomorrow.

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On 18 Apr 2019, at 4:24, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

I'm not sure of what you're wanting.
If you want NVDA to not report each and every key you happen to press, then the command is NVDA+2. If, on the other hand, you want NVDA not to announce commands in general, then you should hit NVDA+4.
Now, if none of them is what you're after, write back so that I can offer further suggestions :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 18/04/2019 08:08, marvin kotler disse:

Good morning list; had some health issues so have not been on for a long time; and forgot is there a shut off of some sort so nvda does not repeat a key over and over? Any help would be appreciated.

marv

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Re: how to copy text using clip speak?

Gene

#60730

You use the same keys as always. Clipspeak speaks the action being taken. That's all it does.

Gene

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From: sazid

Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 8:24 AM

To: nvda

Subject: [nvda] how to copy text using clip speak?

can anyone tell the keys to copy text using clip speak?

thanks and regards,
sazid

Re: latest new windows

Brian Vogel

#60729

Uh, gentlemen, if the question is actually about Windows 10 (as opposed to NVDA interacting with it - which I believe has been addressed as completely as it can be) please take it either to the Chat Subgroup or the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users group.
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Re: how to copy text using clip speak?

Brian Vogel

#60728

I am presuming, based on Mr. Gaff's observations and a ClipSpeak download page, that what you're really asking is about the keyboard shortcuts for selecting text in differing size "chunks."

See: Selecting Text Using Windows Keyboard Shortcuts

After it's selected, CTRL+C is the standard "copy to clipboard" command, as usual.
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Re: how to copy text using clip speak?

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#60727

Does it not merely emulate what windows does in the main?
I find that I get errors, on Microsoft word when I use that add on but for just normal cutting and pasting its the same as windows.
Brian

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From: "sazid" <skstraders.nlr@...>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] how to copy text using clip speak?


can anyone tell the keys to copy text using clip speak?

thanks and regards,
sazid

Re: In-Process for 18th April is out

Brian's Mail list account

#60726

It might be an idea next time to include  a brief resume of what the  emaill lists are for, specifically, since there does seem to be a push to try to get folk to move stuff when it drifts away from the problems with nvda normally seen here to the subgroups.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2019 1:27 PM
Subject: [nvda] In-Process for 18th April is out

Hi everyone,

Our In-Process blog has a new entry, just in time for Easter!

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-18th-april/

This post covers NVDA 2019.1.1, as well as information on the NVDA log, and
why we don't have a Mac (or Android) version.

Have a wonderful Easter!

Quentin.

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Why does Word sometimes take a long time to allow control back?

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#60725

I've noticed this mainly with the last three versions of nvda, and it seems to follow no real pattern, but for those interested in logs..
Brear in mind this is a four core desktop and its usually pretty snappy in windows 7, but the older Winword2003 etc seems to be particularly sluggish. Would this improve if I  shelled out for the latest Word 64 bit version do you think?
IO - speech.speak (14:21:38.437):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'page 2  section 1  align left', u'That is all there was of note in the 18th April list.']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:21:53.400):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
DEBUG - editableText.EditableText._hasCaretMoved (14:21:53.430):
Caret move detected using bookmarks. Elapsed: 0 ms
IO - speech.speak (14:21:53.460):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'blank']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:21:54.160):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
DEBUG - editableText.EditableText._hasCaretMoved (14:21:54.180):
Caret move detected using bookmarks. Elapsed: 0 ms
IO - speech.speak (14:21:54.220):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'That is all there was of note in the 18th April list.']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:21:59.177):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+f4
DEBUGWARNING - IAccessibleHandler.accessibleObjectFromEvent (14:21:59.227):
oleacc.AccessibleObjectFromEvent with window 1180574, objectID -4 and childID 0: [Error -2147024809] The parameter is incorrect
IO - speech.speak (14:21:59.262):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Traffic Bulletin 325- 22.04.19.doc - Microsoft Word']
IO - speech.speak (14:21:59.282):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'edit  multi line']
IO - speech.speak (14:21:59.302):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'page 3  section 1  align left', u'blank']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:22:01.697):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+f4
IO - speech.speak (14:22:01.746):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Microsoft Word  dialog  Do you want to save the changes to "Traffic Bulletin 325- 22.04.19.doc"?']
IO - speech.speak (14:22:01.752):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Yes  button  Alt+y']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:22:02.913):
Input: kb(desktop):rightArrow
IO - speech.speak (14:22:02.941):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'No  button  Alt+n']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:22:03.352):
Input: kb(desktop):enter
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (14:22:03.858):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
 File "nvda.pyw", line 233, in <module>
 File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
 File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
 File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
 File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 897, in pumpAll
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 620, in processGenericWinEvent
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 532, in winEventToNVDAEvent
 File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 40, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 342, in accessibleObjectFromEvent
 File "oleacc.pyo", line 265, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.run (14:22:04.007):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
 File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 897, in pumpAll
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 620, in processGenericWinEvent
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 532, in winEventToNVDAEvent
 File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent
 File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 78, in __call__
 File "watchdog.pyo", line 202, in _COMError_init
CallCancelled
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:22:05.319):
Input: kb(desktop):alt+tab
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:22:07.063):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:22:07.503):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:22:10.375):
Input: kb(desktop):upArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:22:10.736):
Input: kb(desktop):downArrow
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:22:12.499):
Input: kb(desktop):windows+m
DEBUGWARNING - NVDAObjects.IAccessible.IAccessible._get_IAccessibleRole (14:22:13.862):
accRole failed: (-2147024809, 'The parameter is incorrect.', (None, None, None, 0, None))
IO - speech.speak (14:22:14.158):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Desktop  list']
IO - speech.speak (14:22:14.184):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Outlook Express email  55 of 74']
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (14:22:17.937):
Input: kb(desktop):control+alt+r
DEBUG - appModuleHandler.cleanup (14:22:17.976):
application winword closed
IO - speech.speak (14:22:17.993):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'Taskbar']
IO - speech.speak (14:22:18.088):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'reboot nvda with log  terminal']
IO - speech.speak (14:22:18.089):
Speaking [LangChangeCommand ('en_GB'), u'80 space', u'blank']
INFO - core.main (14:22:18.180):
Exiting
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.180):
Terminating updateCheck
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.180):
Terminating watchdog
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.180):
Terminating global plugin handler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.690):
Terminating gui
DEBUG - fileUtils.FaultTolerantFile (14:22:18.703):
C:\Users\Brian\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.iniaftn6c.tmp
INFO - config.ConfigManager.save (14:22:18.721):
Base configuration saved
DEBUG - core.main (14:22:18.721):
calling lose focus on object with focus
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.723):
Terminating treeInterceptorHandler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.724):
Terminating IAccessible support
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.724):
Terminating UIA support
DEBUGWARNING - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.terminate (14:22:18.924):
Timeout or error while waiting for UIAHandler MTA thread
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.924):
Terminating winConsole support
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.924):
Terminating Java Access Bridge support
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.924):
Terminating app module handler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.924):
Terminating NVDAHelper
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.940):
Terminating touchHandler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.940):
Terminating keyboard handler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.940):
Terminating mouseHandler
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.940):
Terminating inputCore
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.940):
Terminating brailleInput
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.940):
Terminating braille
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.941):
Terminating speech
DEBUG - core._terminate (14:22:18.941):
Terminating addonHandler
DEBUG - core.main (14:22:19.996):
core done
INFO - __main__ (14:22:20.019):
NVDA exit


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how to copy text using clip speak?

sazid

#60724

can anyone tell the keys to copy text using clip speak?

thanks and regards,
sazid

Re: latest new windows

Ian Westerland

#60723

Felix, that's good news but, without divulging any Insider secrets, is it doing anything better than what we have now and has Microsoft changed to its new Chrome based Browser?

Cheers.

Ian Westerland

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On 4/18/2019 10:49 PM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
I'm running a Windows Insider pre-release of 1903 and I can report it
hasn't broken anything for me regarding NVDA.
Best,
Felix
Am Do., 18. Apr. 2019 um 00:00 Uhr schrieb Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>:

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 05:57 PM, Isaac wrote:

Well, my question was related to nvda, if the new windows works with the current nvda or will there need to be an update to nvda first?

No, Issac, the entirety of your previous post is:  "Hi, is it true that a new windows 10 is coming, and what will it be called and when is the release."  There is nothing, nothing whatsoever, related to NVDA in it.  Hence the reason for my prior message.

I have yet to see any recent version of NVDA break secondary to a Windows 10 feature update.  I guess it could happen, but it's sure not likely.

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Re: latest new windows

Felix G.

#60722

Hi,
I'm running a Windows Insider pre-release of 1903 and I can report it
hasn't broken anything for me regarding NVDA.
Best,
Felix

Am Do., 18. Apr. 2019 um 00:00 Uhr schrieb Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>:

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On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 05:57 PM, Isaac wrote:

Well, my question was related to nvda, if the new windows works with the current nvda or will there need to be an update to nvda first?

No, Issac, the entirety of your previous post is:  "Hi, is it true that a new windows 10 is coming, and what will it be called and when is the release."  There is nothing, nothing whatsoever, related to NVDA in it.  Hence the reason for my prior message.

I have yet to see any recent version of NVDA break secondary to a Windows 10 feature update.  I guess it could happen, but it's sure not likely.

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In-Process for 18th April is out

Quentin Christensen

#60721

Hi everyone,

Our In-Process blog has a new entry, just in time for Easter!

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-18th-april/

This post covers NVDA 2019.1.1, as well as information on the NVDA log, and why we don't have a Mac (or Android) version.

Have a wonderful Easter!

Quentin.

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