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Re: Poll: I think ducking should go; and other NVDA features proposal and wider discussion
The only thing I agree with you on is the second bit of your message. Otherwise, you're wrong about the notion that people don't use ducking. I don't have the patience to explain to you why you are wrong, but you are wrong. As for your other points, some of those are valid. But how about you make an actual poll or survey rather than pretending like you know what we want.
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Announcement of “Filed” Status
Ed Marquette
When one reads through the list of email messages in Microsoft Outlook (2013), a number of attributes (probably the correct term is “header fields”) are announced, e.g., “From,” “Received Date,” “Attachment Presence,” and “Size.”
On our firm’s system, we also have a “Filed Status” indication that either reads “Yes” or “No.” If I manually read the cells, Outlook messages are presented in table format), I find that this status indication is presented in what NVDA calls column 6. This “Filed” status indication is the second most important feature, for my purposes. I have moved it up in Outlook, and JAWS reads it fine. I cannot, however, get NVDA to read it automatically as I arrow up and down through the inbox. I think I am missing something. Any assistance would be appreciated.
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Re: Poll: I think ducking should go; and other NVDA features proposal and wider discussion
Vlad Dragomir
Hello,
Interesting topic! Personally I only agree with half of it. It would be indeed great if at least some add-ons became part of NVDA, and I would include Screen Curtain among those.
On the other hand, I totally oppose the exclusion of the ducking function. It’s extremely useful, especially with services like Youtube or Google Play Music. Often it’s the only way to hear the screen reader without having to close everything else.
Let’s see what other opinions come up!
Cheers,
Vlad.
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Poll: I think ducking should go; and other NVDA features proposal and wider discussion
Hi.
Since the list is a bit quiet, and such, I propose the next discussion should be on nvda's features, and why we put them there especially the older ones. I'd like to talk about intergration of addons and features that have been round for ages. 1 ducking. Can someone remind me why we had it in the first place. I've always been apposed to it, mainly because of the fact no one really uses it, at least I cann't see any reason a normal user like myself either on office or a gamer like me would need it in general. I could see it when ducking some sounds, maybe or just turning down volumes. I just answered a message with it in, but I have never cared for it. I think this feature should go unless its used. I also think stable addons that have been stable for 1 year or so maybe 6 months to 1 year should be reviewed for nvda core, and if not within a 2 year period if not further developed. The following should be conciddered. 1. if interpritors by nick stocton. Unless this addon has any new version changes then I have used it with frotz and winglulx, tads, and its stable enough to put it in or at least native support of it. 1. the image describer while new shows promise though having that could be an eventual support down the road. Not sure about all the text and brousernav addons. But all the program support addons, eg winamp, dropbox, outlook, teamtalk, etc should eventually go into nvda, as well as goldwave. Calibre and toolbars explorer maybe and easy table nav. THe math support, the updater eventually, the mozilla addon, and a few things like that. This should extend to any addons that are used which havn't been updated for ages but look good, app support, and a few features. I also think that sound scheme support for alternit sounds and theme support maybe similar to windows sound schemes should be part of nvda. I also don't mind paying for professional theme packs for nvda. This is not just the addons on the site excluding alegal addons and stuff used for one thing only, but especially with the nvda python3 project, eventually well next build we will start loosing addons that are not compatible. And a few addons havn't had updates for whatever reason, maybe some of these are stable enough and don't need any.
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 19.05 is on its way
#addonrelease
abdul muhamin
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From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 5:24 AM To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 19.05 is on its way #AddonRelease
Hi all,
In the next few hours Windows 10 App Essentials 19.05 will hit the air. This version includes localization updates, Calculator enhancements, and makes the add-on more compatible with Windows 10 Version 1903 (May 2019 Update).
Additional note: after installing version 19.05, last tested version will be displayed as “2019.2”. I’ll talk more about this change in due time.
Cheers, Joseph
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Re: saving a list of headings
Gene
Look in document formatting. I believe what
you will see will be self-explanatory. But what is the advantage in using
the headings list? You can just start at the top of the document and type
h to move by heading. Once on the heading, copy it to the clipboard, move
somewhere such as Notepad or to a Word processor window, paste it In, press
enter to be on a blank line, then move back to the document and repeat the
procedure until you have copied the headings to wherever you want
them.
Gene
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From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] saving a list of headings Thanks for your very helpful notes, Rick,
I did not realise that so many categories were available to be listed under NVDA + F7 nor that I could select the different categories. I could not find any advice on this feature in the NVDA user manual. If I have missed it, could you point me to the entry in the manual for future reference?
To answer your question, I need to collect all the headings in a document that I need to re-organise. The paragraph contents under the headings are perfect but the way the document is structured badly needs reworking. In my setup NVDA does not say anything about levels such as you describe. I simply get the text of the headings but no idea what level they are at. Since you do get these levels, I suppose there must be some control that I have turned off somewhere that enables the levels to be spoken. Can you clarify that for me?
I should mention that I am using NVDA2019.1.1 runnign in Windows 10. I use Office 2016 for spread sheets, documents and mail and Firfox for internet access.
All the best,
Cearbhall
m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Rick
Hello Cearbhall:
Did you mean NVDA+F7 to open the elements dialog?
This brings up a list of elements which are grouped in categories. For example, when browsing the web, the categories are:
In the headings group, NVDA announces levels instead of heading numbers. Level 0 corresponds to Heading1, Level 1 corresponds to Heading2, etc. When using the up and down arrow keys to navigate the list of headings, NVDA announces the level at the end, except when the level changes. Then it is announced at the beginning. For properly nested headings, you can collapse and expand the list using left and right arrow keys. NVDA announces if the level is collapsed or expanded.
I am not sure why you need the extra verbosity for links, since when viewing links in that category, only links are present. NVDA even announces if a link has been visited. Same for buttons and landmarks.
Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Hi,
I can see that NVDA + F6 lists elements including headings, links and so on. However, the list does not identify what each element is as I scroll down through the elements. I would like to hear NVDA say “heading 1”, Heading 2”, or even “link” when each element is highlighted in the list.
Is there a setting somewhere that allows me to turn on this verbosity? If so, I cannot find it but I would welcome your advice.
Is it possible to save the elements list as a text file that I can use for other editing purposes?
All the best,
Cearbhall
m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
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Re: saving a list of headings
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Thanks for your very helpful notes, Rick,
I did not realise that so many categories were available to be listed under NVDA + F7 nor that I could select the different categories. I could not find any advice on this feature in the NVDA user manual. If I have missed it, could you point me to the entry in the manual for future reference?
To answer your question, I need to collect all the headings in a document that I need to re-organise. The paragraph contents under the headings are perfect but the way the document is structured badly needs reworking. In my setup NVDA does not say anything about levels such as you describe. I simply get the text of the headings but no idea what level they are at. Since you do get these levels, I suppose there must be some control that I have turned off somewhere that enables the levels to be spoken. Can you clarify that for me?
I should mention that I am using NVDA2019.1.1 runnign in Windows 10. I use Office 2016 for spread sheets, documents and mail and Firfox for internet access.
All the best,
Cearbhall
m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 9:45 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] saving a list of headings
Hello Cearbhall:
Did you mean NVDA+F7 to open the elements dialog?
This brings up a list of elements which are grouped in categories. For example, when browsing the web, the categories are:
In the headings group, NVDA announces levels instead of heading numbers. Level 0 corresponds to Heading1, Level 1 corresponds to Heading2, etc. When using the up and down arrow keys to navigate the list of headings, NVDA announces the level at the end, except when the level changes. Then it is announced at the beginning. For properly nested headings, you can collapse and expand the list using left and right arrow keys. NVDA announces if the level is collapsed or expanded.
I am not sure why you need the extra verbosity for links, since when viewing links in that category, only links are present. NVDA even announces if a link has been visited. Same for buttons and landmarks.
Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Hi,
I can see that NVDA + F6 lists elements including headings, links and so on. However, the list does not identify what each element is as I scroll down through the elements. I would like to hear NVDA say “heading 1”, Heading 2”, or even “link” when each element is highlighted in the list.
Is there a setting somewhere that allows me to turn on this verbosity? If so, I cannot find it but I would welcome your advice.
Is it possible to save the elements list as a text file that I can use for other editing purposes?
All the best,
Cearbhall
m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
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Re: saving a list of headings
Rick
Hello Cearbhall:
Did you mean NVDA+F7 to open the elements dialog?
This brings up a list of elements which are grouped in categories. For example, when browsing the web, the categories are:
In the headings group, NVDA announces levels instead of heading numbers. Level 0 corresponds to Heading1, Level 1 corresponds to Heading2, etc. When using the up and down arrow keys to navigate the list of headings, NVDA announces the level at the end, except when the level changes. Then it is announced at the beginning. For properly nested headings, you can collapse and expand the list using left and right arrow keys. NVDA announces if the level is collapsed or expanded.
I am not sure why you need the extra verbosity for links, since when viewing links in that category, only links are present. NVDA even announces if a link has been visited. Same for buttons and landmarks.
Rick
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 3:49 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] saving a list of headings
Hi,
I can see that NVDA + F6 lists elements including headings, links and so on. However, the list does not identify what each element is as I scroll down through the elements. I would like to hear NVDA say “heading 1”, Heading 2”, or even “link” when each element is highlighted in the list.
Is there a setting somewhere that allows me to turn on this verbosity? If so, I cannot find it but I would welcome your advice.
Is it possible to save the elements list as a text file that I can use for other editing purposes?
All the best,
Cearbhall
m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
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Re: i really need some help with sound
Curtis Delzer
there is a little utility which will keep your speakers working
though you don't hear the action called silenzio. Just install it and it will keep your speakers happy though you don't hear what it is doing. Here is a link to it. https://od.lk/d/NjRfMTEwOTM5Mjhf/Silenzio.exe Curtis Delzer HS W B 6 H E F Rialto, CA On 4/25/2019 11:37 PM, Darren Harris
via Groups.Io wrote:
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Add-on Updater 19.05, other add-on releases on their way
#addonrelease
Hi all,
In a few hours Add-on Updater 19.05 will hit the air (released). This is a mandatory update that updates NVDA compatibility range.
Speaking of add-on updates, expect updates for the following add-ons in the next few days:
Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Has anyone used NVDA with WordPress?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
If its web based then a browser might be the culprit.
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If it did work and you now say it won't raise an issue on the nvda issue tracker, its the only way it will be looked into. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Has anyone used NVDA with WordPress? I have had a problem moderating comments since October with all the changes in NVDA and Wordpress. I'm pretty sure it's
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Re: In-Process for 18th April is out
Thanks for the answer, Quentin!
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Have a great weekend as well ???? Em 26/04/2019 09:05, Quentin
Christensen disse:
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Re: i really need some help with sound
Not really.
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This is the file for installing the program, so it only needs to be installed once :) Now, he can very well starts the program separately from Windows, which means that he'll have to run it each time Windows starts, or he can just do what I do and check the option for this program to start along with the Windows itself. The latter really makes life easier and doesn't slow down the computer in any way that I could notice, so that's what I recommend doing :) Em 26/04/2019 18:51, Kevin Cussick via
Groups.Io disse:
I am correct in thinking if this works for him he will have to run the little exe file each time he restarts the computer?
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Windows 10 App Essentials 19.05 is on its way
#addonrelease
Hi all,
In the next few hours Windows 10 App Essentials 19.05 will hit the air. This version includes localization updates, Calculator enhancements, and makes the add-on more compatible with Windows 10 Version 1903 (May 2019 Update).
Additional note: after installing version 19.05, last tested version will be displayed as “2019.2”. I’ll talk more about this change in due time.
Cheers, Joseph
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Re: i really need some help with sound
Kevin Cussick
I am correct in thinking if this works for him he will have to run the little exe file each time he restarts the computer?
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On 26/04/2019 08:51, marcio via Groups.I wrote:
Oh, I forgot to mention:
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Re: Has anyone used NVDA with WordPress?
Jackie
I disagree, respectfully. At least it's not NVDA as a whole. I use
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NVDA, I looked on your site using it, in fact, because you gave me a login, (just for clarification to the rest of the list that I didn't hack into your site :)), & everything was visible that I said in my post to you via my WordPress4newbs list. I'm not saying your installation of NVDA on your machine isn't broken. I think it is, actually. But it's not the norm for NVDA.
On 4/26/19, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
I have had a problem moderating comments since October with all the changes --
Subscribe to a WordPress for Newbies Mailing List by sending a message to: wp4newbs-request@freelists.org with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/wp4newbs & check out my sites at www.brighter-vision.com & www.mysitesbeenhacked.com
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Re: Has anyone used NVDA with WordPress?
John J. Boyer
I have had a problem moderating comments since October with all the changes in NVDA and Wordpress. I'm pretty sure it's
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a NVDA problem. Maybe an add-on would fix it. John
On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 05:02:57PM +0100, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
That sounds then, like they have broken the system again. --
John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
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Re: Has anyone used NVDA with WordPress?
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
That sounds then, like they have broken the system again.
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It may be that Jaws has a script they are using to get around the issue. I don't use it myself so cannot comment further, but it would not be the first time some brand new version of a web site or program has been broken by the people who write it. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Has anyone used NVDA with WordPress? I have NVDA 2019.1.1 On a different machine and I have tried it there with sighted help. The guy couldn''t walk me
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Re: Windows 10 mail
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
I would also say that often merely trying again straight away fixes it. I notice it for example on pages containing adverts where the google server is not fast enough in responding resulting in a page of some data but with bits of it reporting server not found or 404 error in the middle of the text. Its not browser specific, so I imagine its latency when the net is busy.
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As you say without the link we are , um blind! Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Sarah k Alawami" <marrie12@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 mail On 26 Apr 2019, at 1:29, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:I found a link on Google for using windows 10 mail with NVDA.And yu did not give the link so none of us can test it. Also what
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Re: i really need some help with sound
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Do let us know if this stops the sleep issue. I have some friends with this problem, and I was chatting to somebody about an I phone with a similar problem on blue tooth and apparently they have a similar utility to stop that cutting off the start as well. maybe its endemic in some hardware.
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As for the crackling well, normally I only see that if the machine is struggling ie using virtual memory on a physical hard drive. This tends to mean either the processor ram or the ram or even the clocking speed is not fast enough to keep up. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal E-mail to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Darren Harris via Groups.Io" <darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Friday, April 26, 2019 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] i really need some help with sound I’ll have to stop using it for a while and see. I’ll give about 10 15 minutes then I’ll let you know and write back. From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io Sent: 26 April 2019 10:20 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] i really need some help with sound Not at all. Are you still experiencing the situation described on your first message after installing it? Cheers, Marcio AKA Starboy Sent from a galaxy far, far away. Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/coolbutpsycho> Em 26/04/2019 03:59, Darren Harris via Groups.Io disse: Ok so I???ve installed it and ran it. So do I need to do anything else to it? ?? From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io Sent: 26 April 2019 09:49 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Subject: Re: [nvda] i really need some help with sound ?? Em 26/04/2019 03:37, Darren Harris via Groups.Io disse: The second thing is that every so often and this is regular the soundcard will just switch off. I have my laptop plugged into a bos soundlink mini 2 and after a while unless there???s sound going through it the ??laptop sound seems to switch off which results in the speaker turning off. At first I thought it was NVDA being weird but it isn???t. Darren, Maybe this problem can be solved with a small application called Silenzio. It will play continually a WAV file, which will not let your soundcard sleep. Believe it made my life easier when I found out about this little friend. Here's the link if you want to try it out. Just install and run it and see the results! http://www.stefankiss.sk/programy/silenzio/Silenzio_1.0_setup.exe Cheers, Marcio AKA Starboy ?? Sent from a galaxy far, far away. Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/coolbutpsycho>
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