On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 05:21 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Some people don’t know how to do a proper search for something because
they haven’t been trained properly. I can understand doing a search for
something but if they can’t find the results for something, isn’t that
what a list is all about—helping each other?

Then, Rosemarie, they need to ask how to do so. I am not willing to
believe that people who are on mailing lists and have been for years have
never bothered to learn how to do a web search, and if they haven't, this is
putting them on notice that they need to, now.

Anyone who wants instruction on doing so will gladly be provided it by
myself or any number of others on the group.

I am unwilling to buy into the premise that I should assume that most people
who frequent here are completely incapable of basic internet skills. The
presumption should be that they are capable, and if they're not then they'll
ask for help. It is that simple.

As I said earlier, this isn't rocket science, and it's a skill that any user
of the internet, blind, sighted, or anything in between must have or be
willing to acquire. It very simply goes with the territory.

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~ Edward Abbey

Brian,

 

You forget that not everybody is on the same level as you when it comes to learning. Some people don’t know how to do a proper search for something because they haven’t been trained properly. I can understand doing a search for something but if they can’t find the results for something, isn’t that what a list is all about—helping each other? I won’t say anything more.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA add on's RSS feed.

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 03:21 PM, Kwork wrote:

And, with that bit of flaming from a member of the moderation team towards a user, I'm gone.

Belittling and discouraging should never be in fashion.

Truly, and entirely in public, "Oh, grow up!"

You also have no idea, none whatsoever, of the private correspondence I have had with this member, and that what you consider "belittling" is nothing more than ribbing in fun.

And, by the way, I do expect people to be doing web searches before imposing on the time of hundreds of people in asking questions that are answered by doing one then about 2 minutes to scan the top results.   There is a reason that the guideline about doing an archive search and/or web search was included:  too many people don't do 'em, and it's basic netiquette to do so before ever posting to a mailing list or forum.

I'm tired of people expecting apologies or hand-holding for basic internet skills when they are not new to the internet.  When they are, and indicate such, they'll get all the hand-holding and guidance they need, plus more.  Otherwise, do your due diligence first.
 
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Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 03:21 PM, Kwork wrote:

And, with that bit of flaming from a member of the moderation team towards a user, I'm gone.

Belittling and discouraging should never be in fashion.

Truly, and entirely in public, "Oh, grow up!"

You also have no idea, none whatsoever, of the private correspondence I have had with this member, and that what you consider "belittling" is nothing more than ribbing in fun.

And, by the way, I do expect people to be doing web searches before imposing on the time of hundreds of people in asking questions that are answered by doing one then about 2 minutes to scan the top results.   There is a reason that the guideline about doing an archive search and/or web search was included:  too many people don't do 'em, and it's basic netiquette to do so before ever posting to a mailing list or forum.

I'm tired of people expecting apologies or hand-holding for basic internet skills when they are not new to the internet.  When they are, and indicate such, they'll get all the hand-holding and guidance they need, plus more.  Otherwise, do your due diligence first.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 

Hi

I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for and play YouTube videos.  The link is:

 

http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/

 

After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box, then  hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode switching set in NVDA).  Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page.  Set this to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again.  You landin another combo box where you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use videos which is the default).  Tab again to the search button and press spacebar to run the search.

 

The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h key.  Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press tab to move focus to it and press enter.  A dialog box opens for the chosen video.  Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which include player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You can use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.

 

After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list dialog at the point where you left it.

 

Cheers

Chris  

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 April 2019 14:46
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

 

Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments' section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you, it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much time with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it a solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would very well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

AKA Starboy

 

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 03:21 PM, Kwork wrote:

And, with that bit of flaming from a member of the moderation team towards a user, I'm gone.

Belittling and discouraging should never be in fashion.

Truly, and entirely in public, "Oh, grow up!"

You also have no idea, none whatsoever, of the private correspondence I have had with this member, and that what you consider "belittling" is nothing more than ribbing in fun.

And, by the way, I do expect people to be doing web searches before imposing on the time of hundreds of people in asking questions that are answered by doing one then about 2 minutes to scan the top results.   There is a reason that the guideline about doing an archive search and/or web search was included:  too many people don't do 'em, and it's basic netiquette to do so before ever posting to a mailing list or forum.

I'm tired of people expecting apologies or hand-holding for basic internet skills when they are not new to the internet.  When they are, and indicate such, they'll get all the hand-holding and guidance they need, plus more.  Otherwise, do your due diligence first.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

If you don't have to use the object navigator for other things, you can have it not follow NVDA as it does what it does in applications and windows.  If the information is always in the same place, if you place it there, then read the current line where the navigator is, or the current word, whichever one provides the information most efficiently, you can read the information with one keystroke on every message you move to.  Instructions I can write won't completely match the new interface of NVDA, I use an older version.  But if you need them, I can give you an idea of how to do this.  If you think what I am describing will do what you want, others will probably send instructions.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Ed Marquette

Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 1:07 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcement of “Filed” Status

Brian:
Thank you for your response.
When NVDA reports email messages, it reports the display as if it were in a table; however, one does not need to use the table reading commands to arrow up and down through the list of email messages.
Nevertheless, if one does use the table reading commands, from left to right, NVDA announces the following:
Status (read/unread);
Unknown graphic header status;
Graphic, Row 6, column 2;
No Attachment, Column 3;
name of person who sent the message (Column 4);
Subject of the message;
Filing indicator yes/no (Column 6).
So, NVDA properly reports the “filed status” of the email message; it is just that I need to read over to the 6th column (but it takes more like 9 presses of the read cell to the right command.
JAWS reads this “filed status” automatically, right after the subject of the email message.
I am so glad you mentioned the screen scraping.  We are using an email management tool that attempts to predict the client and matter numbers where email messages are to be filed.  I’m sure this program, an Outlook add-in) is supplying this filed status indicator.
Anyway, one of several reasons why I’ve turned to NVDA is that JAWS is so painfully slow.  Having to wait 10 to 15 seconds between thea nnouncement of an email message’s subject is intolerable.
NVDA, by contrast is nearly instantaneous.
> On Apr 29, 2019, at 3:39 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure what you  mean by filed status though. I guess one annoying thing is that Jaws does a lot of things differently. It will no longer read the read status of emails yet it does read the filed status. I'm confused. These attributes in Microsoft software seem to have been a bugbear for many years changing a bit and throwing off routines put in to find them and read them.
> One has to remember here that Jaws is still installing a screenscraper driver whereas NVDA does not.
> Brian
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Marquette" <marquette.ed@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 1:58 PM
> Subject: [nvda] Announcement of “Filed” Status
>
>
> When one reads through the list of email messages in Microsoft Outlook (2013), a number of attributes (probably the correct term is “header fields”) are announced, e.g., “From,” “Received Date,” “Attachment Presence,” and “Size.”
> On our firm’s system, we also have a “Filed Status” indication that either reads “Yes” or “No.”
> If I manually read the cells, Outlook messages are presented in table format), I find that this status indication is presented in what NVDA calls column 6.
> This “Filed” status indication is the second most important feature, for my purposes.
> I have moved it up in Outlook, and JAWS reads it fine.  I cannot, however, get NVDA to read it automatically as I arrow up and down through the inbox. I think I am missing something.
> Any assistance would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi

I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for and play YouTube videos.  The link is:

 

http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/

 

After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box, then  hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode switching set in NVDA).  Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page.  Set this to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again.  You landin another combo box where you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use videos which is the default).  Tab again to the search button and press spacebar to run the search.

 

The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h key.  Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press tab to move focus to it and press enter.  A dialog box opens for the chosen video.  Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which include player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You can use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.

 

After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list dialog at the point where you left it.

 

Cheers

Chris  

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 April 2019 14:46
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

 

Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments' section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you, it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much time with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it a solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would very well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

AKA Starboy

 

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 10:42 AM, marcio wrote:

But then, as I said, it's just that I'm not smart enough. :)

Sorry, buster, but that one won't fly!
 
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Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 

Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments' section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you, it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much time with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it a solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would very well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

Felix,
Do you have any impact in Outlook when starting up?
I'm wondering if this is not only the normal behavior when NVDA is dealing with the Outlook splash screen during startup...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Dienstag, 30. April 2019 10:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Suspicious log when starting Outlook

---------- Forwarded message ---------
Von: Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
Date: Fr., 26. Apr. 2019 um 13:56 Uhr
Subject: Suspicious log when starting Outlook
To: NVDA screen reader development <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>


Hi,
this is on Win 7 64 bit, NVDA 2019.1.1, when launching Outlook 2007 (yes, I know, this is old).
CPU is quadcore 3,10 GHz, no rocket by today's standards but also no snail.
Could anyone please suggest what this log excerpt indicates? Seems there's a lot of freezing/unfreezing.
The log starts with me pressing enter to launch Outlook from the taskbar.
Best,
Felix

IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (13:45:06.487):
Input: kb(desktop):enter
DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (13:45:09.467):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 233, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 897, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 620, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 532, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 411, in findOverlayClasses
File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 807, in _get_IAccessibleRole
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 857, in __call__

DEBUGWARNING - core.CorePump.run (13:45:09.467):
errors in this core pump cycle
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "core.pyo", line 489, in run
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 897, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 620, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 532, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 46, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 85, in __call__
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 411, in findOverlayClasses
File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "watchdog.pyo", line 202, in _COMError_init CallCancelled DEBUGWARNING - watchdog._watcher (13:45:10.809):
Trying to recover from freeze, core stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 233, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 519, in main
File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 1003, in Notify
File "core.pyo", line 490, in run
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 86, in pumpAll
File "queueHandler.pyo", line 53, in flushQueue
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 62, in _queueEventCallback
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 155, in executeEvent
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 92, in __init__
File "eventHandler.pyo", line 100, in next
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 966, in event_gainFocus
File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyo", line 854, in reportFocus
File "speech.pyo", line 403, in speakObject
File "speech.pyo", line 277, in speakObjectProperties
File "baseObject.pyo", line 47, in __get__
File "baseObject.pyo", line 147, in _getPropertyViaCache
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 912, in _get_keyboardShortcut
File "comtypes\__init__.pyo", line 857, in __call__

Good morning list; hate to ask here, but have looked all over and
cannot find an iPhone list for the visually impaired anywhere. If
anyone knows of one, you can write me off list regarding it.
Marv

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Good morning list; hate to ask here, but have looked all over and cannot
find an iPhone list for the visually impaired anywhere. If anyone knows of
one, you can write me off list regarding it.
Marv

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

You can use the portable version of Firefox whatever ESR version supports this functionality for that specific purpose.?? You can use whatever version you use aside from that for general browsing.

??

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: marcio via Groups.Io

Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 9:39 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA add on's RSS feed.

Brian,
Thanks for the answer!
Again, too bad that I'm not smart enough to do everything you do :)
Now, be sure that I haven't posted it here without making any heffort to find RSS addresses. And well, I found some of them, but it's not always that a website show this option.
But then, as I said, it's just that I'm not smart enough. :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 30/04/2019 11:31, Brian Vogel disse:

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 09:56 AM, marcio wrote:

And I do use Thunderbird as my RSS reader, but ya know, whitout feed addresses it won't do any good.

Marcio,

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??You absolutely deserve this snarky response:?? "Google is your friend."

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??I have used several search engines and searching on the entity name and RSS has either gotten me the RSS link or taken me to the organizations page under which the RSS link can be obtained (which seems to be Podcasts on a number of them).

?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??This is not rocket science, and it's exactly what web search engines were created for and do best.
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???????????????????? ~ Edward Abbey

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 09:56 AM, marcio wrote:

And I do use Thunderbird as my RSS reader, but ya know, whitout feed addresses it won't do any good.

Marcio,

           You absolutely deserve this snarky response:  "Google is your friend."

           I have used several search engines and searching on the entity name and RSS has either gotten me the RSS link or taken me to the organizations page under which the RSS link can be obtained (which seems to be Podcasts on a number of them).

           This is not rocket science, and it's exactly what web search engines were created for and do best.
 
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Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey