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Re: Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 30 Apr 2019, Nimer Jaber wrote:

Other than a reference to the add-ons list, I saw no reference to NVDA in this thread. This seems like an issue of navigating a particular website, and not
an issue with NVDA, or learning to accomplish a task with NVDA that NVDA isn't working with or something.
I personally understood it as a "how to use NVDA with the youtube website" question, otherwise the nvda-addons mention wouldn't have made sense. But my subjective opinion is irrelevant since I didn't start the thread.

If i want to jump to a comment field, I might press h to get to the comments heading, and then tab twice to get to the appropriate edit box. There seems to
You might, but at least if you are using NVDA, with Firefox, on youtube.com, there is perhaps an 80% chance that you will never reach comments that way.

Comments on youtube.com, seem to start with a heading level 2, which specifies the number of comments. But, whether the H key will actually jump you to that heading, seems to depend on where you are on the page when you start trying to look for it.

If you are, for example, in the related videos section, you can press H all you like, and will probably never get to comments. If you press 2, you will likely be told that there are no more headings at level 2, even though we know, that somewhere after those related videos, is a heading level 2 dealing with comments.

The most reliable way I have found to get to youtube comments, is to press, from whereever I happen to be on the page, control-end, to jump to the end of the page. Then shift-2, which should, most times that I know of, get you to the top of the comments section. You may then press e to go to the edit field where you can type a comment, or use the down arrow or other navigation, to reach other people's comments.

Luke


Re: Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

 

Chris,
I had forgotten about this alternative. So that it doesn't happen again, I'm going to create a shortcut for this website right now :)
Thanks for this one. Again...

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Em 30/04/2019 15:21, Chris Mullins disse:

Hi

I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for and play YouTube videos.?? The link is:

??

http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/

??

After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box, then ??hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode switching set in NVDA).?? Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page.?? Set this to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again.?? You landin another combo box where you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use videos which is the default).?? Tab again to the search button and press spacebar to run the search.

??

The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h key.?? Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press tab to move focus to it and press enter.?? A dialog box opens for the chosen video.?? Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which include player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You can use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.

??

After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list dialog at the point where you left it.

??

Cheers

Chris ??

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
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Subject: [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

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Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments' section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you, it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much time with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it a solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would very well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

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Re: Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

 

Gene NZ,
Using browse mode, pressing F/shift+F (or E/shift+E), all I can get is the search field for searching a video.
No comments section at all.

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Em 30/04/2019 16:56, hurrikennyandopo ... disse:

Hi


Does the E key or F key not get you to that area. I tried it with the browse mode keys and it took me there.


I am wondering when you do get to that field and it says public comment or what ever it said are you changing into focus mode just in case it is not going into the mode correctly. I guess also it depends how you have it set as well.


Gene nz


On 1/05/2019 6:21 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for and play YouTube videos.?? The link is:

??

http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/

??

After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box, then ??hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode switching set in NVDA).?? Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page.?? Set this to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again.?? You landin another combo box where you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use videos which is the default).?? Tab again to the search button and press spacebar to run the search.

??

The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h key.?? Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press tab to move focus to it and press enter.?? A dialog box opens for the chosen video.?? Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which include player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You can use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.

??

After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list dialog at the point where you left it.

??

Cheers

Chris ??

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 April 2019 14:46
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

??

Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments' section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you, it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much time with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it a solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would very well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

AKA Starboy

??

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Re: Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

 

Here it doesn't happen at all. At best, I can reach the comments using the "jump by heading" command.
Using Firefox, so I think it should work the same way as Waterfox. Go figure!

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Em 30/04/2019 19:40, Hareth disse:

I just used NVDA with the "e" command on some live TV you tube channel
with Waterfox browser,
It jumped to the comment  editable  section as it should be.


On 4/30/19, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
hello,

Other than a reference to the add-ons list, I saw no reference to NVDA in
this thread. This seems like an issue of navigating a particular website,
and not an issue with NVDA, or learning to accomplish a task with NVDA that
NVDA isn't working with or something.

If i want to jump to a comment field, I might press h to get to the
comments heading, and then tab twice to get to the appropriate edit box.
There seems to be an issue where the edit box is not recognized as such by
NVDA, so pressing e won't jump there. had the question been referencing the
edit box not being recognized by NVDA, or had the message referenced NVDA
in pretty much any way, it would have been on topic.

thanks.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:37 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Will we be able to transfer those videos into youtube links though? I
often download for off line listening so I don't think this site will
work
well.

Take care

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On 30 Apr 2019, at 11:21, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site
designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for
and
play YouTube videos.  The link is:



http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/ <http://www.povidi.com/yourtube/>



After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box,
then
 hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode
switching set in NVDA).  Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to
move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page.  Set
this
to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again.  You landin another combo box
where
you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use
videos which is the default).  Tab again to the search button and press
spacebar to run the search.



The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h
key.  Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press
tab to move focus to it and press enter.  A dialog box opens for the
chosen
video.  Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which
include
player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You
can
use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.



After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list
dialog at the point where you left it.



Cheers

Chris

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*Subject:* [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video



Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that
time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments'
section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you,
it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much
time
with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone
thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it
a
solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would
very
well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

AKA *Starboy*



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Re: Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

 

Actually this is marked by a heading, the problem is that you never know when said heading will show up.
One can keep going back and forth even for some minutes and sometimes it's not there at all.

@Nimer, sorry for not referencing NVDA on this topic. My bad, it won't happen again.
Just for clarification, I'm using NVDA when trying to reach this section and well, the other things I've already said. It's absolutely a "hit and miss".

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Em 30/04/2019 20:12, Sarah k Alawami disse:

Actualy that's the thing. At least for me the comments section is not marked by a heading on youtube.com and sometimes nvda's find dialgoue does not find the commante section so I just don't bother. I'm usign firefox by the way on windows.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
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Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 30 Apr 2019, at 14:55, Nimer Jaber wrote:

hello,

Other than a reference to the add-ons list, I saw no reference to NVDA in this thread. This seems like an issue of navigating a particular website, and not an issue with NVDA, or learning to accomplish a task with NVDA that NVDA isn't working with or something.

If i want to jump to a comment field, I might press h to get to the comments heading, and then tab twice to get to the appropriate edit box. There seems to be an issue where the edit box is not recognized as such by NVDA, so pressing e won't jump there. had the question been referencing the edit box not being recognized by NVDA, or had the message referenced NVDA in pretty much any way, it would have been on topic.

thanks.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:37 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Will we be able to transfer those videos into youtube links though? I often download for off line listening so I don't think this site will work well.

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and ??tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 30 Apr 2019, at 11:21, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for and play YouTube videos.?? The link is:

??

http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/

??

After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box, then ??hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode switching set in NVDA).?? Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page.?? Set this to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again.?? You landin another combo box where you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use videos which is the default).?? Tab again to the search button and press spacebar to run the search.

??

The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h key.?? Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press tab to move focus to it and press enter.?? A dialog box opens for the chosen video.?? Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which include player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You can use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.

??

After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list dialog at the point where you left it.

??

Cheers

Chris ??

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 April 2019 14:46
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

??

Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments' section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you, it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much time with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it a solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would very well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

AKA Starboy

??

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

Follow or add me on Facebook



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Re: not able to start NVDA using shortcut Ctrl + alt + space

Arlene
 

Hi, I’ve seen this happen to me on this new windows ten computer.  NVDA’hotkey disappeared when I took its update.  I had to manually recreat the hot key.  I don’t know why that happens.  I never seen this on my older computer. Just with this one. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: April 30, 2019 12:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] not able to start NVDA using shortcut Ctrl + alt + space

 

I don't know if you sorted it out as I haven't seen any answer from you regarding what others have said.
So here I go with my suggestion.
Even if it has been deleted, shortcut changed or whatever, it's easy peasy to go there on the shortcut properties (assuming it is still there) and set it up again, manually of course.
In case the shortcut itself have desappeared, go to the NVDA's  folder, usually \Program Files (X86)\NVDA and then recreate the shortcut from there.
This is assuming you have NVDA installed, not portable. Otherwise I don't think you'd be using this shortcut thing anyway.

Hth


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Em 29/04/2019 07:22, Mohd. Ahtesham Shaikh disse:

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: wrong subject: It should be ctrl + alt +N and not (space)]

Hi all,
As the subject suggests, I am unable to start or restart NVDA using the shortcut key combinations.
Ctrl+ alt + N
Any particular reason you guys think is preventing me from doing so?

Please respond.
This is on my office computer.

Regards,


Mohd. Ahtesham
From India
Using Windows 8.1 at home and windows 10 pro in office

 

 


Re: Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actualy that's the thing. At least for me the comments section is not marked by a heading on youtube.com and sometimes nvda's find dialgoue does not find the commante section so I just don't bother. I'm usign firefox by the way on windows.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 30 Apr 2019, at 14:55, Nimer Jaber wrote:

hello,

Other than a reference to the add-ons list, I saw no reference to NVDA in this thread. This seems like an issue of navigating a particular website, and not an issue with NVDA, or learning to accomplish a task with NVDA that NVDA isn't working with or something.

If i want to jump to a comment field, I might press h to get to the comments heading, and then tab twice to get to the appropriate edit box. There seems to be an issue where the edit box is not recognized as such by NVDA, so pressing e won't jump there. had the question been referencing the edit box not being recognized by NVDA, or had the message referenced NVDA in pretty much any way, it would have been on topic.

thanks.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:37 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Will we be able to transfer those videos into youtube links though? I often download for off line listening so I don't think this site will work well.

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 30 Apr 2019, at 11:21, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for and play YouTube videos.  The link is:

 

http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/

 

After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box, then  hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode switching set in NVDA).  Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page.  Set this to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again.  You landin another combo box where you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use videos which is the default).  Tab again to the search button and press spacebar to run the search.

 

The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h key.  Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press tab to move focus to it and press enter.  A dialog box opens for the chosen video.  Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which include player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You can use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.

 

After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list dialog at the point where you left it.

 

Cheers

Chris  

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 April 2019 14:46
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

 

Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments' section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you, it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much time with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it a solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would very well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

AKA Starboy

 

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

Follow or add me on Facebook



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Re: How to log out of facebook with nvda?

Sam Bushman
 

This is great, Thank you,

Sam

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 4:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to log out of facebook with nvda?

 

Hi

 

I copied this off my tutorial for logging out of face book this was the main website and i think is similar to the mobile version as well which is more like a web page.

 

Signing out of Facebook
After you have caught up with what is happening in your friends / family's worlds the final thing you will want to do is sign out of Facebook.
You will need to go to the top of the Facebook page with the Ctrl key + the Home key. You can either use the letter B for buttons in browse mode to jump down by buttons to the account settings button. You will need to push the space bar on the accounts button so NVDA can see the extra options to log out of Facebook.
There will be 9 options and the last one will be the logout menu. Arrow to the logout menu, then press the Enter key on it and you will be logged out of Facebook.

 

The tutorial for face book which i wrote can be found at http://accessibilitycentral.net/how%20to%20navigate%20Facebook%20with%20NVDA.html

It is off the nvda tutorials for other programs page.

 

I can not remember if there is a written one for mobile face book but maybe a audio one which also shows logging out.

 

Gene nz

 

On 1/05/2019 9:45 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:

Hi All,

Can someone please provide info on how to log out of facebook with NVDA and Chrome?

Thanks so much in advance.

Sam

 

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Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Re: Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

Hareth <hareth4m@...>
 

I just used NVDA with the "e" command on some live TV you tube channel
with Waterfox browser,
It jumped to the comment editable section as it should be.

On 4/30/19, Nimer Jaber <nimerjaber1@...> wrote:
hello,

Other than a reference to the add-ons list, I saw no reference to NVDA in
this thread. This seems like an issue of navigating a particular website,
and not an issue with NVDA, or learning to accomplish a task with NVDA that
NVDA isn't working with or something.

If i want to jump to a comment field, I might press h to get to the
comments heading, and then tab twice to get to the appropriate edit box.
There seems to be an issue where the edit box is not recognized as such by
NVDA, so pressing e won't jump there. had the question been referencing the
edit box not being recognized by NVDA, or had the message referenced NVDA
in pretty much any way, it would have been on topic.

thanks.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:37 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Will we be able to transfer those videos into youtube links though? I
often download for off line listening so I don't think this site will
work
well.

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.
<http://www.tffppodcast.com> This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and tutorials go here.
<http://www.tffppodcast.com/premium>
and for hosting options go here <http://www.tffppodcast.com/hosting>
to subscribe to the feed click here <http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp>

Our telegram <https://t.me/tffppodcast> channel is also a good place for
an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here
<Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast>

On 30 Apr 2019, at 11:21, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site
designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for
and
play YouTube videos. The link is:



http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/ <http://www.povidi.com/yourtube/>



After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box,
then
hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode
switching set in NVDA). Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to
move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page. Set
this
to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again. You landin another combo box
where
you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use
videos which is the default). Tab again to the search button and press
spacebar to run the search.



The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h
key. Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press
tab to move focus to it and press enter. A dialog box opens for the
chosen
video. Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which
include
player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You
can
use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.



After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list
dialog at the point where you left it.



Cheers

Chris

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*marcio
via Groups.Io
*Sent:* 30 April 2019 14:46
*To:* NVDA List
*Subject:* [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video



Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that
time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments'
section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you,
it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much
time
with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone
thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it
a
solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would
very
well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

AKA *Starboy*



Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

Follow or add me on Facebook <https://facebook.com/coolbutpsycho>



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Re: How to log out of facebook with nvda?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


I copied this off my tutorial for logging out of face book this was the main website and i think is similar to the mobile version as well which is more like a web page.


Signing out of Facebook
After you have caught up with what is happening in your friends / family's worlds the final thing you will want to do is sign out of Facebook.
You will need to go to the top of the Facebook page with the Ctrl key + the Home key. You can either use the letter B for buttons in browse mode to jump down by buttons to the account settings button. You will need to push the space bar on the accounts button so NVDA can see the extra options to log out of Facebook.
There will be 9 options and the last one will be the logout menu. Arrow to the logout menu, then press the Enter key on it and you will be logged out of Facebook.


The tutorial for face book which i wrote can be found at http://accessibilitycentral.net/how%20to%20navigate%20Facebook%20with%20NVDA.html

It is off the nvda tutorials for other programs page.


I can not remember if there is a written one for mobile face book but maybe a audio one which also shows logging out.


Gene nz


On 1/05/2019 9:45 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:

Hi All,

Can someone please provide info on how to log out of facebook with NVDA and Chrome?

Thanks so much in advance.

Sam

 

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa).
To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

Nimer Jaber
 

hello,

Other than a reference to the add-ons list, I saw no reference to NVDA in this thread. This seems like an issue of navigating a particular website, and not an issue with NVDA, or learning to accomplish a task with NVDA that NVDA isn't working with or something.

If i want to jump to a comment field, I might press h to get to the comments heading, and then tab twice to get to the appropriate edit box. There seems to be an issue where the edit box is not recognized as such by NVDA, so pressing e won't jump there. had the question been referencing the edit box not being recognized by NVDA, or had the message referenced NVDA in pretty much any way, it would have been on topic.

thanks.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 2:37 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

Will we be able to transfer those videos into youtube links though? I often download for off line listening so I don't think this site will work well.

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 30 Apr 2019, at 11:21, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for and play YouTube videos.  The link is:

 

http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/

 

After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box, then  hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode switching set in NVDA).  Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page.  Set this to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again.  You landin another combo box where you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use videos which is the default).  Tab again to the search button and press spacebar to run the search.

 

The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h key.  Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press tab to move focus to it and press enter.  A dialog box opens for the chosen video.  Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which include player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You can use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.

 

After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list dialog at the point where you left it.

 

Cheers

Chris  

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 April 2019 14:46
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

 

Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments' section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you, it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much time with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it a solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would very well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

AKA Starboy

 

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

Follow or add me on Facebook



--
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Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

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and above, please click here:
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You can follow @nimerjaber on Twitter for the latest technology news.

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you, and have a great day!


How to log out of facebook with nvda?

Sam Bushman
 

Hi All,

Can someone please provide info on how to log out of facebook with NVDA and Chrome?

Thanks so much in advance.

Sam

 


locked Re: NVDA add on's RSS feed.

 

This topic has begun to stray very, very far away from the core purpose of this group.   It is now locked.

Should anyone wish to extend it, please do so on the chat subgroup:
If there are ever any serious concerns about moderation those should be taken up via the conventional avenue:  mailing the owner on nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io.
My style of being blunt when bluntness is called for is not going to change, nor is my style of being patient and gentle when that's called for.   Neither is appropriate all the time.
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locked Re: NVDA add on's RSS feed.

Laz
 

I think if you look you'll actually see that whether sighted or blind
a lot of people do not have very good searching/browsing skills and
prefer to just send an email message to a list where they believed
they would receive help. And as long as it's on topic for this list
why give them a harder time about it? Just provide the necessary help
to move them along at their pace closer to optimum skill level. It
doesn't hurt to show some empathy towards the blind who do have it a
bit harder than the sighted.

Laz

On 4/30/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 05:21 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:


Some people don’t know how to do a proper search for something because
they haven’t been trained properly. I can understand doing a search for
something but if they can’t find the results for something, isn’t that
what a list is all about—helping each other?
Then, Rosemarie, they need to ask how to do so. I am not willing to
believe that people who are on mailing lists and have been for years have
never bothered to learn how to do a web search, and if they haven't, this is
putting them on notice that they need to, now.

Anyone who wants instruction on doing so will gladly be provided it by
myself or any number of others on the group.

I am unwilling to buy into the premise that I should assume that most people
who frequent here are completely incapable of basic internet skills. The
presumption should be that they are capable, and if they're not then they'll
ask for help. It is that simple.

As I said earlier, this isn't rocket science, and it's a skill that any user
of the internet, blind, sighted, or anything in between must have or be
willing to acquire. It very simply goes with the territory.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.*

~ Edward Abbey




locked Re: NVDA add on's RSS feed.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Tomy midn a list shoudl be for askign for help if you did all the troubleshooting your self. That and nothingn more. I expect everyone myself included to troubleshoot and if they can't or won't learn that is not my problem, that is the person learning. If they cannot lear or don't want to they dont' really deserve my help or time or frustrations. Tke the time to practice your skill(s) and don't waist my time if you are not willing to practice or learn on your own.

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 30 Apr 2019, at 14:21, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Brian,

 

You forget that not everybody is on the same level as you when it comes to learning. Some people don’t know how to do a proper search for something because they haven’t been trained properly. I can understand doing a search for something but if they can’t find the results for something, isn’t that what a list is all about—helping each other? I won’t say anything more.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA add on's RSS feed.

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 03:21 PM, Kwork wrote:

And, with that bit of flaming from a member of the moderation team towards a user, I'm gone.

Belittling and discouraging should never be in fashion.

Truly, and entirely in public, "Oh, grow up!"

You also have no idea, none whatsoever, of the private correspondence I have had with this member, and that what you consider "belittling" is nothing more than ribbing in fun.

And, by the way, I do expect people to be doing web searches before imposing on the time of hundreds of people in asking questions that are answered by doing one then about 2 minutes to scan the top results.   There is a reason that the guideline about doing an archive search and/or web search was included:  too many people don't do 'em, and it's basic netiquette to do so before ever posting to a mailing list or forum.

I'm tired of people expecting apologies or hand-holding for basic internet skills when they are not new to the internet.  When they are, and indicate such, they'll get all the hand-holding and guidance they need, plus more.  Otherwise, do your due diligence first.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 

 


locked Re: NVDA add on's RSS feed.

Sarah k Alawami
 

I agree, either google or get out.

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 30 Apr 2019, at 13:31, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 03:21 PM, Kwork wrote:

And, with that bit of flaming from a member of the moderation team towards a user, I'm gone.

Belittling and discouraging should never be in fashion.

Truly, and entirely in public, "Oh, grow up!"

You also have no idea, none whatsoever, of the private correspondence I have had with this member, and that what you consider "belittling" is nothing more than ribbing in fun.

And, by the way, I do expect people to be doing web searches before imposing on the time of hundreds of people in asking questions that are answered by doing one then about 2 minutes to scan the top results.   There is a reason that the guideline about doing an archive search and/or web search was included:  too many people don't do 'em, and it's basic netiquette to do so before ever posting to a mailing list or forum.

I'm tired of people expecting apologies or hand-holding for basic internet skills when they are not new to the internet.  When they are, and indicate such, they'll get all the hand-holding and guidance they need, plus more.  Otherwise, do your due diligence first.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 


Re: Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

Sarah k Alawami
 

Will we be able to transfer those videos into youtube links though? I often download for off line listening so I don't think this site will work well.

Take care

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 30 Apr 2019, at 11:21, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I answered a similar request some weeks ago when I recommended a site designed for blind users which gives an ad free interface to search for and play YouTube videos.  The link is:

 

http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/

 

After opening the site, use the e key to jump to the search edit box, then  hit the spacebar to move into focus mode (unless you have auto mode switching set in NVDA).  Type in your search criteria, then pres tab to move to a combo box where you set the number of results per page.  Set this to 10, 20 or 50, then press tab again.  You landin another combo box where you can choose between videos, channels or playlists (I only ever use videos which is the default).  Tab again to the search button and press spacebar to run the search.

 

The results appear in a numbered list which you can access using the h key.  Press this repeatedly and when you find one you want to play, press tab to move focus to it and press enter.  A dialog box opens for the chosen video.  Again use the h key to jup to the different sections, which include player controls, pla details, video information and video comments. You can use the b key to jump to the various player control buttons.

 

After video has played, use alt+left arrow to return to the results list dialog at the point where you left it.

 

Cheers

Chris  

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 30 April 2019 14:46
To: NVDA List
Subject: [nvda] Reaching the comments' section on YouTube video

 

Hi guys,
Quite a while ago I posted here about the very same subject and at that time there was a workaround that really worked like a charm.
Trouble is, it doesn't seem to work anymore.

So, would any of you happen to know of a way to get to the comments' section on a YouTube video in a reliable manner?
Lately, for me, it's been a hit and miss. And honestly, let me tell you, it has been more of a miss than a hit. Really not fun to waste so much time with something that should be easy peasy, as I like to say.

I'm sending this one to the NVDA add-ons list as well, in case someone thinks it'd be a good idea to make an add-on to work with it and give it a solution once and for all.
Were I happen to have enough skills with it I could, should and would very well start such a project.

Cheers,
Marcio.

AKA Starboy

 

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

Follow or add me on Facebook


locked Re: NVDA add on's RSS feed.

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 05:21 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Some people don’t know how to do a proper search for something because they haven’t been trained properly. I can understand doing a search for something but if they can’t find the results for something, isn’t that what a list is all about—helping each other?
Then, Rosemarie, they need to ask how to do so.   I am not willing to believe that people who are on mailing lists and have been for years have never bothered to learn how to do a web search, and if they haven't, this is putting them on notice that they need to, now.

Anyone who wants instruction on doing so will gladly be provided it by myself or any number of others on the group.

I am unwilling to buy into the premise that I should assume that most people who frequent here are completely incapable of basic internet skills.  The presumption should be that they are capable, and if they're not then they'll ask for help.  It is that simple.

As I said earlier, this isn't rocket science, and it's a skill that any user of the internet, blind, sighted, or anything in between must have or be willing to acquire.  It very simply goes with the territory.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 


locked Re: NVDA add on's RSS feed.

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Brian,

 

You forget that not everybody is on the same level as you when it comes to learning. Some people don’t know how to do a proper search for something because they haven’t been trained properly. I can understand doing a search for something but if they can’t find the results for something, isn’t that what a list is all about—helping each other? I won’t say anything more.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2019 1:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA add on's RSS feed.

 

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 03:21 PM, Kwork wrote:

And, with that bit of flaming from a member of the moderation team towards a user, I'm gone.

Belittling and discouraging should never be in fashion.

Truly, and entirely in public, "Oh, grow up!"

You also have no idea, none whatsoever, of the private correspondence I have had with this member, and that what you consider "belittling" is nothing more than ribbing in fun.

And, by the way, I do expect people to be doing web searches before imposing on the time of hundreds of people in asking questions that are answered by doing one then about 2 minutes to scan the top results.   There is a reason that the guideline about doing an archive search and/or web search was included:  too many people don't do 'em, and it's basic netiquette to do so before ever posting to a mailing list or forum.

I'm tired of people expecting apologies or hand-holding for basic internet skills when they are not new to the internet.  When they are, and indicate such, they'll get all the hand-holding and guidance they need, plus more.  Otherwise, do your due diligence first.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 

 


locked Re: NVDA add on's RSS feed.

Nimer Jaber
 

hello,

I have seen more members subscribe than leave. If you would like to follow Qwork out the door, please do so and please don't advertise it.

Thanks.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 1:31 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 03:21 PM, Kwork wrote:

And, with that bit of flaming from a member of the moderation team towards a user, I'm gone.

Belittling and discouraging should never be in fashion.

Truly, and entirely in public, "Oh, grow up!"

You also have no idea, none whatsoever, of the private correspondence I have had with this member, and that what you consider "belittling" is nothing more than ribbing in fun.

And, by the way, I do expect people to be doing web searches before imposing on the time of hundreds of people in asking questions that are answered by doing one then about 2 minutes to scan the top results.   There is a reason that the guideline about doing an archive search and/or web search was included:  too many people don't do 'em, and it's basic netiquette to do so before ever posting to a mailing list or forum.

I'm tired of people expecting apologies or hand-holding for basic internet skills when they are not new to the internet.  When they are, and indicate such, they'll get all the hand-holding and guidance they need, plus more.  Otherwise, do your due diligence first.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell.

           ~ Edward Abbey

 

 



--
Best,

Nimer Jaber

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
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