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Re: How can I use the cursor in Eset Not32 Antivirus by Nvda

Raha Tehrani
 

Hi. there's a trusted zone in many anti virus programs. this zone
tells the program which apps can be fully trusted. at the first
glance, the anti virus may consider the screen-reader a disturbing
program which always checks up on the pressed keys as a keylogger to
find out what's going on. so, it will prevent the screen-reader from
freely having access to what it needs. that's why I suggest you should
include NVDA in the trusted zone list of your anti virus. the
instructions may differ from anti virus to another one. in the case of
eset smart security, you can search the instructions at google or
wherever you like.
all the best.
Take care.

On 5/7/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Jarek,

Anti-virus programs seem to be among the worst offenders when it comes to
accessibility. There is a thread in the "Chat" group about it currently
(since it came up with a couple of other AV's as well just before you
joined the group).

Partly for that reason, I have only personally used Microsoft's built-in
Windows 10 defender lately. Hopefully someone else can offer some
suggestions on working with Eset. One suggestion I would make, is to write
to Eset and make sure they are also aware of the issues with their
software, as they are the best ones to fix the problems.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 7:49 PM Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@email.cz> wrote:

Hello,

I decided to write to this conference, because I have a problem with
using the cursor in Eset by Nvda.

When I start Eset, I can't start the controll of the computer, because
the keyboard doesn't react, Nvda says: Unknown.

I must use the Ocr for do it.

I would like to solve this problem.

Sincerely:

Jarek




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Re: Freeze when pressing NVDA+CTRL+f

Quentin Christensen
 

Also, which browser are you in?

In Firefox, if you are in focus mode, and press NVDA+control+f it will say "Toolbar, find in page edit", but the control is Firefox's find function, not NVDA's.  If you press TAB from there, the focus will move to a "Highlight all" button.  (The find function in Firefox visually highlights the term you search for, but does not move NVDA's focus there).

In Chrome, the same basic thing happens if you are in focus mode - NVDA reports "Find in page edit", and if you press tab, it moves to the "Previous button".  In Browse mode, NVDA's find dialog should open in either browser.

Regards

Quentin.


On Tue, May 7, 2019 at 7:21 AM Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:

You need to ensure you are in browse mode for NVDA+ctrl+f to work.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 6 May 2019 18:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Freeze when pressing NVDA+CTRL+f

 

I experience this very same thing a lot of times.
Never knew what it's all about and would love to find the cause for such an annoyance like this one. So I'll be paying close attention to this thread :)
Thanks for this.


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Em 06/05/2019 13:43, Felix G. disse:

Hi,
has anyone else come across this? I go to a web page, let's say
YouTube, then press NVDA+CTRL+f to search for something, and NVDA
locks up completely. CTRL+ALT+n always brings it back so all is never
lost, but still ...
The log file is silent on this, but then it was only set to info where
debug might have yielded more useful data. Then again, I wasn't
anticipating this thing, and I have no idea how to reproduce it
because most of the time that hotkey just does as it should without
giving me grief.
Nondeterminism seems to be at the root of all that I don't like!
All the best,
Felix
 
 
 
 

 



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Re: key assignments in NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I personally would not use object nav with my num pad in laptop mode but I'm too used to the ones for laptop. They just seem more easier to access as my hand does not have to travel far.

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On 6 May 2019, at 19:54, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I have seen this issue come up before.  I'm going to catch up with Mick and will raise it this afternoon.  In the meantime, clearly there are users who have NVDA setup in Laptop keyboard layout and want to use the number pad for navigation.  Are there any users who have NVDA in Laptop keyboard layout and like being able to use object navigation from the number pad as well?

Just thinking that if there are people who use laptop layout and number pad object navigation, your third hybrid keyboard layout could be a solution - but if not, maybe setting the "desktop" object navigation keys to be desktop (only) keys would be a better solution.

Quentin.

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 8:13 PM Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,

As this issue has been brought up on a few occasions before, I've been thinking of an easier solution that may help persons that have the same desire. What I was thinking was that there could be a new keyboard layout that could accomodate this behaviour, or that the laptop layout by default would behave like this. Then, there could be a different layout called hybrid or something like that, with laptop keystrokes and the NUMPAD using object navigation keys.



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Re: key assignments in NVDA

Gene
 

It is logical to have desktop keys where laptop keys are provided that are different, released, whatever they are.  All keys that are active and do the same things in both layouts would remain active.  But why have keys that are only active in the desktop layout and that are duplicated by different keys in the laptop layout remain active when the laptop layout is used?
 
People may disagree with this for some reason and I hope they comment, but I have never understood the reason why desktop keys remain active in laptop layout when separate laptop commands are available in laptop layout.  Laptop layout commands aren't available in desktop layout.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] key assignments in NVDA

I have seen this issue come up before.  I'm going to catch up with Mick and will raise it this afternoon.  In the meantime, clearly there are users who have NVDA setup in Laptop keyboard layout and want to use the number pad for navigation.  Are there any users who have NVDA in Laptop keyboard layout and like being able to use object navigation from the number pad as well?

Just thinking that if there are people who use laptop layout and number pad object navigation, your third hybrid keyboard layout could be a solution - but if not, maybe setting the "desktop" object navigation keys to be desktop (only) keys would be a better solution.

Quentin.

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 8:13 PM Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,

As this issue has been brought up on a few occasions before, I've been thinking of an easier solution that may help persons that have the same desire. What I was thinking was that there could be a new keyboard layout that could accomodate this behaviour, or that the laptop layout by default would behave like this. Then, there could be a different layout called hybrid or something like that, with laptop keystrokes and the NUMPAD using object navigation keys.



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Re: key assignments in NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

I have seen this issue come up before.  I'm going to catch up with Mick and will raise it this afternoon.  In the meantime, clearly there are users who have NVDA setup in Laptop keyboard layout and want to use the number pad for navigation.  Are there any users who have NVDA in Laptop keyboard layout and like being able to use object navigation from the number pad as well?

Just thinking that if there are people who use laptop layout and number pad object navigation, your third hybrid keyboard layout could be a solution - but if not, maybe setting the "desktop" object navigation keys to be desktop (only) keys would be a better solution.

Quentin.

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 8:13 PM Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
Hi Quentin,

As this issue has been brought up on a few occasions before, I've been thinking of an easier solution that may help persons that have the same desire. What I was thinking was that there could be a new keyboard layout that could accomodate this behaviour, or that the laptop layout by default would behave like this. Then, there could be a different layout called hybrid or something like that, with laptop keystrokes and the NUMPAD using object navigation keys.



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Ask about NVDA training Manual.

prem.translator@...
 

Regarding future training tutorial, for now, there are both Word and Excel. Do you have a plan to release PowerPoint training for NVDA from basic useage ? like viewing and editing presentation as well as creating it from scratch?
 
Thank you. 


Re: nvda key v

 

Well, this time I don't understood you.
Was your answer regarding what I wrote or about what Gene wrote? Because is message is just below mine so I'm a bit confused here :/

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Em 06/05/2019 19:16, Sarah k Alawami disse:

I'm comign from the mac on this, but my home, end, page upa nd page down functions speak like such.

"home: moves to the beginning of the document and reads it." etc etc etc. So I don't mind the verbose. What if I didn't know these meanings in my language. I of corse do, butjust as an example.

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On 6 May 2019, at 14:02, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

No worries, there's a solution. What you think?
There would be an option to check/uncheck which would tell NVDA whhether the commands should be reported or not if one isn't on the window where it should work.
By default, of course, the option would be unchecked so as to have NVDA behaving as it is currently. It would just add one more option for those wanting it.

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Em 06/05/2019 17:51, Gene disse:
What about all the quick navigation commands??? Obviously, for someone just wanting to hear the letters when not in browse mode, you don't want other functions announced.?? What about home and end, for example??? In general, you want to know where they are on an unfamiliar keyboard.?? You don't want to hear an explanation of what they do.?? Be careful what you wich for.??
??
Gene
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Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

Agreed.
Actually I was going to say that indeed when you are in browse mode it does report what the keystroke would do but well that's it.
In my opinion it would be better this way as well.
For example a command that only works on Word should be stated as this but it's not to say that it couldn't be reported out of the Word window. It just would need to tell "it, in Word, does this and that".

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Em 06/05/2019 17:17, Sarah k Alawami disse:

I'm too used to any ep saying the command even when not in browse mode for example I think it should in my humble opinion say "while in browse mode does x y and z' instead of nothing.

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On 6 May 2019, at 13:05, Gene wrote:

Did you check while in browse mode??? If a key only functions under certain conditions, you must be working under those conditions for the command to do what it is stated it will do and it is necessary to be under those conditions to have it described in input help.?? You must be in browse mode.
??
Gene
----- Orihginal Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

Oh, my bad.
I just checked and indeed, with the NVDA help mode on, pressing NVDA+shift V doesn't report anything at all.
Then again it's described on the keystrokes reference as I just said.

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Em 06/05/2019 16:34, marcio via Groups.Io disse:
Em 06/05/2019 16:22, Sarah k Alawami disse:

even in keyboard help that keystroke does not exist. I mean it exists but is ot assigned to anything according to nvda's keyboard help.

From the keystroke refference:
Use screen layout
NVDA+v
NVDA+v
This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line.
Are you seeing anything other than that?

Cheers,
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Re: How can I use the cursor in Eset Not32 Antivirus by Nvda

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Jarek,

Anti-virus programs seem to be among the worst offenders when it comes to accessibility.  There is a thread in the "Chat" group about it currently (since it came up with a couple of other AV's as well just before you joined the group).

Partly for that reason, I have only personally used Microsoft's built-in Windows 10 defender lately.  Hopefully someone else can offer some suggestions on working with Eset.  One suggestion I would make, is to write to Eset and make sure they are also aware of the issues with their software, as they are the best ones to fix the problems.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 7:49 PM Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> wrote:
Hello,

I decided to write to this conference, because I have a problem with
using the cursor in Eset by Nvda.

When I start Eset, I can't start the controll of the computer, because
the keyboard doesn't react, Nvda says: Unknown.

I must use the Ocr for do it.

I would like to solve this problem.

Sincerely:

Jarek






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Re: Voice Synthesis

JM Casey
 

Vocalizer is very human sounding, which is nice, but it is not what I would call "responsive", if I understood what is meant by the query.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cecelia Rodriguez
Sent: May 6, 2019 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Voice Synthesis

I would try vocalize or expressive.
On May 2, 2019, at 9:51 PM, Ed Marquette <marquette.ed@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all:

I’m looking for a voice synthesizer that is highly responsive. I’ve been using Microsoft David. It is not to bad now — after I modified the system to speed it up. NVDA, alone, couldn’t speed it up sufficiently for me.
I’m looking for something as responsive as Eloquence or Vocalizer Direct for JAWS. I think there are versions of both for NVDA. Are they indeed responsive with NVDA?
Thank you n advance for any assistance.



Re: Please help me: About background color in word 2010 with NVDA.

 

By the way, this topic really has nothing to do with NVDA, and everything to do with MS-Word.  I got carried away myself and then realized, afterward, that everything I'd done to get the steps is completely independent of NVDA - it's all applicable only to MS-Word whether one is using a screen reader or not.

If there are more questions on this we need to move it to the Chat Subgroup, as it really doesn't belong here:
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Re: nvda key v

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm comign from the mac on this, but my home, end, page upa nd page down functions speak like such.

"home: moves to the beginning of the document and reads it." etc etc etc. So I don't mind the verbose. What if I didn't know these meanings in my language. I of corse do, butjust as an example.

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On 6 May 2019, at 14:02, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

No worries, there's a solution. What you think?
There would be an option to check/uncheck which would tell NVDA whhether the commands should be reported or not if one isn't on the window where it should work.
By default, of course, the option would be unchecked so as to have NVDA behaving as it is currently. It would just add one more option for those wanting it.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 06/05/2019 17:51, Gene disse:
What about all the quick navigation commands??? Obviously, for someone just wanting to hear the letters when not in browse mode, you don't want other functions announced.?? What about home and end, for example??? In general, you want to know where they are on an unfamiliar keyboard.?? You don't want to hear an explanation of what they do.?? Be careful what you wich for.??
??
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

Agreed.
Actually I was going to say that indeed when you are in browse mode it does report what the keystroke would do but well that's it.
In my opinion it would be better this way as well.
For example a command that only works on Word should be stated as this but it's not to say that it couldn't be reported out of the Word window. It just would need to tell "it, in Word, does this and that".

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Em 06/05/2019 17:17, Sarah k Alawami disse:

I'm too used to any ep saying the command even when not in browse mode for example I think it should in my humble opinion say "while in browse mode does x y and z' instead of nothing.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
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On 6 May 2019, at 13:05, Gene wrote:

Did you check while in browse mode??? If a key only functions under certain conditions, you must be working under those conditions for the command to do what it is stated it will do and it is necessary to be under those conditions to have it described in input help.?? You must be in browse mode.
??
Gene
----- Orihginal Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

Oh, my bad.
I just checked and indeed, with the NVDA help mode on, pressing NVDA+shift V doesn't report anything at all.
Then again it's described on the keystrokes reference as I just said.

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Em 06/05/2019 16:34, marcio via Groups.Io disse:
Em 06/05/2019 16:22, Sarah k Alawami disse:

even in keyboard help that keystroke does not exist. I mean it exists but is ot assigned to anything according to nvda's keyboard help.

From the keystroke refference:
Use screen layout
NVDA+v
NVDA+v
This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line.
Are you seeing anything other than that?

Cheers,
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Re: nvda key v

Sarah k Alawami
 

Then it will say for example "in browse mode such as a website, it will do x y and z, otherwise this keystroke will fail to work." Simple as that. I probably have seen screen reader keyboard help act like that but I can't remember right now as I've ben using computers since 1989 so I'm an old ish person lol!

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On 6 May 2019, at 13:44, Gene wrote:

I am not familiar with any screen-reader where input help gives a command unless you are under the conditions where the command can operate.  What if a command does one thing in one place and something else in another?  I don't recall if I've ever seen ssuch an instance but it may not be a good idea to have a command announced when you aren't working under the conditions for it. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

I'm too used to any ep saying the command even when not in browse mode for example I think it should in my humble opinion say "while in browse mode does x y and z' instead of nothing.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
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On 6 May 2019, at 13:05, Gene wrote:

Did you check while in browse mode?  If a key only functions under certain conditions, you must be working under those conditions for the command to do what it is stated it will do and it is necessary to be under those conditions to have it described in input help.  You must be in browse mode.
 
Gene
----- Orihginal Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

Oh, my bad.
I just checked and indeed, with the NVDA help mode on, pressing NVDA+shift V doesn't report anything at all.
Then again it's described on the keystrokes reference as I just said.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 06/05/2019 16:34, marcio via Groups.Io disse:
Em 06/05/2019 16:22, Sarah k Alawami disse:

even in keyboard help that keystroke does not exist. I mean it exists but is ot assigned to anything according to nvda's keyboard help.

From the keystroke refference:
Use screen layout
NVDA+v
NVDA+v
This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line.
Are you seeing anything other than that?

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Voice Synthesis

Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
 

I would try vocalize or expressive.

On May 2, 2019, at 9:51 PM, Ed Marquette <marquette.ed@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello all:

I’m looking for a voice synthesizer that is highly responsive. I’ve been using Microsoft David. It is not to bad now — after I modified the system to speed it up. NVDA, alone, couldn’t speed it up sufficiently for me.
I’m looking for something as responsive as Eloquence or Vocalizer Direct for JAWS. I think there are versions of both for NVDA. Are they indeed responsive with NVDA?
Thank you n advance for any assistance.



Re: continuous reading command in word document

Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
 

NVDA plus down arrow

On May 5, 2019, at 3:24 AM, pankaj singh Kushwaha <pankaj.jnu11@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear list members, as my subject line states, I want to know the
continuous reading command in word document. Please furnish
thisinformations.

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Re: Greetings and introduction

Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
 

It is nice to meet you my name is Cecelia

On May 5, 2019, at 3:09 PM, Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@email.cz> wrote:

Hello,

My just logged in to conference Nvda.

My name is Jarek Krcmar from the Czech Republic.

I would like to read a messages about Nvda.

Sincerely:

Jarek




Re: Freeze when pressing NVDA+CTRL+f

Chris Mullins
 

You need to ensure you are in browse mode for NVDA+ctrl+f to work.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 6 May 2019 18:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Freeze when pressing NVDA+CTRL+f

 

I experience this very same thing a lot of times.
Never knew what it's all about and would love to find the cause for such an annoyance like this one. So I'll be paying close attention to this thread :)
Thanks for this.


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AKA Starboy

 

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Em 06/05/2019 13:43, Felix G. disse:

Hi,
has anyone else come across this? I go to a web page, let's say
YouTube, then press NVDA+CTRL+f to search for something, and NVDA
locks up completely. CTRL+ALT+n always brings it back so all is never
lost, but still ...
The log file is silent on this, but then it was only set to info where
debug might have yielded more useful data. Then again, I wasn't
anticipating this thing, and I have no idea how to reproduce it
because most of the time that hotkey just does as it should without
giving me grief.
Nondeterminism seems to be at the root of all that I don't like!
All the best,
Felix
 
 
 
 

 


Re: nvda key v

 

No worries, there's a solution. What you think?
There would be an option to check/uncheck which would tell NVDA whhether the commands should be reported or not if one isn't on the window where it should work.
By default, of course, the option would be unchecked so as to have NVDA behaving as it is currently. It would just add one more option for those wanting it.

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Em 06/05/2019 17:51, Gene disse:

What about all the quick navigation commands??? Obviously, for someone just wanting to hear the letters when not in browse mode, you don't want other functions announced.?? What about home and end, for example??? In general, you want to know where they are on an unfamiliar keyboard.?? You don't want to hear an explanation of what they do.?? Be careful what you wich for.??
??
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

Agreed.
Actually I was going to say that indeed when you are in browse mode it does report what the keystroke would do but well that's it.
In my opinion it would be better this way as well.
For example a command that only works on Word should be stated as this but it's not to say that it couldn't be reported out of the Word window. It just would need to tell "it, in Word, does this and that".

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Em 06/05/2019 17:17, Sarah k Alawami disse:

I'm too used to any ep saying the command even when not in browse mode for example I think it should in my humble opinion say "while in browse mode does x y and z' instead of nothing.

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On 6 May 2019, at 13:05, Gene wrote:

Did you check while in browse mode??? If a key only functions under certain conditions, you must be working under those conditions for the command to do what it is stated it will do and it is necessary to be under those conditions to have it described in input help.?? You must be in browse mode.
??
Gene
----- Orihginal Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

Oh, my bad.
I just checked and indeed, with the NVDA help mode on, pressing NVDA+shift V doesn't report anything at all.
Then again it's described on the keystrokes reference as I just said.

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Em 06/05/2019 16:34, marcio via Groups.Io disse:
Em 06/05/2019 16:22, Sarah k Alawami disse:

even in keyboard help that keystroke does not exist. I mean it exists but is ot assigned to anything according to nvda's keyboard help.

From the keystroke refference:
Use screen layout
NVDA+v
NVDA+v
This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line.
Are you seeing anything other than that?

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Re: Freeze when pressing NVDA+CTRL+f

Felix G.
 

Hi,
it's the stable version 2019.1.1 which is also the current version.
No form field in my case, but thanks for theorizing with me here! It's easy to overlook something, and every additional brain on the case is a good thing.
All the best,
Felix

Am Mo., 6. Mai 2019 um 21:20 Uhr schrieb hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...>:

Hi


no |All the pages i use it on it works great. Are you using a stable version of nvda or a snap shot?


Some times when you go into a page is it defaulting to a form field? If so just use the nvda key + space bar to get out of it then use the find command in browse mode.


I have been caught out that way when i do not hear it say some times which mode it is in.


Gene nz


On 7/05/2019 4:43 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
has anyone else come across this? I go to a web page, let's say
YouTube, then press NVDA+CTRL+f to search for something, and NVDA
locks up completely. CTRL+ALT+n always brings it back so all is never
lost, but still ...
The log file is silent on this, but then it was only set to info where
debug might have yielded more useful data. Then again, I wasn't
anticipating this thing, and I have no idea how to reproduce it
because most of the time that hotkey just does as it should without
giving me grief.
Nondeterminism seems to be at the root of all that I don't like!
All the best,
Felix



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Re: nvda key v

Gene
 

What about all the quick navigation commands?  Obviously, for someone just wanting to hear the letters when not in browse mode, you don't want other functions announced.  What about home and end, for example?  In general, you want to know where they are on an unfamiliar keyboard.  You don't want to hear an explanation of what they do.  Be careful what you wich for. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

Agreed.
Actually I was going to say that indeed when you are in browse mode it does report what the keystroke would do but well that's it.
In my opinion it would be better this way as well.
For example a command that only works on Word should be stated as this but it's not to say that it couldn't be reported out of the Word window. It just would need to tell "it, in Word, does this and that".

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 06/05/2019 17:17, Sarah k Alawami disse:

I'm too used to any ep saying the command even when not in browse mode for example I think it should in my humble opinion say "while in browse mode does x y and z' instead of nothing.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and ??tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

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On 6 May 2019, at 13:05, Gene wrote:

Did you check while in browse mode??? If a key only functions under certain conditions, you must be working under those conditions for the command to do what it is stated it will do and it is necessary to be under those conditions to have it described in input help.?? You must be in browse mode.
??
Gene
----- Orihginal Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

Oh, my bad.
I just checked and indeed, with the NVDA help mode on, pressing NVDA+shift V doesn't report anything at all.
Then again it's described on the keystrokes reference as I just said.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 06/05/2019 16:34, marcio via Groups.Io disse:
Em 06/05/2019 16:22, Sarah k Alawami disse:

even in keyboard help that keystroke does not exist. I mean it exists but is ot assigned to anything according to nvda's keyboard help.

From the keystroke refference:
Use screen layout
NVDA+v
NVDA+v
This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line.
Are you seeing anything other than that?

Cheers,
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Re: nvda key v

Gene
 

I am not familiar with any screen-reader where input help gives a command unless you are under the conditions where the command can operate.  What if a command does one thing in one place and something else in another?  I don't recall if I've ever seen ssuch an instance but it may not be a good idea to have a command announced when you aren't working under the conditions for it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

I'm too used to any ep saying the command even when not in browse mode for example I think it should in my humble opinion say "while in browse mode does x y and z' instead of nothing.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 6 May 2019, at 13:05, Gene wrote:

Did you check while in browse mode?  If a key only functions under certain conditions, you must be working under those conditions for the command to do what it is stated it will do and it is necessary to be under those conditions to have it described in input help.  You must be in browse mode.
 
Gene
----- Orihginal Message -----
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda key v

Oh, my bad.
I just checked and indeed, with the NVDA help mode on, pressing NVDA+shift V doesn't report anything at all.
Then again it's described on the keystrokes reference as I just said.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Em 06/05/2019 16:34, marcio via Groups.Io disse:
Em 06/05/2019 16:22, Sarah k Alawami disse:

even in keyboard help that keystroke does not exist. I mean it exists but is ot assigned to anything according to nvda's keyboard help.

From the keystroke refference:
Use screen layout
NVDA+v
NVDA+v
This option allows you to specify whether content in browse mode should place content such as links and other fields on their own line, or if it should keep them in the flow of text as it is visually shown. If the option is enabled then things will stay as they are visually shown, but if it is disabled then fields will be placed on their own line.
Are you seeing anything other than that?

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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