Date   

Re: Weather_Plus 6.2 available

Rémy Ruiz
 

Hi,

This the new version to download:

http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus6.2.nvda-addon

I add only for those who still have problems, as already suggested by someone to go it:
1. press left windows key+r.
2. paste the line:
%appdata%\nvda\
3. delete the file weather.ini.
4. Press nvda+ctrl+f3 and reconfigure the add-on normally.http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus6.1.nvda-addon

Thanks.

Cheers.

Rémy

Le 10/05/2019 à 13:43, abdul muhamin a écrit :

Hi. The file is missing. Please fix

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather_Plus 6.0 available

 

Hi friend Gerardo,

Put the log in debug mode to see the general option in NVDA, press the NVDA+F1 key, save this file and give it a name.log and then send the log to Adriano, you have his mail in the readme.html, or via the addon page. Thanks for your comments always useful.

Greetings.

Rémy

Le 09/05/2019 à 16:21, Gerardo Corripio a écrit :

Bravo bravo! It worked! Disregard the previous Email I’d sent a few minutes ago, about even though this morning updated to Weather Plus 6.2, it still didn’t work. Nevertheless I’d like a refresher on if this ever happens again, how would I extract the log, and send it through here? So far Weather Plus is awesome! Keep up the great work!

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Rémy Ruiz
Enviado: miércoles, 8 de mayo de 2019 11:54 a. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Weather_Plus 6.0 available

 

Hi Gerardo,

Can you please download this version 6.1, is the last version available;

http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus6.1.nvda-addon

 

I add only for those who still have problems, as already suggested by someone to go it:
1. press left windows key+r.
2. paste the line:
%appdata%\nvda\
3. delete the file weather.ini.
4. Press nvda+ctrl+f3 and reconfigure the add-on normally.http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus6.1.nvda-addon
Thanks.
Rémy

Le 08/05/2019 à 02:04, Gerardo Corripio a écrit :

Nothing Works. I installed the two versions but nothing. It only makesthe sound when I go into theSeacities.Afterwards the setting is unavailable. Hope to get it fixed son!

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
Enviado: martes, 7 de mayo de 2019 04:56 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Weather_Plus 6.0 available

 

Hi,

 

I have fixed 2 bugs recently.

download again, remove any Weather_Plus version and install again Weather_Plus 6.0.

http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus6.0.nvda-addon

Let them know

 

Regards

Adriano

Il 07/05/2019 22:46, Jarek.Krcmar ha scritto:

Greetings,

I have problem with the Weather plus.

I could start it, Windows has seen it not anyway.

So, I have uninstalled and installed Nvda and than Weather plus.

But I can't set my town.

Where is a problem, please?

Could you help me?

Sincerely:

Jarek

Dne 07-05-2019 v 12:30 Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io napsal(a):


Hi to every one,


Note for those who were using versions 5 of Weather_Plus (Apixu API)::

The list of cities you have is not compatible with this new version, don't worry, Weather_Plus will allow you to retrieve them via the settings window.

Changes in this version:

??? Weather Plus returns to using the Yahoo Weather API.
??? Virtually all the features of the previous version 4.8 are back and keeps the "Rename" button.

??? Now compatible also with Python 3.

??? NVDA compatibility: 2017.3 to 2019.1

Weather_Plus can update itself, however you can download it from the following page:

http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus6.0.nvda-addon

Thanks in advance Noelia, Remy, Abdel, and Svonimir for yoursgreat commitment to include Weather_Plus in the automatic translation system and restoring the download link on the international page.


Best regards

Adriano Barbieri

 

 

 

 


Re: Weather_Plus 6.0 available

abdul muhamin
 

Hi. The file is missing. Please fix

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rémy Ruiz
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 7:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather_Plus 6.0 available

 

Hi friend Gerardo,

Put the log in debug mode to see the general option in NVDA, press the NVDA+F1 key, save this file and give it a name.log and then send the log to Adriano, you have his mail in the readme.html, or via the addon page. Thanks for your comments always useful.

Greetings.

Rémy

Le 09/05/2019 à 16:21, Gerardo Corripio a écrit :

Bravo bravo! It worked! Disregard the previous Email I’d sent a few minutes ago, about even though this morning updated to Weather Plus 6.2, it still didn’t work. Nevertheless I’d like a refresher on if this ever happens again, how would I extract the log, and send it through here? So far Weather Plus is awesome! Keep up the great work!

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Rémy Ruiz
Enviado: miércoles, 8 de mayo de 2019 11:54 a. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Weather_Plus 6.0 available

 

Hi Gerardo,

Can you please download this version 6.1, is the last version available;

http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus6.1.nvda-addon

 

I add only for those who still have problems, as already suggested by someone to go it:
1. press left windows key+r.
2. paste the line:
%appdata%\nvda\
3. delete the file weather.ini.
4. Press nvda+ctrl+f3 and reconfigure the add-on normally.http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus6.1.nvda-addon
Thanks.
Rémy

Le 08/05/2019 à 02:04, Gerardo Corripio a écrit :

Nothing Works. I installed the two versions but nothing. It only makesthe sound when I go into theSeacities.Afterwards the setting is unavailable. Hope to get it fixed son!

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io
Enviado: martes, 7 de mayo de 2019 04:56 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] Weather_Plus 6.0 available

 

Hi,

 

I have fixed 2 bugs recently.

download again, remove any Weather_Plus version and install again Weather_Plus 6.0.

http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus6.0.nvda-addon

Let them know

 

Regards

Adriano

Il 07/05/2019 22:46, Jarek.Krcmar ha scritto:

Greetings,

I have problem with the Weather plus.

I could start it, Windows has seen it not anyway.

So, I have uninstalled and installed Nvda and than Weather plus.

But I can't set my town.

Where is a problem, please?

Could you help me?

Sincerely:

Jarek

Dne 07-05-2019 v 12:30 Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io napsal(a):


Hi to every one,


Note for those who were using versions 5 of Weather_Plus (Apixu API)::

The list of cities you have is not compatible with this new version, don't worry, Weather_Plus will allow you to retrieve them via the settings window.

Changes in this version:

??? Weather Plus returns to using the Yahoo Weather API.
??? Virtually all the features of the previous version 4.8 are back and keeps the "Rename" button.

??? Now compatible also with Python 3.

??? NVDA compatibility: 2017.3 to 2019.1

Weather_Plus can update itself, however you can download it from the following page:

http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus6.0.nvda-addon

Thanks in advance Noelia, Remy, Abdel, and Svonimir for yoursgreat commitment to include Weather_Plus in the automatic translation system and restoring the download link on the international page.


Best regards

Adriano Barbieri

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA remote

 

Agreed. Don't know why they haven't done it this way. It would make life much easier :)

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Re: NVDA remote

Antony Stone
 

It strikes me that it would be better for NVDA Remote to send not the
keystrokes themselves, which then need to be interpreted by the remote
machine, and rely on it having the same NVDA keyboard layout setting, but
instead to send the NVDA commands which result from those keystrokes, so that
the person on the controlling computer types some key combination on their
keyboard, and the command which this combination means to then gets sent to
the controlled computer, without caring what keyboard language or layout it
has.

Antony.

On Friday 10 May 2019 at 11:01:42, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

I don’t know what what the @Luke etc references are because I’m a dinosaur
and have no interest in Twitter or Facebook but I’m confused by the
references to keypads. To use NVDA remote, both parties should have NVDA
configured to use the same keyboard layout and language, irrespective of
the physical computers. Think about it, the controlling is sending
keystrokes to the controlled computer, so it has to cbe configured to
understand those keystrokes.

To check what NVDA version is being used, press NVDA+f1 to open the log
file, move to the top of the log file and use the down arrow to scroll a
few lines down and there is a message stating the version of NVDA being
used.

Cheers

Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ján
Kulik Sent: 10 May 2019 09:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

hi,

@Luke: He has the latest version of this add-on installed, so I didn't
require it from him. He does not know much about these things, so I say
that his teacher has set it up for him.

@Kevin: So in the hint it is possible that we both have a keypad, that is,
a deskstop or a laptop.
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Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 10 May 2019, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Yes, you can make arguments for and against all of those points (for instance, I still don't see my proposal as restricting functionality, as there would
still be at least ONE way of doing everything still at any given time), but there is no single solution that is going to work for everyone.  Yes it can be
useful to be able to do something from the number if you are there, or from the main keyboard, if you are there, but the intention of laptop keyboard layout
was to provide the ability to access all NVDA functions for those using laptops which didn't have number pads - it wasn't supposed to be just a way of
duplicating functionality [.]
What I need to do, is work out what the best setup is for the majority of users, out of the box, and the easiest way to adjust the functionality for those
who desire that [.]
In another message (a few minutes ago), I proposed (1) adopting your proposal, which is still the most reasonable starting position, as the default; (2) then providing two checkboxes under keyboard options, to customize for users who want that. Lastly I added (3) an unassigned gesture to switch the numpad to the other state on the fly.

I say now: if you are concerned about simplicity, why not do (1) and (3), and eliminate (2)? That would have your proposal as the default (numpad nav in desktop, default numpad in laptop), and allow users who want it, and understand what they need, to make a keystroke (gesture) to toggle the state of the numpad in whatever layout their in. Hidden from those who would be confused, but there for those who need advanced configurations; and the default would behave as one would expect. No extra checkboxes, and still only two layouts needed.

Make that toggle state save with saved settings for those users who want to set one unusual config and forget it.

Luke


Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Luke Davis
 

Responding to Ed Marquette's point: you would need a 4th, as Gene described, so that people who want desktop layout but don't want the numpad to act as review/object nav controls, can have that option.

So instead of all of these different intricate keyboard layout choices, it would seem more reasonable to me to keep the two current layouts, but have now two checkboxes under keyboard:

Numpad controls NVDA cursers in laptop layout (default to off)
Numpad controls NVDA cursers in desktop layout (default to on)

This would provide all possible options, without requiring a plethora of layout choices. It would also keep the setting from reverting when you changed keyboard layout choices--you would just get whatever functionality you had your checkboxes set to.

I would suggest further a keyboard shortcut to toggle numpad nav no matter what layout you're in, unassigned by default. That covers those who like to change their numpad functionality on the fly, but wouldn't get in the way of people who have no idea what this is all about.

Luke

On Thu, 9 May 2019, Ed Marquette wrote:

You may want to consider those of us who use a laptop, but who frequently either plug in a USP keyboard with a full number ped or plug the laptop into a
port replication device and use a dedicated full keyboard with a number pad.
We frequently carry the laptop back and forth, using either the built-in keyboard with no number pad  or use the external keyboard.  For this reason, I like
to keep the laptop set to laptop mode, but just use the separate number pad if it is   available.
Sometimes, when I’m concentrating, I forget what is actually enabled.  So, if laptop keyboard is always engaged and I have a full keyboard, I just use the
separate number pad, and use the laptop navigation keys either when there is no separate number pad  or when I’m just concentrating.
Why not have an option three, e.g.:
1.  Laptop mode (with number pad functions disabled);
2.  Desktop; and
3.  Laptop with number pad still enabled?


Re: NVDA remote

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I don’t know what what the @Luke etc references are because I’m a dinosaur and have no interest in Twitter or Facebook but I’m confused by the references to keypads.  To use NVDA remote, both parties should have NVDA configured to use the same keyboard layout and language, irrespective of the physical computers.  Think about it, the controlling is sending keystrokes to the controlled computer, so it has to cbe configured to understand those keystrokes.     

 

To check what NVDA version is being used, press NVDA+f1 to open the log file, move to the top of the log file and use the down arrow to scroll a few lines down and there is a message stating the version of NVDA being used.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ján Kulik
Sent: 10 May 2019 09:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

 

hi,

@Luke: He has the latest version of this add-on installed, so I didn't require it from him. He does not know much about these things, so I say that his teacher has set it up for him.

@Kevin: So in the hint it is possible that we both have a keypad, that is, a deskstop or a laptop.


Re: Bad boots of NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

Hi roger

The quickest way to it is to press Windows+r to open the run dialog.  Type in %tmp% and press enter.  This will open file explorer in the folder where the nvda logs can be found.  Note, you need to have set your Windows system to “show hidden files and folders” in order to acces this data.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: 9 May 2019 20:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Bad boots of NVDA

 

How and where would I find an old log file? I thought that file was dumped when nvda is shut down and a new one started the next time nvda is run.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 5/9/2019 2:08 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can you type nvda -r in the run dialogue and restart tyat way? Then pull up a old log file and set the text to the list?

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On 9 May 2019, at 10:57, Jackie wrote:

Well, ahem. That didn't work for me either.

On 5/9/19, Brice Mijares bricemijares@... wrote:

I realized I forgot to mention the alt key. Also, it don't allays work.

On 5/9/2019 10:36 AM, Jackie wrote:

That certainly was ineffective when I attempted it. You really meant
NVDA key + n, Bryce?

On 5/9/19, Brice Mijares bricemijares@... wrote:

This also happens to me maybe once a week. Usually holding down the
NVDA key and tapping the letter N twice will reboot NVDA. H T H.

On 5/9/2019 10:04 AM, Roger Stewart wrote:

I've been noticing that somewhat often now, whenever I boot up my
computer, nvda comes on, but all its hotkeys are dead. I can't even use
nvda q to try to restart it. I have a P View utility that shows all
processes running and can offer to stop any of them. I can then stop
NVDA and then start it with its normal hotkey and then all is good.
This
is the only way I can get it going correctly aside from a total reboot.
This has happened 3 times over the past week.  Does anyone know what
causes this and is there any better way of getting out of this?

Thanks.

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Re: Bad boots of NVDA

 

Luke,
And thus ends your vintage early 90s DOS lesson for the day, LOL.
Thanks a lot for the lesson, hehe.
I've worked with DOS a few times but it wasn't nothing more than little simple codes. However I love to learn about this old but useful thing!
Now, I'll finish reading some emails and do me homework. LOL

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Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Quentin,
Would that break how you currently use NVDA?  Since you said your number pad isn't working, it sounds like it shouldn't make a difference, but maybe I didn't explain it well to begin with.
Ah, never mind it. It was a misinterpretation on my side.
It's indeed not going to affect me.

Thanks for the patience as I sometimes am a bit slow for understanding things. LOL

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Re: NVDA remote

Ján Kulik
 

hi,
@Luke: He has the latest version of this add-on installed, so I didn't require it from him. He does not know much about these things, so I say that his teacher has set it up for him.
@Kevin: So in the hint it is possible that we both have a keypad, that is, a deskstop or a laptop.


Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Quentin Christensen
 

Ah, but the current situation (object navigation using two sets of keys in laptop layout) restricts functionality to those who have a number pad but no separate navigation keys.

My proposal, as you've pointed out, "restricts functionality" in only allowing one set of keys for functions at a time.

And the third proposal, to make a way of selecting either option, may not restrict functionality as such, but it adds complexity (an extra setting, or keystroke, or both), and for some users, that is as bad as they may find it confusing and not be able to setup NVDA how they would like.

Yes, you can make arguments for and against all of those points (for instance, I still don't see my proposal as restricting functionality, as there would still be at least ONE way of doing everything still at any given time), but there is no single solution that is going to work for everyone.  Yes it can be useful to be able to do something from the number if you are there, or from the main keyboard, if you are there, but the intention of laptop keyboard layout was to provide the ability to access all NVDA functions for those using laptops which didn't have number pads - it wasn't supposed to be just a way of duplicating functionality - in fact, if you want to add extra keystrokes, you can use the input gestures dialog to add as many as you like.

What I need to do, is work out what the best setup is for the majority of users, out of the box, and the easiest way to adjust the functionality for those who desire that (currently you could free the number pad in laptop layout, by deleting all those keystrokes in the Input Gestures dialog - however it would be a tedious process, and there is a great risk of accidentally removing a keystroke you intended to keep).



On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 11:41 AM Cristóbal <cristobalmuli@...> wrote:

Honestly, why restrict functionality? Being able to execute commands either from the main keyboard or numpad depending on what you’re doing or where your hands are is a huge plus. Be it with Jaws or NVDA.

This was part of my issue I wrote about a  while back with NVDA. That there wasn’t a means to navigate via paragraph, line or whatever strictly off of the keyboard without having to use the arrow keys.

Some may think it’s redundant that there are duplicate commands for the same function, but again, I and I’m sure a lot of folks find it rather useful to accomplish the same task from both the numpad and main keyboard.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 3:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Hi Quentin!

I wanted you to know that

I use the laptop commands for object navigation on my laptop, even though it has a Number pad.

I like the laptop commands better, because you can keep your hands right on the alpha-numeric keys. I love just being able to hold down the shift and NVDA keys, and just press the arrow keys to do object nav.

I would not be affected at all.

I just wanted you to know!

David Moore

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Hi Marcio,

 

Do you use laptop layout or desktop layout currently?  Laptop layout already redefines all the object navigation keys to use other keys on the keyboard (the original idea was that laptop layout would provide full functionality on a keyboard without a number pad).  Currently what actually happens is that with NVDA in laptop keyboard layout, you have access to BOTH the laptop layout object navigation, AND the desktop (number pad) object navigation.

 

Our proposal is to set the number pad object navigation commands to work ONLY in Desktop layout (which is what most people expect anyway).

 

Would that break how you currently use NVDA?  Since you said your number pad isn't working, it sounds like it shouldn't make a difference, but maybe I didn't explain it well to begin with.

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:37 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

For a laptop with a numpad just set the layout to desktop and you’re done.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Quentin,
I do have a laptop which was supposed to have a numpad. Nowadays, it's not working.
So, with this new proposal, would I lose all the functionalities related to object navigation?
If so, I'd imagine that the proposal for a hybrid layout is more desirable, especially for me because this way I don't lose access to all of this.


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Em 08/05/2019 21:11, Quentin Christensen disse:

Following on from the Key assignments in NVDA thread, I have created an issue on GitHub:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9549 

 

Basically, the desktop layout object navigation and review cursor keys in NVDA are actually set to be active for ALL keyboard layouts.

 

Laptop layout was designed for users without a number pad, but there are users who use Laptop layout but still have a number pad and wish to use this for navigation (Without NVDA running, the number pad, with numlock off, replicates the navigation keys of home, end, page up, page down, insert, delete and the arrow keys and some laptops have a number pad but no separate navigation keys).

 

My proposal then is to set the desktop object navigation / review cursor keys to be active in desktop layout only.

 

If there is anyone who uses laptop layout but still wants to access the desktop layout object navigation keys, please let us know!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Cristóbal
 

Honestly, why restrict functionality? Being able to execute commands either from the main keyboard or numpad depending on what you’re doing or where your hands are is a huge plus. Be it with Jaws or NVDA.

This was part of my issue I wrote about a  while back with NVDA. That there wasn’t a means to navigate via paragraph, line or whatever strictly off of the keyboard without having to use the arrow keys.

Some may think it’s redundant that there are duplicate commands for the same function, but again, I and I’m sure a lot of folks find it rather useful to accomplish the same task from both the numpad and main keyboard.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 3:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Hi Quentin!

I wanted you to know that

I use the laptop commands for object navigation on my laptop, even though it has a Number pad.

I like the laptop commands better, because you can keep your hands right on the alpha-numeric keys. I love just being able to hold down the shift and NVDA keys, and just press the arrow keys to do object nav.

I would not be affected at all.

I just wanted you to know!

David Moore

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Hi Marcio,

 

Do you use laptop layout or desktop layout currently?  Laptop layout already redefines all the object navigation keys to use other keys on the keyboard (the original idea was that laptop layout would provide full functionality on a keyboard without a number pad).  Currently what actually happens is that with NVDA in laptop keyboard layout, you have access to BOTH the laptop layout object navigation, AND the desktop (number pad) object navigation.

 

Our proposal is to set the number pad object navigation commands to work ONLY in Desktop layout (which is what most people expect anyway).

 

Would that break how you currently use NVDA?  Since you said your number pad isn't working, it sounds like it shouldn't make a difference, but maybe I didn't explain it well to begin with.

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:37 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

For a laptop with a numpad just set the layout to desktop and you’re done.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Quentin,
I do have a laptop which was supposed to have a numpad. Nowadays, it's not working.
So, with this new proposal, would I lose all the functionalities related to object navigation?
If so, I'd imagine that the proposal for a hybrid layout is more desirable, especially for me because this way I don't lose access to all of this.


Cheers,
Marcio

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Em 08/05/2019 21:11, Quentin Christensen disse:

Following on from the Key assignments in NVDA thread, I have created an issue on GitHub:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9549 

 

Basically, the desktop layout object navigation and review cursor keys in NVDA are actually set to be active for ALL keyboard layouts.

 

Laptop layout was designed for users without a number pad, but there are users who use Laptop layout but still have a number pad and wish to use this for navigation (Without NVDA running, the number pad, with numlock off, replicates the navigation keys of home, end, page up, page down, insert, delete and the arrow keys and some laptops have a number pad but no separate navigation keys).

 

My proposal then is to set the desktop object navigation / review cursor keys to be active in desktop layout only.

 

If there is anyone who uses laptop layout but still wants to access the desktop layout object navigation keys, please let us know!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Ed Marquette
 


You may want to consider those of us who use a laptop, but who frequently either plug in a USP keyboard with a full number ped or plug the laptop into a port replication device and use a dedicated full keyboard with a number pad.
We frequently carry the laptop back and forth, using either the built-in keyboard with no number pad  or use the external keyboard.  For this reason, I like to keep the laptop set to laptop mode, but just use the separate number pad if it is   available.
Sometimes, when I’m concentrating, I forget what is actually enabled.  So, if laptop keyboard is always engaged and I have a full keyboard, I just use the separate number pad, and use the laptop navigation keys either when there is no separate number pad  or when I’m just concentrating.
Why not have an option three, e.g.:
1.  Laptop mode (with number pad functions disabled);
2.  Desktop; and
3.  Laptop with number pad still enabled?
 


On May 9, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Hi Marcio,

Do you use laptop layout or desktop layout currently?  Laptop layout already redefines all the object navigation keys to use other keys on the keyboard (the original idea was that laptop layout would provide full functionality on a keyboard without a number pad).  Currently what actually happens is that with NVDA in laptop keyboard layout, you have access to BOTH the laptop layout object navigation, AND the desktop (number pad) object navigation.

Our proposal is to set the number pad object navigation commands to work ONLY in Desktop layout (which is what most people expect anyway).

Would that break how you currently use NVDA?  Since you said your number pad isn't working, it sounds like it shouldn't make a difference, but maybe I didn't explain it well to begin with.

Quentin.

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:37 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

For a laptop with a numpad just set the layout to desktop and you’re done.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Quentin,
I do have a laptop which was supposed to have a numpad. Nowadays, it's not working.
So, with this new proposal, would I lose all the functionalities related to object navigation?
If so, I'd imagine that the proposal for a hybrid layout is more desirable, especially for me because this way I don't lose access to all of this.


Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

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Em 08/05/2019 21:11, Quentin Christensen disse:

Following on from the Key assignments in NVDA thread, I have created an issue on GitHub:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9549 

 

Basically, the desktop layout object navigation and review cursor keys in NVDA are actually set to be active for ALL keyboard layouts.

 

Laptop layout was designed for users without a number pad, but there are users who use Laptop layout but still have a number pad and wish to use this for navigation (Without NVDA running, the number pad, with numlock off, replicates the navigation keys of home, end, page up, page down, insert, delete and the arrow keys and some laptops have a number pad but no separate navigation keys).

 

My proposal then is to set the desktop object navigation / review cursor keys to be active in desktop layout only.

 

If there is anyone who uses laptop layout but still wants to access the desktop layout object navigation keys, please let us know!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Sarah k Alawami
 

I personally would want the number pad to act as a number pad so I can use let's say the num pad 2 to do something in my sim and not as end. Etc. I end a 6 pack on my keyboard so for me it just is not needed.

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On 9 May 2019, at 17:28, Luke Davis wrote:

On Thu, 9 May 2019, Tyler Wood wrote:

I personally use both commands when it suits me. Is there any reason in particular this is being done or is it simply to make things less confusing?

The reason is, that people using laptop layout, but who also have a number pad, have a reasonable expectation that since they are using laptop layout, that number pad will be available to do standard navigation (home, end, up, down, page up, page down).
Currently, it is not--the desktop layout object nav keys are still there in laptop layout, which doesn't make much sense.

Can this perhaps be toggleable? I find it super nice, for example, to hit a command on the num pad with one hand but other times I really enjoy the laptop
layout. It just depends what I’m doing at the time.

Not my question to answer, but personally I would think having it off by default, with a checkbox in keyboard config to turn it back on if desired, would not be objectionable.
"Replicate object navigation on number pad in laptop layout"

Luke


Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Gene
 

Years ago, I suggested and argued that a way be found to allow numpad insert numpad 2 to function as a read to end command, as it does in JAWS.  JAWS also allows any JAWS key to be used with down arrow on the main keyboard, and NVDA allows any NVD A key to be used with down arrow on the main keyboard.  So in that respect, they function with the same pattern.  But this command, one which is very popular among JAWS users, and all the other numpad commands would also be available in NVDA if the numpad were allowed to function in the default way in laptop layout.  In other words, numpad 4 would be equivalent to left arrow, numpad 6 would be equivalent to right arrow, etc.  Holding the numpad insert and using numpad 4 and 6 would move you back and forward by word, at least as I understand matters.  My understanding is that JAWS doesn't alter the numpad functioning in any way, thus allowing it to perform its default actions. 
 
This would make NVDA far more friendly to those who already use the Numpad this way in JAWS if they are switching or using it as another screen-reader, and it would also make it far friendlier to those who use JAWS in this way because they have problems using both hands.  It is not at all friendly to force people to either use either insert and the down arrow on the main keyboard, an uncomfortable command I very much object to for such a common command as read to end, or to have to use capslock down arrow on the main keyboard, which requires two hands.  now, it might finally be done.
 
I have no objection to this being user controlable, having the ability to have the numpad on and off regarding NVDA functions in laptop mode.  But the option to have it off should be there and it should probably be the default.  And when using the desktop layout, why not have the same option so that desktop users who seldom use object navigation or flat review can have this option as well.  But with the desktop, the numpad NVDA functions should be on by default.
 
Gene
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From: Luke Davis
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2019 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only

On Thu, 9 May 2019, Tyler Wood wrote:

> I personally use both commands when it suits me. Is there any reason in particular this is being done or is it simply to make things less confusing?

The reason is, that people using laptop layout, but who also have a number pad,
have a reasonable expectation that since they are using laptop layout, that
number pad will be available to do standard navigation (home, end, up, down,
page up, page down).
Currently, it is not--the desktop layout object nav keys are still there in
laptop layout, which doesn't make much sense.

> Can this perhaps be toggleable? I find it super nice, for example, to hit a command on the num pad with one hand but other times I really enjoy the laptop
> layout. It just depends what I’m doing at the time.

Not my question to answer, but personally I would think having it off by
default, with a checkbox in keyboard config to turn it back on if desired, would
not be objectionable.
"Replicate object navigation on number pad in laptop layout"

Luke




Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Luke Davis
 

On Thu, 9 May 2019, Tyler Wood wrote:

I personally use both commands when it suits me. Is there any reason in particular this is being done or is it simply to make things less confusing?
The reason is, that people using laptop layout, but who also have a number pad, have a reasonable expectation that since they are using laptop layout, that number pad will be available to do standard navigation (home, end, up, down, page up, page down).
Currently, it is not--the desktop layout object nav keys are still there in laptop layout, which doesn't make much sense.

Can this perhaps be toggleable? I find it super nice, for example, to hit a command on the num pad with one hand but other times I really enjoy the laptop
layout. It just depends what I’m doing at the time.
Not my question to answer, but personally I would think having it off by default, with a checkbox in keyboard config to turn it back on if desired, would not be objectionable.
"Replicate object navigation on number pad in laptop layout"

Luke


Re: this is the call for topics letter that needs to be sent around.

Quentin Christensen
 

Laura,

Just a reminder that if you attached a file to the email, the mailing list would have automatically stripped it :)

You'll need to either copy the contents into the body of the message, or maybe put it up on NVDAcon.org and post a link.

Quentin.

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:38 AM lauracornwell <lauracornwell1@...> wrote:

Hey there. To all would you please share this the   date this closes is the end of June so please take the time to read this .



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Re: Bad boots of NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Just jumping in to say I'm following this - I haven't seen any reports of the original mentioned issue here before this one, so I would be interested in seeing a log please.

I normally advise %temp% as the folder, although I think %tmp% works on most machines as well.  You can get to that by press WINDOWS+R typing %temp% (the word temp with a percent sign before and after) and pressing ENTER.  The files you are looking for are nvda.log (the most recent log - current if NVDA is running, or from the last time NVDA was run if it's not) and nvda-old.log (the log from the time before).

If you post to the list, you'll need to copy the contents into the body of the message, otherwise you can email to me at info@... and attach the files.  If you could set your log level (in NVDA's general settings) to debug, that might help as it will show each thing NVDA tries to do and exactly what time it does it - so even if there isn't an error, we can at least see where things are being slow.

If it's happening as soon as you start your computer, could it be that Windows is busy loading a bunch of other things and everything is running slow at that point - if so, if you turn the computer on, (log in?) then go have a cuppa and come back a few minutes later once everything has loaded, NVDA should work - I'm not suggesting that as a permanent workaround, but trying it once might confirm whether the issue is NVDA or the system.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 6:40 AM marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Luke,
Probably not.  Try %tmp%

If that doesn't work for some reason, possibly:

%localappdata%\temp
Thanks a lot. Both paths worked.
I have yet to find a complete list of these "shortcuts".

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Tyler Wood
 

I personally use both commands when it suits me. Is there any reason in particular this is being done or is it simply to make things less confusing?

Can this perhaps be toggleable? I find it super nice, for example, to hit a command on the num pad with one hand but other times I really enjoy the laptop layout. It just depends what I’m doing at the time.

Thanks!

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: May 9, 2019 5:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Hi Quentin!

I wanted you to know that

I use the laptop commands for object navigation on my laptop, even though it has a Number pad.

I like the laptop commands better, because you can keep your hands right on the alpha-numeric keys. I love just being able to hold down the shift and NVDA keys, and just press the arrow keys to do object nav.

I would not be affected at all.

I just wanted you to know!

David Moore

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, May 9, 2019 5:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Hi Marcio,

 

Do you use laptop layout or desktop layout currently?  Laptop layout already redefines all the object navigation keys to use other keys on the keyboard (the original idea was that laptop layout would provide full functionality on a keyboard without a number pad).  Currently what actually happens is that with NVDA in laptop keyboard layout, you have access to BOTH the laptop layout object navigation, AND the desktop (number pad) object navigation.

 

Our proposal is to set the number pad object navigation commands to work ONLY in Desktop layout (which is what most people expect anyway).

 

Would that break how you currently use NVDA?  Since you said your number pad isn't working, it sounds like it shouldn't make a difference, but maybe I didn't explain it well to begin with.

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:37 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

For a laptop with a numpad just set the layout to desktop and you’re done.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

 

Quentin,
I do have a laptop which was supposed to have a numpad. Nowadays, it's not working.
So, with this new proposal, would I lose all the functionalities related to object navigation?
If so, I'd imagine that the proposal for a hybrid layout is more desirable, especially for me because this way I don't lose access to all of this.


Cheers,
Marcio

AKA Starboy

 

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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Em 08/05/2019 21:11, Quentin Christensen disse:

Following on from the Key assignments in NVDA thread, I have created an issue on GitHub:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9549 

 

Basically, the desktop layout object navigation and review cursor keys in NVDA are actually set to be active for ALL keyboard layouts.

 

Laptop layout was designed for users without a number pad, but there are users who use Laptop layout but still have a number pad and wish to use this for navigation (Without NVDA running, the number pad, with numlock off, replicates the navigation keys of home, end, page up, page down, insert, delete and the arrow keys and some laptops have a number pad but no separate navigation keys).

 

My proposal then is to set the desktop object navigation / review cursor keys to be active in desktop layout only.

 

If there is anyone who uses laptop layout but still wants to access the desktop layout object navigation keys, please let us know!

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 


 

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