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Re: OE Classic and hearing the folders list

Diane
 

I had bought OE classic a while ago and it doesn't really work with Jaws.  I wrote to them and they re-funder my money.  They said they were trying to improve it for speech.

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Samco
Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2019 2:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] OE Classic and hearing the folders list

I do not use OE Clasic but a friend had a question. He uses OE Classic with NVDA. He said that when in the list of different folders he cannot here folder names when arrowing up and down the list. Is there a setting or work around for this?
Thanks,
Jeff


Re: AUDIO DUCKING ISSUES

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

I had a similar issue several years ago when I upgraded from Windows 7 to 10. I finally called the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk, and the agent to whom I spoke installed a new sound driver for me. You might give that a try. Good luck. 
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Re: Copying an Entire Column of Data from a Table Inserted Into a Web Page?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

Tried several things to highlight/copy column information found in a web page table with no luck.


"copytables. ?" I'll take a look at that Chrome plug-in. Thanks.

On 5/10/2019 11:10 PM, Luke Davis wrote:
On Fri, 10 May 2019, Kenny wrote:

Say I land on a column that has 25 rows of information I want to copy to the clipboard. Is there a keyboard shortcut to tell NVDA to highlight and entire column or row? Then I could simply hit [Ctrl+c] to copy the highlighted data to the clipboard.
No.  This is more a windows thing than an NVDA thing.  You may be able to highlight the whole table, by selecting from the top to the bottom, but I don't know that will work in all situations, especially if the table is unusual (A CSS table, for example).

You can select each individual cell, and copy that to the clipboard; but that will be very tedius.

The only NVDAish thing I can think of, is using the speech viewer--Navigate the column you want to copy, then copy and paste out of the speech viewer.  That will be messy, but it will work.

Other solutions depend on your browser.  If you are using Chrome, there are several plugins for this, including copytables.

If you are using Firefox, you are supposed to be able to hold down control and select each cell in a row or column that you want, then copy with control-c. Unfortunately, this doesn't work with NVDA, because NVDA is using control to let you navigate those cells.  I suppose you could do it by playing with focus and simulating mouse movements, etc., but that seems like rather a lot of work.

Basically, we would need an addon to do this well in NVDA, and even then it might be browser specific.

Also other then the above shortcut keys for navigating a Table by column or row, are there any others? Ones for navigating/manipulating table data inserted in a web page that is?
Look at the Easy Table Navigator addon.  It provides "alternative" commands to the defaults, involving fewer keys.  Who knows, you may even be able to get the firefox thing to work using that.

Luke



Any Updates was Re: [nvda] Accessible music notation software

The Harmonic Rainbow
 

Hello,
I just joined after I did a Google search for Lime Aloud and NVDA. I don't know how old this post was, or what.
Also, I learned that Sharp Eye is being replaced with Neuratron's PhotoScore and NotateMe Ultimate, which incorporates the engine so you can scan multi-page PDFs.
I don't know if it's possible to translate the JAWS scripts for Lime Aloud into a Python-compatible version, the way it was done for BME2. It would be interesting to see, though.
I heard of one programme via a friend who uses these stuff called Music XML Reader, but I don't know how that works.
Also, while this part may be slightly off-topic, do any of you know how to find transcribers who use semi-automated transcriptions? Many transcribers who've i worked with use Duxbury and Braille2000 to manually transcribe, which is fine but is generally a lot more time-consuming and leaves plenty of margin for errors and mistakes. If they used these OCR programmes, they could simply correct the scannos in the file, export it to Music XML, and import it into a music Braille-rendering programme like Goodfeel.
Anyhow, I currently have BME2 installed, but I stopped using it before because I didn't know about this add-on. I would like to change the wording.. For instance, JAWS reported the notes as A quarter instead of A crochett. Sadly, I couldn't find a way to change it by looking at the raw data in the add-on itself. Is it because it's coming from the programme itself?
Thanks!
-Heavenly Harmony, KJ7ERC


image describer addon and images in webpages

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi all.

I just installed the image describer addon.

After I went to facebook. When there are fotos, facebook provides na automatic description. I want to compare the description offered by facebook with the description offered by the image describer addon.

But it is not working.

I guess the navigator object should be in the photo to get this. And I guess it is in the photo when I hear the facebook’s description.

Is it correct?

Is it possible to use this addon to describe images in webpages?

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA remote

Antony Stone
 

This is exactly what I am saying could be done better, if the local copy of
NVDA *did* interpret the keystrokes (because it knows the remote copy is going
to do that anyway, so one or other of them has to do it) and then send the
commands which those keystrokes mean to the remote copy of NVDA.

This would avoid the confusion around "do both versions have the same keyboard
layout?" etc., and simply means that the local copy sends special command
codes to the remote copy, which then executes them as though they had come
from interpreting the keystrokes instead.

Pressing F11 on your own machine then switches NVDA from "interpreting your
keystrokes and acting on them" to "interpreting your keystrokes and sending a
command code to the other end".

NVDA Remote in slave mode receives NVDA command codes and acts on them, as
well as keystrokes (for applications etc.) and just passes them through to the
current active application.


Antony.

On Friday 10 May 2019 at 14:58:01, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi
NVDA isn't interpreting the keystrokes, It's just behaving as normal in
that it takes input from the keyboard and either sees it as an NVDA
command, app input or operating system related. NVDA is just acting as a
conduit, passing the keystrokes as if they had been typed locally, then
passing back text strings output for voicing on the controllers machine.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone Sent: 10 May 2019 11:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

It strikes me that it would be better for NVDA Remote to send not the
keystrokes themselves, which then need to be interpreted by the remote
machine, and rely on it having the same NVDA keyboard layout setting, but
instead to send the NVDA commands which result from those keystrokes, so
that the person on the controlling computer types some key combination on
their keyboard, and the command which this combination means to then gets
sent to the controlled computer, without caring what keyboard language or
layout it has.

Antony.

On Friday 10 May 2019 at 11:01:42, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi

I don’t know what what the @Luke etc references are because I’m a
dinosaur and have no interest in Twitter or Facebook but I’m confused by
the references to keypads. To use NVDA remote, both parties should have
NVDA configured to use the same keyboard layout and language,
irrespective of the physical computers. Think about it, the controlling
is sending keystrokes to the controlled computer, so it has to cbe
configured to understand those keystrokes.

To check what NVDA version is being used, press NVDA+f1 to open the log
file, move to the top of the log file and use the down arrow to scroll a
few lines down and there is a message stating the version of NVDA being
used.

Cheers

Chris

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ján
Kulik Sent: 10 May 2019 09:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA remote

hi,

@Luke: He has the latest version of this add-on installed, so I didn't
require it from him. He does not know much about these things, so I say
that his teacher has set it up for him.

@Kevin: So in the hint it is possible that we both have a keypad, that
is, a deskstop or a laptop.
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Re: OE Classic and hearing the folders list

Stephen
 

Unfortunately, when I asked the maker of OEClassic about this, I was met with a very terse reply saying it is planned, but not yet implemented, come to think of it, I find his tone of typing rather. confrontational.

At 04:01 PM 5/11/2019, you wrote:
I do not use OE Clasic but a friend had a question. He uses OE Classic with NVDA. He said that when in the list of different folders he cannot here folder names when arrowing up and down the list. Is there a setting or work around for this?
Thanks,
Jeff


OE Classic and hearing the folders list

Jeff Samco
 

I do not use OE Clasic but a friend had a question. He uses OE Classic with NVDA. He said that when in the list of different folders he cannot here folder names when arrowing up and down the list. Is there a setting or work around for this?
Thanks,
Jeff


Screen Review

Ed Marquette
 

All:

I’ve tried Object Review, Document Review, and Screen Review in an attempt to find the status indicator in Cisco’s Jabber soft phone application.
Jabber used to be totally inaccessible, but then Cisco engaged a script writer to create JAWS scripts. Later, an NVDA add-in was created. Both would announce availability of a person to be called.
For instance, as one scrolled down to a name in a directory, Jabber would say “In a Meeting,” “Away,” “Available,” and so on.
The most recent release of Jabber was an attempt to make the product more accessible. Now, JAWS scripts and NVDA add-ins are supposed to be unnecessary.
In fact, virtually all functions work with naked JAWS and NVDA. JAWS announces “status,” but NVDA, unfortunately, does not.
Moreover, I cannot find the status statement on the screen. As I said, I’ve tried all three review modes. I run into “top” and “bottom” and “no more objects” without finding the status indication that I know is on the screen?
How do I get outside the box that apparently restricts the review cursor?
I have to be missing something.


Re: AUDIO DUCKING ISSUES

Luke Davis
 

Do you have these problems if you use headphones or external speakers?

Luke

On Fri, 10 May 2019, heaven.lists92@gmail.com wrote:

I have an Asus laptop with the newest NVDA, the newist Windows and Office 365.
1. Whenever the laptop makes a Windows sound or any other sound, NVDA becomes a lot softer.
2. Sometimes NVDA moves to the right speaker of its own accord and I don’t hear it from the left speaker at all.
3. I have to set NVDA on 10% or 20% otherwise it is too loud.  The umps between volumes are so large.


Re: AUDIO DUCKING ISSUES

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

Did you turn off all sound enhancements? This does not sound like a ducking issue to me at all.


AUDIO DUCKING ISSUES

heaven.lists92@...
 

Dear list

 

I have an Asus laptop with the newest NVDA, the newist Windows and Office 365.

 

Since I sent my laptop in for repairs I have been experiencing the following strange issues with NVDA:

 

  1. Whenever the laptop makes a Windows sound or any other sound, NVDA becomes a lot softer.
  2. Sometimes NVDA moves to the right speaker of its own accord and I don’t hear it from the left speaker at all.
  3. I have to set NVDA on 10% or 20% otherwise it is too loud.  The umps between volumes are so large.

I have tried everything I can think of to fix these issues, but I can’t get it right.

 

Please help!

 

Kind regards

 

Heaven


help with automatic language switching

Ibrahim Abedrabbo
 

Hello folks,

I used to be a member of the NVDA emailing list few years ago, but I signed out due to the heavy traffic.  Now I am signing up again to seek some assistance in figuring out the automatic language switching on a braille display.

I am currently using the latest version of NVDA and I use the Braille sense Plus as my Braille  Display.  I am also using the latest version of Vocalizer Expressive to have access to multi-lingual support.  On my PC I have the English, Arabic, and Hebrew voices.  The automatic language switching among the three voices is fine.  However, I realized that I can only see English on my Braille display, and when I encounter an Arabic or Hebrew word or phrase it displays gibberish on my Braille Sense. 

Is there a way of setting my NVDA Braille settings so that it would switch among the three languages automatically?  I know that I can switch among the Braille tables manually, but at times I have more than one language in the same document or even the same sentence.  Is this an NVDA issue or a vocalizer issue?  Is this the right forum to figure out if there is a solution to this problem?

 

I truly appreciate your help in this matter.

 

Ibrahim Ali


Re: Copying an Entire Column of Data from a Table Inserted Into a Web Page?

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 10 May 2019, Kenny wrote:

Say I land on a column that has 25 rows of information I want to copy to the clipboard. Is there a keyboard shortcut to tell NVDA to highlight and entire column or row? Then I could simply hit [Ctrl+c] to copy the highlighted data to the clipboard.
No. This is more a windows thing than an NVDA thing. You may be able to highlight the whole table, by selecting from the top to the bottom, but I don't know that will work in all situations, especially if the table is unusual (A CSS table, for example).

You can select each individual cell, and copy that to the clipboard; but that will be very tedius.

The only NVDAish thing I can think of, is using the speech viewer--Navigate the column you want to copy, then copy and paste out of the speech viewer. That will be messy, but it will work.

Other solutions depend on your browser. If you are using Chrome, there are several plugins for this, including copytables.

If you are using Firefox, you are supposed to be able to hold down control and select each cell in a row or column that you want, then copy with control-c. Unfortunately, this doesn't work with NVDA, because NVDA is using control to let you navigate those cells. I suppose you could do it by playing with focus and simulating mouse movements, etc., but that seems like rather a lot of work.

Basically, we would need an addon to do this well in NVDA, and even then it might be browser specific.

Also other then the above shortcut keys for navigating a Table by column or row, are there any others? Ones for navigating/manipulating table data inserted in a web page that is?
Look at the Easy Table Navigator addon. It provides "alternative" commands to the defaults, involving fewer keys. Who knows, you may even be able to get the firefox thing to work using that.

Luke


Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

The best solution, for me, is to create a third keyboard layout, called hybrid, with the NUMPAD shortcuts assigned to review cursor and object navigation gestures. Then, the default could be laptop layout, which would remove all those duplicated shortcuts.

I'd use the hybrid solution, in my case, and I know that others would too.


Copying an Entire Column of Data from a Table Inserted Into a Web Page?

Kenny <kwashingtonbox@...>
 

I'm not sure if NVDA 2019.1.1 has such an option available, but thought  I pose my question to the list anyway.


I'm able to navigate the rows and columns of a Table inserted in a web page pretty easily ([Ctrl+Alt] + [Up/Down/Left/Right Arrow Key]) combination.


Say I land on a column that has 25 rows of information I want to copy to the clipboard. Is there a keyboard shortcut to tell NVDA to highlight and entire column or row? Then I could simply hit [Ctrl+c] to copy the highlighted data to the clipboard.


Also other then the above shortcut keys for navigating a Table by column or row, are there any others? Ones for navigating/manipulating table data inserted in a web page that is?


I'm using the latest build of NVDA 2019.1.1 with Windows 10 1903. Google Chrome is my browser of choice. Thanks.


Re: NVDA remote

Kevin Cussick
 

Try and use the same version laptop or desktop and see if it works.

On 10/05/2019 09:26, Ján Kulik wrote:
hi,
@Luke: He has the latest version of this add-on installed, so I didn't require it from him. He does not know much about these things, so I say that his teacher has set it up for him.
@Kevin: So in the hint it is possible that we both have a keypad, that is, a deskstop or a laptop.


Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also learned laptop mode on all desktops even with jaws, and my teachers hated it. Lol! But it was so so much easier for my poor hands.

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On 10 May 2019, at 14:13, Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io wrote:

I agree I use laptop even on the desktop machine, this is because I only want to learn one keyboard layout.

On 09/05/2019 23:35, David Moore wrote:

Hi Quentin!

I wanted you to know that

I use the laptop commands for object navigation on my laptop, even though it has a Number pad.

I like the laptop commands better, because you can keep your hands right on the alpha-numeric keys. I love just being able to hold down the shift and NVDA keys, and just press the arrow keys to do object nav.

I would not be affected at all.

I just wanted you to know!

David Moore

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*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only

Hi Marcio,

Do you use laptop layout or desktop layout currently?  Laptop layout already redefines all the object navigation keys to use other keys on the keyboard (the original idea was that laptop layout would provide full functionality on a keyboard without a number pad).  Currently what actually happens is that with NVDA in laptop keyboard layout, you have access to BOTH the laptop layout object navigation, AND the desktop (number pad) object navigation.

Our proposal is to set the number pad object navigation commands to work ONLY in Desktop layout (which is what most people expect anyway).

Would that break how you currently use NVDA?  Since you said your number pad isn't working, it sounds like it shouldn't make a difference, but maybe I didn't explain it well to begin with.

Quentin.

On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:37 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@... <mailto:ralf.kefferpuetz@...>> wrote:

For a laptop with a numpad just set the layout to desktop and you’re
done.

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*marcio via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 11:26
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object
navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Quentin,
I do have a laptop which was supposed to have a numpad. Nowadays,
it's not working.
So, with this new proposal, would I lose all the functionalities
related to object navigation?
If so, I'd imagine that the proposal for a hybrid layout is more
desirable, especially for me because this way I don't lose access to
all of this.


Cheers,
Marcio <https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>

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Em 08/05/2019 21:11, Quentin Christensen disse:

Following on from the Key assignments in NVDA thread, I have
created an issue on GitHub:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9549

Basically, the desktop layout object navigation and review
cursor keys in NVDA are actually set to be active for ALL
keyboard layouts.

Laptop layout was designed for users without a number pad, but
there are users who use Laptop layout but still have a number
pad and wish to use this for navigation (Without NVDA running,
the number pad, with numlock off, replicates the navigation keys
of home, end, page up, page down, insert, delete and the arrow
keys and some laptops have a number pad but no separate
navigation keys).

My proposal then is to set the desktop object navigation /
review cursor keys to be active in desktop layout only.

If there is anyone who uses laptop layout but still wants to
access the desktop layout object navigation keys, please let us
know!

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only

Kevin Cussick
 

I agree I use laptop even on the desktop machine, this is because I only want to learn one keyboard layout.

On 09/05/2019 23:35, David Moore wrote:
Hi Quentin!
I wanted you to know that
I use the laptop commands for object navigation on my laptop, even though it has a Number pad.
I like the laptop commands better, because you can keep your hands right on the alpha-numeric keys. I love just being able to hold down the shift and NVDA keys, and just press the arrow keys to do object nav.
I would not be affected at all.
I just wanted you to know!
David Moore
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*To: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject: *Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object navigationkeys to be active in desktop layout only
Hi Marcio,
Do you use laptop layout or desktop layout currently?  Laptop layout already redefines all the object navigation keys to use other keys on the keyboard (the original idea was that laptop layout would provide full functionality on a keyboard without a number pad).  Currently what actually happens is that with NVDA in laptop keyboard layout, you have access to BOTH the laptop layout object navigation, AND the desktop (number pad) object navigation.
Our proposal is to set the number pad object navigation commands to work ONLY in Desktop layout (which is what most people expect anyway).
Would that break how you currently use NVDA?  Since you said your number pad isn't working, it sounds like it shouldn't make a difference, but maybe I didn't explain it well to begin with.
Quentin.
On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 8:37 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de <mailto:ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de>> wrote:
For a laptop with a numpad just set the layout to desktop and you’re
done.
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of
*marcio via Groups.Io
*Sent:* Donnerstag, 9. Mai 2019 11:26
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Proposal to set NVDA's desktop layout object
navigation keys to be active in desktop layout only
Quentin,
I do have a laptop which was supposed to have a numpad. Nowadays,
it's not working.
So, with this new proposal, would I lose all the functionalities
related to object navigation?
If so, I'd imagine that the proposal for a hybrid layout is more
desirable, especially for me because this way I don't lose access to
all of this.
Cheers,
Marcio <https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
AKA /Starboy/
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Em 08/05/2019 21:11, Quentin Christensen disse:
Following on from the Key assignments in NVDA thread, I have
created an issue on GitHub:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9549
Basically, the desktop layout object navigation and review
cursor keys in NVDA are actually set to be active for ALL
keyboard layouts.
Laptop layout was designed for users without a number pad, but
there are users who use Laptop layout but still have a number
pad and wish to use this for navigation (Without NVDA running,
the number pad, with numlock off, replicates the navigation keys
of home, end, page up, page down, insert, delete and the arrow
keys and some laptops have a number pad but no separate
navigation keys).
My proposal then is to set the desktop object navigation /
review cursor keys to be active in desktop layout only.
If there is anyone who uses laptop layout but still wants to
access the desktop layout object navigation keys, please let us
know!
Kind regards
Quentin.
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Training and Support Manager
Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification
now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
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Re: Say all command

Gene
 

That is if you are using the laptop layout.  If you are using the desktop layout, it is NVDA key down arrow.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2019 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say all command

Hello, the say all shortcut is NVDA key and the letter a.

Claire Potter
Potter's place, where technology comes to life!
www.pottersplace.me.uk
NVDA Certified Expert 2019. 


On 10 May 2019, at 14:40, farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:

What is nvda shortcut for say all command? Insert + b doesn't work. It opens browse mode settings.