Hello,

Unfortunately that's my perceptions so far as well. I would have hoped
that prominent businesses would not be doing this as it alienates
customers but there you go.

Dave.


On 7/8/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:

It really needs more info, as I'm sure these sites vary a lot. I have in the

past heard that some of these sights are using flash a lot and pictures with

no tagging etc, instead of words and proper native html fields.
I'd have hoped by now, this was a couple of years ago, they might have made

their sites accessible though. Not into this myself I have to say. Awash
just asked by a friend to have a poke about and it was utter rubbish for the

blind.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and pizza sites

Hello,

My apologies if this is a repeat message. I sent t his to another list
and didn't get very much.

Is anyone using NVDA with online food ordering sites? In particular
online pizza ordering sites, dominos.com and pizzahut.com? I'm
particularly wanting to do custom ordering, but this really doesn't
work.

Thanks.
Dave.

When you’re in the message list, shift tab once.  You should hear the name of the folder you’re in and the number of messages it contains.

HTH

Dan

Hello,

I just joined this group.

I am primarily a Window-Eyes user.

I’d like to learn to use NVDA more efficiently.

Is there a way to have NVDA speak the number of unread messages in a given folder?  Maybe an addon?

I’ve not found anything yet.

Thanks,

Richard

Hello,

I just joined this group.

I am primarily a Window-Eyes user.

I’d like to learn to use NVDA more efficiently.

Is there a way to have NVDA speak the number of unread messages in a given folder?  Maybe an addon?

I’ve not found anything yet.

Thanks,

Richard

So far, Win 10 works just the same as Win 7. That is, it saved
everything--all my programs and all my desktop shortcuts so I can just
type in a letter or two and start anything I want. The only big thing
I've noticed is that pull down menus don't work at all for some reason.
If I hit alt and down arrow, I get nonsense and don't know what it means
or wants. However, if I just hit the application key, then I get the old
style file menu with all the good old choices and I can do anything I
want just as I always did. Just one small thing to learn to keep using
it. It has never crashed, nor caused anything else to crash so far, and
seems as stable as Win 7 ever did. I would feel very mad if I had to
pay for this, but because it's a free upgrade, I have no objections to
it at all.

Roger







On 7/8/2016 6:50 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Well I do think then they have failed reguardless.
For those of us still on 7 there is a reason why.
Lets see.
1. the start menu.
For those on 7 its ok, in fact its better than ok.
In 10 we will have to either get used to the other one or fix it so it
works.
2. explorer.
In 7 its ok.now its ribboned and buttoned and makes no sence and I
don't know how to do a lot of things in it.
3. universal apps, who uses them more importantly why would you they
suck anyway.
4, mobile windows, same as 3.
5. edge, ie has issues, edge sucks to be honest we are happy with
firefox or chrome at least I am.
6. mail, it did suck but to be honest I have been using thunderbird
for so long I don't care.
7, the store, groove music, etc, don't need it what is wrong with what
I am using.
8. ms account, nice if you have chained devices but most of us don't
we don't even use onedrive.
8. stability, win7 is stable and doesn't care what hardware you have
for now at least.
9, windows10 sucks.
You know as users that said f**ck you win8x that ms would have
listened to us.
I feel as one of those users while they have listened partly its only
in part.
Win10 is still win8x with extra junk we don't need.
I'll use it eventually but hmmm.
With uia and its inconsistancies etc, I am left hanging wandering what
I am missing.
Win7 is the most stable windows.
And while I will use it win10 has been anything but stable.
I just want the hype to calm down so we can start on win11.
Now they are trying to help.
What about all the hastles with the gwx program, a little to late.
Office is much the same, office 2003 was fine, 2007 was ok, 2010 was
well fine but now its hmmm I don't know.
As a user that has stood back till I will eventually have to I do feel
ms has let us down by not fully listening to its userbase once again.
What I want is a simple win7 style explorer, menu, etc, with the local
account system we have always had using the old but stable programs we
always have done for our desktop computers.
With the ability to switch modes to others as we need or wish to start
and stop programs, etc.
Now I am not saying they didn't try, but its not enough as far as I care.
And they are including us more as users, they could still do a load
better.
I will stay with win7 till it dies or till my computer dies or till I
get a system with 10 on it which is brand new.
Thing is there are probably enough units round I won't ever need to do
that.
I am not a businessman.
I don't need complex stuff and a simple interface like win7 has been
has helped a lot.
Heck xp would be fine though I do like the 7 interface now.
I can get by on 10 I guess I want all my sounds back and the freedom
to do as I have always done.
If I could load my os kernal and run whatever desktop I wanted on it I
would, but still run my windows programs I would.
I have spent a bit to much to drop to linux though.



On 9/07/2016 2:55 a.m., Gene wrote:

Microsoft all but admitted that it failed the disabled community. It
said that if you are disabled, you can switch after the deadline.
I don't know how they determine that you are disabled. You might
want to ask. From: David Russell

If it were me, I wouldn't swittch.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
\Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Win7 To Win10?


Hello Group members,

I have held off on switching from Win7 to Win10 until now, and note
that in North America, switching is free until July 29.

I believe for vision-impaired NVDA users, myself included, resources
like the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk will help one switch.

I use NVDA, FireFox, MS Word, Jarte, and Google as primary programs
and often listen to online radio through tunein.com.

Have bugs been sufficiently resolved to make switching a viable option?

Has anyone seen how long Microsoft intends to provide support for Win7
beyond July 2016?

I bought my computer last September, and hope to retain it for at
least 3 more years. Thanks for input.
Cheers,

Hi,

I have taken on a new project in which I have to be able to read several PowerPoint presentations. Are there any guides for using PowerPoint with NVDA? Can anyone give me any pointers from their own experience?

----- Original Message -----

From: Joseph Lee

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] All is clear except for next users: IMPORTANT: snapshots not being built from July 7th onwards, tempoary snapshot builds available for now

Hi everyone,

 

All clear except for next branch users: if you are using next branch, please download the latest snapshot (13399) from the following page:

http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

 

Also, if you are using next build 13392, please install the latest snapshot directly instead of taking the update check route, as update check fails due to wxpython assertions being enabled.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 11:46 AM
To: 'NVDA screen reader development' <nvda-devel@...>
Subject: IMPORTANT: snapshots not being built from July 7th onwards, tempoary snapshot builds available for now

 

Dear members of the NVDA community:

 

If you are using master (live beta) or next (alpha) snapshots, the following is for you (users of NVDA 2016.2.1 are not affected):

 

Since July 8^{th, NVDA snapshots are not being built for some reason. This means if you check for updates, the latest snapshots you’ll get will be July 6th and 7th for next and master, respectively. Thus, I’m hosting code that could have been built in the meantime on NVDA Korea website at:}

http://www.nvda-kr.org/en

 

For consistency, the build number is 13400 for both snapshots. Note that these does not support updates nor works in secure screens, so please use them as portable copies. These snapshots will be gone once automatic update checking returns.

 

Changelog:

 

Master:

·         See What’s New document. In summary, if you are using Insider builds, you can hear NVDA announce search suggestions and browse mode in Edge returns. Color names were simplified.

·         Localization updates as of July 8, 2016.

 

Next:

·         You can test ability to disable/enable add-ons without resorting to restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled (Joseph Lee).

·         Improved support for BC600 series of braille displays from Alva (Davy Kager).

·         Other changes.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

Microsoft all but admitted that it failed the disabled community. It said that if you are disabled, you can switch after the deadline.
I don't know how they determine that you are disabled. You might want to ask. From: David Russell

If it were me, I wouldn't swittch.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
\Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Win7 To Win10?


Hello Group members,

I have held off on switching from Win7 to Win10 until now, and note
that in North America, switching is free until July 29.

I believe for vision-impaired NVDA users, myself included, resources
like the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk will help one switch.

I use NVDA, FireFox, MS Word, Jarte, and Google as primary programs
and often listen to online radio through tunein.com.

Have bugs been sufficiently resolved to make switching a viable option?

Has anyone seen how long Microsoft intends to provide support for Win7
beyond July 2016?

I bought my computer last September, and hope to retain it for at
least 3 more years. Thanks for input.
Cheers,

It really needs more info, as I'm sure these sites vary a lot. I have in the

past heard that some of these sights are using flash a lot and pictures with

no tagging etc, instead of words and proper native html fields.
I'd have hoped by now, this was a couple of years ago, they might have made

their sites accessible though. Not into this myself I have to say. Awash
just asked by a friend to have a poke about and it was utter rubbish for the

blind.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and pizza sites

Hello,

My apologies if this is a repeat message. I sent t his to another list
and didn't get very much.

Is anyone using NVDA with online food ordering sites? In particular
online pizza ordering sites, dominos.com and pizzahut.com? I'm
particularly wanting to do custom ordering, but this really doesn't
work.

Thanks.
Dave.

Well I do think then they have failed reguardless.
For those of us still on 7 there is a reason why.
Lets see.
1. the start menu.
For those on 7 its ok, in fact its better than ok.
In 10 we will have to either get used to the other one or fix it so it works.
2. explorer.
In 7 its ok.now its ribboned and buttoned and makes no sence and I don't know how to do a lot of things in it.
3. universal apps, who uses them more importantly why would you they suck anyway.
4, mobile windows, same as 3.
5. edge, ie has issues, edge sucks to be honest we are happy with firefox or chrome at least I am.
6. mail, it did suck but to be honest I have been using thunderbird for so long I don't care.
7, the store, groove music, etc, don't need it what is wrong with what I am using.
8. ms account, nice if you have chained devices but most of us don't we don't even use onedrive.
8. stability, win7 is stable and doesn't care what hardware you have for now at least.
9, windows10 sucks.
You know as users that said f**ck you win8x that ms would have listened to us.
I feel as one of those users while they have listened partly its only in part.
Win10 is still win8x with extra junk we don't need.
I'll use it eventually but hmmm.
With uia and its inconsistancies etc, I am left hanging wandering what I am missing.
Win7 is the most stable windows.
And while I will use it win10 has been anything but stable.
I just want the hype to calm down so we can start on win11.
Now they are trying to help.
What about all the hastles with the gwx program, a little to late.
Office is much the same, office 2003 was fine, 2007 was ok, 2010 was well fine but now its hmmm I don't know.
As a user that has stood back till I will eventually have to I do feel ms has let us down by not fully listening to its userbase once again.
What I want is a simple win7 style explorer, menu, etc, with the local account system we have always had using the old but stable programs we always have done for our desktop computers.
With the ability to switch modes to others as we need or wish to start and stop programs, etc.
Now I am not saying they didn't try, but its not enough as far as I care.
And they are including us more as users, they could still do a load better.
I will stay with win7 till it dies or till my computer dies or till I get a system with 10 on it which is brand new.
Thing is there are probably enough units round I won't ever need to do that.
I am not a businessman.
I don't need complex stuff and a simple interface like win7 has been has helped a lot.
Heck xp would be fine though I do like the 7 interface now.
I can get by on 10 I guess I want all my sounds back and the freedom to do as I have always done.
If I could load my os kernal and run whatever desktop I wanted on it I would, but still run my windows programs I would.
I have spent a bit to much to drop to linux though.



On 9/07/2016 2:55 a.m., Gene wrote:

Microsoft all but admitted that it failed the disabled community. It said that if you are disabled, you can switch after the deadline.
I don't know how they determine that you are disabled. You might want to ask. From: David Russell

If it were me, I wouldn't swittch.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
\Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Win7 To Win10?


Hello Group members,

I have held off on switching from Win7 to Win10 until now, and note
that in North America, switching is free until July 29.

I believe for vision-impaired NVDA users, myself included, resources
like the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk will help one switch.

I use NVDA, FireFox, MS Word, Jarte, and Google as primary programs
and often listen to online radio through tunein.com.

Have bugs been sufficiently resolved to make switching a viable option?

Has anyone seen how long Microsoft intends to provide support for Win7
beyond July 2016?

I bought my computer last September, and hope to retain it for at
least 3 more years. Thanks for input.
Cheers,

Hi David and all,
I upgraded to win10 in August, and it wint great on both of my
computers. They both had 8.1 on them, though. I have heard that there
are more chances of drivers being out of date when upgrading from win 7,
but many people have done it with JAWS and NVDA. You only need to use
Narrator after win10 has installed to get through the last couple of
screens, and then JAWS or NVDA comes right back on talking. I would go
for it, because I really like how you can customize your computer a lot
more the way you like it with win10, and it is faster and more secure.
There are tutorials that go over what settings to turn off in win10, so
your information will not be sent out at all and you can use Cortana,
One drive, and more. Take care, and have a great one.
David Moore

-----Original Message----- From: David Russell
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 9:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Win7 To Win10?

Hello Group members,

I have held off on switching from Win7 to Win10 until now, and note
that in North America, switching is free until July 29.

I believe for vision-impaired NVDA users, myself included, resources
like the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk will help one switch.

I use NVDA, FireFox, MS Word, Jarte, and Google as primary programs
and often listen to online radio through tunein.com.

Have bugs been sufficiently resolved to make switching a viable option?

Has anyone seen how long Microsoft intends to provide support for Win7
beyond July 2016?

I bought my computer last September, and hope to retain it for at
least 3 more years. Thanks for input.
Cheers,

Hello Group members,

I have held off on switching from Win7 to Win10 until now, and note
that in North America, switching is free until July 29.

I believe for vision-impaired NVDA users, myself included, resources
like the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk will help one switch.

I use NVDA, FireFox, MS Word, Jarte, and Google as primary programs
and often listen to online radio through tunein.com.

Have bugs been sufficiently resolved to make switching a viable option?

Has anyone seen how long Microsoft intends to provide support for Win7
beyond July 2016?

I bought my computer last September, and hope to retain it for at
least 3 more years. Thanks for input.
Cheers,