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Re: Reviewing the screen with the mouse keys

Kevin Chao
 

PLease have look at flat review and object navigation in NVDA user guide :)
Third option is speak text under mouse pointer, where you can move mouse around to explore screen content.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:54 AM Richard Turner <richardturner42@...> wrote:

I can’t figure out how to review the screen using the mouse cursor with the numpad keys.  Is that possible with NVDA?

 

Richard

 


Re: Indicating Python indentation in Braille

 

Hi,
Each indentation is shown as blank cell.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
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Boyer
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Indicating Python indentation in Braille

Is there a way to display a single-cell dot pattern for each level of
indentation in Python? It must be Braille, not speech, since I am
deaf-blind.

Thanks,
John

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Indicating Python indentation in Braille

John J. Boyer
 

Is there a way to display a single-cell dot pattern for each level of
indentation in Python? It must be Braille, not speech, since I am
deaf-blind.

Thanks,
John

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Reviewing the screen with the mouse keys

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I can’t figure out how to review the screen using the mouse cursor with the numpad keys.  Is that possible with NVDA?

 

Richard

 


Re: NVDA and pizza sites

Danni
 

I complained once to pizza hut and they promptly put a link on their site for visually impaired users to use their mobile site for ordering but last time I tried ordering online which was a while ago it was not user friendly any more sadly!

I did attempt using papajohns.com the other day and it did seem to work pretty well so if that 1 is in your area it's worth trying!

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and pizza sites


Hello,

Unfortunately that's my perceptions so far as well. I would have hoped
that prominent businesses would not be doing this as it alienates
customers but there you go.

Dave.


On 7/8/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
It really needs more info, as I'm sure these sites vary a lot. I have in the

past heard that some of these sights are using flash a lot and pictures with

no tagging etc, instead of words and proper native html fields.
I'd have hoped by now, this was a couple of years ago, they might have made

their sites accessible though. Not into this myself I have to say. Awash
just asked by a friend to have a poke about and it was utter rubbish for the

blind.
Brian

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From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and pizza sites


Hello,

My apologies if this is a repeat message. I sent t his to another list
and didn't get very much.

Is anyone using NVDA with online food ordering sites? In particular
online pizza ordering sites, dominos.com and pizzahut.com? I'm
particularly wanting to do custom ordering, but this really doesn't
work.

Thanks.
Dave.






Re: brousers that speak the progress bars when downloading

Danni
 

On i/e once you start a download then click the alt key go to downloads or view downloads it will update the progress almost to the point of annoying lol
 
----- Original Message -----
From: n8mnx@...
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 10:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] brousers that speak the progress bars when downloading

    I am looking for a brouser that nvda will speak the progress bar when I down load I use to use webie but today it no longer works even after I uninstalled and reinstalled it. I really want to hear the progress bar when I download to know if my downloads anre working or not.

Brian Sackrider


On 7/9/2016 1:00 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Hello,

I just joined this group.

I am primarily a Window-Eyes user.

I’d like to learn to use NVDA more efficiently.

Is there a way to have NVDA speak the number of unread messages in a given folder?  Maybe an addon?

I’ve not found anything yet.

Thanks,

Richard





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Re: Outlook 2016 and NVDA

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Thank you, that does work.

With Window-eyes, when I hit control+y to select a folder, the number of unread messages is read as I arrow down.  This way, you have to go into a folder, shift+tab then arrow down and the unread numbers works, pretty much the same number of keystrokes, just a slightly different approach.

This I can get used to.

Thanks,

Richard

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan Kerstetter
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 10:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and NVDA

 

When you’re in the message list, shift tab once.  You should hear the name of the folder you’re in and the number of messages it contains.

 

HTH

 

Dan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and NVDA

 

Hello,

I just joined this group.

I am primarily a Window-Eyes user.

I’d like to learn to use NVDA more efficiently.

Is there a way to have NVDA speak the number of unread messages in a given folder?  Maybe an addon?

 

I’ve not found anything yet.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 


Re: Outlook 2016 and NVDA

Dan Kerstetter
 

When you’re in the message list, shift tab once.  You should hear the name of the folder you’re in and the number of messages it contains.

 

HTH

 

Dan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 1:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 and NVDA

 

Hello,

I just joined this group.

I am primarily a Window-Eyes user.

I’d like to learn to use NVDA more efficiently.

Is there a way to have NVDA speak the number of unread messages in a given folder?  Maybe an addon?

 

I’ve not found anything yet.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 


regarding MS access

Ravi Paswan <ravipaswan32@...>
 

hello team member I have suffering a strange problem
to using NVDA.
because I am doing the MS access 20007 with NVDA but it is not
supported there some feeture suppose when I am select the data type
of any colum to press alt+ down arrow to choose the data type.
but there is NVDA is not supported and also hang my PC then I have
receive a error message [the MS access is not responding].


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brousers that speak the progress bars when downloading

n8mnx@att.net
 

    I am looking for a brouser that nvda will speak the progress bar when I down load I use to use webie but today it no longer works even after I uninstalled and reinstalled it. I really want to hear the progress bar when I download to know if my downloads anre working or not.

Brian Sackrider


On 7/9/2016 1:00 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Hello,

I just joined this group.

I am primarily a Window-Eyes user.

I’d like to learn to use NVDA more efficiently.

Is there a way to have NVDA speak the number of unread messages in a given folder?  Maybe an addon?

 

I’ve not found anything yet.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 





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Outlook 2016 and NVDA

Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Hello,

I just joined this group.

I am primarily a Window-Eyes user.

I’d like to learn to use NVDA more efficiently.

Is there a way to have NVDA speak the number of unread messages in a given folder?  Maybe an addon?

 

I’ve not found anything yet.

 

Thanks,

Richard

 


Re: Switching from Win7 To Win10?

Kevin Cussick
 

win10 is very stable I think it is the best OS yet to date. I have put it on 10 machines and love it.

On 09/07/2016 04:12, Roger Stewart wrote:
So far, Win 10 works just the same as Win 7. That is, it saved
everything--all my programs and all my desktop shortcuts so I can just
type in a letter or two and start anything I want. The only big thing
I've noticed is that pull down menus don't work at all for some reason.
If I hit alt and down arrow, I get nonsense and don't know what it means
or wants. However, if I just hit the application key, then I get the old
style file menu with all the good old choices and I can do anything I
want just as I always did. Just one small thing to learn to keep using
it. It has never crashed, nor caused anything else to crash so far, and
seems as stable as Win 7 ever did. I would feel very mad if I had to
pay for this, but because it's a free upgrade, I have no objections to
it at all.

Roger







On 7/8/2016 6:50 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Well I do think then they have failed reguardless.
For those of us still on 7 there is a reason why.
Lets see.
1. the start menu.
For those on 7 its ok, in fact its better than ok.
In 10 we will have to either get used to the other one or fix it so it
works.
2. explorer.
In 7 its ok.now its ribboned and buttoned and makes no sence and I
don't know how to do a lot of things in it.
3. universal apps, who uses them more importantly why would you they
suck anyway.
4, mobile windows, same as 3.
5. edge, ie has issues, edge sucks to be honest we are happy with
firefox or chrome at least I am.
6. mail, it did suck but to be honest I have been using thunderbird
for so long I don't care.
7, the store, groove music, etc, don't need it what is wrong with what
I am using.
8. ms account, nice if you have chained devices but most of us don't
we don't even use onedrive.
8. stability, win7 is stable and doesn't care what hardware you have
for now at least.
9, windows10 sucks.
You know as users that said f**ck you win8x that ms would have
listened to us.
I feel as one of those users while they have listened partly its only
in part.
Win10 is still win8x with extra junk we don't need.
I'll use it eventually but hmmm.
With uia and its inconsistancies etc, I am left hanging wandering what
I am missing.
Win7 is the most stable windows.
And while I will use it win10 has been anything but stable.
I just want the hype to calm down so we can start on win11.
Now they are trying to help.
What about all the hastles with the gwx program, a little to late.
Office is much the same, office 2003 was fine, 2007 was ok, 2010 was
well fine but now its hmmm I don't know.
As a user that has stood back till I will eventually have to I do feel
ms has let us down by not fully listening to its userbase once again.
What I want is a simple win7 style explorer, menu, etc, with the local
account system we have always had using the old but stable programs we
always have done for our desktop computers.
With the ability to switch modes to others as we need or wish to start
and stop programs, etc.
Now I am not saying they didn't try, but its not enough as far as I care.
And they are including us more as users, they could still do a load
better.
I will stay with win7 till it dies or till my computer dies or till I
get a system with 10 on it which is brand new.
Thing is there are probably enough units round I won't ever need to do
that.
I am not a businessman.
I don't need complex stuff and a simple interface like win7 has been
has helped a lot.
Heck xp would be fine though I do like the 7 interface now.
I can get by on 10 I guess I want all my sounds back and the freedom
to do as I have always done.
If I could load my os kernal and run whatever desktop I wanted on it I
would, but still run my windows programs I would.
I have spent a bit to much to drop to linux though.



On 9/07/2016 2:55 a.m., Gene wrote:
Microsoft all but admitted that it failed the disabled community. It
said that if you are disabled, you can switch after the deadline.
I don't know how they determine that you are disabled. You might
want to ask. From: David Russell

If it were me, I wouldn't swittch.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
\Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Win7 To Win10?


Hello Group members,

I have held off on switching from Win7 to Win10 until now, and note
that in North America, switching is free until July 29.

I believe for vision-impaired NVDA users, myself included, resources
like the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk will help one switch.

I use NVDA, FireFox, MS Word, Jarte, and Google as primary programs
and often listen to online radio through tunein.com.

Have bugs been sufficiently resolved to make switching a viable option?

Has anyone seen how long Microsoft intends to provide support for Win7
beyond July 2016?

I bought my computer last September, and hope to retain it for at
least 3 more years. Thanks for input.
Cheers,




Re: NVDA and PowerPoint

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi again,

 

I am using PowerPoint 2010 with NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10 on a desktop PC.

 

All advice welcome, thanks!

 

All the best,

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and PowerPoint

 

Hi,

 

I have taken on a new project in which I have to be able to read several PowerPoint presentations. Are there any guides for using PowerPoint with NVDA? Can anyone give me any pointers from their own experience?

 

 

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NVDA and PowerPoint

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi,

 

I have taken on a new project in which I have to be able to read several PowerPoint presentations. Are there any guides for using PowerPoint with NVDA? Can anyone give me any pointers from their own experience?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Booting Bug

Steve Hoad
 

I am using NVDA with a Toshiba machine that started life with Windows
7. All worked well, even through the upgrade to Windows 10 until
about 2 months ago.

Then, when cold booting the machine, here's what began to happen.
After pushing the power button, a few seconds elapse and I get the
"Windows sign in" message. The Windows boot sound plays but NVDA does
not speak. I must go to my desktop (Windows M) press N and hit enter
so NVDA will begin.

All check boxes are checked propperly. I would be interested in any
fixes for this, it is currently just an inconvenience but who knows
what it will lead to. Thanks,

--
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4 hours until NVDACon Asia begins!

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,
The Asian NVDA conference is taking place only about four hours from
now (1:30 p.m. UTC, 6:30 p.m. PST, 7:00 p.m. IST, 9:30 p.m. Malaysia
Time)!
Here is a brief overview of what you can expect today:
• Session 1 User General Chat Opener Forum
• Session 2 Switching from JAWS to NVDA by Ashik Hirani and Ashish Singla
• Connecting and Contributing to Wider NVDA Communities by Bhavya Shah
and Waqas Ramzan
To join us at NVDACon Asia, please use the options described at
www.blindhelp.tk/nvdaconasia/participate, by using either Teamtalk or
tuning in to the RadioUdaan Internet radio station.
Please reach half an hour or so early if possible, so we can field
test youor audio transmission and help you make any necessary changes
or improvements, if required.
In case you require any technical assistance with Teamtalk, or
configuring and connecting to the NVDACon Asia Teamtalk server, you
can get the same by sending us a Skype contact request at our Id
nvdaconasia, or by contacting bhavya.shah125@... or by replying
here. We would be happy to help you, at the earliest.
Looking forward to meeting many of you at NVDACon Asia!
Best regards,
NVDACon Asia Planning Committee
www.blindhelp.tk/nvdaconasia

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Re: All is clear except for next users: IMPORTANT: snapshots not being built from July 7th onwards, tempoary snapshot builds available for now

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Seems to be OK today, as I just got both   auto updated.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] All is clear except for next users: IMPORTANT: snapshots not being built from July 7th onwards, tempoary snapshot builds available for now

Hi everyone,

 

All clear except for next branch users: if you are using next branch, please download the latest snapshot (13399) from the following page:

http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

 

Also, if you are using next build 13392, please install the latest snapshot directly instead of taking the update check route, as update check fails due to wxpython assertions being enabled.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: Joseph Lee [mailto:joseph.lee22590@...]
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 11:46 AM
To: 'NVDA screen reader development' <nvda-devel@...>
Subject: IMPORTANT: snapshots not being built from July 7th onwards, tempoary snapshot builds available for now

 

Dear members of the NVDA community:

 

If you are using master (live beta) or next (alpha) snapshots, the following is for you (users of NVDA 2016.2.1 are not affected):

 

Since July 8th, NVDA snapshots are not being built for some reason. This means if you check for updates, the latest snapshots you’ll get will be July 6th and 7th for next and master, respectively. Thus, I’m hosting code that could have been built in the meantime on NVDA Korea website at:

http://www.nvda-kr.org/en

 

For consistency, the build number is 13400 for both snapshots. Note that these does not support updates nor works in secure screens, so please use them as portable copies. These snapshots will be gone once automatic update checking returns.

 

Changelog:

 

Master:

·         See What’s New document. In summary, if you are using Insider builds, you can hear NVDA announce search suggestions and browse mode in Edge returns. Color names were simplified.

·         Localization updates as of July 8, 2016.

 

Next:

·         You can test ability to disable/enable add-ons without resorting to restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled (Joseph Lee).

·         Improved support for BC600 series of braille displays from Alva (Davy Kager).

·         Other changes.

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Switching from Win7 To Win10?

Gene
 

Just because something is free doesn't mean that it should be used.  I don't know if your problems with menus are typical or just some odd problem you are having.  If the problem is common, I would never upgrade.  The context menu is not equivalent to the full menus.  The full menus are one of the basic parts of Windows.  Free or not, if this is a common problem, I wouldn't do something that caused access to such a basic part of Windows and Windows programs to be lost. 
 
Gene
----- Originasl Message -----

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Win7 To Win10?

So far, Win 10 works just the same as Win 7. That is, it saved
everything--all my programs and all my desktop shortcuts so I can just
type in a letter or two and start anything I want.  The only big thing
I've noticed is that pull down menus don't work at all for some reason.
If I hit alt and down arrow, I get nonsense and don't know what it means
or wants. However, if I just hit the application key, then I get the old
style file menu with all the good old choices and I can do anything I
want just as I always did.  Just one small thing to learn to keep using
it.  It has never crashed, nor caused anything else to crash so far, and
seems as stable as Win 7 ever did.  I would feel very mad if I had to
pay for this, but because it's a free upgrade, I have no objections to
it at all.

Roger







On 7/8/2016 6:50 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> Well I do think then they have failed reguardless.
> For those of us  still on 7 there is a  reason why.
> Lets see.
> 1.  the start menu.
> For those on 7 its ok, in fact its better than ok.
> In 10 we will have to either get used to the other one or fix it so it
> works.
> 2.   explorer.
> In 7 its ok.now its ribboned and buttoned and makes no sence and I
> don't know how to do a lot of things in it.
> 3.  universal apps, who uses them more importantly why would you they
> suck anyway.
> 4, mobile windows, same as 3.
> 5. edge, ie has issues, edge sucks to be honest we are happy with
> firefox or chrome at least I am.
> 6. mail, it did suck but to be honest I have been using thunderbird
> for so long I don't care.
> 7, the store, groove music, etc, don't need it what is wrong with what
> I am using.
> 8.  ms account, nice if you have chained devices but most of us don't
> we don't even use onedrive.
> 8.  stability, win7 is stable and doesn't care what hardware you have
> for now at least.
> 9, windows10 sucks.
> You know as users that said f**ck you win8x that ms would have
> listened to us.
> I feel as one of those users while they have listened partly its only
> in part.
> Win10 is still win8x with extra junk we don't need.
> I'll use it eventually but hmmm.
> With uia and its inconsistancies etc, I am left hanging wandering what
> I am missing.
> Win7 is the most stable windows.
> And while I will use it win10 has been anything but stable.
> I just want the hype to calm down so we can start on win11.
> Now they are trying to help.
> What about all the hastles with the gwx program, a little to late.
> Office is much the same, office 2003 was fine, 2007 was ok, 2010 was
> well fine but now its hmmm I don't know.
> As a user that has stood back till I will eventually have to I do feel
> ms has let us down by not fully listening to its userbase once again.
> What I want is a simple win7 style explorer, menu, etc, with the local
> account system we have always had using the old but stable programs we
> always have done for our desktop computers.
> With the ability to switch modes to others as we need or wish to start
> and stop programs, etc.
> Now I am not saying they didn't try, but its not enough as far as I care.
> And they are including us more as users, they could still do a load
> better.
> I will stay with win7 till it dies or till my computer dies or till I
> get a system with 10 on it which is brand new.
> Thing is there are probably enough units round I won't ever need to do
> that.
> I am not a businessman.
> I don't need complex stuff and a simple interface like win7 has been
> has helped a lot.
> Heck xp would be fine though I do like the 7 interface now.
> I can get by on 10 I guess I want all my sounds back and the freedom
> to do as I have always done.
> If I could load my os kernal and run whatever desktop I wanted on it I
> would, but still run my windows programs I would.
> I  have spent a bit to much to drop to linux though.
>
>
>
> On 9/07/2016 2:55 a.m., Gene wrote:
>> Microsoft all but admitted that it failed the disabled community.  It
>> said that if you are disabled, you can switch after the deadline.
>> I don't know how they determine that you are disabled.  You might
>> want to ask.  From: David Russell
>>
>> If it were me, I wouldn't swittch.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> \Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 8:23 AM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Switching from Win7 To Win10?
>>
>>
>> Hello Group members,
>>
>> I have held off on switching from Win7 to Win10 until now, and note
>> that in North America, switching is free until July 29.
>>
>> I believe for vision-impaired NVDA users, myself included, resources
>> like the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk will help one switch.
>>
>> I use NVDA, FireFox, MS  Word,  Jarte, and Google as primary programs
>> and often listen to online radio through tunein.com.
>>
>> Have bugs been sufficiently resolved to make switching a viable option?
>>
>> Has anyone seen how long Microsoft intends to provide support for Win7
>> beyond July 2016?
>>
>> I bought my computer last September, and hope to retain it for at
>> least 3 more years. Thanks for input.
>> Cheers,
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: Switching from Win7 To Win10?

Arlene
 

Yes, Just like xp! Win 7 is going to be out dated! Yes there were bugs with 7. It took getting used to. Vista was just like 8 but 7 came in. I never touched vista. But I heard it was like 7. I went to 7 straight from xp. Mind you when ten becomes stable just like 7 it will be tossed into the trash just like 7 and xp!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: July-08-16 4:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Switching from Win7 To Win10?

Well I do think then they have failed reguardless.
For those of us still on 7 there is a reason why.
Lets see.
1. the start menu.
For those on 7 its ok, in fact its better than ok.
In 10 we will have to either get used to the other one or fix it so it
works.
2. explorer.
In 7 its ok.now its ribboned and buttoned and makes no sence and I don't
know how to do a lot of things in it.
3. universal apps, who uses them more importantly why would you they
suck anyway.
4, mobile windows, same as 3.
5. edge, ie has issues, edge sucks to be honest we are happy with
firefox or chrome at least I am.
6. mail, it did suck but to be honest I have been using thunderbird for
so long I don't care.
7, the store, groove music, etc, don't need it what is wrong with what I
am using.
8. ms account, nice if you have chained devices but most of us don't we
don't even use onedrive.
8. stability, win7 is stable and doesn't care what hardware you have
for now at least.
9, windows10 sucks.
You know as users that said f**ck you win8x that ms would have listened
to us.
I feel as one of those users while they have listened partly its only in
part.
Win10 is still win8x with extra junk we don't need.
I'll use it eventually but hmmm.
With uia and its inconsistancies etc, I am left hanging wandering what I
am missing.
Win7 is the most stable windows.
And while I will use it win10 has been anything but stable.
I just want the hype to calm down so we can start on win11.
Now they are trying to help.
What about all the hastles with the gwx program, a little to late.
Office is much the same, office 2003 was fine, 2007 was ok, 2010 was
well fine but now its hmmm I don't know.
As a user that has stood back till I will eventually have to I do feel
ms has let us down by not fully listening to its userbase once again.
What I want is a simple win7 style explorer, menu, etc, with the local
account system we have always had using the old but stable programs we
always have done for our desktop computers.
With the ability to switch modes to others as we need or wish to start
and stop programs, etc.
Now I am not saying they didn't try, but its not enough as far as I care.
And they are including us more as users, they could still do a load better.
I will stay with win7 till it dies or till my computer dies or till I
get a system with 10 on it which is brand new.
Thing is there are probably enough units round I won't ever need to do that.
I am not a businessman.
I don't need complex stuff and a simple interface like win7 has been has
helped a lot.
Heck xp would be fine though I do like the 7 interface now.
I can get by on 10 I guess I want all my sounds back and the freedom to
do as I have always done.
If I could load my os kernal and run whatever desktop I wanted on it I
would, but still run my windows programs I would.
I have spent a bit to much to drop to linux though.



On 9/07/2016 2:55 a.m., Gene wrote:
Microsoft all but admitted that it failed the disabled community. It said that if you are disabled, you can switch after the deadline.
I don't know how they determine that you are disabled. You might want to ask. From: David Russell

If it were me, I wouldn't swittch.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
\Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Switching from Win7 To Win10?


Hello Group members,

I have held off on switching from Win7 to Win10 until now, and note
that in North America, switching is free until July 29.

I believe for vision-impaired NVDA users, myself included, resources
like the Microsoft Disability Answer Desk will help one switch.

I use NVDA, FireFox, MS Word, Jarte, and Google as primary programs
and often listen to online radio through tunein.com.

Have bugs been sufficiently resolved to make switching a viable option?

Has anyone seen how long Microsoft intends to provide support for Win7
beyond July 2016?

I bought my computer last September, and hope to retain it for at
least 3 more years. Thanks for input.
Cheers,


Re: NVDA and pizza sites

David Mehler
 

Hello,

Unfortunately that's my perceptions so far as well. I would have hoped
that prominent businesses would not be doing this as it alienates
customers but there you go.

Dave.

On 7/8/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
It really needs more info, as I'm sure these sites vary a lot. I have in the

past heard that some of these sights are using flash a lot and pictures with

no tagging etc, instead of words and proper native html fields.
I'd have hoped by now, this was a couple of years ago, they might have made

their sites accessible though. Not into this myself I have to say. Awash
just asked by a friend to have a poke about and it was utter rubbish for the

blind.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Mehler" <dave.mehler@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and pizza sites


Hello,

My apologies if this is a repeat message. I sent t his to another list
and didn't get very much.

Is anyone using NVDA with online food ordering sites? In particular
online pizza ordering sites, dominos.com and pizzahut.com? I'm
particularly wanting to do custom ordering, but this really doesn't
work.

Thanks.
Dave.