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Re: Selecting a block of text.

 

hi.
where is caret move cursor in preferences?
how can i know whether its activated for me or not?

On 5/22/19, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi

I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA +
6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if it
is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the clipboard.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: NVDA Official Group
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.



Hi Ali,



Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour of
selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the block,
move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or
NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it. If you use the review cursor
to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work
depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional
text cursor. If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select
text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing NVDA+F10
twice quickly.



It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
there are no add-ons playing up. Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.



Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to me,
I can have a look at exactly what is going on.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.









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Re: NVDA tutorials for MSWord and Track Changes CT

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi David,

If you have a cheat sheet from WebAim on Track Changes, that likely does cover the keystrokes needed.  I'm not familiar with the particular sheet although Web Aim do have a good name, so I'm sure it's likely a good reference.

One consideration with it might be how much explanation it gives for each keystroke or whether it simply lists the keys to press.  One thing with the NV Access material (and full disclosure if it's not already obvious, I wrote the NV Access material), it explains each topic and what the keystrokes do before walking you through a step-by-step activity using them - and in the case of the Office modules, it then also has an extra "bonus activity" with less instruction, you can complete both for extra revision, and also to ensure you do understand the topic before moving on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:13 PM David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...> wrote:
Hello NVDA Folks,

Thanks for suggesting what to do in the realm of tutorials to better
use NVDA with MSWord and Track Changes. I'll address this later in my
day.
Also, thanks Quenton for clarifying which tutorial set to consider.

Question: I have a file card with some basic Track Changes Commands
found in a post thread from WEBAIM, telling one how to turn on and off
track changes,how to read specific track changes, the dialogue for
settings and a couple more. These are Word based keyboard commands
generally speaking. Would it be enough to view a free sample edit from
a proofreading service, or is there a considerable amount of
instruction that goes into learning how to use Track Changes?

I am a novice at tech things, and my questions probably make that
quite obvious.  Nonetheless, thanks for your kind help!

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Re: Selecting a block of text.

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA + 6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if it is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the clipboard.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: NVDA Official Group
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.

 

Hi Ali,

 

Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour of selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the block, move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it.  If you use the review cursor to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional text cursor.  If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing NVDA+F10 twice quickly.

 

It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure there are no add-ons playing up.  Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.

 

Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to me, I can have a look at exactly what is going on.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.



 

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Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

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NVDA tutorials for MSWord and Track Changes CT

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA Folks,

Thanks for suggesting what to do in the realm of tutorials to better
use NVDA with MSWord and Track Changes. I'll address this later in my
day.
Also, thanks Quenton for clarifying which tutorial set to consider.

Question: I have a file card with some basic Track Changes Commands
found in a post thread from WEBAIM, telling one how to turn on and off
track changes,how to read specific track changes, the dialogue for
settings and a couple more. These are Word based keyboard commands
generally speaking. Would it be enough to view a free sample edit from
a proofreading service, or is there a considerable amount of
instruction that goes into learning how to use Track Changes?

I am a novice at tech things, and my questions probably make that
quite obvious. Nonetheless, thanks for your kind help!

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david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Code Factory Eloquence Registration Problem Solved

Ed Marquette
 

As I mentioned in an earlier post, NVDA seemed to think I was still using the trial version of the Code Factory Eloquence (and Vocalizer) add-on.
It may have helped that Code Factory just released Version 1.6, but I downloaded that version (using the original link from the order confirmation email message. I then installed that version by hitting ENTER from File Explorer.
NVDA took me through the registration process, and all is well.
I’m a happy camper. <SMILE>
I hope this procedure helps others who had the same problem.


Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

Ed Marquette
 

I too have had the problem reported with the NVDA Key + F9 and NVDA Key + F10.  When I paste the results, I get one letter.  It doesn’t always happen, but it usually does. 
That just means I have to copy and paste the old-fashioned way, highlighting text using windows or application specific commands.  The problem isn’t in the copying; it is in the selecting of the text.  Of course, using old-fashioned Windows commands, one can highlight simply by holding the shift key and moving the system cursor by word, by line, by paragraph, to the end of the line, to the beginning of the line, or to the beginning or end of the respective documents (with control + home or control + end), and then using control + c or control + x (to cut).
The bigger trick, then, is not to carry the formatting with you in the paste.  Control + v will carry the source document’s formatting with it. 
A little-known trick is to paste into Word or Outlook using, not control + v, but instead, control + alt + v.  That brings up a menu allowing one to retain the formatting, paste as html, or as plain text.  I almost always opt for plain text because I want the pasted text to take on the characteristics of the target document, not the source document.
While on the subject of selecting text, in Microsoft word (all the way back to Word 2003), tapping f8 once turns on selection.  Tapping a second time selects the nearest word.  Tapping a third time highlights the nearest sentence (or the paragraph if there is only one sentence in the paragraph), and finally, a 4th tap will select the paragraph.  One may also use f8 like the NVDA Key + F9.  The f8 turns on the selector.  Just move to the end of the desired selection and press control + c to copy.
So, there are lots of options.  One place where the NVDA + F9 function seems to work is when in one of the review modes, and not using the system cursor.
By the way, while on the topic of copying, in Microsoft Word and Microsoft Outlook, one may copy a paragraph’s formatting (and none of the text) with control + shift + C.  Then paste that formatting with control + shift+ v.



On May 22, 2019, at 12:23 AM, Marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:

Luke,
Thanks. At least we have, for the time being, the option of selecting all the text on a page and editing it. It's definitely better than nothing at all.

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

 

Luke,
Thanks. At least we have, for the time being, the option of selecting all the text on a page and editing it. It's definitely better than nothing at all.

Cheers,
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Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

Luke Davis
 

On Wed, 22 May 2019, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Just one more thing...
I noticed that, pressing CTRL+A sure enough it copies the whole page, yet it gives me exactly the result I'm looking for.
Is there a way of copying just a part of a page with this method?
Not directly. But, though I have never tried it, I believe you should be able to paste the result of the above into a word document, and then select and copy only the part that interests you, then paste that into another location.

This is somewhat related to the copy a column from a table discussion a week or two ago.
The browsers can do this. But NVDA can not allow us to use those features of the browser fully. The best we can get currently is the select all in focus mode method that you have just learned.

What you are looking for, is the feature request posted here.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5354

Many people would find this a useful feature. But evidently it is rather difficult to implement.

Luke


Re: Selecting a block of text.

Ali Colak
 

Thanks Luke, but even with all the addons disabled it doesn't work.
I've sent the log to Quentin and hope there is a solution.

On 5/21/19, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
Hi Ali

You wrote:

I tried restarting without addons and it didn't work. Could you tell
That is probably because you most likely have NVDA exit options turned off.

So, a way to restart without addons without having to change any of your
settings, is to do this:

Press your windows key and the letter r.

In the window that appears, type the following:

nvda -r --disable-addons

Then press enter. Make sure you get the dashes in the right places.

That should restart nvda with all addons disabled temporarily (until you
start
it again).

Hth.

Luke





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Ashley Wayne
 

Hi all,

Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the Braille Edge from HIMS?  I’m considering purchasing one but would just love some personal feedback.  Does it work well specifically for editing documents?  Thanks so much.

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Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

 

when i use this method, unfortunately nvda does not read for me the
content in focus mode.
if we find a solution that we can use cursor navigation and spoken
feedback from nvda in focus mode, certainly we can use our desired
part of page!

On 5/22/19, Marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Just one more thing...
I noticed that, pressing CTRL+A sure enough it copies the whole page,
yet it gives me exactly the result I'm looking for.
Is there a way of copying just a part of a page with this method?

Cheers,
Marcio <https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
AKA /Starboy/


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Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

 

your welcome! i am very glad and appreciate God that i could help someone!
i remember that someone mentioned it in the list before.
not sure, but if i am correct, gene mentioned it previously.

On 5/22/19, Marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Zahra,
Thanks a lot, just what I was looking for!
How you found it out? I never would know it if you hadn't told me!

Cheers,
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Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

 

Just one more thing...
I noticed that, pressing CTRL+A sure enough it copies the whole page, yet it gives me exactly the result I'm looking for.
Is there a way of copying just a part of a page with this method?

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

 

Zahra,
Thanks a lot, just what I was looking for!
How you found it out? I never would know it if you hadn't told me!

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

 

hi.
just press nvda space to turn on focus mode on your desired web page.
then use controlA to select the web page, then press copy and then
peist whenever you want.
hope that help, God bless you!

On 5/22/19, Marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Luke,
It's not quite what I was looking for :)
It gives me exactly what NVDA speaks, but what I'm looking for,
actually, is a way to copy not as plain text.
Did I manage to explain it better now?

Cheers,
Marcio <https://tinyurl.com/TlkTM>
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Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

 

Luke,
It's not quite what I was looking for :)
It gives me exactly what NVDA speaks, but what I'm looking for, actually, is a way to copy not as plain text.
Did I manage to explain it better now?

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locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Hareth
 

Hi Quentin,
I am a proud NVDA user, and it works as good and sometimes better than
any other screenreaders, specially with some apps, websites ETC, And
adding its an open source free software is the best plus overall.
But with all respect, it doesn't have all jaws features.
OCR in jaws is fully featured, it works on files without opening them
and it reads complete file, even if its a multi page. plus it has the
capability to read the paper documents on the scanner without having
to save the scanned files on the computer.
NVDA's built in OCR is at best is a simple one. and most of the time
recognizes a single line, or nothing on my windows10 machine.
BTW, I have jaws installed on my PC as well, And use the OCR a lot.

On 5/22/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Áine,

I would argue that NVDA can do everything our competitors can do, including
OCR (on Windows 10, press NVDA+r then use the regular reading keys),
however, I'll leave it to others to argue the pros and cons.

One thing I would suggest, in order to become most efficient with using
NVDA, you might consider purchasing our training material. Basic Training
with NVDA is the first module I would recommend. Despite the name, it
actually covers everything from reading the time, up through complex tasks
like using the review cursor, object navigation and creating configuration
profiles. We also have modules on using Word, Excel and Outlook with
NVDA. You can purchase these individually, or in our NVDA Productivity
Bundle which also includes telephone support.

All of those are available from the NV Access shop:
https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:03 AM Aine Kelly Costello <ainekc@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi all,

New here and my apologies if this topic has been well-covered before but
I’ve not found an efficient ways to search group archives yet!

I’m switching back to Windows after using a Mac for a couple of years, as
I’ll be studying investigative journalism and am fairly sure I’ll find
any
software we need to use etc. to work better on Windows than Mac (still
getting info on that).

I’m moving overseas, where I probably won’t have access to funding for
technology, etc., as an international student. So I’m trying to work out
now whether to exclusively use NVDA or try and purchase a JAWS SMA while
I’m still living in New Zealand.

My question is: can you tell me about anything that springs to mind that
NVDA does particularly poorly that JAWS does well? In the domains of MS
Word, excel and web browsing, in particular.

I imagine JAWS is well-ahead of NVDA in OCRing by now, for instance, but
perhaps there’s enough free software around to do this efficiently now
that
that’s not a big deal any more … thoughts?

Thanks very much in advance,

Best wishes,

Áine


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Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

Luke Davis
 

On Tue, 21 May 2019, Marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Someone told me that it's possible to copy a text exactly as it's spoken (with headers, lists and such) using JAWS.
Is it possible to copy this way with NVDA as well?
Yes, if I understand what you're describing. Try the following:

1. Open a web page or whatever you want to copy text from.
2. Press NVDA+n, t, to open the tools menu.
3. Press s, to open the speech viewer.
4. Alt+tab back to your webpage, and read anything you want.
5. When you're done, press alt+tab to return to the speech viewer.
6. The speech viewer has a checkbox (ignore it), and a read-only edit field. You may have to tab or move down to get into the edit field. Get into it, and you can arrow through the text that was spoken since you opened the speech viewer.
7. If you want to just copy it all to notepad or whatever, press control+a, control+c, and alt+F4 to close the speech viewer. Then open notepad or whatever, and press control+v to paste the speech history into it.

Hope this helps.

Luke


Re: Selecting a block of text.

Luke Davis
 

Hi Ali

You wrote:

I tried restarting without addons and it didn't work. Could you tell
That is probably because you most likely have NVDA exit options turned off.

So, a way to restart without addons without having to change any of your settings, is to do this:

Press your windows key and the letter r.

In the window that appears, type the following:

nvda -r --disable-addons

Then press enter. Make sure you get the dashes in the right places.

That should restart nvda with all addons disabled temporarily (until you start it again).

Hth.

Luke


Re: Selecting a block of text.

 

i tested with nvaccess and it worked for me.
i dont remember exact book or exact web page that i can reproduce the
issue forever and introduce it to you.
but i remember, i observed this issue mainly in Islamic books which i
download from:
www.al-islam.org

On 5/22/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
With Zahra's example,

If you press H to jump to a heading, press NVDA+F9 to start marking, then
press H to jump to the next heading and NVDA+F10 twice to copy, it will
copy the first heading, and everything up to the second heading, plus the
first letter of the second heading. The extra character at the end is
because when selecting text in say Word, you select up to the character
past the last one you want - in a read only text field, you often cannot
move past the last character, so it selects that extra character.

I just tried that on a couple of pages in Firefox and it seemed to work.
Zahra, are there particular pages where it doesn't work, or if you try on
the NV Access page for instance, will it work one time, but not the next
(and does it give an error?)

Ali,

You can find the NVDA logs in the %temp% folder. Press WINDOWS+R, type
%temp% and press ENTER then look for either nvda.log (the log for the
current session of NVDA) or nvda-old.log (the log for the previous time
NVDA was run.

You can email me off-list at info@nvaccess.org (since you can't attach
files to a message to the list).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:07 AM Ali Colak <alish54@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Quentin,
I tried restarting without addons and it didn't work. Could you tell
me how to find and send the logs. That I think is the best solution.

Thanks a lot for your help.
Ali

On 5/21/19, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi quentin.
its the issue that i can confirm too!
i thought that maybe there is some problem in my windows, but now, i
am happy that someone confirmed my issue, and wished that you present
us a working solution.
i only tested with firefox and nvda selection sometimes works,
sometimes
not.
for example: i press f9 when i am in a particular heading.
then i press f10 for going to the next heading, i wish to select
entire content of previous heading, and its the reason that when i go
to next heading, press f10 to all content of previous heading to be
selected, that sometimes i observe the mentioned issue and sometimes
not!
i dont use addons, so, certainly its not related to addons.

On 5/22/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Ali,

Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current
behaviour
of selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the
block, move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the
block
or NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it. If you use the
review
cursor to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may
not
work depending on whether it is possible to select text with the
conventional text cursor. If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports
"Cannot select text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy
by
pressing NVDA+F10 twice quickly.

It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to
ensure
there are no add-ons playing up. Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to
"Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.

Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug
and
enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email
to
me, I can have a look at exactly what is going on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section.
I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for
a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.



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in order that
I may disobey God
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I would not do it.
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in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali