Date   

Re: Selecting a block of text.

Ali Colak
 

Fixing the system caret did it for me.
Thanks Chris and Quentin!

On 5/22/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Its on by default. If it wasn't on, you'd know it. Using screen review
commands like numpad 8 for read current navigator position wouldn't be where
you are when editing a document. You probably wouldn't even be in the same
window. It can be found in what I believe is still called review cursor
settings but I don't know how you get to that item in the new interface.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.


hi.
where is caret move cursor in preferences?
how can i know whether its activated for me or not?

On 5/22/19, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
Hi

I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA
+
6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if
it
is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the
clipboard.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin
Christensen
Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: NVDA Official Group
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.



Hi Ali,



Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour
of
selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the
block,
move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or
NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it. If you use the review
cursor
to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work
depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional
text cursor. If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select
text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing
NVDA+F10
twice quickly.



It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
there are no add-ons playing up. Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to
"Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.



Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to
me,
I can have a look at exactly what is going on.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.









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I would not do it.
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Re: windows 10 1903

Gerardo Corripio
 

Wow I sure on my HP Pavilion it read the volume percentages! Yu see with earbuds I use it at 65% or around, and with the regular Laptop speaker I use it at 30 or 40%. Before I got my computer Tech to modify the Bios in terms of the funtion keys, when my earbuds were plugged in, it’d autmatically switch to its preset volume, and when unplugged, it’d revert back to its volume. Now I need to change it manually depending on if I’ve earbuds, or using its speaker.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 22 may 2019, a la(s) 11:10 a. m., Matt Turner <meturner2214@...> escribió:

Hi folks.

Just installed it from the .iso file on my mac mini, and its working grate.

So when I'm using NVDA the latest version, every time I push the volume keys on my keyboard, I hear the percent of the volume changes.

For example, volume level 16, volume level 14.

This only seems to happen when I'm on the desktop with windows d.

is there anyway to turn that off, or maybe have it play a sound?




Re: braille edge

Fernando Apan
 

Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very good experience, however, the arrow keys doesn’t seem to work with NVDA as they do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this problem so far?
Fernando Apan

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...> escribió:

             

                             I love my braille edge with NVDA.                                         rent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer       
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

 

I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back because I was taking programming classes and it would not have helped me in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware that if you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to Bluetooth it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these capabilities on its own. Its  memory is based on the size of the SD card you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.

 

                                                                                                                                If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] braille edge

 

Hi all,

Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the Braille Edge from HIMS?  I’m considering purchasing one but would just love some personal feedback.  Does it work well specifically for editing documents?  Thanks so much.

Ashley

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 

 


windows 10 1903

Matt Turner
 

Hi folks.

Just installed it from the .iso file on my mac mini, and its working grate.

So when I'm using NVDA the latest version, every time I push the volume keys on my keyboard, I hear the percent of the volume changes.

For example, volume level 16, volume level 14.

This only seems to happen when I'm on the desktop with windows d.

is there anyway to turn that off, or maybe have it play a sound?


Issue with braille keyboard

bharath bathula
 

Hi

I have Freedom Scientific Focus 40 braille display what is the key combination to activate shift with NVDA screen reader.

Thanks & Regards
 Bharath


NVDA Tutorials Ordered

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA Folks,

I completed an online order for the basic eBooks for both NVDA and MS
Word, and thank Ed, Quentin, and Bianka for their responses to my
previous posts concerning tutorials. The bundle was more than what is
wanted. Thanks!
Kindest Regards,
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...


Re: NVDA tutorials for MSWord and Track Changes CT

Ed Marquette
 

Track changes are not hard to use. Just practice. Here are some helpful (at least for me) ways to remember the track changes commands.
Turing on and off track changes is something you know how to do.
Word’s status line will tell you if it is on or not. At least mine does.
If you just want to “hop” to the next revision, use Alt_R_H, pressed, not together, but in a series.
If you want to “accept” a change, press alt_R_A. That brings up a list of choices, including the specific occurrence, all changes in the document, and so on. If you want to “junk” the change, press Alt_R_J. Again, you will get a list of choices.
Also, at any change, a right mouse click (or shift + F10 or the Applications Key)” will give you a handy list of commands.
I’m a lawyer, and I use track changes nearly every day.
Good luck!

On May 22, 2019, at 4:13 AM, David Russell <david.sonofhashem@...> wrote:

Hello NVDA Folks,

Thanks for suggesting what to do in the realm of tutorials to better
use NVDA with MSWord and Track Changes. I'll address this later in my
day.
Also, thanks Quenton for clarifying which tutorial set to consider.

Question: I have a file card with some basic Track Changes Commands
found in a post thread from WEBAIM, telling one how to turn on and off
track changes,how to read specific track changes, the dialogue for
settings and a couple more. These are Word based keyboard commands
generally speaking. Would it be enough to view a free sample edit from
a proofreading service, or is there a considerable amount of
instruction that goes into learning how to use Track Changes?

I am a novice at tech things, and my questions probably make that
quite obvious. Nonetheless, thanks for your kind help!

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...



query about review curser

Meet modi
 

Hello group member i have query regarding review curser and its appropreate topic i won't to learn about that can any one explane?


Re: braille edge

Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
 

             

                             I love my braille edge with NVDA.                                         rent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer       
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

 

I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back because I was taking programming classes and it would not have helped me in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware that if you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to Bluetooth it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these capabilities on its own. Its  memory is based on the size of the SD card you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.

 

                                                                                                                                If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] braille edge

 

Hi all,

Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the Braille Edge from HIMS?  I’m considering purchasing one but would just love some personal feedback.  Does it work well specifically for editing documents?  Thanks so much.

Ashley

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 

 


locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Angelo Sonnesso
 

I have never had these problems with Jaws, and I have found NVDA equally
reliable.
Each screen has better access in some cases, and so I frequently switch back
and forth.
Narrator is getting there, but is not quite ready for productivity.


73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; Aine Kelly Costello
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

Greetings,

On May 21, 2019 9:04:07 PM "Aine Kelly Costello" <ainekc@...> wrote:

Hi all,

New here and my apologies if this topic has been well-covered before but I've
not found an efficient ways to search group archives yet!

This topic gets bogged down in politics anyway and it's a personal favourite
of mine.

I'm switching back to Windows after using a Mac for a couple of years, as I'll
be studying investigative journalism and am fairly sure I'll find any software
we need to use etc. to work better on Windows than Mac (still getting info on
that).

I think that's a gross generalization. If I could use mac for everything, I
would. Windows is OK for the asics, especially if you have a good means of
flashing back to a known good configuration, but I don't like it for the high
performance applications I need.


My question is: can you tell me about anything that springs to mind that NVDA
does particularly poorly that JAWS does well? In the domains of MS Word, excel
and web browsing, in particular.

Interesting turn of phrase. I'm biassed but in my experience the reverse is
true. I just started a training for a customer using jaws that wanted to
learn flipp. I didn't think it would be an issue, since I had just used flipp
in chrome with nvda very well. With jaws, it was just really clunky and
gross. The customer got so frustrated. I tried chrome and edge with flipp
and with other more basic sites and wasn't really pleased with any of it.
Speaking of webpage summaries was very random. Some webpages loaded on screen
but not in virtual buffer. It was discouraging.

I did have to turn a formula bar setting off in NVDA so that I could use
inline editing for cells in excel spreadsheets last term. I forget where the
setting is now, but could find it if needed. Other than that, I haven't had
any problems in word or excel using nvda. I've done some complex reports with
tables of content, heading structures, and bibliographies and have never had
trouble getting formatting information and finding the options I need.

On the other hand, I went out to do a training for a college student using
jaws for an excel course, and it was brootal. He had some intermitant focus
issue where he couldn't navigate cells. Then he would restart the computer
and things would work for a bit. Then it would poop out on him.
In the spring I went out to do a jaws training and the customer had his
authorization fail. List indexes aren't being reported properly. The mail
app that comes with windows 10 is doing screwie things, and jaws loses focus
in html content such as webpages and emails.

OK, these are small sample sizes, but it seems to me as though jaws screws up
all the time nowadays. I figure, if something goes wrong with NVDA:
*Odds are good it'll be fixed in months rather than years.
*I haven't paid anything out of pocket.
*There's a strong support community and excellent documentation.

Honestly, I don't see what you would get out of jaws that you wouldn't get
from either nvda or voiceover.

I imagine JAWS is well-ahead of NVDA in OCRing by now, for instance, but
perhaps there's enough free software around to do this efficiently now that
that's not a big deal any more . thoughts?

OCR is a nonstarter. Everything does it now. Just pull out your phone and
get'er done. Realisticly, almost all daily computing such as email, web,
simple word processing and document reading can and probably should be done on
mobile anyway. I have 4 email accounts on my phone, and only one on each of
my development machines, and I'm writing this email from my phone where I'm
sitting comfortably on a bus with a work table in front of me.Thanks very much
in advance,

Best wishes,

ine


locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Greetings,

On May 21, 2019 9:04:07 PM "Aine Kelly Costello" <ainekc@...> wrote:

Hi all,

New here and my apologies if this topic has been well-covered before but I’ve not found an efficient ways to search group archives yet!

This topic gets bogged down in politics anyway and it's a personal favourite of mine.

I’m switching back to Windows after using a Mac for a couple of years, as I’ll be studying investigative journalism and am fairly sure I’ll find any software we need to use etc. to work better on Windows than Mac (still getting info on that).

I think that's a gross generalization. If I could use mac for everything, I would. Windows is OK for the asics, especially if you have a good means of flashing back to a known good configuration, but I don't like it for the high performance applications I need.


My question is: can you tell me about anything that springs to mind that NVDA does particularly poorly that JAWS does well? In the domains of MS Word, excel and web browsing, in particular.

Interesting turn of phrase. I'm biassed but in my experience the reverse is true. I just started a training for a customer using jaws that wanted to learn flipp. I didn't think it would be an issue, since I had just used flipp in chrome with nvda very well. With jaws, it was just really clunky and gross. The customer got so frustrated. I tried chrome and edge with flipp and with other more basic sites and wasn't really pleased with any of it. Speaking of webpage summaries was very random. Some webpages loaded on screen but not in virtual buffer. It was discouraging.

I did have to turn a formula bar setting off in NVDA so that I could use inline editing for cells in excel spreadsheets last term. I forget where the setting is now, but could find it if needed. Other than that, I haven't had any problems in word or excel using nvda. I've done some complex reports with tables of content, heading structures, and bibliographies and have never had trouble getting formatting information and finding the options I need.

On the other hand, I went out to do a training for a college student using jaws for an excel course, and it was brootal. He had some intermitant focus issue where he couldn't navigate cells. Then he would restart the computer and things would work for a bit. Then it would poop out on him. In the spring I went out to do a jaws training and the customer had his authorization fail. List indexes aren't being reported properly. The mail app that comes with windows 10 is doing screwie things, and jaws loses focus in html content such as webpages and emails.

OK, these are small sample sizes, but it seems to me as though jaws screws up all the time nowadays. I figure, if something goes wrong with NVDA:
*Odds are good it'll be fixed in months rather than years.
*I haven't paid anything out of pocket.
*There's a strong support community and excellent documentation.

Honestly, I don't see what you would get out of jaws that you wouldn't get from either nvda or voiceover.

I imagine JAWS is well-ahead of NVDA in OCRing by now, for instance, but perhaps there’s enough free software around to do this efficiently now that that’s not a big deal any more … thoughts?

OCR is a nonstarter. Everything does it now. Just pull out your phone and get'er done. Realisticly, almost all daily computing such as email, web, simple word processing and document reading can and probably should be done on mobile anyway. I have 4 email accounts on my phone, and only one on each of my development machines, and I'm writing this email from my phone where I'm sitting comfortably on a bus with a work table in front of me.Thanks very much in advance,

Best wishes,

Áine


Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

 

Ed,
The bigger trick, then, is not to carry the formatting with you in the paste. Control + v will carry the source document's formatting with it.
A little-known trick is to paste into Word or Outlook using, not control + v, but instead, control + alt + v. That brings up a menu allowing one to retain the formatting, paste as html, or as plain text.
It almost worked for me.
I was able to see the window where I should choose how I wanted to paste the text, but then the only option there was text plain. What makes me think that the problem is indeed with the way NVDA copies it.

Anyway, thanks :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

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Re: Selecting a block of text.

Gene
 

Its on by default.  If it wasn't on, you'd know it.  Using screen review commands like numpad 8 for read current navigator position wouldn't be where you are when editing a document.  You probably wouldn't even be in the same window.  It can be found in what I believe is still called review cursor settings but I don't know how you get to that item in the new interface.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 4:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.

hi.
where is caret move cursor in preferences?
how can i know whether its activated for me or not?

On 5/22/19, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA +
> 6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if it
> is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the clipboard.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
> Christensen
> Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: NVDA Official Group
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.
>
>
>
> Hi Ali,
>
>
>
> Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour of
> selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the block,
> move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or
> NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it.  If you use the review cursor
> to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work
> depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional
> text cursor.  If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select
> text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing NVDA+F10
> twice quickly.
>
>
>
> It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
> there are no add-ons playing up.  Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart
> with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.
>
>
>
> Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
> NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
> enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to me,
> I can have a look at exactly what is going on.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Quentin.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
> of text function on nvda.
> When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
> the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
> press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
> selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
> have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
> with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
> while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
> installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
> something similar seems to happen.
>
>
> help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
>
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
>
>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
>
> Facebook:  <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
> http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: Selecting a block of text.

Gene
 

Which makes perfect sense since you are copying from the position of the object navigator.  People may wish to use this procedure in other contexts, but it is intended to be used at times when there is no application cursor and where, for that reason, control c and control v won't work. I also suspect it may matter whether you are in screen review mode or in object navigation mode.  I suspect you should be in object navigation mode.  if so, this is another example of why NVDA should revert to object navigation mode automatically when you leave the window you are using screen review in.  How many such examples need to be seen before this is really seriously considered?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.

Hi

I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA + 6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if it is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the clipboard.

 

Cheers

Chris   

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: NVDA Official Group
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.

 

Hi Ali,

 

Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour of selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the block, move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it.  If you use the review cursor to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional text cursor.  If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing NVDA+F10 twice quickly.

 

It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure there are no add-ons playing up.  Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.

 

Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to me, I can have a look at exactly what is going on.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello Aine, hello list,

 

I am not able to give you an objective view here, just my experiences.

 

Coming from a Mac/Unix environment myself I would say NVDA does a good job with standard office applications. Of course, if you want to play it safe and you have the financial possibilities, update your Jaws to the newest version before starting your studies. After all, you never know if you will encounter a software that doesn’t work with NvDA and works with Jaws. Personally, I subscribe to the view that it’s always good to have more than one screen reader installed just in case something is not as accessible as you would like it.

 

As to your original question though, if you are pretty sure that you will be using standard software and you are considering if you really need Jaws to survive in the computer age, my personal answer is no.

 

Hope that helps …

 

Thanks and kind regards,

 

Bianka

  


locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Gene
 

What do yu mean by everything?  If you really mean "everything," That is incorrect.  NVDA is good enough that what it does doesn't need to be exaggerated.  That disappoints people and harms credibility.  I'll leave it to others to site other thingsit doesn't do since I don't use programs like Word, where I don't know if its support is yet as inclusive.  It has improved enormously, from what I've read on the list compared to a few years ago.  So lets consider a few things I know:
You can't label graphics.  You can't define frames and assign actions to them.  You don't have a screen echo that can be set by the user to echo none, some, or all.  Many users know that NVDA can echo information automatically that is placed on the screen in the DOS prompt.  If you set screen echo in JAWS to all, JAWS echos new information automatically in general, which is very useful at times.  And it can be skipped forward and back in with the JAWS repeat and skip lines, performed with the shift keys, while screen echo content is spoken.  That can, at times, make working with a program you haven't defined frames for and where you want to hear material automatically echoed far more efficient under certain circumstances. 
 
And the one more thing I know of and can think of now, NVDA doesn't allow you to set whether description is read before or after the text of something is spoken.  Thus, the user can't choose to have text of a link spoken either before or after visited link is spoken.  You can't determine whether button is spoken before or after the text of the button is read, etc.  I don't think JAWS allows you to individually set these things, but you can determine the general pattern.
 
NVDA does some things better than JAWS.  Since I haven't used JAWS in years, I won't discuss them, because I am not familiar with such instances as they may exist today. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 8:28 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

Hi Áine,

I would argue that NVDA can do everything our competitors can do, including OCR (on Windows 10, press NVDA+r then use the regular reading keys), however, I'll leave it to others to argue the pros and cons.

One thing I would suggest, in order to become most efficient with using NVDA, you might consider purchasing our training material.  Basic Training with NVDA is the first module I would recommend.  Despite the name, it actually covers everything from reading the time, up through complex tasks like using the review cursor, object navigation and creating configuration profiles.  We also have modules on using Word, Excel and Outlook with NVDA.  You can purchase these individually, or in our NVDA Productivity Bundle which also includes telephone support.

All of those are available from the NV Access shop: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:03 AM Aine Kelly Costello <ainekc@...> wrote:
Hi all,

New here and my apologies if this topic has been well-covered before but I’ve not found an efficient ways to search group archives yet!

I’m switching back to Windows after using a Mac for a couple of years, as I’ll be studying investigative journalism and am fairly sure I’ll find any software we need to use etc. to work better on Windows than Mac (still getting info on that).

I’m moving overseas, where I probably won’t have access to funding for technology, etc., as an international student. So I’m trying to work out now whether to exclusively use NVDA or try and purchase a JAWS SMA while I’m still living in New Zealand.

My question is: can you tell me about anything that springs to mind that NVDA does particularly poorly that JAWS does well? In the domains of MS Word, excel and web browsing, in particular.

I imagine JAWS is well-ahead of NVDA in OCRing by now, for instance, but perhaps there’s enough free software around to do this efficiently now that that’s not a big deal any more … thoughts?

Thanks very much in advance,

Best wishes,

Áine




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Re: Selecting a block of text.

Gene
 

Use control c and control v in browsers.  The commands you are using are intended for times when there is no cursor or virtual cursor.  Browse mode uses a virtual cursor.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ali Colak
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 6:44 PM
Subject: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.



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Re: Selecting a block of text.

 

thanks quentin for your great advice.
do you mean this option?
Follow System Caret
if so, this preference is always enabled for me, but unfortunately
sometimes nvda selection does not work for me, but most of times
works!
and as i promised, i use 2017.2 forever, not 2017.3
quentin,
thanks again for your great support, i always say with sincerity and
honesty that i dont forget you in my praying.

On 5/22/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Chris,

Great work! I had tested NVDA+7, but then had neglected to test NVDA+6,
oops!

Zahra, you can either press NVDA+6 and it should toggle the setting,
otherwise it is in NVDA's "Review Cursor" settings. For you (using NVDA
2017.3 from memory?) press NVDA+n, then p for preferences then down arrow
to "Review cursor settings" and press ENTER. For those using newer
versions of NVDA, you can press NVDA+control+g to open the general
settings, then CONTROL+TAB down from there.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:53 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
where is caret move cursor in preferences?
how can i know whether its activated for me or not?

On 5/22/19, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
Hi

I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor”
(NVDA +
6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if
it
is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the
clipboard.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin
Christensen
Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: NVDA Official Group
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.



Hi Ali,



Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current
behaviour of
selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the
block,
move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or
NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it. If you use the review
cursor
to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not
work
depending on whether it is possible to select text with the
conventional
text cursor. If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot
select
text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing
NVDA+F10
twice quickly.



It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
there are no add-ons playing up. Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to
"Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.



Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug
and
enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email
to
me,
I can have a look at exactly what is going on.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.









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Re: Selecting a block of text.

Quentin Christensen
 

Chris,

Great work!  I had tested NVDA+7, but then had neglected to test NVDA+6, oops!

Zahra, you can either press NVDA+6 and it should toggle the setting, otherwise it is in NVDA's "Review Cursor" settings.  For you (using NVDA 2017.3 from memory?) press NVDA+n, then p for preferences then down arrow to "Review cursor settings" and press ENTER.  For those using newer versions of NVDA, you can press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings, then CONTROL+TAB down from there.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 7:53 PM zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
where is caret move cursor in preferences?
how can i know whether its activated for me or not?

On 5/22/19, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA +
> 6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if it
> is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the clipboard.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
> Christensen
> Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Cc: NVDA Official Group
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.
>
>
>
> Hi Ali,
>
>
>
> Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour of
> selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the block,
> move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or
> NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it.  If you use the review cursor
> to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work
> depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional
> text cursor.  If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select
> text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing NVDA+F10
> twice quickly.
>
>
>
> It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
> there are no add-ons playing up.  Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to "Restart
> with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.
>
>
>
> Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
> NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
> enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to me,
> I can have a look at exactly what is going on.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
>
>
> Quentin.
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
> For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
> of text function on nvda.
> When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
> the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
> press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
> selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
> have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
> with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
> while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
> installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
> something similar seems to happen.
>
>
> help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
>
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
>
>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
>
> Facebook:  <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
> http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess