Date   

Re: braille edge

 

The text appears after the blank line.
Mostly the blank line is at the top of the braille page, but sometimes
it happens in the middle as well.

On 5/22/19, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@comcast.net> wrote:
Is the rest of the text appearing after that? Or is the blank line appearing
instead of the text that should be there?


If all I have left in this world is God, I have
everything!


                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I am a literary braille proofreader and use Braille Edge for my work.
The main drawback I encountered so far is that occasionally it shows
an empty line where it's not supposed to be.
I have already let the HIMS no about this and hopefully it will be fixed
soon.
It can also be used as a standalone notetaker, but limitted to text
and brf files.
Nevzat


On 5/22/19, Fernando Apan <ferapan@utexas.edu> wrote:
Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very good
experience, however, the arrow keys doesn’t seem to work with NVDA as
they
do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this
problem so far?
Fernando Apan

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@gmail.com>
escribió:


I love my braille edge with NVDA.
rent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last
braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back
because I was taking programming classes and it would not have helped me
in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The
BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware that
if
you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to
Bluetooth
it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these
capabilities on its own. Its memory is based on the size of the SD card
you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.


If all I have left
in
this world is God, I have everything!




Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] braille edge

Hi all,
Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the Braille
Edge
from HIMS? I’m considering purchasing one but would just love some
personal feedback. Does it work well specifically for editing
documents?
Thanks so much.
Ashley


Sent from Mail for Windows 10



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--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: nevzatadil@gmail.com
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader







--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: nevzatadil@gmail.com
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader


MS office DAISY training module

 

What plans does NV Access have to make audio versions of the other help
documents in the NVDA store? Such as the Office training books? I've
really loved the getting started DAISY audio package. I'm just wondering
if NV Access has plans to make audio versions of the other books?


Re: braille edge

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Is the rest of the text appearing after that? Or is the blank line appearing instead of the text that should be there?

 

                                                                                                                                If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 1:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

 

I am a literary braille proofreader and use Braille Edge for my work.

The main drawback I encountered so far is that occasionally it shows

an empty line where it's not supposed to be.

I have already let the HIMS no about this and hopefully it will be fixed soon.

It can also be used as a standalone notetaker, but limitted to text

and brf files.

Nevzat

 

 

On 5/22/19, Fernando Apan <ferapan@...> wrote:

> Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very good

> experience, however, the arrow keys doesn’t seem to work with NVDA as they

> do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this

> problem so far?

> Fernando Apan

> Enviado desde mi iPhone

>> El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>

>> escribió:

>> 

>> 

>>                              I love my braille edge with NVDA.

>>                             rent from Mail for Windows 10

>> 

>> From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer

>> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

>> 

>> I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last

>> braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back

>> because I was taking programming classes and it would not have helped me

>> in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The

>> BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware that if

>> you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to Bluetooth

>> it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these

>> capabilities on its own. Its  memory is based on the size of the SD card

>> you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.

>> 

>> 

>>                                                      If all I have left in

>> this world is God, I have everything!

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>> 

>> From: Ashley Wayne

>> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM

>> To: Nvda

>> Subject: [nvda] braille edge

>> 

>> Hi all,

>> Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the Braille Edge

>> from HIMS?  I’m considering purchasing one but would just love some

>> personal feedback.  Does it work well specifically for editing documents?

>> Thanks so much.

>> Ashley

>> 

>> 

>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Virus-free. www.avg.com

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

--

Nevzat Adil

Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader

C: 512 502 4403

e-mail: nevzatadil@...

Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader

 

 

 


NVDA and Jarte

David Russell
 

Hi NVDA Folks,

I noticed an email thread from 2016 by Quentin and someone named Ali
discussing formatting changes between NVDA and Jarte. Ali's response
left me choosing to try and make the best of Jarte before scrapping it
altogether for MS Word.

Is there a way to get NVDA to announce next page when reading through
a document in Jarte?

Also, can one cause line spacing changes the same way as in MS Word?
I believe it's control plus 1, control plus 2, or control plus 5.

Thanks again!
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: braille edge

 

I am a literary braille proofreader and use Braille Edge for my work.
The main drawback I encountered so far is that occasionally it shows
an empty line where it's not supposed to be.
I have already let the HIMS no about this and hopefully it will be fixed soon.
It can also be used as a standalone notetaker, but limitted to text
and brf files.
Nevzat

On 5/22/19, Fernando Apan <ferapan@utexas.edu> wrote:
Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very good
experience, however, the arrow keys doesn’t seem to work with NVDA as they
do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this
problem so far?
Fernando Apan

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@gmail.com>
escribió:


I love my braille edge with NVDA.
rent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last
braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back
because I was taking programming classes and it would not have helped me
in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The
BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware that if
you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to Bluetooth
it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these
capabilities on its own. Its memory is based on the size of the SD card
you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.


If all I have left in
this world is God, I have everything!




Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] braille edge

Hi all,
Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the Braille Edge
from HIMS? I’m considering purchasing one but would just love some
personal feedback. Does it work well specifically for editing documents?
Thanks so much.
Ashley


Sent from Mail for Windows 10



Virus-free. www.avg.com




--
Nevzat Adil
Library of Congress Certified Braille Proofreader
C: 512 502 4403
e-mail: nevzatadil@gmail.com
Facebook: m.facebook.com/LiteraryBrailleProofreader


Re: Remote add-on not present

Jacob
 

Try latest version 2.2:
https://nvdaremote.com/remote-2.2.nvda-addon

OZ0TE Jacob

On 2019-05-22 at 20:37 Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Hi,
A friend is running the latest NVDA on windows 7 64.
He added the remote add-in, 2.1 and it does not show up in tools.
I have the same setup and it is there in mine.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
 


Remote add-on not present

Glenn / Lenny
 

Hi,
A friend is running the latest NVDA on windows 7 64.
He added the remote add-in, 2.1 and it does not show up in tools.
I have the same setup and it is there in mine.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
 


Re: NVDA and Skype

Morne van der Merwe
 

Thanks for the useful replies, especially to Adriani, hurrikennyandopo and Pascal. 

 

Regards

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pascal Lambert
Sent: Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype

 

Thanks Adriani,

This is useful.

Blessings

Pascal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Skype

 

Hello,

 

NVDA is very accessible with Skype both the universtal app from Windows store and also with the desktop app. In the desktop app you can also use the browse mode in Skype and you can browse the window like a website in your browser.

 

If you are a keyboard shortcut lover, here are the shortcuts for skype 8:

https://winaero.com/blog/keyboard-shortcuts-skype-version-8-0/

 

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Morne van der Merwe
Gesendet: Dienstag, 21. Mai 2019 21:25
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] NVDA and Skype

 

Hello list,

 

I am using the latest versions of NVDA and Windows 10.

 

I would like to start using Skype again.  However, I find that Skype is not very accessible nowadays.  That is my opinion anyway.  How well does NVDA work with Skype?  If not, is there a substitute of Skype or a more accessible version which I am not familiar with?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Regards

 

Morné


Re: Selecting a block of text.

Ali Colak
 

Fixing the system caret did it for me.
Thanks Chris and Quentin!

On 5/22/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Its on by default. If it wasn't on, you'd know it. Using screen review
commands like numpad 8 for read current navigator position wouldn't be where
you are when editing a document. You probably wouldn't even be in the same
window. It can be found in what I believe is still called review cursor
settings but I don't know how you get to that item in the new interface.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.


hi.
where is caret move cursor in preferences?
how can i know whether its activated for me or not?

On 5/22/19, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi

I have done some testing and if you set “Caret moves review cursor” (NVDA
+
6 on number row), to ON, the copy using review cursor feature works, if
it
is set to off, it just copies the last character selected to the
clipboard.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Quentin
Christensen
Sent: 22 May 2019 01:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: NVDA Official Group
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting a block of text.



Hi Ali,



Firstly, just to confirm that you are familiar with the current behaviour
of
selecting with the review cursor - NVDA+F9 to mark the start of the
block,
move to the end of the block and NVDA+F10 once to select the block or
NVDA+F10 twice quickly to select and copy it. If you use the review
cursor
to select and then press control+c to copy for instance, it may not work
depending on whether it is possible to select text with the conventional
text cursor. If you press NVDA+f10 once and NVDA reports "Cannot select
text, press twice to copy", then you will need to copy by pressing
NVDA+F10
twice quickly.



It might be worth restarting NVDA with add-ons disabled, just to ensure
there are no add-ons playing up. Press NVDA+Q then down arrow to
"Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER to restart, then try again.



Otherwise, if you set the log to debug (in the general settings with
NVDA+control+g then tab to the log level, down arrow to select debug and
enter to close), repeat the actions and then copy the log to an email to
me,
I can have a look at exactly what is going on.



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 9:45 AM Ali Colak <alish54@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello everyone,
For a while now, I have been having problems with the select a block
of text function on nvda.
When I place the start marker by pressing nvda f9 everything is fine,
the start marker is announced. When I go to the end of the block to
press nvda f10, the curser winds back to the beginning and only
selects and places in the clipboard the first letter of the section. I
have tried this on various browsers and the same result each time and
with different types of content. I have been having this problem for a
while now and am currently using 2019.1.1. I was hoping that
installing the clip contents designer would solve the problem, but
something similar seems to happen.


help would be appreciated.









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Training and Support Manager



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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali






Re: windows 10 1903

Gerardo Corripio
 

Wow I sure on my HP Pavilion it read the volume percentages! Yu see with earbuds I use it at 65% or around, and with the regular Laptop speaker I use it at 30 or 40%. Before I got my computer Tech to modify the Bios in terms of the funtion keys, when my earbuds were plugged in, it’d autmatically switch to its preset volume, and when unplugged, it’d revert back to its volume. Now I need to change it manually depending on if I’ve earbuds, or using its speaker.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 22 may 2019, a la(s) 11:10 a. m., Matt Turner <meturner2214@gmail.com> escribió:

Hi folks.

Just installed it from the .iso file on my mac mini, and its working grate.

So when I'm using NVDA the latest version, every time I push the volume keys on my keyboard, I hear the percent of the volume changes.

For example, volume level 16, volume level 14.

This only seems to happen when I'm on the desktop with windows d.

is there anyway to turn that off, or maybe have it play a sound?




Re: braille edge

Fernando Apan
 

Hello. For me, working with my braille edge and NVDA has been a very good experience, however, the arrow keys doesn’t seem to work with NVDA as they do in other screen readers. Does anybody know if they have fixed this problem so far?
Fernando Apan

Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 22 may 2019, a las 8:39, Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...> escribió:

             

                             I love my braille edge with NVDA.                                         rent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer       
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

 

I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back because I was taking programming classes and it would not have helped me in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware that if you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to Bluetooth it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these capabilities on its own. Its  memory is based on the size of the SD card you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.

 

                                                                                                                                If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] braille edge

 

Hi all,

Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the Braille Edge from HIMS?  I’m considering purchasing one but would just love some personal feedback.  Does it work well specifically for editing documents?  Thanks so much.

Ashley

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 

 


windows 10 1903

Matt Turner
 

Hi folks.

Just installed it from the .iso file on my mac mini, and its working grate.

So when I'm using NVDA the latest version, every time I push the volume keys on my keyboard, I hear the percent of the volume changes.

For example, volume level 16, volume level 14.

This only seems to happen when I'm on the desktop with windows d.

is there anyway to turn that off, or maybe have it play a sound?


Issue with braille keyboard

bharath bathula
 

Hi

I have Freedom Scientific Focus 40 braille display what is the key combination to activate shift with NVDA screen reader.

Thanks & Regards
 Bharath


NVDA Tutorials Ordered

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA Folks,

I completed an online order for the basic eBooks for both NVDA and MS
Word, and thank Ed, Quentin, and Bianka for their responses to my
previous posts concerning tutorials. The bundle was more than what is
wanted. Thanks!
Kindest Regards,
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: NVDA tutorials for MSWord and Track Changes CT

Ed Marquette
 

Track changes are not hard to use. Just practice. Here are some helpful (at least for me) ways to remember the track changes commands.
Turing on and off track changes is something you know how to do.
Word’s status line will tell you if it is on or not. At least mine does.
If you just want to “hop” to the next revision, use Alt_R_H, pressed, not together, but in a series.
If you want to “accept” a change, press alt_R_A. That brings up a list of choices, including the specific occurrence, all changes in the document, and so on. If you want to “junk” the change, press Alt_R_J. Again, you will get a list of choices.
Also, at any change, a right mouse click (or shift + F10 or the Applications Key)” will give you a handy list of commands.
I’m a lawyer, and I use track changes nearly every day.
Good luck!

On May 22, 2019, at 4:13 AM, David Russell <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello NVDA Folks,

Thanks for suggesting what to do in the realm of tutorials to better
use NVDA with MSWord and Track Changes. I'll address this later in my
day.
Also, thanks Quenton for clarifying which tutorial set to consider.

Question: I have a file card with some basic Track Changes Commands
found in a post thread from WEBAIM, telling one how to turn on and off
track changes,how to read specific track changes, the dialogue for
settings and a couple more. These are Word based keyboard commands
generally speaking. Would it be enough to view a free sample edit from
a proofreading service, or is there a considerable amount of
instruction that goes into learning how to use Track Changes?

I am a novice at tech things, and my questions probably make that
quite obvious. Nonetheless, thanks for your kind help!

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com



query about review curser

Meet modi
 

Hello group member i have query regarding review curser and its appropreate topic i won't to learn about that can any one explane?


Re: braille edge

Cecelia Rodriguez <cessbraille@...>
 

             

                             I love my braille edge with NVDA.                                         rent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer       
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] braille edge

 

I have been using mine now for a year this month. Before this my last braille display was the Braille Light 40 back in 99. I gave it back because I was taking programming classes and it would not have helped me in that effort as far as being able to run the program I wrote. The BrailleEdge40 I am enjoying for both reading and writing. Be aware that if you are also wanting to go on-line then you will either have to Bluetooth it to your phone or connect it to your pc. It does not have these capabilities on its own. Its  memory is based on the size of the SD card you install. Let me know if I can help in any other way.

 

                                                                                                                                If all I have left in this world is God, I have everything!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2019 10:20 PM
To: Nvda
Subject: [nvda] braille edge

 

Hi all,

Could anyone tell me of their experiences using NVDA with the Braille Edge from HIMS?  I’m considering purchasing one but would just love some personal feedback.  Does it work well specifically for editing documents?  Thanks so much.

Ashley

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 

Virus-free. www.avg.com

 

 


locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

Angelo Sonnesso
 

I have never had these problems with Jaws, and I have found NVDA equally
reliable.
Each screen has better access in some cases, and so I frequently switch back
and forth.
Narrator is getting there, but is not quite ready for productivity.


73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik
burggraaf
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2019 8:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io; Aine Kelly Costello
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA versus JAWS

Greetings,

On May 21, 2019 9:04:07 PM "Aine Kelly Costello" <ainekc@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

New here and my apologies if this topic has been well-covered before but I've
not found an efficient ways to search group archives yet!

This topic gets bogged down in politics anyway and it's a personal favourite
of mine.

I'm switching back to Windows after using a Mac for a couple of years, as I'll
be studying investigative journalism and am fairly sure I'll find any software
we need to use etc. to work better on Windows than Mac (still getting info on
that).

I think that's a gross generalization. If I could use mac for everything, I
would. Windows is OK for the asics, especially if you have a good means of
flashing back to a known good configuration, but I don't like it for the high
performance applications I need.


My question is: can you tell me about anything that springs to mind that NVDA
does particularly poorly that JAWS does well? In the domains of MS Word, excel
and web browsing, in particular.

Interesting turn of phrase. I'm biassed but in my experience the reverse is
true. I just started a training for a customer using jaws that wanted to
learn flipp. I didn't think it would be an issue, since I had just used flipp
in chrome with nvda very well. With jaws, it was just really clunky and
gross. The customer got so frustrated. I tried chrome and edge with flipp
and with other more basic sites and wasn't really pleased with any of it.
Speaking of webpage summaries was very random. Some webpages loaded on screen
but not in virtual buffer. It was discouraging.

I did have to turn a formula bar setting off in NVDA so that I could use
inline editing for cells in excel spreadsheets last term. I forget where the
setting is now, but could find it if needed. Other than that, I haven't had
any problems in word or excel using nvda. I've done some complex reports with
tables of content, heading structures, and bibliographies and have never had
trouble getting formatting information and finding the options I need.

On the other hand, I went out to do a training for a college student using
jaws for an excel course, and it was brootal. He had some intermitant focus
issue where he couldn't navigate cells. Then he would restart the computer
and things would work for a bit. Then it would poop out on him.
In the spring I went out to do a jaws training and the customer had his
authorization fail. List indexes aren't being reported properly. The mail
app that comes with windows 10 is doing screwie things, and jaws loses focus
in html content such as webpages and emails.

OK, these are small sample sizes, but it seems to me as though jaws screws up
all the time nowadays. I figure, if something goes wrong with NVDA:
*Odds are good it'll be fixed in months rather than years.
*I haven't paid anything out of pocket.
*There's a strong support community and excellent documentation.

Honestly, I don't see what you would get out of jaws that you wouldn't get
from either nvda or voiceover.

I imagine JAWS is well-ahead of NVDA in OCRing by now, for instance, but
perhaps there's enough free software around to do this efficiently now that
that's not a big deal any more . thoughts?

OCR is a nonstarter. Everything does it now. Just pull out your phone and
get'er done. Realisticly, almost all daily computing such as email, web,
simple word processing and document reading can and probably should be done on
mobile anyway. I have 4 email accounts on my phone, and only one on each of
my development machines, and I'm writing this email from my phone where I'm
sitting comfortably on a bus with a work table in front of me.Thanks very much
in advance,

Best wishes,

ine


locked Re: NVDA versus JAWS

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Greetings,

On May 21, 2019 9:04:07 PM "Aine Kelly Costello" <ainekc@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

New here and my apologies if this topic has been well-covered before but I’ve not found an efficient ways to search group archives yet!

This topic gets bogged down in politics anyway and it's a personal favourite of mine.

I’m switching back to Windows after using a Mac for a couple of years, as I’ll be studying investigative journalism and am fairly sure I’ll find any software we need to use etc. to work better on Windows than Mac (still getting info on that).

I think that's a gross generalization. If I could use mac for everything, I would. Windows is OK for the asics, especially if you have a good means of flashing back to a known good configuration, but I don't like it for the high performance applications I need.


My question is: can you tell me about anything that springs to mind that NVDA does particularly poorly that JAWS does well? In the domains of MS Word, excel and web browsing, in particular.

Interesting turn of phrase. I'm biassed but in my experience the reverse is true. I just started a training for a customer using jaws that wanted to learn flipp. I didn't think it would be an issue, since I had just used flipp in chrome with nvda very well. With jaws, it was just really clunky and gross. The customer got so frustrated. I tried chrome and edge with flipp and with other more basic sites and wasn't really pleased with any of it. Speaking of webpage summaries was very random. Some webpages loaded on screen but not in virtual buffer. It was discouraging.

I did have to turn a formula bar setting off in NVDA so that I could use inline editing for cells in excel spreadsheets last term. I forget where the setting is now, but could find it if needed. Other than that, I haven't had any problems in word or excel using nvda. I've done some complex reports with tables of content, heading structures, and bibliographies and have never had trouble getting formatting information and finding the options I need.

On the other hand, I went out to do a training for a college student using jaws for an excel course, and it was brootal. He had some intermitant focus issue where he couldn't navigate cells. Then he would restart the computer and things would work for a bit. Then it would poop out on him. In the spring I went out to do a jaws training and the customer had his authorization fail. List indexes aren't being reported properly. The mail app that comes with windows 10 is doing screwie things, and jaws loses focus in html content such as webpages and emails.

OK, these are small sample sizes, but it seems to me as though jaws screws up all the time nowadays. I figure, if something goes wrong with NVDA:
*Odds are good it'll be fixed in months rather than years.
*I haven't paid anything out of pocket.
*There's a strong support community and excellent documentation.

Honestly, I don't see what you would get out of jaws that you wouldn't get from either nvda or voiceover.

I imagine JAWS is well-ahead of NVDA in OCRing by now, for instance, but perhaps there’s enough free software around to do this efficiently now that that’s not a big deal any more … thoughts?

OCR is a nonstarter. Everything does it now. Just pull out your phone and get'er done. Realisticly, almost all daily computing such as email, web, simple word processing and document reading can and probably should be done on mobile anyway. I have 4 email accounts on my phone, and only one on each of my development machines, and I'm writing this email from my phone where I'm sitting comfortably on a bus with a work table in front of me.Thanks very much in advance,

Best wishes,

Áine


Re: Copying Text in Original Format With NVDA

 

Ed,
The bigger trick, then, is not to carry the formatting with you in the paste. Control + v will carry the source document's formatting with it.
A little-known trick is to paste into Word or Outlook using, not control + v, but instead, control + alt + v. That brings up a menu allowing one to retain the formatting, paste as html, or as plain text.
It almost worked for me.
I was able to see the window where I should choose how I wanted to paste the text, but then the only option there was text plain. What makes me think that the problem is indeed with the way NVDA copies it.

Anyway, thanks :)

Cheers,
Marcio AKA Starboy

Sent from a galaxy far, far away.

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